97 Comments

• Concerned Community Member

  Unfortunately parents who do not properly immunize their children are being shortsighted and selfish (putting it mildly). They think they have the right and are capable of making this decision (for their children), but they don’t understand the repercussions. They should think what may happen when they or their children C”VS get the illness or how they can effect others who have compromised immune systems. “Lo Ta’amod ‘al Dam Re’ekha”

  • Moishe

    http://www.justice.gov/usao/gan/press/2011/04-13-11.html

    The Doctor who doctored the facts

    CDC granted him Millions to “prove” that Autism is NOT caused by Vaccines

    he fabricated 21 studies & escaped with the pocket money

• S.D.R

  Thank you for posting such an important and needed article

• School

  Schools should not let children in who Re not vaccinated.

  • Rosy

    Also, children who are too young to be vaccinated are now being exposed to it, due to more and more ppl on vaccinating.

  • Moishe

    Did check if that is legal ?

• vaccination

  vaccinated children have nothing to worry about so whats the big deal?? something doesn’t add up…

  • Anonymous

    What doesn’t add up is that when more and more parents choose not to vaccinate, these preventable diseases become widespread. Infants who are not yet immunized and are more vulnerable, as well as those who are unable to be vaccinated or are immunosupressed are put at risk. Additionally, while vaccinations are largely successful, there are some that don’t offer 100% protection and when these preventable illnesses are spread because of fewer vaccinated people some people who are vaccinated will still get sick. Vaccination counts on herd immunity and with so many people opting out, this protection is disappearing. Seriously, vaccination has literally eradicated smallpox from this world – how do people still refuse to vaccinate?!

• h.y.i.

  mr Mordechai Lightstone you write -There is no connection between MMR vaccine and autism. Vaccines are safe-..any body with a computer infront of them can google the issue and realize it is not that simple

  • The Author

    Because if it’s written on the Internet, it’s true – right? Try Googling “Jews control the world” and tell me if your advice is still spot on.

    I’m talking about studies in peer reviewed medical journals – these are the gold-standard of medical truth and fiction – not the ramblings of a master herbalist . . .

  • Menachem

    A quick google search will show you that there’s clear evidence that the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine does not cause autism.

    A single discredited study from 1998 is no reason to bring us back to the stone ages.

  • fortunately

    a quick google search will show you that – as H.Y.I. said above – it’s not that simple.

  • to "author"

    You sound like the idiots who say that all peer reviewed studies substantiate man made global warming… and whoever disagrees is presenting junk science. And global warming denial is like holocaust denial. And denying global warming should be criminalized…

    Hey, some idiots here DO think denying vaccines to your children should be criminalized. Now look in the mirror and never mock the global warming alarmists again, because essentially you are them.

• Anonymous because otherwise they would attack me:)

  I vaccinate so please no yelling at me but parents who choose not to vaccinate their kids are doing under full belief that they are doing the best for their children.
  You want to say they are selfish for others is one thing but realize they believe its better for their kids than to vaccinate and not as you portray.
  A lot of them are very educated even of they have a diff opinion than above.

  • Anonymous too

    Yep, they care about their own children. They don’t care about anyone else, especially the babies who care too young to be vaccinated even though their parents would love them to.

    It is the selfishness of these “very educated” parents that cause children to get sick and die.

    That’s what Mordechai was trying to convey.

• such confidence!

  You make your statements with such confidence and certainty, Mr. Lightstone. Go speak to at least 10 mothers whose children have been irreparably damaged by vaccines and then get back to us.

  The only people swallowing anything “hook, line and sinker”, are you say, are the people blinding following the medical establishment.

  I guarantee you that at least 90%, it not more, of all non-vaccers have done an incredible amount of research. Certainly, lots of vaccers also do research. But many, many more people are blindly following their doctors, than blindly non-vaccing.

  • I would love to.

    “Go speak to at least 10 mothers whose children have been irreparably damaged by vaccines and then get back to us. ”

    I would love to but haven’t met even 1!

