47 Comments

• gershon

  What about comments made about Rabbi Schwey?!
  Let’s not be one sided. Especially THIS site that has been more against Rabbi Schwey. So you are right ENOUGH ALREDY with this one sidedness!

• yossi

  finally the emes is coming out . all the people in ch dont know the truth .as they say repeat the lie over and over then people will think thats the truth .thats what the people around rabbi schwei are doing . its not rabbi schwei its the gangsters around rabbi schwei .they are using rabbi schwei for themselves .for power and control. its a pity rabbi schwei and rabbi groner and rabbi mangel are being used .look at the pics. they plastered ch with rabbi groner and rabbi mangel.

• not brave like Mr. Haber

  I applaud Mr. Haber for having the guts to sign his name.

  My only comment is directed at your final statement. Sadly, the profound lack of Achdus between Rabbis Osdoba & Schwei have destroyed this community. They both need to resign at this point. Personally, I don’t think either should be Rabbonim & Chaverim of the Bais Din, but in a free society they have the right to run.

  But in the interests of ACHDUS, not KOVOD, they need to step down immediately. It doesn’t matter who is “worse.” What matters is we have a divided community full of hatred toward those who don’t agree with our views. The job of a Rav is to unite, not break.

  Time to go, gentlemen.

• G-d Bless you!

  MAZEL TOV!

  Many many Crownheightsers that I know (The very large silent majority) have felt exactly as you stated, but did not know how to put it in words.

  Thank G-d someone finally has the brains and the guts to tell it like it is!!!

  Yasher Koach Moshe!

• Information Gap

  You seem to have left an information gap in between where Rabbi Schwei was elected and when the fight began.
  You write “The bottom line is that Rabbi Schwei was elected to strengthen the BaDatz and instead he crippled it.”
  No details of actions taken by Rabbi Schwei or Osdoba yet you seems to place the blame on Rabbi Schwei’s lap.
  Even were you to say that it has to do with him, you clearly state that the above named people were stirring machloikes, so who is to say that the wouldn’t have found another candidate?
  MOSHIACH NOW!!!

• just me

  we need achdus now!!

• WHY DO WE LEARS HISTORY

  RABBI GRONER ONCE ASKED, WHY DO WE LEARN HISTORY? HISTORY TENDS TO REPEAT IT SELF. CHANINA SPERLIN WAS A MOSER UNDER RABBI OSDABA AND TODAY IS A MOSER UNDER SHWAI. HE HAD 4 PEOPLE ARRESTED FOR BREAKING A DISPLAY CASE. WHY? FOR KOVED H’RABONIM, AT THAT TIME IT WAS RABBI OSDABA. TODAY HE AND HIS GANG ARE AGAINTS OSDABA AND ARE CONTINUING TO MASER ON YIDDEN FOR KOVED H’RABONIM. HOW WAS THE RABONIM PRIVATE AFFAIRS MADE PUBLIC? SIMPLE, CHANINA WAS CAUGHT BUGGING THE REBBE ROOM. FORGOTT? YES, THIS SAME CHANINA SPERLIN WAS CAUGHT BUGGING OUR REBBE ROOM. SO MY FRIENDS, IT’S NOT ABOUT A ROV OR RABONIM, IT IS ABOUT THIS ONE GROUP OF AREV RAV, HATE MUNGERS THAT WILL USE ANY EXCUSE IN THE BOOK TO PUSH THERE OWN AGENDA OF HATE AND DESTRUCTION. THERE TAKTICKS ARE HARRASMENT, INTIMIDATION AND YES EVEN MESSIRA.

• Yes we can!

  The rectification of the Machlokes between the Rabanim is fundraising.
  If the Vaad understand, their #1 job is to fundraise funds for the Rabanim, then the machlokes of the Rabanim, that started many years ago would probably end.

  If the Vaad does NOT know how to fundraise, they could to hire a pro.

  A single Rov can only handle about 300 families, this community has the ability to support about 6 Rabanim to answer Shaalos.

  For the price of a pizza a month 300 families could support one Rov.
  With six working Rabanim More Tzedeck, there could be somebody to answer Shallos in subjects such as Taharas Mishpocha and Kitchen Kashrus, almost all day.

  The younger Rabanim could be trained in basic finance, shalom Bayis and chinuch coaching, this could actually, save real money and pain for the supporting families. This could be a real, win win relationship.

• Yes we can!

  Most peoples highest intentions are positive.
  Even when somebody does some thing bad, they have some positive intention, the problem is, that the act the person has chosen the express this positive intention, does not consider the bigger picture (it may hurt others etc).

