102 Comments

• Earplugs

  No argument from me and I live a block away. The noise is insane and the mess the next day……

• tired

  You read my mind!

• What a chutzpah!!!!

  the rebbe said they should dance all night, you have a problem with that?
  why is any different then ppl living in the Congo for the rebbeh or drinking water in a rainy sukkah?
  I cant believed they published this article

• chaim

  stop complaining! when our nonjewish neighbors play music all night we don’t make a word. People are responsible what time they go to bed…

• Cinderella after 12

  YES!!! I AGREE!!! There should be a time limit. Also with farbrangens happening in sukkos, they are very nice, however when the singing wakes up my baby at 2 and then 3 in the morning it is not fair.

• nonsense

  you obviously hate the entire SBH for whatever reason or maybe you dont even live in crown heights and are just writing it in a away so people will read it

  You write you live close to kingston ave? well then if you close your window you will not hear anything past 1 AM
  The speakers go down a notch at 1AM and as someone that lives 4 doors down from kingston on montgomery i can tell you i dont hear anything. and you say that your bed shakes?

  This is not even worth answering since you are lying and obviously have another motive for this article

• An apikoires

  The public dancing should be from 8-10 after that it should continue a whole night in 770. If tirche ditziburo is valid for lessor things certainly 100’s of families should not have to suffer babies being up a whole night. It would also avoid many other michshoilim vchu.

• bed is shaking like the drummer

  your bed is shaking like the drummer? where do you live? because i live on the corner of montgomery and kingston on the third floor of the building and when i close my windows i dont hear anything and my wife and kids all have a good sleep. so it must be the guy living on top of you not the outside music

• agreed...

  the music should stop at 12. the dancing should go on all night!

• wrong on so many levels

  the fact that you try to give every reason not to have SBH shows there is something wrong with you!

• Simchas Bais Hashoeva

  The rebbe Reminded us that at bais hamikdash the did not even have the taste of sleep on the nights of Sukkos.
  but i think that you are right and the dancing should go on all night without the loud music. just like the simchas torah celebration dance and sing without the load music.

• I am not looking to cause a stir

  Before I finished reading the 1st line I could tell the intent of the article

• Too late

  There are many other things that would keep you ‘sleepless in the Shchuna’

• Sara

  Couldn’t agree with you more.

  The darn drummer plays that base which raises my heart rate.

  You need music that can be heard in all of Crown Heights?

• Em

  I agree. I woke up somewhere around 5am and the music was still playing…and I could hear it all the way from Empire!

• Its not too late

  Things can change. There are many times when the Rebbe was clear that activities and orchuim should be sensitive to the Toishvim of the Shchuna such as Yud Aleph Nissan Shnas Hashmoinim

• very true

  i think they should change it to 2pm for 1 hour in 770 this way it wont bother anybody, and it wont close the street off traffic.

  NOT!

• Outsider

  The Rebbe wanted “Uforatzta” – breaking out, as expressed in dancing in the street. (The same when he sometimes motioned for people to whistle at a farbrengen.)

  Now dancing outside has become the norm, and changing it would (in the eyes of many) be considered a “breaking down” of the norm. (Whistling has become acceptable anywhere anytime, and when asked I have often had the reply “The Rebbe….”.)

• anon

  i think what you are saying wont go anywhere as i was at simchas beis yesterday and i saw HUNDREDS of people enjoyin it. yes, it lasts all night – DEAL WITH IT!

• Our Rebbe

  Well, our dear Rebbe said that we should dance the whole night in the streets. Our dear Rebbe also said that there should be Live music.

  So, I guess you are out of luck this time around.

  Although luckily for you, its only three nights you have to “nebach” suffer (tuesday night anyways ends at 1am)

• A concerned mom

  HI Sleepless,
  I am wondering, is the late hour ur real concern? Mine is the garbage that goes on, girls that are 14 and even younger dressed to show off everything they are supposed to keep hidden. The guys who were walking around with piercings, forget yarmulkas. What about the people who have so little self respect, that they were imitating bedroom behaviors on the street for all to see, just so that they can get some attention?
  As to your concern on the late, I am thinking,, Our Rebbe wanted the dancing to go till the morning. I think they can lower the volume, and make the music more Chasidish, that way the people who come, are actually there lishma,,,,,

• modern jew

  I think we should tell all rhese fanatical ultra orthadox jews to go back to poland they have no business doing all of their grand rabbis instructions in our naighborhood!……
  or better yet
  why don’t you leave crown height and let chassidim celebrate the way the rebbe insructed.