  • Yossi

    I work in Pediatrics and have met too many. You are in the wrong field. I cannot give names for patient confidentiality reasons but injured included: weakness (Guillain-barre), weak immune system, alopecia, mood/ personality changes, and more that never was made connection to.

    Now say I am not counted to speak my facts for some reason…

  • Anonymous too

    “Go speak to at least 10 mothers whose children have been irreparably damaged by vaccines and then get back to us.”

    Have you gone to at least 10 mothers, “such confidence?”

    And Yossi, you work in pediatrics, so you should be able to speak for the virtues of vaccines too, right? I mean, you do realize that if you worked in pediatrics 100 years ago, you’d be treating hundreds of sick kids who have measles, polio, and the like. Isn’t it better now?

    Have you made the determination, Yossi, that vaccines are dangerous? Or are they helpful? Your comments actually make me happy I don’t send my children to any pediatric wards serviced by employees named Yossi. You should know better, being in this field.

• pinchos

  Unfortunately, this mishugas of seeking non traditional methods is broader than just immunizations and includes things like not seeing an obgyn, giving birth at home and not taking antibiotics even where there is a Dr’s recommendation.

  A big portion of this attitude is due to the nishei chabad newsletter promoting alternative medicine etc. I think it is highly irresponsible of them. A disclaimer next to the article isn’t enough. We need to demand that they stop publishing these articles.

  Thank you Mottel for posting – I disagreed with you on basil but I totally agree with you now.

  • Nshei Chabad

    That is the main reason I stopped buying the Nshei Chabad Newsletter. RD should step down from pushing her agenda.

  • Oh please

    The Nshei publishes information on both sides of the debate. You see what you look for. And if you have something to add – send it in. I’m sure they’ll give it the same consideration they give to all articles.

• Thank You for writing this important article!

  Hashem gave us the tools we need to keep our bodies healthy. Let’s be level headed and understand the benefits of protecting ourselves from preventable diseases. There is so much misinformation that people are for some reason choosing to believe, even though it has been completely disproven in the scientific community, and the physician himself has disproven and been shown to have alterior motives. U’shmartem es nafshoseichem! Let’s take care of the bodies Hashem has gifted to us!

• Bubby

  I almost died of the measles as a child in the 1950s. And my great uncle died of tetanus/lockjaw shortly before his bar mitzva a century ago before tetanus shots.It’s no joke. Bh for the discovery of the vaccines. I’m afraid there are some parents who take great pride in being The Most Natural on the block and, instead of listening to the voice of
  reason, are perhaps hung up on what people will think if they vaccinate their kids, or what they will think of themselves for going against their principles. People! Wake up! I promise you don’t want blood on your hands.

• Rebbe Pro - Vaccines!

  There are many Igros Kodesh in which the Rebbe supports takening vaccines. See for example: Chelek 11, bottom of pg. 137. Chelek 14, top of pg. 426.

  • Supporter

    Only TWO letters about vaccines. And only about the polio vaccine in the 50’s. To individuals, not the klal.

  • Anonymous

    That’s likely because the klal at the time realized the importance of vaccinating and did it as they weren’t several generations removed from the horror that these preventable childhood illnesses inflicted on children. Truth is, people will see things how they want to – even if you’re smacking them in the face with proof of the opposite.

  • Moishe

    The Rebbi says found it if there is anything more safe & effective

• fortunately (for as long as it lasts in this crazy America)

  Hashem entrusted parents with caring for their children, and each is ENTITLED, yes – PRIVILEGED to care as they THINK, FEEL, RESEARCHED, EXPERIENCED ETC is best. You may not agree, but luck for us, you didn’t create the world. Different strokes for different folks.

  I’m sorry if you feel I am endangering your child by not vaccinating mine, but – and this is regardless of what anyone else in the entire world says – my life and those of my children comes first. We do what WE feel and know is best for us, BEFORE we consider what is best for you.