  Practically if you continue to ask two disagreeing people, the purpose of their actions, they will eventually end up agreeing.

  Now days there are pro. negotiators that do this, it would be good if the Vaad members would use such people.

• Moshiach

  ENOUGH WITH THE POLITICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

• CH resident

  well said – if people would only listen and understand they will see the truth!! shvei is not even a rov when he was elected he went to rabbi hendels while he was sick in bed dying at 84 and got shimush for 1 hours!! you call that a rov? he needs to go back to his teaching job seems like he did a better job teaching!!

• BEN YEHUDAH

  IN CASE NOBODY KNEW THE ELCTIONS WERE FAKE, THEY MADE IT ALL SOUND LIKE IT WAS HIGH TECH MACHINES WHEN THEY WERE MISSING ONE PROBLEM – THEY HAD 3 LOCATIONS THAT WERE NOT CONNECTED SO THE SAME PERSON COULD VOTE 3 TIMES ( AS THEY SAY AT LEAST 100 PEOPLE DID) WHEN YOU VOTES THEY MARKED YOU OFF A PAPER INSTEAD OF A COMPUTER SO ONE LOCATIONHAS NO CLUE WHO VOTED IN ANOTHER LOCATION!!!! FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD

• disgusted

  Lastly, and most telling. How come we know so much about this situation between the Rabbonim? Aren’t these disagreements supposed to be kept behind closed doors? How did we come to know that Rabbi Schwei and Rabbi Osdoba disagree on things? Who was it that made that public knowledge? Who publicly contradicts the other and who publicly ridicules the other?

  rabbi haber, you want to know how we “know so much about the situation?” thank CH info for that! not only do we get it from the articles, but all the informative comments people leave. we learn all the chabad dirty laundry here. not to mention the pashkvilin that come to our doors…

• PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  you speak despicably of one who is greater than you. you are spreading lashon hara in an unforgivable way as this is open to the world. none of us have any right to speak so of any rav- and THIS is what turns off the children- if tattys dont rspect their elders, why should we? so all who blame our rabbanim for causing our children to go off need to take a good hard look at OURSELVES and hopefully soon realize it is OUR involvement and ENTHUSIASM with which we join machlokes, and put down others that TEACH our children to judge and decide which road they want to take AND WHO THEY BELEIVE IS RIGHT. LETS stop pointing fingers and show respect to each other. IF NOT FOR US – THEN FOR OUR CHILDREN, AND OUR FAMILY IN ERETZ YISROEL WHOS FATE IS DETERMINED BY THE WAY WE ACT TOWARDS ONE ANOTHER. WHAT ONE JEW DOES IN ONE PART OF THE WORLD IS A DIRECT CAUSE TO ANOTHER. PLEASE LETS EACH DO OUR PART IN AHAVAS YISROEL. OUR CHILDREN, AND THE YIDDEN IN ERETZ YISRAEL ARE SUFFERING ENOUGH!

• To: PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  Thank you!

• ban the option to leave comments

  i think the worst problem here is all slander written in these comments , loshon hara is not only a verbal but even worse when you write it (that shows you spent time thinking about it)

• Yet again!!!

  Another one-sided article…

• Achdus. Moshiach.

  To My Fellow Family,

  The Beis HaMikdash was destroyed due to sinas chinom. Hating another jew for NO REASON! Can’t we atliest try to be a little nicer to one another ESPECIALLY since we are so close to getting the Torah? We need to put our differences aside, and start loving each other BECAUSE WE ARE ONE BIG FAMILY.

  Why is it that when tragedy strikes a family from our shchunah, we start feelling sad and show that we really care because “chassidim zainen ein mishpocheh”? We need to feel it very deeply, and really understand that we really are ONE FAMILY. NOT JUST WHEN TRAGEDY STRIKES!

  Hashem’s biggest nachas is when He sees that we are in unity.

  May we be able to mekabel the Torah “Keish echod, belev echod” NO MATTER OUR DIFFERENCES.

  So I just want to end off, thank you for reading my post. I really love you, and care about your feellings.

  Hashem, can you bring us Moshiach NOW?

• stop using rebbe

  all of you screaming ahavas yisroel on haber and that he is saying loshon hara and so on, would you say the same thing if he wrote this about rabbi osdobo? or are youjust using torah rebbe chassidus for your own ego?