• Chani

  Love the pic u posted with the article!!

• with you all the way

  I agree with you.they should make it till 1 am an then either stop or continue in 770. It would be very menchlach and ahavas isroldike (not to mention derech eretz towards the goyim)to do it that way, or why not make it lechatchile in 770 or any large indoor place!!

• Whole different problem

  I also live very close to Kingston Avenue, and understand you completely. We also have to get to work, and are kept up late. My issue is something else, though. I could live with all the music, etc until all hours, even until dawn, but the shmutz and hanging out on the outskirts of the actual dancing is painful to see. The young people that drink, cause fights, and the pritzus that occurs on the side streets is terrible. My children (teens) love to go to the dancing, but cringe when they have to pass the horrible scenes to get there.
  Not sure what can be done, but I think that’s a more dangerous issue than losing some sleep. It also shleps in our own kids, and validates bad behavior.
  Some friends get earplugs, turn on their air conditioners (even if it’s cold out), or buy a white noise machine.

• No Respect

  This lack of consideration for others did not just start with Simchas Bais, what about those of us being tortured by neighbors or children who live in the apartments above us, stomping running, bouncing pounding…day and night or the parents who sit in shul on the most holiest day of the year without any supervision for their kids, allowing them to run amouk, running, screaming, yelling and fighting apparently not concerned that you can’t do what you came there to do…daven to Hashem. If we are not bringing our children to shul to teach them what we do in shul and how to behave why bring them? If we can not teach them respect and consideration for others in shul why in the world would anyone care about keeping working people, mothers and babies up all night. Look around our community just like the rest of society, we have a break down on manners, middos, just plain common decency and respect for each other.

• kol

  I do feel that the neighbors may have an issue with it, but otherwise, better to be dancing with each other, its succos

• Be happy

  It’s good the Rebbe didn’t say dance every night for a month guaranteed people would do it no matter what problems it would cause.

• deal with it

  I wouldn’t believe it if you told me you didn’t know about SBH when you actually moved in. If this is a problem for you, there is plenty of housing available that is not within earshot of the noise.

• move

  this is what the community wants does and did for hundreds of years, if you dont like it move out!

• Simcha Poretz Geder

  All you whiners & complainers All don’t really give a darn what The Rebbe wants etc. When the half naked 7 more blacks etc. prance around Eastern Parkway labor day& there is real danger from bullets etc. no one says a word when all the other stuff goes on you stay quiet but doing what the Rebbe wants & you complain?? there are those with valid concerns about manner of dress hanging out.Those are supposed to be dealt with BY Yisroel Shemtov & the police.As for Manner of dress Tznius you the parents are responsible for teaching your children properly including how to dress if that is your daughter or your neighbor’s open your mouth do your job

• leah

  I totally agree with the article.
  As someone who lives near kingston and has to be up for work at 6am I cannot understand how this is allowed.

• Negativity

  I don’t understand, where does all this negativity come from? it’s ironic to watch people who consider themselves so open and accepting of others lash out so predictably and often. Everyone is an expert on what the Rebbe wants. The writer of this article was just stating a point, and he even came up with a solution (indoors). If you disagree with his opinion that’s fine. But hearing the way some people respond here makes me embarrassed to be lubavitch.

  And I’m sure I can say that the Rebbe would feel the same way, right? why not bring him into this argument too, that’ll make a real chossid out of me! Truth belongs to the one who shouts Rebbe louder….

• devora

  guys stop complaning it only a few days of the year!!!!! goshh

• good idea

  Gezzel shaina is a halachic offence. Stoppage of music to allow yidden to sleep is a good idea especially since the dancing could continue w/o music.

• ?????????????