  Actually, my kids got sick from catching germs of vaccinated kids. Documented, proven. In my opinion (and I don’t care what you think) YOU vaxers are endangering the rest of the population by keeping those darn germs around.

  Vaccines are a)not safe and b)not effective.

  If you choose to inject yourself and your kids with junk, you’ll deal with the consequences. At least you’ll have the doctor to blame it on, but don’t try suing the vaccine company, they’re protected by the government from lawsuits. You’ll have to try your luck in the vaccine court.

  Listen, do yourself a favor and research a LOT. Ultimately, if you still choose to vaccinate, fine, but at least you’ll be INFORMED — and not by your doctor — and you’ll know what you’re in for.

  And hehe (Sorry if this tics you off, I am super confident in my choices), I don’t see ob-gyns, have had 3 home births – ah mechayeh – (plus some hospital ones, which led to the former), have kids with no allergies and no ear infections, we’ve never given antibiotics, nor tylenol or painkillers. We keep a chemical-free home (how much red#40 has your family ingested over Purim?)…..

  Boruch Hashem for our knowledge. And we thank Him all the time for our good health.

  We should all be gezunt uhn shtark. Lechaim.

  • Supporter

    Applause!

  • Anonymous

    Oh, get off you high horse! I do feel that you are endangering other people’s children by not vaccinating yours. And I kind of do feel that you should be held accountable if your child transmitted a vaccine preventable illness to my infant – but I’m sure that’s up to HaShem to figure that out. I’m sure A LOT of your research comes from peer reviewed studies that follow scientific method to rule out any possible interference. Oh wait, they don’t, because anti-vaccinators don’t do peer reviewed studies – they create web sites with conspiracy theories abound.
    Guess what? B”h, my six vaccinated children have no allergies, nor do they get ear infections, asthma, autism and all the things that anti-vaccinators are sure children get from vaccines. And I would tell you now – I would gladly have to deal with those issues than an actual death of a child that could be prevented with a simple shot if I had to choose between them. And by the way – what is this proof that your children caught germs from vaccinated children? All children carry germs – for many viruses and illnesses that have nothing to do with vaccines. And if you are saying that your children caught a vaccination preventable illness from vaccinated children, then you could have protected them with vaccinations and they would have been much less susceptible. Your poor decision, combined with this decision made by many other paranoid parents will ultimately lead to the death of other children, even if you don’t see it happen.

  • Yossi

    Well said. You speak from experience while other preach Big Pharma.

  • fortunately

    “And if you are saying that your children caught a vaccination preventable illness from vaccinated children, then you could have protected them with vaccinations and they would have been much less susceptible.”

    What a load of gibberish. Instead of fixing the bridge, build a hospital to take care of the casualties.

    ” And I kind of do feel that you should be held accountable if your child transmitted a vaccine preventable illness to my infant”

    But it doesn’t bother you in the slightest when your vaccinated kid sheds an illness to my unvaccinated kid.

  • Anonymous

    Seriously not understanding the bridge metaphor there. All I know is that the casualties would start if everyone decided not to vaccinate. You are counting on everyone else vaccinating their children so your kids have a much smaller chance of being exposed to any of the vaccine preventable illnesses. It’s incredibly inconsiderate to other people’s families. Your actions affect other people.

  • Anonymous too

    Germs that are documented and proven? Please share this complete meshuganus…I don’t buy it for a second.

    Let me share some education:
    “Most vaccines contain a little bit of a disease germ that is weak or dead. Vaccines do NOT contain the type of germ that makes you sick. Some vaccines do not contain any germs.”
    from http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/im/vs-sv/vs-faq01-eng.php

    Those “germs” affect no one but the person being vaccinated. Please stop spreading misinformation. I assume it was documented by Yossi who should be fired from his job in pediatrics from his extremely dangerous opinions here.

  • Amused Observer

    Vaccines aren’t effective?? Tell that to Smallpox – oh, wait, you can’t since it was eradicated due to vaccination. Other diseases have been dramatically curtailed as well thanks to vaccinations.