• Moshe shmuel taugentaft

  Mr haber, throwing sand in peoples eyes won’t help you distort the truth. Is is no secret that you were a ben bayis in Rabbi osdobas house and that you still have a tight connection to him. Halacha states that you are a meshuchad, i.e. a nogeah bedavar, an interested party favoring one side. You fail to mention this in your diatribe, because it would make it obvious that you cannot think or speak objectivly. I’ve seen you in action in the past,whereby you stubbornly refused to to a majority and resorted to physical attacks when you were trying to protect certain interest even in the face of the unanimous objection of all present.

  You know good and well who publicized the infighting between Rabbi Osdoba and Rabbi Schwei. You know good and well with whose tacit approval certain e-mails where publicized and you know good and well the sender and the recipient of the emails where and they were meant to remain private. Don’t point any fingers at innocent people and try to divert blame from the real and actual culprits in order to protect interests beneficial to you. By publicly stating names of people who are private citizens today and trying to shift the blame and the periphiral damage this fiasco has caused you are asid litain ess hadin.

  In you comment regarding rabbi Scwei’s stature as a Rav, you are obviously ignorant of or purposely chose to ignore the Rebbe’s sichos regarding the election of rabbanim in Crown heights. Without going into great detail, the rebbe stated that the strength of these rabbanim derives from their being ELECTED by the community. There is no Rav rashi in the community, any Rav elected to serve in the community has the same “toikef” validity as a Rav elected before or after l’dorai doirois. The quarters that you refer to as naming an individual rav as the senior Rav are your quarters and the senior Rav refered to is not Rabbi Scwei.

  You write about Rabbi Schwei hitting the ground running?Let’s call a spade a spade:When rabbi Scwei became Rav, thereby assuming the great responsibilty of physical and spiritual wellbeing of the community, he innocently asked the person in charge of the mikvah nashim for the key so as he might inspect it as any rav taking on such an achrayus would. He was categorically denied access with the reason being that Rabbi Osdoba refused the request. Talk about hitting the ground running, he was tackled in midair, before he fielded the handoff, which is a 10 yard penalty!!!!!

  Going public with the inner strife between the rabbanim has backfired against your faction. Again, as I stated above, publicizing private conversation and e-mails caused this to become public, and all sides agree that is was Rabbi Osdoba’s people that made this public.

  Eretz mai’eretz titzmach, be honest, don’t disguise your intentions as moral ones, you have a personal issue here, just stand up and admit it.

  V’ess vahaiv besufah, peace shall prevail at the and and eternally

• Postings

  Perhaps a new rule for posting should be that no one is allowed to post anything unless they sign their actual name.

• Rabbi Pinchos Woolstone

  Irrespective of which Kashrus authority of which one speaks, there needs to be a division of labor; the Halochic aspects need to be under the direction of the Rabbonim and the financial aspects need to be controlled by a professional accountant who reports to a lay committee.
  At the present juncture a outside forensic accountant should be brought in to assess all community finances and an official report be made avaiable for the coimmunity to read.This will help reestablish credibility in our institutions.
  When there is no tranparency there is distrust and cynicism.
  Crown Height deserves a well functioning Beis Din,Kashrus system and Vaad haKhal

• Eliezer

  Mr Haber

  Without going into the details to show facts who is right here and who the opposit that only will confuse more the dear residents of CH, that showed in the last Sundays elections that they are not interested in politics and they want to have democratic elections every 3 years as stipulated in the bylaws, I would like to tell you. The first thing you need to write a statement is objectivity. Same as Rabbi Osdoba cannot give a psak or call the parties to a din tora (where he is one of the dayonim)on the matter of this elections because he and his partners in the new bais din he formed are nogeim bedovor (conflict of interest and bias)or even more, plaintiffs themselves, the same way you cannot be objective to give an opinion or a statement because for many years you were a ben bais by Rabbi Osdoba. Your actions had shown in the past that, although you are an honest person, when it comes to Rabbi Osdoba you aren’t. For example being a memeber of the executive comitttee of the netzigim running the elections for JCC/Vaad you wrote and gave out a letter just before the day of the elections agaisnt one of the running candidates, signed as an officer of the Executive Comittee of the Netzigim. This was a dishonest move out of loyalty and desperation. It’s Ok we understand your feelings it’s a human reaction but the readers can’t relay on you for the simple reason that you are bias.

• Yossef

  “they plastered ch with rabbi groner and rabbi mangel”

  sorry but I didnt even see one picture of them in all CH.

  why you exagerating or simply saying poshut sheker?

• Tzvi

  Moshe Haber

  You write “The bottom line is that Rabbi Schwei was elected to strengthen the BaDatz and instead he crippled it. Some would say that this fact nullifies his election retroactively.”

  First I suggest you to ask mechile from Rabbi Schwei I think you are pl;aying with fier.