  This almost sounds like those in the times of “Mihu Yehudi” (which the writer of this article probably doesn’t know what that means) when the whole Knesset in Israel said “why do we need a proper geirus to make someone a Jew?? etc. well, they obviously don’t know that the one who made Jewdesem – g-d – decided whose a Jew and who is not. only there, they were non practicing Jews, so i don’t blame them for their ignorance. but here (the writer of the article and 25 LUBAVITCHERS, commenting)consider themselves practicing Lubavitchers, PLEASE, just give a peek and i say again just a peek at the sichois EVERY NIGHT OF SUKKOS FROM 5741-5752,11 FULL YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND SEE WHAT THE REBBE SAYS ABOUT DANCING THE ENTIRE NIGHT ALL THE WAY TILL THE MORNING, WITH FULL MUSIC ETC. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc…….
  JUST ONE LAST THING: even if you didn’t know before, you should at least ask around or look it up yourselves before u post a whole op-ed!!….
  i don’t want to be so harsh, but, similar complaints came from a person in Israel about every little thing that the rebbe did and it cosed alot of ”agmas nefesh” to the rebbe…..
  and chutzpa is not he word that they put up this article…

• Compromise

  I think they can still dance all night but at a certain point they should turn off the music or at least lower it.

• Don-t Blame the Rebbe

  For all those saying that the Rebbe said that this should take place, I think it is very clear that the Rebbe would be against the late blaring music, the Rebbe was against doing things when it bothered people.

  Don’t do your ‘Hidur Mitzvah’ ‘Af Yenems Cheshbon’.

• HElp!

  It’s not all or nothing. Yes, the dancing all night is beautiful, and the music is nice too. But I cannot imagine why the volume needs to be at the level it is. I’m a mother of young children, tons of guests, and a daytime job. It’s easy to say that a little less sleep is not so terrible, but those same people who are dancing are t he ones who want breakfast (at 1pm) and lunch (at 5pm) and then supper (at 9pm)! I don’t want the music to stop. But I do HATE the bass drumming my very kishkes! There’s no need for that. No need for that volume level. Can’t we prevail upon Shemtov to just turn it down so that the dancers can dance, but without the primitive, shvartze-style, kishke churning drumbeat???

• Dance the night away with consideration

  #3, you are the chutzpadik one. You can all dance all night just like the rebbe says but must it be outdoors all night? Why cant everyone move to 770 or their own shuls to continue farbrenging and dancing. Kingston Avenue is a public place in a residential neighborhood. Would you like the labor day parade to go on for a week? Dance the night away just do it in a respectful way to other people. After 1am, maybe its time to consider them. And by the way I dont live near the music but I really can sympathize with them anyway.

• sleepless on Montgomery St

  I live on Montgomery between Kingston and Abany. Last night at some point, it may have been 4 A.M., the sound was lowered somewhat. But the heavy bass, like a pile driver banging into the earth at a construction site, was not adjusted. It was very disturbing. This year seems louder than years’ past.

  The only people the all night non-stop music seems to service are the hordes of bochurim and girls, frequently unsupervised, that have descended upon us.

• Rivka

  Yes it may be loud and disturbing, but in your own house you can surely close windows, put on some ear plugs and manage…
  it is far worse to live in a goyish area and be up all night from the loud music and noises of the goyish holidays. Be bsimcha it is Succot and in honor of our yom tov and we are fulfilling the Rebbe’s wishes. To make it look negative is not right.

• DaasTorah

  Gezel Shaina.

• Moshe Pipik

  Amazing article! We should also push off shabbos for sunday as it will be more convenient!!!

• abba

  Maybe sleep by a relative for those few nights?

• To Everyone:

  Lubavitch is getting sicker by the day. Stop quoting the rebbe and start thinking for yourselves; we don’t live in a cult. In simple words it’s unfair for people who have to wake up in the morning to be subjagated to this.

  By the Labor day parade everyone is up in arms about the event that they do, and that is only for one day, but when we do this and for eight days/nights all the sudden everyone is defending. To finish with a question what would our response be if the blacks or the yuppies did the exact same thing for eight nights?

• yankel

  To commenter #36 ??????????????????????Wrote,
  Are you trying to hint that dancing on Kingston will go the way the Mihu Yehudi Campaign went?

• SBS fan

  SBS is one of the things that made me a Lubavitcher.

  I’m older now and have too many memories to enjoy it as I once did, and all I do is pass by when I’m in CH for YT, but the show must go on.

  Earplugs and a glass of chamomile tea will help you go to sleep if you need to.

  Taking away simchas Yom Tov from others might give you 11 months of unrestful sleep in a very hot place after 120.

• i cant hear u

  music at most events is too loud, in the streets, at weddings, the young people have alreaey lost their hearing so they turn in up,

• chelax

  it’s only a few days a year, whats the difference?

