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THE REAL CROWN HEIGHTS ELECTION RESULTS

CROWN HEIGHTS, Brooklyn [CHI] — Sunday night we reported the election tally, but that was hardly a reflection of the real outcome of the elections. Monday afternoon and Today, Tuesday the new Vaad began their tenure by taking control of the Community Council and Vaad Hakohol Offices by force, in a massive display of Chilul Hashem, and the opposite of which these bodies are to represent.

Both parties clashed in a spar of verbal assaults and the removal of people from the offices by force. Property was damaged and windows were broken, as members of the opposing factions tried to change locks while others attempted to hold possession of the premises.

Emotions ran high as the two factions battled each other in the confines of the office, which one side attempting to use police and have individuals arrested, while members of the other party showed police the restraining order, to which the police responded that they will not get involved because it’s a political matter.

Officers were accused of being corrupt, and that they were acting in concert with one party and ignoring the court order, a matter which is set for further litigation on June 3rd. Some said that Mr. Chanina Sperlin utilized his political ties with the police department to them turn a blind eye.

Early Tuesday morning, at around 2:00am the new group of the Vaad Hakohol attempted to take possession of the offices of the Vaad Hakohol at 392 Kingston Avenue by force.

Many witnesses at the scene said that members of the new Vaad along with a group of ‘Tzfati’ Bochurim led by Mendy Hendel, who is said to be behind these elections, came to the door of the Vaad offices and after calling out “in the name of the Rebbe Melech HaMoshiach, Yechi […]” they broke the window and went into the offices.

Once again police were called only this time Mr. Sperlin along with one of the ‘Tzfati’ Bochurim were arrested for breaking and entering, charges which vanished a mere 25 minutes later. As police arrived a number of people fled including Mr.’s Hendel and Poltorak. According to sources in the Precinct they said that the responding officers did not know the politics that was going on and just made a mistake in arresting Mr. Sperlin.

Mr. Sperlin has a history with using his political ties to harm people in the community rather than use it for their benefit. In 2001 he had 4 people of the same family arrested in the ‘Box Case’ in 770 where the individuals were arrested for destroying the infamous ‘Machloikes Box’. See this link.

This morning day laborers were seen repairing a broken door to the Vaad offices, alongside police officers, private security and throngs of curious onlookers.

“Police have no business in the politics of our community” said a resident who wished to remain anonymous, adding “that the involvement or the use of the police is Messira, and anyone who is accused of Messira has no place in this community, let along even run it.”

A rep for the Lang Vaad said that the matter is heading back to court today and they are confident that they will prevail. While a rep for the new Vaad said “whatever they [the old Vaad] do, it’s irrelevant and moot, we won the elections and now have the offices, and it’s done.”

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122 Comments

  • Chavivi Miller

    You give every Jew-hater/anti-semite an early X-mas present every time Jews battle Jews, especially over something so rediculous as this. In the name of G-d, settle your differences in a dignified manner. People outside of your community are seeing this “shanda”.

  • Zalman

    “Witnesses at the scene said”
    May i ask who this witness was? It’s a bogus report!
    Hendel was NOT there!!! And no, there were no shouts of Yechi, or the like!!!

  • Observer

    Is this an article or an editorial? Chanina “may have used his connections,” but didn’t the new vaad have a court order that they should take office immediately? In which case, why were they locked out?

  • An eye witness

    Sheker Vichozov!!!
    Hendel befeirush wasn’t there!!!
    And as to the shouting of “in the name of the Rebbe Melech HaMoshiach, Yechi”. It’s just ridiculous how far people would go with their libels!
    Who is this biased witness???

  • Me Myself and I

    Let the circus…battle begin.

    Chavvi Miller! your right they shouldnt take the bettle to the streets bc if they do the media will report it.

    now lets see.
    the newlly ellected vaad non of them seem aggresive, they are all little tatilach, i had hope in them,

    the executive director cpa guy, fishel, surlly will be holding his name as a cpa when it comes to accountability, the clown in funny clothing apparently prooved that he can negotiate, and is a lawyer, chanina… oh g-d forget him (term limits please) but i do find it amusing how he can play both sides of the coin. and then zev hees allright maybe he will get some educational programs going here.

    BUT IT ALL DOESNT ADD UP

    why are they fighting, i suspect a bigger picture here, more people more fighters… behind the scenes. it looks as if these 4 are all pupets..

    oh and to that guy who asked by the last meeting
    “monday morning when you walk into the counsel and they tell you to get lost what are you going to do?”
    well heres your answer

    there answer was “we cant say but we have a plan”

    haha i love it

  • Ruvi

    Thank you Rabbi Schwei all of a sudden he is quiet thanks for your great work in this community

  • justme

    the good news is……………..young timers is having a super winter sale.