    As a population, injecting ourselves with “junk” (your word) has eliminated a lot of sickness. Do you want to go back to a world of iron lungs and premature deaths? I don’t, and greatly appreciate getting to deal with the actual consequence of vaccination – a vastly healthier world.

    Your “research” doesn’t seem to have informed you particularly well.

• fortunately (continued - one more point)

  I know that it is very frustrating not to be able to get me to do what you want me to do (with all your proofs from here there and everywhere, medical and otherwise), but I AM NOT YOURS TO CONTROL.

  • The Author

    Indeed you not. If you want to drive your car into a cluster of little kids as they leave school, there is little I can do to stop you there as well.

    You have free choice. That’s why the aibershter asks uv’charta b’chaim. Stop irresponsibly hurting the klal.

  • fortunately

    Except that in MY understanding – which I am entitled to by default just by having been born into a world which Hashem created for people to have FREE CHOICE – through my research and experience, YOU are the one who is irresponsibly hurting the klal.

    Just because most of the world thinks the emperor has no clothes on, it doesn’t mean it is so.

    I don’t care WHO has “proven” vaccines to be safe and effective. Government, doctors, whatever. They hold no esteem in my eyes, as LIVING MY LIFE, with my experiences has proven otherwise.

• New School

  PUT ALL THE KIDS THAT DON’T GET VACCINATED IN A NEW SCHOOL SO THEY CAN ALL BE IN 1 PLACE.
  OT, ULY, BR AND BM SHOULD GET THE COURAGE TO SHUT THE DOOR ON ALL UN-VACCINATED STUDENTS, THERE SHOULD BE NO EXCEPTIONS ALLOWED.

  • Amen!

    Well said. Now, if only the administrations would have the beitzim to do this…

  • Incredible

    CHAS VESHALOM lomar l’bas yisroel shedalsos Beis Rivkah Sguros lah! Those are the Rebbe’s holy words! WHere do you come off closing the doors to hundreds of Jewish children? Has someone in Ohalei Torah just died from Polio?? Is there any reason at all for this hysteria? Have we all lost our minds? Or is this the new Chabad? (Chabad in a kind of ironic use of the term?)

  • Moishe

    If the vax “protects” your kid why r u so scared the unvaxed kid will harm them

    Moide bemuktas ( it sometimes won’t work)
    chayov b’shvu’o ( prove that it ever did )

• Vaccifascists

  You idiots believe everything that the fda tells you like it’s coming direct from god. You want to ignore the quite substantial amount of people that believe it DOES cause maladies, fine, but leVe us alone

  • The Author

    Please show ONE study in a peer reviewed medical journal as evidence outside of the debunked one Wakefield for The Lancet.

    Please.

• Hindy Lewis

  I put my name to show this is true. My baby was in the hospital & as mothers in such places tend to chat together, one woman asked me to go visit her son. I peered through a glass window at a comatose 15 year old in a diaper. He had caught measles, & the virus had spread to his brain. Rare….but certainly not unheard of.

  She begged me to vaccinate my baby & even though there was never a doubt, I assured her I would. I clearly remember the absolute misery of having measles as a child. And I carry the image of this boy with me to this day, 35 years later.

  For those non-vaxers – you have the right to vax or not. BUT (& it is a big BUT) YOU EXPOSE ALL OTHER CHILDREN TO THE VIRUS: children who are too young or too ill to be vaccinated, but in an epidemic, they are vulnerable. Same goes for chicken pox – you think it’s cute to have CP parties to spread joy, fun & the virus. Did you know that the CP virus lies dormant for many years & some people develop shingles, a particularly horrible illness that can & does last for months., Old people get shingles, right? Err – usually. But my 7 year old granddaughter got shingles and was screaming in agony while it lasted. HER mother caught CP twice & needed surgery because the pox were in her ears & made her deaf.