• wow

  if you dont like it move and stop finding probloms with every thing, by the way you dont sound like a chasid

• Let-s show them!

  Yeah we can show those goys we can party louder then they can! Bring in more speakers and make them louder so they can be heard all over Brooklyn like the shabbos siren!

  While we are at it lets make fires in the street and dance around them with painted faces. Let’s show them we Jews no how to celebrate the louder the better!!

• you

  u sound like a real loser!!!!!!!!!!!!

• To #6

  That’s not true they do not turn the music down enough that if you close the window you won’t hear it bec I live on union and hear it with my window closed!

• bring ur Kapota to work?

  Did u get a Heter to work in the first place on Chol Hamoed?

• hoping for a Yeshua!

  Although the noise is often annoying, and as a mother, I am very concerned about my teenagers’ lack of sleep, I still think it should go on…I only hope they would have some sort of vaad hamisader making sure this is done in a more tzniusdik way. To all you people quoting the Rebbe-I don’t think he would approve of the way we are doing it. I went one night, and was turned off by the whole thing. I used to do those all-nighters myself 25+ years ago when I was a teenager, but things were a lot different back then. I was so proud of Crown Heights and what we were doing. And now,I’m ebarrassed of our shchuna! Boro Park had a beautiful SBH without the mingling and people dressed appropriately. I wish I can say that again for Crown Heights.

• yossi

  all u big defenders (as if the rebba needs u all to defend him)did u do everything else the rebba wants .like learning chitas going on mivtzoim like mivtza lulav learning chassidus every day davening with a minyon etc. if u did all of this and more then i can listen to u if not keep quiet.

• Say L-Chaim

  Why are people worried about going to work? Who works anyway during chol hamoed? And besides, if people are tired enough they’ll sleep through anything.

• a ch resident

  being that i no longer on that side of town i cant complain about the music being too loud ass i dont hear it.

  however, i do agree that the sound should go down a notch after a set time – ie, midnight – but not stopped.

  the rebbe did write about the dancing in the streets and that everyone should attend, and to honor the rebbe is why we still live here and abide by his teaching.

  be b’simcha

• SC

  the hanging out by corners and in streets and teens dressing not tznius is disgusting! jewish communities from all over come to CH for Simchas Bais and for them to have to see this is not right! something needs to be done about that! every single year this happens and I am surprised nothing has been done about it already. the sleepless nights should be the worst problem.

• stupid article

  Haha, Just hook up a fan near your bed that makes a lot of noise, and go to sleep, TRUST ME IT TAKES OUT ALL THE NOISE, I’VE GOT MORE THAN ENOUGH EXPERIENCE.

• to 54

  what lies, I live on Montgomery a block away, and even with my window open I hardly hear it like a distant thing, your telling me you hear it on union st,

• CMN

  I believe that Simchas Beis Hashuevah is such a special time. Yes, it is crazy that it goes on till a crazy hour, but since when are we the average normal People? :)
  We do crazy and meaningful things that give us power for the rest of the year. There’s so much we can complain about, but why not just focus on the good side of it?
  Yes, it’s late and noisy, but maybe we can make an exception for those 4 nights (max)?

• Lets be considerate

  While you may agree or disagree with the point made in this article I think we can all agree that this is a Lubavitcher neighborhood and as Lubavitchers we are great at Ahavas Yisroel, accepting people and understanding them, I’m sure we can find a way to make people happy, either by stopping the music at a reasonable hour or lowering it, or perhaps moving it indoors at a some point.
  Let’s be kind and considerate to other people I’m sure we can find a way in which we can all be happy.

• helppppp

  whats happing here the rebbe says we should do it so we do it okay evry beqopute from your complaing

• State Psychiatric Hospital Patient

  I came from the New York State Psychiatric Hospital to Crown Heights. I thought it was a HUGE KIDDUSH HASHEM TO SEE A SOUND STAGE ON KINGSTON. I ALSO SAW THE ROAD IN FRONT OF 770 BLOCKED BY TERRORIST NYPD.

  CELEBRATE AND DO MITZVAS BSIMCHA. BRING MOSHIACH. BRING ME OUT OF THE HOSPITAL AND DAVEN FOR US. THERE ARE A LOT OF JEWS IN THE STATE PSYCHIATRIC HOSPITAL.