  • Full of regret

    These are the THUGS we voted for last week?
    What was I thinking??????
    We are chassidim not gangsters. I cannot believe that with the cry of “Yechi” Mendel Hendel and a gang of thugs broke the window to the Vaad and took over.

    Isn’t “Yechi” is a holy statement yearning for the Rebbe MH“M revealed as Moshiach”?

    Has “Yechi” become Hendel’s war cry?

    I regret sincerely that I voted, and hope it is not too late to reverse things. WE CANNOT BE LED BY THESE PEOPLE!!!!!

  • moshiach now!

    kiddush hashem of the week
    the real heroes will be the ones
    who look at the tragic events in chabad that have happened since these elections
    and run away from machlokes
    it’s easy to be blind
    let’s see these guys act like men
    “bemokom shein ish hishtadel lihyos ish!

  • Observer

    Re: Zalman

    This whole report reeks of falseness. Can we get the real story, please? Also, what restraining order are you referring to?

  • yossel

    oyy harav hagaon getzy markowitz without a hat and jacket..what’s happening to our shechune?!?!

  • facts over stories

    you say that one side wanted to get the others arrested while the others were PEACEFULLY showing a court order, but the facts are other way round.
    Chanina WAS arrested, that means that the so-called peaceful ones called the police.
    and are now trying to twist the story.

  • AntiMesira

    “anyone who is accused of Messira has no place in this community”
    Agreed!!! Thats just another reason to get rid of the outgoing vaad!!!

  • Ruvi

    Remember that when we voted in the last disputed election Yossel mochkin Holtzman and his bask side herzog screamed at everyman entering the booths and chased away loads of people who didnt want to take sides

    This time nobody bothered anyone who wanted to vote …

    Last time nobody broke into offices etc… this time

    wow Rabbi Schwei your the best

  • chaim

    All people involved in this are really pathetic. Grow up and get lives!

  • TEANAYKAS SHEL BIES RABBM

    AIH MAEH HOYO LONUU !!!!!!THIS IS THE END THE !SHCUNA IS DONE
    this conferms 3 tamuz

  • cher

    THATS WHATS ITS ALL ABOUT!

    P O W E R AND MORE PPOOWWEERR

    every single guy who is violent in this matter should be embarrased, ashamed for himself and his family. Violence is NOT the answer and my post here means nothing.

    Even if I agree with the elections, for Chanina and the others to justify changing locks and breaking windows is pure hatred . This is like Meah Shearim!

  • Inside information

    I heard that there’s a recording of Rabashkin asking Plotkin if they should press charges (aka mesirah), and he sais: zicher!

  • Renegade

    “Mr. Sperlin was arrested for breaking and entering, charges which vanished a mere 25 minutes later.”

    The charges “vanished” because Chanina showed them a copy of the lease to the office with his name on it.

  • CHT

    Occasion of mesirah is nonsense. If a yid sell you a house but bluntly does not move out, can you call the police to get him out. Of course

  • Chaim

    What violence are you talking about. This article is TOTALY BIASED, there is almost NO truth in it!!! Dear editor: if you want to have any credibility PLEASE report the FACTS.

    If you wish to write Op-Ed’s that is your choice, but please don’t mix your FEELINGS with the facts…

  • Shisin

    i was there and watched as the hoolagen Yossel Mochkin who was NOT elected, changed the locks to the CHCC. Interesting, as he isnt involved.
    A band chaleres!!!

  • Hey YOSSEL

    Hey Yossel? whats your beef with getzy who by the way, is a “Harav” as you say, who has smicha from the Rabanut. I think
    Eitherway, why is there such hate in our “kehila”

  • mo

    I’d like to give a big thank you to the bais din for showing the CH community how to act toward each. You give us such guidance on how to be so peaceful and respectful. We couldn’t have been able to achieve such heights without you rabbi’s as role models for the community. Again, thanks!

  • BRING MOSHIACCCCCCCHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Crownheights.info I am so ashamed…
    I love your site, but…
    THIS IS NOT REPORTING!! You are just sowing machlokes and garbage and giving your own biased idea of what happened!
    How can you allow such open sinah and lashon hara to go on, in open, with no moderation…
    “Comments must be approved before being published”
    How many comments do you actually censor?!
    Freedom of speech notwithstanding..
    Sure, politics regardless but to allow such an open loshon hara forum is repulsive, and for the reporting to be done as you say, is horrifying.
    In the days leading up to Mattan Torah.
    How can you justify that?
    Maybe it feels so good to get so many comments and hits to your site, but it’s no excuse, no excuse.
    I know you are a bunch of little shnooks who love Machlokes, but you’re taking it too far…
    Please, even with your disclaimer, you still represent Lubavitch.
    This hatred and open sinah keeps me up at night.
    Please, please, MODERATE the comments. AND STOP REPORTING GARBAGE!!!
    Let people know your site is different and OPEN DISGUSTING HATRED AND PUT DOWNS will not be published!! Why are you afraid to do the right thing!?!?
    Please, it’s in your hands, we need Moshiach already, don’t allow comments that will make him delay… :(
    PLEASE!!
    (I wont be surprised if you are too cowardly to post this)

  • SIGN THE PETITION NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Mr. M HENDEL Has to be DEPORTED
    HENDEL IS A CAN,,, to the community,
    let’s sign a petition to have him kicked out of crown heights

  • Confident

    this is not a time to flee, this is a time to hold strong, the outgoing committee has been threatening with court orders all along.
    Now is the time to retake the shechuna “un machen a seder”
    We are far from finished but there is hope, the hope is in those that will stay and fight, fight every person who utilizes the power bestowed upon them by a community for personal gain.
    FRIENDS don’t give up now, great things are happening, there are amazing things ahead. It is up to all of us, clean up the schools, clean up the CHCC, clean up 770. THE TIME IS NOW!

  • GOOD ppl do not leave CH

    lets get the trouble makers to leave:
    MENDI HENDEL GET OUT OF CROWN HEIGHTS.

  • Observer

    The story is very clear: the old vaad illegally tried barring the new vad. The reason chanina was released was because he has the legal right to be there! Rubashkin is going to get into major trouble with this fiasco!

  • Not From Around Here

    This behaviour is an OUTRAGE; are we not a religious community? Where is the Ahavas Isroel? We need Moshiach NOW!!!

  • An outside member

    I’m not from CH, so I can’t pretend to know exactly what’s going on…but gosh it just looks like a bunch of immmature kids fighting.
    I’m embarrassed for the people who should be but aren’t.

  • what ever

    “thank you rabbi shvey”

    WHAAAAT?

    thank him for what.
    both rabonim and the current and the old vaad are all pupits and have there own agendas…

    weres tamir hees the only real guy.

  • yossele

    What are they fighting over?
    Crown Heights is finished!

    I say we all split up and join other kehillos.

  • Yeled Katan

    Im a young kid in Crown heights. Why are our tottys fighting like we do in the playground in Oholie Torah? When we fight, our rebbes come to stop it and make peace. When our tottys do it where is their rebbe to make peace? Thanks for the lesson older generation! If I feel like my friends lunchbox is mine for some delusional reason I will break it and take it by force. Nice….

  • Dont drag the rebbe into this!!!

    and to do all this in the name of the rebbe? It’s one thing to do something so shameful and low, it brings it to an all new low by dragging the Rebbe into this.

  • MEIR RHODES-BAT AYIN

    MY DEAR FRIENDS YOU BREAK OUR HEARTS HERE IN THE HILL TOPS. WE NEED YOUR STRENGTH AND SUPPORT FOR THE REAL STRUGGLE AHEAD.WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO EACH OTHER? IN THE NAME OF G-D STOP DESTROYING WHAT IT TOOK SOO LONG TO BUILD.

  • Have lost faith

    Here is simple solution.
    Let me be the first to say that this is simply more of a ramble then anything else but…
    Most of the people here in ch i am assuming have summer homes or the like,let these guys figure things out and we can all live upstate for a few months without all this garbage let them run a non existent communnity.
    as for myself i thankfully will not be living in ny much longer this place is so horrible not much of a community at all!

  • Snag

    Encore!

    Let’s have more of this, it is very entertaining for us snags.

  • Boruch N. Hoffinger

    BS“D
    I hardly read any of the comments – no names. One that I glanced at I didn’t take seriously, even though I agree.
    When we die (Chay Nitzchi!) we’ll be a
    ‘neshama bli goof.’ Right now we have bodies
    and names. State your names.

    The new Vaad has a court order.
    Dina de Malchusa Dina.
    The Rebbe, MH”M, always wanted to do things
    legally.
    Whether you’re on their side or not.
    Some of us believe in fair play, some don’t.
    All the dirt will come out in the wash.
    Patience.
    Oh yes, let’s all not forget the biggest ‘Mashichist’ was
    The Rebbe, MH”M.
    Listen carefully, he’s saying Yechi right now.

    bhoffinger@aol.com

  • crazY

    please, all these ppl participating of this Hillul Hashem, they should not be called Rebbe’s chassidim. This story is not from Chabad, not from Lubavitch, is just something that happened from some crazy ppl in CH

  • I don-t understand

    The Rebbe spoke of Achdus and Ahavas Yisroel, these were his last requests to us to hold Chabad together after he left us.
    How is this being accomplished?????
    Have we lost sight of the goal?
    This is an outrage on ALL sides.
    Moshiach Now? Is THIS how we bring him?