  Please don’t get into the issue on who is a Rov because especially in the late event that ocurred in Rabbi Osdobas personal life they are very strong and severe issues on Rabbi Osdoba himself.

  Please be smart and objective when you write or say something.

• DrumIntellect

  What this article wants us to accept:
  1. Rabbi Osdoba is not bad. Language that is thrown around about his actions and motives are corrupted from far more innocuous disagreements with what he was doing.
  2. Rabbi Schwei is not bad. The increase in tension since his candidacy for the Beis Din is orchestrated by people behind the scenes.
  3. It would be unwise for Rabbi Osdoba to resign. If he were to resign, kashrus would return to the Va’ad HaKohol’s domain – either through a direct acquisition or through the Rabbi Schwei.
  4. While the article doesn’t imply anywhere that Rabbi Schwei not resign, I understood from the tone that the writer of this article believes that the two Rabbis can work together if they can talk privately and have space to trust each other.
  The following is said with complete sincerity and without any disrespect… There are trained professionals that help people learn to talk and trust one another. Perhaps we as a community should offer our two esteemed Rabbis to go one together? It might just be our ticket out of this lack-of-communication tailspin.

• Moshe Haber

  Moshe Shmuel taugentaft? Is that your real name?? Where do you live? You’re not in the Tzach list, at least the one I have. The only thing you are right about is the fact that I lived in R’Osdoba’s basement when I was a bochur. That’s fact. everything else you write is speculation and assumption, things that you can’t possibly know.

• Moshe Haber

  I don’t intend to respond to all accusatory comments, I will make this the second and last. The fact that I put out a letter against Sperlin b/4 the last election was b/c of comments he made directly to me. When you declare war against a rav openly and unashamedly, you lose any claim to deserve objectivity. At that time, I knowingly signed with my “title” so that just maybe people would realize that I have a little more knowledges of the situation than the average person in the street. Too bad you can’t understand that.The fact that I weas involved in the running of that election and he still got in tells you something too.

• CH resident

  THIS POST APPEARED IN CROWNHEIGHTS.INFO A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK AND I FEEL IT HAS BEARING ON TODAYS SITUATION.
  NEW RABBONIM ISSUE wrote:
  Dear fellow toshvei hashchunah,

  it pains me to have to write this letter but as everyone one will surely agree that in order to resurrect the rabbanus in crown heights, the truth must be told and then we might stand a slight chance to move on.

  in the last couple of years, the badatz has been fraught with dishonesty, corruption, nepotism and strong arm tactics. This is due to several figures that have attached themselves to one of the members of the badatz and cornered him into making decisions and rulings favoring himself and his family. Basically, these unsavory charachters hired several of the rabbi’s children to serve in position in the bais din thereby tying his hands where he can’t be objective and cannot tell right from wrong. The previous vaad hakohol enterd the picture and respectfully attempted to control the damage and tried to facilitate several reforms in the badatz but where met with underworld based opposition by the vaad hakashrus in whose interest it was to keep the rabbi trapped in his corner and his hands tied. They also garnered the support of a well heeled resident of the community in whose interest it was to destabilize that vaad hakohol after losinf an election to one of the candidates. This situation continued to smolder behind closed doors, away from the eyes and ears of the public for a couple of years. Enter the new vaad hakohol. The chairman, with even closer ties to the rabbi, through his association with his father’s business, namely giving the hechsher to his father’s business, began to solidify the position of the rabbi, in other words taking the rabbi out of the corner he was trapped in, and began trying to rehabilitate the rabbi through sanctioning his misdeeds with proclamations of support and whithwashing solutions. The rabbi fell for it hook line and sinker and then the sky fell in. The rabbi began claiming ownership of community assets, these claims backed by the chairman of the vaad hakohol. The rabbi didn’t expect the community to react the way they did. The community raised a hue and cry to the extent that the rabbi began to fear that his stature and position in the community was going to erode. That was what was actually happening. The overwhelming majority of the community although silent, was completely turn off by his unilateral rulings favoring himself and began to resist. To combat this resistance,the rabbi went out and tried to saturate the badatz with several of his yes men, dayanim that would rubber stamp his shenanigans, but again was met with resistance. The community didn’t buy it, rabbanin have to be elected to the badatz, not inducted, as was the directive of the rebbe. New ruse, get the chairman of the vaad hakahal to make an election for rabbanim, these same rabbanim who will stack the deck against the existing other rabbanim of the badatz in order that he may keep his ill gotten gains. The cairman, fresh out of the big house for his own behavior unbecoming for honest citizens, attached himself to this idea like a fly to fly paper. Being thoroughly versed an knowledgeble in illegal maneuvers, ran an illegal election. Illegal by hallachic standards, illegal by the standards of law and illegal by community standards. It was our only hope, electing new rabbanim to the badatz and reverse the damage. But that wasn’t good for the rabbi and the chairman. At first, one of the candidates stood firm and would not enter this zoo until he was assured that things would be above board. (the other two candidates long ago became pawns in the corrupton) unfortunately, after undue pressure placed on the aforementionrd candidate, he capitulated to the dishonest and corruption and is already dancing to their tune. It was out last chance, all is lost.