• FATHER

  why can’t childrens program start earlier???

• Call 311

  It may help if everyone who has the same problem with the loud music going on all night calls 311 to complain.

• Work on Mikroei Kodesh ?

  a side question; why is the writer needing to get up for work on Chol HaMoed? which “rav” gave him his hetter??

• To 58 & 55

  some of us have no choice to work Chol Hamoed. In my husband’s case he wouldn’t get paid because he had to take off so much time for yom Tov and for sitting shiva. Very inconsiderate of his parent to die when the Yomim Noraim aren’t weekends, wasn’t it.

  So when we have bills, tuition and mortgage to pay and were barely scraping a living already (yes I work too) we can’t afford to have unpaid leave. perhaps you two would like to pay our mortgage while my husband has 3 days off for Chol Hamoed?

  My husband’s bosses are Jewish. The goyim never gave him these problems, they let him work Thanksgiving & Dec 25 etc to make up time.Not these people. But he works 6 days a week anyway just so they will maybe appreciate him.

  If you don’t work for a frum place or a mosod you often don’t have any choice. Its hard to get a job and its hard to keep a job in todays market.

• To the youngsters out there

  Its very obvious to be me from some of your comments that you did not have the zechus to see the rebbe, yes the rebbe cared for every yid and had tremendous ahavas yisroel nevertheless the rebbe still many times asked from us his chasidim various things that were at times uncomfortable for us and took us out of our comfort zone. in fact years ago SBH in crown heights attracted a larger crowd then we have today and there was more noise. so we need to accept as lubavitcher chasidim this is clearly what the rebbe wanted to dance in the streets (not in 770)

• CONCERNED

  I HAVE BEEN TO MANY SIMCHAT BAIS HASHOAIVA’S IN ISRAEL. PUBLIC ONES END AT MIDNIGHT.
  WE SHOULD DO THE SAME. END AT MIDNIGHT.

• ingnorance

  the rebbe never said how loud the music has to be

• i live right in middle of all the action

  i live right in the corner of montgomery and kingston i lived there all my life and i love every moment of SBH a simcha or farbriengen is always a pleasure for my wife;my 5 children and myself we look forward to SBH all year around music is not that loud, close the windows with a fan running totally blocks out any noise we actually leave the windows open so we live SBH even in our sleep SBH is going on for so many years i wish we had SBH more often this NYC the city that never sleeps if you can’t handle city noise move somewhere else because crown hiets will always rock

• me

  Does anyone else have to be up early for work?
  Husbands who need to be well rested for work the next day?
  No we don’t work on yom tov!!!!!!

• me

  Does anyone else have to be up early for work?
  Husbands who need to be well rested for work the next day?
  No we don’t work on yom tov!!!!!!

• anyone ho calls 311

  anyone ho calls 311 will go to hell for ever

• there is a hole mischta youvomiss

  all about not working on chlaloed anyone complayning about sbh is a descendant from the arv rove

• Malki

  The separate men and women barriers have no place in an American city. NYPD wrong to let it happen.

• I love it!

  So sorry you can’t sleep. So what do you do when your non-Jewish neighbors blare their vulgur music on Friday night till 2am? Or he church broadcasts their “services” on Sunday morning? Nothing.
  You knew about simchas beis hashoeva before you moved near Kingston. BUt that didn’ sop you from aking th apartment. Why not write about all the “elemens” who com here for non-holy purposes, or the men/boys who parade up and down on the women’s side? That doesn’t boher you. But the holy music does? In he beis hamikdash, no one slept a whole week. I actually relish going to sleep wih the sound of simcha in my ears. Stop complaining, and gut Mo’ed

• just wanted to point out something..

  i live on crown and kingston and i feel when i walk home after buying my siblings light up toys and food that most of these modern teenagers ARENT from ch… they don’t look like lubavitchers who unfornately went off the derech. BUT i am not saying there arent any lubabs.

• Yosy

  Your comment stinks both from ignorance as well as from contempt.

  “Kol HaMevazeh Es HaMoados, Ein Lo Chelek L’Olam Haba” – What do YOU focus on…? Working during Chol Hamoed?! You look at “CHOL HAMOED” as more “CHOL” than “MOED”!

  Doing what the Rebbe SPECIFICALLY INSTRUCTED to do – IS a MAJOR INCONVENIENCE to you because it disrupts YOUR work schedule!?