  Bottom line: Measles is a very serious disease. It kills. CP can be the gift that keeps on giving in many forms. Not vaccinating is selfish, not only to your own family, but to others’. Of course vaccines are potentially problematic, but when you weigh up the possible (& I mean possible) problems v. the realities of these diseases & their after affects, I don’t think there is a choice. And BTW, I never gave my kids the triple MMR vaccine; I gave it in separate shots. Does the triple cause autism? I don’t know, but that was an easy compromise. After the first shot, the kids didn’t notice the other two.

  Lastly: NY, being the PC capital of the world, allows families with “religious objections” to avoid vaxing & their kids can go to school. It’s about time this ridiculous consideration was removed & that vaccinations become mandatory UNLESS a doctor will lay his reputations on the line & advise against it in rare cases.

  • Supporter

    My daughter got shingles and there was no agonized screaming…? She was 4 years old.

    Please understand, chicken-pox-parties are not for sharing the virus with those who don’t want it, but rather those who DO. Also, give us at least the benefit of believing that we keep our sick kids home…!!

  • Guess what?

    There are other mothers whose kids are comatose and in a diaper at 15 BECAUSE of the vaccine!

  • The Author

    Dear Guess,
    That’s anecdotal information. Correlation does not equal causation. I drank a cup of coffee and then saw that someone got married online. Amazing! My cup of coffee has solved the shiduch crises!

  • Anonymous too

    LOL Mottel, that was good.

• the other side

  http://vaxtruth.org/2011/08/vaccines-do-not-cause-autism/

  • Anonymous

    Your site proves nothing. Honestly, if you were to line up the vaccinated children nest to the unvaccinated children, the only difference would be that the unvaccinated children are highly more susceptible to vaccine preventable diseases.

  • fortunately

    “anyonymous” — and you know this, how??

• CH Homeowner

  People who don’t immunize are relying on ‘herd immunity’ — since most of the people in their environment have been vaccinated, the statistical probability of THEIR child being exposed to the pathogen is greatly reduced. But herd immunity only works until a critical number of the ‘herd’ don’t immunize. This is both a personal health issue/ risk as well as a public health issue.

  • Supporter

    Actually, herd immunity doesn’t apply to vaccines. It applies to those who are IMMUNE, not simply VACCINATED. Vaccinated people can also contract disease.

• Pregnant Woman

  I am Pregnant and although I have immunize myself and my children, I have LOST immunity during pregnancy!!
  Those parents who neglect to immunize themselves and their children put me and my UNBORN CHILD at RISK!!

  • fortunately

    pg woman –
    having the disease affords lifelong immunity. so much for the EFFECTIVENESS of vaccines.

• Mendel

  Dr. Rosen tells anyone who asks, that he has vaccinated his children and grandchildren.
  As a physician he has access to the latest research as well as the internet. And if you know Dr. Rosen, than you also know that he is very open to alternative medicine.
  And he chooses to vaccinate.

• Please Vaccinate

  My good friend will not vaccinate as she has been convinced that vaccinations cause autism. I have a newborn baby who has not been vaccinated. Should I now let her come over shabbos afternoon with her unvaccinated children? . If measles are going around could it be possible that her children can spread the disease to my newborn. Yes it is possible. I have no choice, but to not let her come over until my baby has been vaccinated, Why should I let my baby be exposed to a disease that has once again reared its ugly head.

  • Supporter

    If your child does not yet have a healthy immune system, you shouldn’t let anyone be around them. Vaccinated people can shed the disease without being symptomatic.

• The people who don't vaccinate

  Those who don’t vaccinate their children should sign their names so people can avoid catching measles from them.

  • huh?

    People who don’t vaccinate are no more likely to be carrying the disease than those who were. You can carry the disease even if you’re vaccinated. You just won’t get sick from it yourself.

• thank you

  great article.

• fortunately...

  Selfish?? Oh, so the reason you gave your kids shots has nothing to do with (your perception of) their safety – only “herd immunity”?! You could’ve just given the mmr all at once!

  Or maybe you DID have your kids’ best interest in mind and what you felt was best for them, as do we….even if our idea of what is best for our kids is the opposite of yours.