  • fed up

    WE DONT LIVE IN EIGHTEENTH CENTURY POLAND…LETS ALL GROW UP A LITTLE BIT AND START ACTING LIKE HUMAN BEINGS…

  • Chanina showed them a copy of the lease

    “The charges “vanished” because Chanina showed them a copy of the lease to the office with his name on it.”

    Wait a minute, hold on…
    How did that happen?
    Isn’t this a public office that belongs to the public?

  • a Shliach

    this is such a chillul hashem just shows that all these wackos need to be deported ment hendel esspecially and his crew let all the meschichistim find a new place to make themselves crazy and leave chabad to the shluchim!!!

  • To: full of regret

    no yechi is not a holy statement its a chilul lubavitch the Rebbe hated it

  • Thanking G-d I live outside CH

    Crown Heights is digging their grave. Keep fighting.. and watch your children move, and run from the Shchunah. You wonder why kids from both camps are becoming frei? Don’t blame anyone but yourself.

    This Shavuos .. instead of talking Torah, and how to be M’kabel the Torah B’pneemius…. I can only bet that most of CH will be involved in machlockus around the table.

    Where is the K’ish Echod B’Layv Echod.

    The Leaders of the Vaad and the Beis Dins have destroyed the Rebbe’s Schunah.

    While the Rebbe was here with us .. CH always gave the Rebbe agmas Nefesh with thei infightings …. so nu, what has changed?

    May you all do Tshuvah!

  • HEAVEN HELP US

    I’M ONE OF THOSE NUTS WHO MAKES EVERY ATTEMPT TO STAY OUT OF ALL OF THE LOCAL POLITICS. AND DID NOT TAKE SIDES IN THIS ELECTION EITHER. BUT WHAT I CAN’T UNDERSTAND IS IF SOMEONE IS ELECTED INTO OFFICE WHETHER I LIKE IT OR NOT DOESN’T HE HAVE A RIGHT TO BE IN THE OFFICE????? IMAGINE IF I WENT TO THE WHITE HOUSE AND DECIDED TO LOCK THE DOOR ON OBAMA BECAUSE I DON’T THINK THE GUY BELONGS THERE. I WOULD BE ARRESTED. WHY AREN’T THE PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT LETTING THEM IN TAKEN TO TASK. AND YES I MUST ADMIT FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE THE COUNCIL DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FOR ME UNTIL NOW SO ANY CHANGE SOUNDS GOOD. AND FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE ASHAMED OF CROWN HEIGHTS, NO ONE IS KEEPING YOU CHAINED HERE. WITH THE LITTLE BIT THAT I KNOW OF THIS ELECTION I WOULD SAY THE MEDDLING OF THE RABBONIM FUELED THE FIRE. AND THAT IS A SAD SAD SITUATION. I WOULD NOT PUT IT PAST THE OLD VAAD TO HAVE DONE THE PHYSICAL DAMAGE THEMSELVES AND BLAMED IT ON THE NEW VAAD. FROM ALL THE LIBELOUS STORIES ABOVE IT WOULDN’T SURPRISE ME ONE IOTA. HEAVEN HELP US!

  • a neighborhood resident

    How wonderful!! Those of you that voted look who & what you voted for.For those of you animals idiots who Blasted Rav Heller for telling people to sit & do nothing Well I gots to tell you those words of Wisdom are looking mighty fine right now.If it’s True that Mendy Hendel was involved we ought to haul his ass out of the country permanently asap& find someone normal to Run Bais Moshiach. Terrorism cannot be tolerated hereIt unfortunately seems however that it is the norm to destroy someone who you don’t like etc.It is time for a real shake up real elections(unopposed) & real people to actually do real things

  • ashamed

    shame on this community open your eyes just today we are praying for a fellow shaliach, a young child in toronto taken at such a young age. and to see such adults who claim they are helping the community but are only causing friction and fighting, its proven over centuries when the yidden fight amongst each other we are punished. This is not a community i’m ashamed to be part of this community

  • resident

    What an amazing hachana for Shavous when we are suppose to be keish echad. What happened to being goood roll models for our children? I guess it was just a slogan.

  • Seize the Moment!

    The elections which were contested in court, are not “chal” until the hearing on June third takes place, pending what the court rules.