  The bochurim whom you speak about “In addition, to the excited bochurim that march around in the early morning singing ‘yechi adoneinu’ at the top of their lungs… It’s just not right.” What is “not right” is YOUR distorted imagination of things that never happened!

  You have a problem with YIDDISHKEIT in general, and the Rebbe in particular.
  Your “problem” with yechi stems from a deep rooted resentment towards anyone who displays an unabashed level of pure emunah – which is something YOU don’t have.

• be nice

  just lower the music a little, no big deal.

  what if you were playing music in your house because of a family simcha and a neighbor asked you nicely to lower the music because they were trying to sleep wouldn’t you do it?

  you can continue your simcha but let them sleep.

  why is this different?

• Someone who lives right near kingston.

  To understand why the Rebbe encouraged SBH till the morning, read “The Taste of Water” on chabad.org.
  http://www.chabad.org/holid…
  you will find it fascinating and well worth the read.

• Meyer Clapman

  There is a simple solution for the loud music after 1am. Why not bring a sound engineer who would figure out exactly how many speakers are needed to be positioned so that everyone in the dancing area of Kingston between Montgomery and the pizza shop will be able to hear the music but as you walk away from the core area the sound will be minimal. Is there really a purpose for everyone on Montgomery and Albany or Carroll and Kingston and 1000 other residents not participating at the event to hear it all night?
  BTW a sound engineer is not a rare profession. There are many available and they would charge a few hundred dollars.

• Turned Offffffffffffffffffffff

  Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am totally feeling the writer. Please don’t feel like you are the only one suffering through this! I too have little children that are not able to sleep at night, are getting sick, and waking up crying. They just don’t understand why the Loud and booming wild music JUST WONT END.
  NOt sure if some of the people posting on here are joking, or have a sick twisted way of thinking. But most of what is said here is so blatantly inconsiderate, self centered and hateful that I am sure this cannot be what Ahavas Yisrael is all about. Such comments form a very dirty broken picture of who the people living in the Shchuna really are.

  A simple compromise is all we are asking for. (Turning down the base, ending live music by midnight like they do in Yerushalayim, etc)
  A simple recognition of another person’s reality.
  You simply CANNOT know unless you have walked in another persons shoes…So please stop with the disgusting name calling and Rebbe name dropping. I know it’s hard at times, but People have to start thinking for themselves and start thinking about others-the welfare of their neighbors. I know I don’t have to mention Hillel to you. But frankly, he did talk about loving your neighbors and that loving your neighbor like yourself being the only thing you have to know. Guess Crown Height is lacking in some basic knowledge. A little common sense and consideration!!!!!!!!!!!!!

• Hindy

  If all else fails you can always go cut the wires!

• All for it

  To number 77 (The judge, juror, and prosecutor)

  We are already going through it right now, so………..guess it’s worth a shot!!!!

• moshe

  WOW!!! in shock
  whats next ?
  why a full week of yom tov maybe we should cut it down to 2 days or maybe even 1

  just a sad sign of our times

• sad sad sad

  all i can say its sad sad sad. how cant such an article even get on a lubavitcher website.

• Yaffa from South Africa

  I have just read most of your comments and I am totally horrified by what everyone has written. Firstly I am not a CH resident, I live in South Africa but as a Lubavitcher and chossid of the Rebbe I highly doubt this is what the Rebbe wanted. We have just come out of Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur – where is everyone’s Ahavas Yisroel. Can a person not state an opinion without being shouted down? If I were in CH I would totally agree that the Simchas Beis Hashoava should end at a reasonable time. By behaving the way that is being described in some of your comments – you are just giving the goyim ammunition to speak about the Yidden and say what animals we are. Everyone is entitled to there opinion. People need to start having more Ahavas Yisroel for each other instead of sinas chinam – no wonder we don’t have Moshiach yet….

• sleepyhead

  Last night was incredibly loud. i live albany & I could hear every beat. I took a sleeping pill & that cured the problem but I think dafka the music was deliberately louder last night.

• do it the right way

  why dont you just ask yisroel shemtov directly to lower the music he is known to be a very kind person and likes to help people why dont you ask him to lower it he probably will work something out.