  • Anonymous

    When people vaccinate their children, the best interest for everyone else’s children goes into that shot. Its when people only focus on what they feel is best for their own children and do not take into account how the decision affects other children, that is when the rate in preventable diseases increases and the innocent victims – those who are too young to be vaccinated – suffer.

  • fortunately

    and that is your view. and the medical view. and THERE ARE OTHER OPINIONS.

• Schools should not admit kids

  who are not vaccinated in order to ,protect pregnant
  teachers. I know of a teacher who miscarried r”l and
  one whose child was born hearing impaired. These
  were both attributed to exposure to unvaccinated kids
  who got the disease while in her class. It’s not just
  the days of the breakout, but before and after that it
  is transmittable. Kudos to Dr. Rosen for being into
  alternative treatments, and knowing when to do
  standard practices, and to Hindy Lewis forb her post.

  • fortunately

    pretty funny. like the headlines the other day that screamed “75% of flu sufferers are asymptomatic” implying to get the flu shot, this way you can suffer your symptoms instead of suffering without them (huh??)

• SEREL CHANA MANESS

  IT’S UNFORTUNATE,THAT PEOPLE ONLY SEE THESE 2 WAYS,IF YOU HAVE A DR WHO’S WILLING TO USE HOMEOPATHIC,YOUR CHILDREN WILL BE SAFE AS THIS HAS BEEN AROUND 200 YEARS,WISHING YOU ALL THE BEST

  • The Author

    Of course, because with an average life expectancy in the 40s, high infant mortality rate and good chance that women would die in childbirth, life was swell. I mean, who cares if your a cripple for life because of polio, at least there’s no big pharma, right?

    Let’s be frank, you only have the liberty to believe conspiracy theories and reject modern science because you live a world where modern science, led by people blessed by the Aibershter (many of them yidden) have helped rid us of these diseases. Anyone who lived through these plagues thanked G-d for the blessings that medicine brought.

    Simply put: You’re a spoiled brat.

  • Amused Observer

    If you have a doctor who is willing to use homeopathy . . . find another doctor.

• To #32

  I am glad your daughter didn’t suffer. MY granddaughter did. If you want a spitting-in-the-wind contest about which kid is toughter/braver/healthier, sorry, I’ll pass.

  I will say this: yes, different experiences for different people. But that does not negate the fact that people who spread these fatal diseases (measles CAN & DOES kill!) because they refuse to vax are responsible for what happens to other people. And let’s not forget their own. I’m glad you are able to sit back & not be upset about seeing your own children (& obviously, other kids) in pain…oh, I forget, they don’t suffer. No itching, no tingling, nothing. Lucky them. That’s OK, then.

• more complicated

  Vaccinations are a lot more complicated than you think Mr lightstone. I think you do a great disservice by telling people there is only one way but the highway. Vaccines have yet to be proven 100% safe. There are many vaccines that have negative side affects or are not necessary but parents (who do not educate themselves) give it to their children anyhow for sake of society.

  Vaccines, like the MMR include: cow fetus serum chick embryo proteins DNA and protein fragments of human fetal cells and glutamate. MMR is a triple live virus vaccine and has the most reported negative side effects, which include symptoms mimicking the disease as well as several neurological complications.

  There is a balance. Do I think there should be no vaccines? Of course not. Parents should consider alternative vaccination schedule and educating oneself on each vaccine being given.

  As a parent, I have the responsibility to make sure what goes in my child’s body is safe. And you cannot expect parents to choose to “sacrifice” the health of their child for the better of society.

  I highly recommend Dr. Sears The Vaccine Book to all parents. It is completely middle ground and only gives you facts about each vaccine. After reading it you can at least be informed to make the right decision.

  Don’t abuse what the Rebbe said to fit your idea of what a Doctor is. There are many Doctors, homeopathic, chinese etc. They are Doctors and healers as well.

• It is the Law!