    They got to run their one sided election, but that was the other part of the deal, like it or not. However, the gang of crooks that some people unwittingly voted for without knowing the facts, (although knowing that it was in defiance of the Rav’s request) was foaming at the mouth, and couldn’t wait to seize the moment, or rather headquarters. They decided to seize and seize it they did.

    In answer to all the plaintive cries of “mesirah”, just curious who is REALLY behind the Mesirah of two Rubashkin brothers, I’ve been wondering for a while.

    Regarding the use of court there’s no choice since these crooks don’t have to listen to a Rav, they have their own Rav mitaam.

  • yes i agree lets kick mend hendel

    out of here let him go to back to israel, what did he come to america for to make machloikes?

  • B.W.

    When you have a contested election, the folks have to wait till it’s determined who gets the titles etc., such as in the case of Franken vs. Coleman. None of them hold the office of Senate until the courts issue a final ruling. So why have these hooligans trespassed the Vaad office brandishing vilda chayos? A gang that doesn’t befit the Rebbe’s shchunah.

    Cry change shmange, but the new ‘leaders’ of hendels ilk have out shined the incompetence of the previous members with their new crew of juvenile chayos. SAD. We need Moshiach…

  • This is like the BBC

    who are the ones resorting to terrorism? One side won the elections and the other side locks the winners out!! And all these comments are against the vaad? The outrage should be against rubaskin and co.! The chutzpah is tremendous!

  • Mendel

    the Hendel Family and Scwei
    they are making to much problem in CH we have to get ride of theme maybe we should ship them to kupchik in puna

    they are korach veadso kepshuto they are fighting the rebbe they dont belive on the rebbe
    the are making a chilul chabad evrey seconde
    they are an ambarasment to the Rebbes and to his Chassidim

    Hendel & Schwei Leave us alone we dont want you we do not need you for any thing

  • CN

    Rabbi Osdoba is a navi who saw all this coming and tried to warn the Community.

  • Re: bw

    In Coleman v franken no one took office because no one knows who won! Here there was a regular election, with clear winners, etc. One side wants to challenge it in court, that’s their right. But to call thiscontested?! That’s going way too far.

  • Re: CN

    He saw it coming? Or he caused it directly with his brutal dictatorship? He favors a coruupt status quo against democratic change, this emboldening the corrupt to flagratly disregard a community election and a court order. This is who you call a navi?!

  • keep the faith

    Can somone post a picture of this sick Hendel so i can avoid him & not be in daled amos of him, my own personal Cherem of him? I already know what rabbi Schwei looks lke.

  • pffff

    pffff
    this is so boring,
    can’t you guys find something else to say but kick this one out or go this one??
    why do you think they locked the community council?? for us people not to find out the truth about where all the money from the government is going, why we can’t have proper affordable housing and so on…
    be realistic people, it is time for a revolution.
    good night

  • antimesira

    Chanina is a mosser!
    He only uses his pull to get people in jail not out!

    Supporting Chanina is supporting Mesira!

    Yes, Real Mesira, where real people actually got locked up and went through hell in court (defending for their very life), and some ending up in jail.

    there is a lot of corruption going on here.
    First the Shmira and the COP (!?)
    Then Chanina getting people locked up with a snap of a finger.

  • to Re: bw wrote:

    It was precontested. The hearing was scheduled before the ‘elections’.

    BW

  • Nechama

    CH was a great place to growing up. Every time I read about all this garbage going on, I thank hashem for giving me the brains to get up and leave 4 years ago. My lifes been a lot more simple.

    And yes, Mendy Hendel should go back to where he came from– let him go make a tumult in tzfas and let ch be.

  • need to get rid of these bad people

    schwei uses the fact that he is part of beis din to make people like a living hell his kids are horriblale tenants destroy places and when they say they are thorwing them out because they did tens of thousend dollars worth of damges he says u cant i am part of the beis din and u can do it to me

    so for all u people who are going to defend he is a horrible person

  • normal meshichist,(no tzfati, no degel,

    dearest chchers
    many of you give up hope
    saying that this community is destroyed. CHv

  • LAkErS

    crown heightzers…im really sorry…but you all are soo pathetic! move to LA

  • A better idea

    We are missing out on a great opportunity. Set up a boxing ring and charge admission and give the proceeds to TZDUKA.

  • david

    can someone provide a list of alternative lubavitch communities we can move to? as a young professional, i’m moving out as soon as I can.