  05/08/06 – 11:04 –

• thank you R. Moshe Haber

  Thank you Mr. Haber, for defending the honor of our Rov, you are a man of courage and integrity, may you have brocho and hatzlacha. I hope you will continue to have the courage to stand up to evil, and expose it,so that people will know not to fight against themselves in the future by acquiescing to it.

  <The disputed elections have taken place, and it remains to be seen what will be on June 3rd. If the plaintiffs drop their claim, then these are the people we will live with for the next three years.>

  I honestly hope the plaintiffs don’t do this, because no shechunah should have to live with the reign of terror that is already coming. The candidates were representative of the worst amongst us, an insult to us, the toshvei hashechunah.

  We residents of the Shechunah deserve to choose from Respectable, Respectful, Responsible people! Let’s have a REAL election, run by the REAL N’tzigim, people with no agenda other than a Shechunah in which Jews can prosper and serve Hashem without fear.

  And I ask of you readers, who are members of individual shuls to demand from your Netzigim that they represent YOU, not interest groups and work hard to get this sham election nullified, to be replaced by a REAL election.

• Yitzchok Mordechai Rosenberg

  I first met Rabbi Shvei in 1963 when I was his student at the Yeshiva at Bedford and Dean and have remained in contact with him over the years.

  Although raised in a Lubavitcher home-my father was a Tommim who learned in the Shanghai group-I also credit Rabbi Shvei for my desire to become a Lubavitcher.He must also have a large Chelek in the Yiddin I have been privilaged to reach and teach through my work.

  I don’t have much interest in politics but I can tell you this.Rabbi Shvei always gave of himself Lifnim Meshuras Hadin and exemplifies what it means to be a true Baal Mesora.

  On this Erev Shavous,perhaps,it would be good to remember the reasons why the Bais Hamikdash was destroyed.Sinas Chinum and our failure to conduct ourselves Lifnim Meshuras Hadin.

  It would be a shame if those who want to see us fail have their wish because of our behavior.

• Osdoba has no Inkling of playing fair

  There are major efforts underway right now to make peace but it is Osdoba, who refuses a Din Torah of Zabla.

  As long as Osdoba refuses Zabla, the community will have to suffer with all the Machlokes which Osdoba is causing.

  It is no secret that Osdoba was never a team player except that in the past it was secret.

  Rabbi Heller quit the Badatz because Osdoba was not a team player.

  Rabbi Marlow also suffered under Osdoba’s refusal to cooperate but Osdoba had no choice but to partially cooperate with Rabbi Marlow because Rabbi Marlow refused to let Osdoba get away with dictatorship.

  Rabbi Schwei was elected to replace Rabbi Marlow’s seat on the Beis Din.

  Contrary to Osdoba’s claims Rabbi Schwei was never intended to be Osdoba’s Shamos, (butler) as Osdoba wants it.

  Osdoba, is still in denial, that he is not a Moshel Bekipa and Osdoba has not yet realized that he has to play by the rules and play fair.

  Osdoba will likely NEVER be able to play by the rules and if the community puts it’s foot down, forcing Osdoba to play by the rules, I predict that then Osdoba will just LEAVE TOWN but be incapable to play by rules.

  It will be US the entire community w ho will FORCE Osdoba to play by the rules.

  As soon as Osdoba realizes that he has to play FAIR, he will likely leave town because Osdoba is NO CAPABLE of being a Team Player nor does Osdoba have the slightest Inkling of playing FAIR and treating his fellow PARTNERS with dignity, justice and fairness.

  As soon as Osdoba “gets it” through his head that he is “DICTATOR NO MORE” but rather Osdoba was empowered and voted in only to have 1/3 of the power – only when Osdoba finally GETS IT, only then, will CH have true peace.

  Unfortunately it is a psychological issue with Rabbi Osdoba and it not Rabbi Osdoba’s fault because Rabbi Osdoba is simply NOT CAPABLE of Playing FAIR.