  “Dina demalchusa dina” this is halacha! The law of
  New York City is that every child must have at least
  one of each immunization before they enter school.
  The Yeshivos have no right to keep children in school
  if they are missing any of the immunizations required
  by the NYC Health Department. The only children allowed to attend school that were not immunized are
  those that received a religious exemption. You can only receive a religious exemption if your child never
  received any immunization. If your child has a religious exemption and there is even one child in his/her class that breaks out with an infectious disease the child that was not immunized must stay
  home, until it is certain that the child did not acquire
  the disease. (Usually about a month). Let us not
  argue about immunications, when its the law!

  • Moishe

    “Dina demalchusa dina
    1. Pizza is a vegetable will you eat it for karpas on Passover

    http://www.google.com/#as_qdr=all&q=pizza+school+lunch+vegetable&safe=active

    2.CDC director says MBP Kills children
    do you TRUST him

    http://metzitzahbpehinfo.blogspot.com/2012/09/jewish-voice-chareidi-opposition-to.html

    3. Tuberculosis & black plague no longer endanger entire communities with NO mass vaccinations.

    With all do respect a smart person like you should do your own thinking & not buy their “bube meises”

• Dallas

  Chicken Pox Parties????? Does this really go on??? I can’t believe what I just read! Having a party to infect children!!!! G-D FORBID!!!! Sounds like something straight out of a Nazi Death Camp. How disgusting and revolting! Please tell me you were exaggerating to make a point…thinking Chasidim of the Holy Rebbe do such a cruel, cruel thing!!! I am literally shaking.. People who do this belong on a leper colony..

  • Ignorance

    Dallas – clearly you know nothing about the Nazi death camps.

    Until recently, everyone had chicken pox. It is uncomfortable, annoying for parents who can’t take off work and don’t have alternate arrangements, but that’s about it. It’s very rarely serious when had a child.

    So people who choose not to give the chicken pox vaccine want their kids to have it as kids, rather than as adults – when it’s much more uncomfortable, and the likelihood of complications rises. Most people would prefer their kids to have it as young children, and many will vaccinate if the kid hasn’t had it by the time they’re a teenager.

    These “parties” are just playdates, to give kids the opportunity to naturally contract a normal childhood illness. That’s it.

• LR

  I’m sure everyone agrees to immunize their kids… Just what they put in the vaccines today is revolting. Yup, I immunize slowly cuz I believe in the concept. Wish they made organic or healthier versions how they were made originally for George Washingtonian army.

• Dr. Thomas Levy

  Ask Dr. Rosen if he has studied the work of Dr. Klenner.
  If he has, he’s more credible than I realize.
  If he hasn’t, he doesn’t know squat about how to deal with polio.. no wonder he supports vaccines (since he knows no other way).

  If you want to honestly stand by your opinion, first go through all the medical journals mentioned below. If you dont, *you* are speaking irresponsibly.

  Tune in especially to minutes 9 – 11.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1kD3BolXnE

• Michael Savage on vaccines

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZoDdBxx7Z4

  • The Author

    Listen to his comments about Metzitzah Baal Peh, then quote his gaonos to me.

  • Michael Savage on vaccines

    Hey genius. What’s your point? The CDC who is the forefront and impetus of vaccination also is heavily anti metzitza.

    You sound like someone, who after telling him that I’m pro Russia, he responded; “if you like Russia so much, go move there”. Of course he was unwilling to move to Ukraine, but I have to move to Russia if I take their side.

• bob unger

  Go ahead guys, just jump in the showers, it is really water, not gas. Typical Jewish thinking, ”whateva the massa done tell me, I wil do. Yavol commandante.” Why not read the research of all the MDs and other professionals who have a contrarian view, and do a little research on the negative aspects of vaccination. Of course not, “the state uber alles”.

  • Moishe

    If Hashem wanted us to get vaccines how come we don’t get it in mothers milk

    Are you telling him he created a faulty design

    Have forgotten the time when Doctors driven by BIG business ,convinced mother that man made formula is better than G-D made nursing ?