• to #6

  i hope #6 reads this. I live on montgomery between kingston and albany. I hear it till 4

• Milhouse

  #38, you “think it is very clear that the Rebbe WOULD be against the late blaring music”. we have an easy way to tell whether the Rebbe “would be” against it: all we have to do is ask whether he actually WAS against it, and the answer is clear: he was not! If he was against it he would have said something, wouldn’t he? Or at least he wouldn’t have encouraged it. Don’t you think so? But the fact is that the Rebbe knew about it and not only didn’t say anything to stop it but said encouraging things. I think that’s pretty dispositive, don’t you?
  #46 has the chutzpah to write “Stop quoting the rebbe and start thinking for yourselves; we don’t live in a cult”. Sorry, bud, if that’s how you think then go live somewhere else, and don’t call yourself a chossid. For chassidim “ein lonu elo divrei Ben Amrom”, and if that makes us a cult then long live the cult.
  #79 This is an open din in Shulchon Oruch. Do you think the Shulchon Oruch doesn’t apply in America?! AMERICA IS NISHT ANDERSH. You are in rebellion against Hashem; do teshuvah before it’s too late.
  That said, if the neighbors really have a problem with the volume, or perhaps just with the bass, then they should bring it up with the organizers. They are not unreasonable people, and if it can be fixed by bringing it down a decibel or two then I’m sure they’ll accommodate you.

• EXERCISE (our rights)!

  to #3 #4 #6 #10 #36 and more (too bad there are so many of you)

  WE live in America. DEAL WITH IT! WE WANT SLEEP!!! FREEDOM OF SPEECH, BABY all the way!!!!

  THANK G-D there is a place like Crown Heights.info where we can all express ourselves and not be afraid that others will throw stones at us, or GAG OUR MOUTHS (which by the sound of it, some of you are ready to do-in the name of the Rebbe no less, I am sure).

  And if you don’t like it, Y’all can pack up and move on back to whatever backwards place your ancestors come from.

  Yeah! I said it. Just giving you a tast of your own bitter medicine. Swallow it, and you better thank me for it.

• Bubby

  I lived on the corner of Montgomery & Kingston St. for years. YES, THE MUSIC KEPT ME AWAKE even though I closes the Windows, put on the air conditioner, PUT EAR PLUGS IN MY EARS.

  I do think the music has toned down somewhat in recent years but I can tell you that it was very difficult getting up in the morning (since the music lasted until 6 am so I just slept an hour til 7 am) but I was a zombie at work and couldn’t concentration.

  Even thought I love the dancing and the music, it is disturbing for the residents who live nearby.

• Author

  I am glad to now know that I am not alone. If nothing changes, perhaps I’ll just stay at work or sleep at a relative next year during sbh as some suggested.

  To everyone else with their negative comments and rebbe / true chossid argument, much love to you guys.

  Thank you,

  – writer of this op-ed.

• Whazzat?

  Didn’t this SBH start on EP? That location would be better because the Parkway has a lot of its own noise anyway.

  I always thought the Rebbe encouraged the music etc outside of 770, not on the heart of a residential neighborhood.

• Milhouse

  #99, do you imagine the Rebbe didn’t know where the music that he encouraged was being held?! Do you imagine that Yisroel Shemtov didn’t consult the Rebbe on every detail, or that he proceeded without the Rebbe’s approval?!

• Yanky

  Sad to see such a fight against the Rebbe wishes..

  with lubvitcheres like these who needs enemies

  SAD…..

• Rachmonos (a Jewish quality)

  What is TRULY Sad is that there are people like you who use the words “fight and enemies” to describe honest hard working people who are going through a great deal of distress and need a place to vent and to see if they have ANY SUPPORT on this matter.

  Instead of thoughtfully helping them to get through it, you try to force them to feel like bad lubavitchers deliberately trying to go against the Rebbe’s wishes. Stop with the manipulative-Jewish/Chassidish guilt thing. You are going TOO FAR.

  Time to start using that brain of yours and think for yourself without having to pepper every other argument of yours with the name of the Rebbe. He is probably right now wondering why you can’t just figure it out and find some Rachmonos for your neighbors. I am sure if someone approached the Rebbe for advice on this disturbing matter that he would come up with a compromise that would help the sleepless on Montgomery to find even a few needed hours of sleep.

  How DARE you invalidate another person expressing their true feelings on the matter. in a time of distress and totally sleep deprived!!!