  Seniority has no place in Halacha an according to Halacha:

  1 Rav = only 1 Vote in the Beis Din.

  The only reason we have Machlokes is because Rabbi Osdoba thinks he equals 3.

  Not only Rabbi Heller was disgusted with Osdoba’s dictatorship and had to walk away from the Badataz, but even Rabbi Reitport, who was never elected, walked away from Osdoba because he realized that Osdoba listens to absolutely NO ONE, Osdoba is not a TEAM PLAYER and does everything like a single handed DICTATOR, all by himself and against the will of all his partners.

  Only if and when Rabbi Osdoba will ever “GET IT”, that’s only then will we begin to have peace in C.H.

• Yitzchok Mordechai Rosenberg

  I first met Rabbi Shvei in 1963 when I was his student at the Yeshiva at Bedford and Dean and have remained in contact with him over the years.

  Although raised in a Lubavitcher home-my father was a Tommim who learned in the Shanghai group-I also credit Rabbi Shvei for my desire to become a Lubavitcher.He must also have a large Chelek in the Yiddin I have been privilaged to reach and teach through my work.

  I don’t have much interest in politics but I can tell you this.Rabbi Shvei always gave of himself Lifnim Meshuras Hadin and exemplifies what it means to be a true Baal Mesora.

  On this Erev Shavous,perhaps,it would be good to remember the reasons why the Bais Hamikdash was destroyed.Sinas Chinum and our failure to conduct ourselves Lifnim Meshuras Hadin.

  It would be a shame if those who want to see us fail have their wish because of our behavior.

• Boruch N. Hoffinger

  BS“D
  Dear Moshe Haber, thank you VERY MUCH for informing us more about the ‘truth.’ The Crown Heights Chronicle Special Edition (Published by my old boss Yitzchack Wagshull) with Rabbi Mangel’s article helped me very much.
  I love and honor Rav Osdaba. Rav Osdaba is a brilliant and fine person, I’ve known him for over 30 years as a rav and teacher at Hadar HaTorah. I’ve known Rav Shwei as a mashpia at Chovovei Torah where my son Hershy attended. I honor and respect him.
  Rav Osdaba might be misinformed on a number of issues, and he told me (And others) not to vote. I voted. Why?
  Our neighborhood is suffering terribly. We needed an EMERGENCY OPERATION!
  How much longer must we wait for a resolution, for real Shal-m and understanding?
  What’s with the old vaad?! No transparency?! Bad books!
  More than a few people don’t know what’s happening. There is doubt and confusion.
  This is The Rebbe’s neighborhood! The status of this neighborhood affects ‘Shleimus HaAuretz!
  The Rebbe MH”M wanted us to vote every three years and forbid the beit din from getting involved.
  I am a Kohaine (and a bochore) and must bless the people on Shavuos. G-d bless me that I did the right thing!
  Hopefully something positive and beautiful will happen now here in Crown Heights.
  Chag sameach!
  Note: Re: ‘Yechi’ I asked an ‘anti’ why he says “Shelach refuah shelaima…” He replied that “He saw the damage saying ‘Yechi’ can do to Chabad.” I answered that it’s known that all Lubavitchers (And other informed honest people.) know the Rebbe is Moshiach. The only reason it seems to be doing damage (Hurting donations) is because WE ARE DIVIDED. This gives a weal and negative impression to ‘outsiders.’ Were we all to shout the truth others would change their attitudes.
  (Common sense, really)
  Boruch ben Tzvi (A”H) HaKohaine Hoffinger

• to Osdoba has no Inkling of playing fair

  what is wrong with you? where did you eat last shabbos that you heard all these lies

  You force a teacher to become a rov and start all the machloks then you expect osdobo to play by his rules???!!

  Schvei did not come in to take over rabbimarlows job, he came in because we needed a rov not because we needed a mara dasra, it works in gashmius in ruchnius the next one in line takes over and that is rabbi osdobo!!

  Rabbi heller quit because his wife a”h passed away not because of osdobo so get your facts streight!!

  obviously you hate rabbi osdobo who is the mara dasra of CH and you should move out and open your own community where you can have rabbi schwei as your rov

  PS i couldnt agree more with the next comment who said how good of a teacher rabbi shvei was – he shoudl do the world a avor and go back to teaching and do what he does best!!

• asher

  its quite ironic that all the people who pushed for rabbi osdoba “abir shebiabirim” screaming that even he says lef is right vechulu. are now screaming against it. R’ Yoel Kahn was the most vocal and influential in rabbonim support after him abba paltiel and many of the people destroying the beis din today.

  maybe its just that some people dont like authority so they were opposed to the old guard and then when Rabbi Osdoba wanted to actually be a rov with his own deih he’s also treif.

  maybe democracy isn’t such a jewish concept after all.