  • troybochar

    i am a 16 year old kid im becoming fray !
    why should i stay my father is crying
    this place is ajoke ALLWAYS WAS
    what rebbe wher rebbe

  • the three little ___

    Chanina (gedeinkst) – he huffed and puffed and blew it away :-)

  • Binyamin

    Time to move to the farm. Away from this polluted out-sized ghetto with its hyper-inflated real estate and ticket Nazi’s,
    to a place more peaceful, self-sustaining, and decent.

  • Remember

    Remember when we laughed at the beard pulling Satmars.

    Not so funny now is it?

  • yitz

    Please don’t allow fowl laguage to be published it makes your website a very low class site. as far as Mendel Hendel is concerned,we shuold find out his Mother’s name and be Mispalel for him he needs a big Yeshua quickly.

  • the illusion

    The silent majority won this election and every election before this.

    We the silent majority have been voting not to have elected Rabbonim since the very idea came up.

    We the silent majority have been voting to shut this “community council”.

    Why isn’t anybody paying attention to use?
    We are those normal Hard working family people, who just want to live and let live. We are the ones that are out there every day actually helping our fellow brother and sister neighbors and friends.

    Their all excited that almost a 1000 people voted, wow hee,
    What about the other 3,250 that didn’t?

  • response to: Rabbi schwei - hendel

    do not compare the two schwei & hendel

    schwei are veteran reisednts of ch 40 yrs
    hendel 5 years only came from israel does not work & never had a job, just thinks how to takeover the neighborhood, & make machloikis i guess that is what keeps him busy.

    whoever is skeptical about this do your own research & see what you discover.

  • ceo

    lots of sensible comments to a very troubled situation.
    it is SO tangled up, that I feel like I’m going to withdraw…..I don’t want to know hot-headed fanatics, don’t want anything to do with them. Hopefully I can just live here, do my Torah and mitzvos and LEARN AND LIVE the Rebbe’s words.
    At least that much should be left for me to do.
    Did these guys miss out on the days when they taught the Rebbe’s sichas which teach us the true emeseh hashgafas of Torah?
    We cannot give up. We can only be the best we can be. And if we do that, Im yirtzh HaShem there will be enough of us that something good will come of it. We don’t have to make it, we just have to do Torah and Mitzvos and HaShem will help things evolve.

  • Shocked Shliach

    This is a real Chillul Lubavitch! Who thinks the Rebbe would be proud?

  • WHAT IS THIS?

    EVERYONE IS EIIHER THINKING ABOUT HIS WHOLE THING WHOS RIGHT/ WHOS WRONG AD EVERYONE ELSE IS THINKING NOW IS THE TIME TO

  • Mordy

    Everyone here needs to take a deep breath. Say what you will about the Vaad Hakohol, its twin the CHJCC is a government-funded non-profit which must have elections every three years according to its own bylaws.

    Changing locks is standard policy in every normal office when new people come in. Deal with it.

  • ceo#2

    it might be hard, but you owe the Rebbe AT LEAST this:
    to find a level-headed person who will tell you what really happened, and then stay away, and do what the Rebbe wants you to do. The hot headed people in this and any of our (nebech) situations are the ones who don’t know how to think things through and know whats right….they just need the adrenalin rushing through their veins.

  • Respect for Rabbonim

    I protest the disrespect for Rav Schwei, shlita. A rov is a rov, no matter what your own political beliefs are. Did YOU spend your life learning and teaching Torah? Are YOU as chassidish as Rav Schwei? We must respect our rabbonim–both Rav Schwei and Rav Osdoba shlita. Those who posted anything contrary to respect must do teshuvah and humbly ask the rav for forgiveness.

  • ceo # 3

    BELIEVE THIS OR NOT:
    some of us here in CHts will still go about their business of doing what the Rebbe wants from us, and we all hope and daven that the rest of you will be mekareve to the emes soon as possible.
    meanwhile, refuoh shleima b’karov mamosh mamosh

  • Schwei is NOT my Rabbi

    Where can I sign the petition!!!!! Let’s get Hendel and Krausz and all the Tzfatis out of there!!!!

  • woman

    WE NEED A WOMAN!!!!!!!!!! They know how to get things done without too much tumult

  • The teenagers are watching

    Just remember, our teenagers do not listen to what we say, they watch what we do. If this is what they see, why on earth would they want to have anything to do with our kehilla?

  • normal meshichist,(no zfati, no degel,)

    hey!
    just a few corrections that i’d like to make
    “no yechi is not a holy statement its a chilul lubavitch the Rebbe hated it”
    1) A. this has nothing to do with mishichistim, it has to do with a few Vilder Yingelach from kindergorten who happen to say Yechi and think that its CH“V a war cry.B. yechi is a very holy statement. i dont know, maybe you didn’t watch the rebbe videos, but i see that the rebbe definitely didn’t hate it.
    2)i just feel very bad for these ppl that got themselves into this, but hate them? i don’t. hashem hatov yechaper!