• YOU DON'T KNOW EVEN 1 MOTHER?

  That’s because why would any mother whose child suffered terrible, often long-term, consequences from the VACCINE ever talk to YOU openly about it when you would come back and deny it? It’s hard enough for her to swallow and live with the fact that her child is a changed person and that it coudl’ve been prevented. It would only make it that much harder if you turned around so coldheartedly and said to her, “I don’t believe you that it’s connected to the vaccine you gave; it’s only anectodal.” And THAT my friend is the reason why you don’t know even one.

  Be a little more openminded and you will start to see the damage everywhere rachmono litzlan!!

  • The Author

    The issue isn’t anecdotal evidence from mothers. The issue is scientific study.

  • Anonymous too

    Do you realize how misinformed this comment is? This is a tight knit insular community. Everyone knows from the beginning. Remember, siblings talk.

    I bet you don’t know any mothers either.

• no one special

  I would suggest that the parents of a child who dies or is disabled by any disease for which there is a vaccine which they refused, should have criminal charges brought against them.
  “Magical thinking” should not be imposed on innocent children.

• Moishe

  Government list of Millions awarded to the few who got compensated for vaccine injury or death

  http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/statisticsreports.html#Claims

• Moishe

  Government list of Millions awarded to the few who got compensated for vaccine injury or death

  Did know even know you can file a gov claim & NEVER sue the drug co or the MD

  http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/statisticsreports.html#Claims

  • Amused Observer

    From your own link, over 1000 of the 1300 VICP compensable claims were settled; sometimes (frequently?) settling a claim can be cheaper than fighting even when there is no fault involved.

    Even granting all 1300 compensable claims are all directly due to the vaccine, however, that’s still well under *1 in 1,000,000* vaccinations. Is that an unacceptable risk for the elimination of smallpox and dramatic curtailment of other diseases? You know, diseases which used to kill and cripple millions?

    Let’s repeat that number: less than 1 in 1,000,000. What do you suppose the risk is driving your child to school, to the playground, or even walking to the corner store? Work those numbers out for a one-year period, let alone a lifetime, and then let’s see how much you want to complain about the risk from vaccines.

• Make some money...

  $500 paid to you to find an MD to debate an anti vaccine MD in public. call 212-444-1195

  • Moishe

    Better chance to win the lottery than finding an MD with guts, they are big-shots with only you in private.

    Put them to a real challenge & watch them chicken out.

    Can you please list all the “smart” excuses you get for not debating ?

  • curious

    did anyone find a medical doctor willing to debate a non-patient?

• Ingredients

  Vaccines your children get now are not the same pure ingredients WE had as children. They’re full of toxins and fillers that do irreparable harm; with ingredients of metals, animal products, and much worse. Do your research please. Many innocent parents have documented tragic outcomes right after shots. Learning disabilities, uncontrollable behaviors, paralysis,spiked fevers, etc. We want to think the most favorable about this subject, but there is too much overwhelming, factual and documented evidence that you are taking a risk of altering your child’s alertness, intelligence, and health-contrary to your original intention.

• Fan of Mordechai

  I’m normally a fan but Mordechai you have no knowledge or expertise in this area… Studies of groups who don’t vaccinate (e.g. tens of thousands of Amish) have proven that vaccines are a major contributor to the high rate of autism today (1 in 140 children at last count)… There is no reason that we’re giving children more and more vaccines today – do they really need chicken pox vaccine (we all got chicken pox as youngsters). Think for yourselves folks and don’t just be a yes-man/woman to your doctor and big pharmaceuticals who’re becoming wealthy at the expense of our dear children.
  B”H we haven’t vaccinated our 4 young children due to our research….

  • coincident

    Thousands of innocent babies die of “sids right after a vax its a “coincidence”

    Doctor Meyer Eisenstein has 10s of 1,000 unvaxed kids 0 autism, by “:coincidence”

    ask parents who have a older vaxed kids & younger unvaxed how much healthier the unvaxed are
    oh that’s just A….er….ahem….coincidence