• New Vaad WON in court today

  The new Vaad aligned web sites, reported at 1:30 pm today, that the New Vaad won in court today and Rubashkin lost his request for a TRO today.

  It’s also going to appeal today, they say.

• Moshe shmuel tugentaft

  Mr haber: in response to your comments, there you go again with your diversionary tactics, what’s the difference where I live or whether I appear in any anash list. don’t attempt to skirt the real issues, you think you can protect Rabbi osdoba by defaming Rabbi Schwei? Don’t tell me about speculation, there are multiple witnesses to your physical tantrums and whatever I wrote is fact. It is you that is slanted in your opinion cannot bear to see the truth written about the improprieties committed by the one you are trying to protect to the extent that you write falsehoods and bobeh maises. did you consult with your protectee before writing your letter? I believe you have because some of the things you wrote sound awfully similar to a letter written by your protectee regarding Rabbi Schwei.WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE, YOU CAN FOOL ALL OF THE PEOPLE SOME OF THE TIME SOME OF THE PEOPLE ALL OF THE TIME BUT YOU CAN’T FOOL ALL OF THE PEOPLE ALL OF THE TIME!!!!! ASK THE ALMOST THOUSAND PEOPLE THAT CAME TO VOTE IN A PROPERLY RUN HONEST TRANSPARENT ELECTION THAT DIDN’T LAST A WHOLE WEEK AND THAT THE BALLOT BOXES WERE’NT TAKEN TO PEOPLE’S HOMES AND DESPITE THE VEILED THREATS IN THE LETTER OF YOUR PROTECTEE “URGING” (AZHARAH CHAMURAH…)PEOPLE NOT TO VOTE.

• Outrageous Argument

  this is the strangest argument I have ever heard.

  WHERE in Judaisms do you find that 2 elected rabbonim on a single Bais Din – where 1 Rov has more power and his opinion holds more weight then the other???

  In the Sanhedrin, does the Rosh HaSanhedrin’s vote equal to anything more then the vote of the young Rov who just joined today???

  A bais din means that there are (at least) 3 Rabbonim that delibarate on issues and if 2 (or all 3) agree on a certin ruling – this becomes the Din of the Beis Din. 1 Rov of a Bais Din has absolutely no power of a Bais Din – unless its at least 2. otherwise he nothing more then any other Rov in the world and cannot speak in the name of the Bais Din.

  After Rabbi Shwei was Elected – without ANYONE challenging the validity of that election process AT THAT VERT TIME!!! – that very day Rabbi Shwey became a member of the Bais Din and a contemporary of Rabbi Osdobo – with equal voting and ruling power. as of that point, unless they both agreed on something together and signed together or one of them got Rabbi Heller to join him in a ruling. if there is a disagreement between these 2 Rabbonim they CANNOT speak on behalf of the Bais Din – the cancel each other out. the ONLY other way is to get Rabbi Heller back in or to make a valid elections for a 3rd Rov.

  The last disputed elections for Rabbonim needs to be settled in a Din Torah by both sides!!! this is the only way to straiten things out. If they can find a mutually agreeable bais din – then Torah demands that they go to a Zabl”o (look in the Rebbe’s Igros!!!).

• Heightser

  Haber: Kabel ess ha’emes mmi sheamaroi
  accept the truth from whoever states it
  don’t play dumb and fudge the truth by
  dwelling on who the writer is and what his address is

• yossi

  Its really painful to see the machliokes going on.
  We all know how dear the shechuna is to the Rebbe.
  The Soton is being Matzliach. I am part of this Shechuna for 40 years. This might be the worst its gotten.
  It has to stop. It’s Erev Shavuos Raboisai!
  Instead of pointing fingers at others… we should all remove from ourselves all the hatred and aminosity we may have.

• thank you R. Moshe Haber

  hey! wait a minute there everyone!
  theres a game thats being played over here called, blaim the victim. People think that rabbi Osdobo is a baal Machlokes. Thats not true CH“V!! its Just that when it comes to a time that someone fights you, you cant go on forever without defending yourself. Especially when its a danger to the community, and Kashrus, or any other aspect of Frumkeit. So everyone just take a try to look at Rabbi osdobo, WITHOUT any Baal Machlokes and you’ll see that he’s actually a very frum and lumdishe rov and is actually totally uninterested in Machlokes. try it out and see.
  second of all. just because moshe heber was a ben bayis in rabbi osdobas home, he’s still stating facts. instead of right away disqualifying him as ”Posul Eidus” check to see if the facts are true.