    3)to everyone who is saying: the rebbe wanted ellections every three years: i’ll make it very simple. A. it was NOT nessecerily every three yrs. B. the rebbe also wanted that we should go on Mivtzoyim and put on ppl Tfillin – one of the rebbes heilikeh mivtzahs.
    so yankel decides he wants to do mivtzoyim. So very simple. what will he do? he goes streight to 770 where he knows he can find a pair of Tfillin.( not so far fetched. huh? lol)as he walks in he sees shmerel about to put on his tfillin for shacharis. so right away he grabs shmerels Tfillin away and starts walking to the door.
    Shmerel:”Yankel, hey! give me back my tfillin!“
    Yankel:”You know that the rebbe spoke very strongly about putting tfillin on ppl without being embarrassed of anyone!“
    shmerel:” Yankel give me back my tfillin and do mivtzoyim with your own!
    Yankel:“ hey, hey! wait a second, what are you telling me? That I shouldn’t do one of the rebbes mivtzoyim?!!”

    same thing here. Yes. The Rebbe did say we should have ellections. its something very important. but in what way? Can it be something that most of the ppl involved dont agree on? can only some of the people who do want it ( for not such good reasons) just ignore everyone and announce to the innocent shechunah, who doesnt know anything about elections, that were having elections?

    These were not the elections that the rebbe would want. And btw the rebbe emphasized which elections he doesn’t want. It was exactly like this.

  • Chabad Ein Poh

    I gotta say this, and I think all you neysayers should take a close listen, as CrownHeights.info is just 1 of the 2 websites that reported on this whole debacle I gotta say this report is far less biased and containes real info.

    Chabad.info had the most disgusting article I have ever read published on their site, and ill quote from it:

    /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/

    The new Vaad said that the Restraining Order was cancelled, and the hearing scheduled for June 3rd does not prevent them from assuming their new responsibilities and offices. Dr. Lang refused to give them access to the office at 392 Kingston Avenue. Zev Cadaner attempted to speak with Rabbi Osdoba, but R. Osdoba did not return his call.

    […]

    Later that night, the new Vaad forced open the door at 392 Kingston Avenue to enter the office. Sholom Rubashkin, Moshe’s son and an employee of the Council called the Police. He stood screaming in front of the Council that the Police should arrest everybody. (He was apparently trying to make sure that he would have a minyon to Daven with, when he begins serving his jail sentence, for a felony conviction, next month.)

    […]

    The Police wanted to arrest someone for breaking the lock, and arrested a bochur who happened to be standing nearby. Chanina Sperlin came to talk to the Police to let the bochur free, and he was arrested himself and taken to the Precinct. When the Police understood that he was a Board Member, and had the right to access to the offices, he and the bochur were released.

    /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/

    To say that CHI is biased is just ludacris! just read that drivel! YUCK!

    The best part of all this is that the same website that published that slander (and claims to be of a higher standard) is owned and run by Mendy Hendel (MH”M). So you tell me who has an agenda here.

  • good idea

    “We are missing out on a great opportunity. Set up a boxing ring and charge admission and give the proceeds to TZDUKA.”

    :)

    thanks for the laugh!
    at least somebody has his head on right!

  • This is not the place

    A lubavitch website is no place to smear individuals wether they are true or false.

  • SHKUNBURG

    dont forget we have the shul770 vs krisnky gang

    this place is falling apart
    MUST BE THER WAS NEVER NOTHING HERE
    KULONU MAYSIM FACE IT ITS OVER

  • guyinbud

    yoy fools its over run for ur life grab ur family run run run
    this place is fenietoe

  • While everyone is busy being discusted..

    While everyone is busy being discusted, GET WITH THE PROGRAM!
    This is Your community too! SOME people work ver hard to improve it and so they are the ones who get all the garbage and criticism for the work that they are doing! Why don’t all those people give it a try ?!
    Dont shake your head and talk Work! Work to mprove this community; but not for selfish reasons (like we’re seeing now).
    One thing I know for sure, THE RUBASHKINS WERE BUSY HELPING WITH AND WITHOUT THE (Stupid) Title.

  • Menachem

    you can’t make this stuff up, it’s so ridiculous. Chanina wants power, his yesh reigns supreme. And the morons screamiing yechi? If I was a politician or cop, I would run away from all this bozos as far as I can. This is kindergarten politics at it’s worst.

  • Rebbe oy Rebbe we need you!

