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The Dark Side Of Earning Credit Card Points; PSA: Don’t Swipe For Others!

by Daniel Eleff – dansdeals.com

Everyone loves earning points and miles, and they should. It’s allowed me and many others to travel the world in first class and stay in five star resorts for free. The memories created from those trips as well as once in a lifetime moments like throwing out the first pitch of game 7 at the World Series in my hometown are truly priceless.

But depending how you earn those points, some people end up paying a very high price.

5 years ago I wrote about a couple of scams that were being discussed on DDF. I was sent threats for writing about it, but something had to be done before others fell for scams like Sungames that promised impossible returns from a flimsy business plan and credit card farms that paid a lump sum for all of your personal information and the right to open credit cards in your name.

I followed up on them 2 years ago after Sungames went up in flames, but sadly people kept on getting financially ruined by credit card farms after handing over the keys to all of their personal information. Once again I reminded readers that the promise of a financial windfall is never worth the potential damage that can be caused by someone else with all of your personal information.

The latest scheme that people are falling for is allowing others to charge your card and getting paid back after a few weeks in order to earn miles. DDF moderator Chaikel first wrote about this years ago, but over the past few months there have been multiple cases involving tens of millions of dollars each of money that has been stolen.

One DDF member with thousands of posts was too embarrassed to post under his regular forum name, so he opened a new account to share his experience. In short, he allowed businesses to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on his cards each month and enjoyed getting the points. The business paid back everyone monthly for years, but they now owe between $15MM-$18MM to people and they say that the money is gone. The DDF member is personally out more than $300,000, and many others are in the same boat at risk of losing their life savings or having to face bankruptcy and more than 7 years of not being able to get credit.

Another DDFer with thousands of posts also opened a new account to share that he fell prey to a different but similar scam and lost hundreds of thousands of dollars. I’ve received emails from several other people as well that asked me not to share their names, but to please make a post about this so that others don’t fall for the same scheme.

It’s no simple matter to just dispute that kind of charge if you gave permission for your card to be used as that does not qualify as a fraudulent charge. Claiming that a charge is fraudulent when it is not can get you into legal hot water. Courts can look into your records to determine if you authorized your card to be used and false claims can take you from a scary personal bankruptcy case to a far more scary criminal case.

If you’re in such a case you would be well advised to find a good lawyer to help you navigate your way out.

As I’ve said at every DansDeals Seminar, do not open a credit card if you are going to go into debt for it, as that will quickly eat up any gains you made. If you can’t treat your credit cards the same way as you do cash, then shred them today. That applies equally to spending beyond your means and lending your credit card line to others. It also applies to buying groups. You should never lend more than you can afford to lose, no matter what the scenario.

A business that uses your credit line or takes your goods without paying upfront can be run by seemingly honest people for years and then suddenly default on everyone’s payments with checks that bounce or by just ignoring you. It’s this simple: If you wouldn’t hand over a briefcase full of cash to someone, then don’t hand over your credit card or goods that you paid for, that you can’t afford to lose.

There’s a reason a business is asking you for credit. If a bank won’t give them the credit they need after doing due diligence, then common sense should say that you shouldn’t be either. It doesn’t matter if it’s a big business, or a trustworthy neighbor, friend, or relative, the same rules must apply. A loaning scheme may start off innocently, but once things start to go south it can force a business to default on loans, even when its operated by the most honest people.

The mileage system is all fun and games until you start to let it control you. It’s time that people stop thinking of miles and points (as well as anything else) as a get rich quick scheme, as that has led too many down a dangerous path. It’s great to optimize your spending to earn lots of points if you can properly track everything and not let things get out of hand. But it’s time to take a step back when you reach a point where you are handing over thousands (or hundreds of thousands!) of dollars of your credit line or goods when you would never go to a bank and hand over your life savings to anyone.

I’m sad that I have to write this post and say this, but it’s not a game folks, it’s your future. Never give anyone your personal information and never give anyone access to your credit line or to goods that you paid for unless you realize that it is the same as cash and can afford to lose it all.

My heart goes out to the victims here and I’m not here to assign blame, they have a hard enough pill to swallow. But hopefully others will take their hard learned lesson to heart and act in a financially responsible manner.

6 Comments

  • 3. Almost duped wrote:

    A very respectable individual once asked me if i could take out a cash advance for him, and he would give me head checks to pay back.

    I almost did, but first called my Rav to ask about ribis, if he could cover the fee and interest.

    Instead of just answering my question, he warned me to absolutely not loan anything ***unless I was willing to lose it*** . That if a reputable individual couldn’t get the money from a bank or gmach, then something was not right. He was probably over extended with debts already which is why he couldn’t qualify for a conventional loan, and even with the best intentions now, he may not be able to pay me back.

    As usual, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably will bite you.
    Be careful.

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    • 4. If only everyone was careful about Ribbis wrote:

      You did the right thing by inquiring about Ribbis. Unfortunately there’s a prevailing lack of awareness to Ribbis issues.

      If all those getting into these “deals” would just bother asking a Rov that is competent in the area of Ribbis, they would save themselves much עגמת נפש.

  • 5. 2232 wrote:

    theres a story about someone went to one of the Chabad Rebeim and said he has svekes in emunoh and the Rebbe asked him what his business was, and he said that he is in galoshes. so the rebbe said that he has heard of someone with their feet in galoshes but not their head. I know that we all have to make money, its the natural way of the velt, but this is really just too megushamdik

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  • 6. Zusha wrote:

    I know some people that are into this. I’ve heard of people even getting a heter for it. However I’ve always felt it’s not an appropriate way for a chossid to make money or even a little extra.

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