• Heartbreaking but true

  Let’s not throw Moshe’s entire piece away with the wash.
  Several of Moshe Haber’s points are well taken, for example.
  I received at least three despicable letters against Rabbi Osdoba in the very first days of Rabbi Schwei’s installation.
  This cannot be denied or contradicted because I still own these documents. These letters were received by ANASH, were read by bochurim in 770 (my kids included), and were the subject of street talk by young people in CH. You wonder what is happening to some of our youth? Why are they cynical? Why are they drifting? I will tell you. Much of the cause is the PUBLIC mockery of Rabbi Osdoba portrayed in the first letters sent to every “pisher” (pardon my French) in CH sent and signed by Rabbi Schwei.

  I do not want to belabor the point. But I will just end by telling you that my heart broke when I received those first letters because I knew what would result. Unfortunately, my intuitions were right.

  I implore all of us to think deeply and act assertively, rather than be led like shepselach to our own spiritual slaughter.

• Yudel

  To Heightser,
  Haber didn’t give a phony name, maybe this guy did.

• f.t.

  the REAL issues of CH?
  1)Loshon Hara & rechilus
  2)Grown ups being Yentes- and not ashamed of it
  3)Ppl looking and seaching for a juicy machloches to join.
  almost every single one of the commentors are expending on the story and finding juicy new angles.
  GO LEARN SOMETHING. GO SPEND TIME WITH YOUR KID. GO HELP YOUR WIFE WITH THE TOMTOV COOKING.GO VOULNTEER AT FRIENDSHIP CIRCLE OR A GMACH. your life won’t become richer & your hiskashrot won”t be improved by delving into this.nor will anything change as a result.

• HEAVEN HELP US!

  OH MY G-D!!!!! YOU ALL SOUND LIKE A BUNCH OF BABIES. DON’T YOU REALIZE WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO OUR YOUTH???!!! YOU ARE TURNING THEM AWAY FROM YIDDISHKIET! THEY SEE THIS AND THEY SAY THIS IS ALL A BIG HYPOCROCY!!!!
  LEAVE THE RABONIM TO TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES AND EVERYONE ELSE SHOULD PUT THEIR TONGUES BETWEEN THEIR TEETH AND JUST KEEP IT THERE. EVERYONE SHOULD JUST BUTT OUT!!!!

• go thru fire and water!

  f.t. wrote:

  “the REAL issues of CH?
  1)Loshon Hara & rechilus
  2)Grown ups being Yentes- and not ashamed of it
  3)Ppl looking and seaching for a juicy machloches to join.
  almost every single one of the commentors are expending on the story and finding juicy new angles.
  GO LEARN SOMETHING. GO SPEND TIME WITH YOUR KID. GO HELP YOUR WIFE WITH THE TOMTOV COOKING.GO VOULNTEER AT FRIENDSHIP CIRCLE OR A GMACH. your life won’t become richer & your hiskashrot won”t be improved by delving into this.nor will anything change as a result.“

  05/27/09 – 19:25 –
  HEAVEN HELP US! wrote:

  ”OH MY G-D!!!!! YOU ALL SOUND LIKE A BUNCH OF BABIES. DON’T YOU REALIZE WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO OUR YOUTH???!!! YOU ARE TURNING THEM AWAY FROM YIDDISHKIET! THEY SEE THIS AND THEY SAY THIS IS ALL A BIG HYPOCROCY!!!!
  LEAVE THE RABONIM TO TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES AND EVERYONE ELSE SHOULD PUT THEIR TONGUES BETWEEN THEIR TEETH AND JUST KEEP IT THERE. EVERYONE SHOULD JUST BUTT OUT!!!!“
  Okay. fine, your right about the point that we shdouldnt delve into Machlokes, we should do acts of chesed. but should we let the rebbes rov be publicly put to shame?! sorry. whether we sound like a yenta or we dont the truth – thats what moshe habers writing – need to go out in order to protect our community from dangerous figures (like M.H. or Y.S.) maybe we should let the kashrus tznius or chassidishkeit go up in flames, as long as were not kuching into politics and not hurting anyones feelings. I must say there are people having Mesiras Nefesh to go into the dirt(not to get dirty but to clean it up) while the rest of us are just sitting back and enjoying a ”yiddishe” life . these people should be appreciated – not bashed – for trying to fix the rebbes community. the people im reffering to that are trying to fix is the people thatdenied the elections!