    Rebbe oy rebbe we need you
    Hashem, hashem kel raachum,
    were sick of this galus
    cant bear any more
    why dont you open the door

    Rabbi Gluchovsky:“the hesech hadaas is getting bigger by the day” so true

  • Mendel

    Hendel & Schwei

    unfortunately
    the election are just for Scwei benefit
    since he came in to the rabbanus he start new fight in CH

    and Hendel his the one running the ELECTION for Scwei

    everything was organized by Beis Moshiach (Hendel)

  • as big Mishichist

    i can say that this was a real unbias website regarding the election-scandal

  • G-d

    Hendel is a cancer. Schewi is a tumor.

    Lets save crown heights a nd get rid of both of them. Maybe a pulsah diniurah would be good at this time

  • CHT

    Whoever suggest pulsah – you are crazy and don’t know the basics how it works. You have to be 10000% certain you are right because if the recipient does not deserve it, the curser goes instead. In my opinion, any person that is based on his best understanding serves Jewish community and Torah does not desrve it.

  • Don-t understand

    Isn’t Moshiach supposed to bring PEACE and not Machloikas???

  • Sad

    I suggest all of you that throw names of terrible illness around in your misguided excitement go spend a few days at Sloan Kettering. Besides doing the mitzvah of bikur cholim, you may wake up to realize what’s important in life.

    In a glass house, don’t throw stones! Who’s got clean hands in our shechunah? All the cries of hate, screams for expulsion, labeling the bad guy–could you really be serious? any of you were an eye witness to what happened? who was there? Were there no fights in CH until M. Hendel arrived? Get real! All of the flaming comments are not from people seeking peace.

  • Lets try to think with emes

    Inside information wrote:

    “I heard that there’s a recording of Rabashkin asking Plotkin if they should press charges (aka mesirah), and he sais: zicher!”

    only problem is, when a yid is robbing you (or trying to destroy you, or your community,) and then refuses to go to din torah, what THEN do you do??????!!! As far as I know, acc. to halacha, you are compelled to get some sort of help, no? what if he had a knife???? these people have knives behind they’re innocent looking backs (whether they realize it or not they are destroying the community from the core) and what THEN do you do to save a Yiddishe kehila??????!?!?

    with such people in charge, what will be with Taharas hamishpacha, kashrus, YIDDISHKEIT????? please, lets face the facts taht this wasn’t an innocent election and it can only mean a downfall for the kehila R”L. Lets look a bit deeper and try to understand what really is Erlech and whats really not for the benefit of the community…

  • be rebelious by being better!

    “i am a 16 year old kid im becoming fray !
    why should i stay my father is crying
    this place is ajoke ALLWAYS WAS
    what rebbe wher rebbe”
    hey, im also a teenager. lets not take it that way.
    the way to rebel against your parents, is to try to be more frum! we’ll be a better generation then these big machlokes machers that try to take over the old and real Vaad Hakohol.
    Attention all teenagers! this machlokes ( not for the machlokes macher but for us teenagers, that were in such a time, and especially that none of us basically never saw the rebbe) is no excuse to become fray ( fried in the pan? LOL)its a proof that we havto be super-special to reach much higher than our parents

  • just wondering

    Why would anyone want to be in charge of that smelly office??

  • who cares

    just wondering wrote:

    Why would anyone want to be in charge of that smelly office??

    Just wondering, you made my day.

    Who cares, bunch of kids playing politics. I live in Crown Heights for 15 years and the only time I went into that office was to do a job for them that I never got paid for, so who needs that whole place.

    We can open a community service office and provide the community with the same support programs without all the fanfare. I guarantee that we will find plenty of volunteers that would love to help out if there where no politics involved.

    The people of Crown heights love to volunteer and help out their fellow residents and neighbors, we don”t need the CHCC for that.

    And by the way, when people help each other they have no time and no interest in machlokes and politics.

  • GOOOOOOD NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!

    ALL THIS IS A SIGN, THAT WE ARE MOMENTS AWAY FROM THE FINAL HISGALUS!!!!

    HURRAY!!

    FOR THOSE UNLEARNED OUT THERE:

    1) LEADERLESSNESS

    2) CHUTZPA,

    3) PIRUD

    4) STEEP DECLINE IN MORALITY

    5) ISRAEL SELF DESTRUCTION ETC
    ALL THIS IS “PREDICTED” IN TORAH 2000 YEARS AGO AS THE CLEAR DEVELOPMENTS TO PRECEDE THE FINAL GEULA

    SOO CHAP-ARAIN BEFORE ITS TOOOOO LATE FOREVER

    (AND DONT GET DISTRACTED OR SUCKED IN BY THE SATTAN’S DESPERATE LAST ATTEMPT!!