Extreme Chabad faction is circulating photographs of soldiers who took part in disengagement, looking for their details
What do the police do when they are looking for criminals? They publish pictures of the offenders and ask the public's help in finding them.
Wanted: Soldiers, Officers of Disengagement
Extreme Chabad faction is circulating photographs of soldiers who took part in disengagement, looking for their details
What do the police do when they are looking for criminals? They publish pictures of the offenders and ask the public’s help in finding them.
An extreme faction in the Chabad movement has decided to adopt the method, only their ‘most wanted’ are not criminals, but members of law enforcement agencies and IDF soldiers who were involved in the disengagement.
People who provide information about those in the pictures are promised a reward.
Chabad’s attitude towards the IDF is usually amiable. On Jewish holidays they go to army bases and present the soldiers with Hanukkah donuts and Purim parcels of food gifts, for example.
But an extreme sect in the movement, that calls itself the World Headquarters to Save Israel, is launching this new scheme targeting those who participated in the pullout.
Members of the organization are circulating a booklet in settlements, synagogues and places where evacuated settlers are now living. The book has photos of soldiers and police officers who took part in the disengagement. They are asking for the public’s help in identifying the individuals in the pictures and providing their names and addresses.
The booklet also includes ‘before and after’ pictures of houses, families being evacuated and clashes between security forces and the evacuees.
Sentences like “We shall never forget, and we shall never forgive,” which is normally used in the context of the Shoah, and “Remember what Ariel Sharon did unto thee,” alluding to “Remember what Amalek did unto thee” (Deut.. 25/17), also appear in the pamphlet.
The organization’s intention is to later publish a “Black Book” with all the pictures, names and addresses of the “’expulsion perpetrators.”
Punished from above
The last page of the booklet has a picture of the Lubavitcher Rebbe along with those responsible for the disengagement.
These people have all, according to the organization, already been punished for their involvement: Former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon suffered a stroke; former Chief of Staff Dan Halutz and Police Chief Moshe Karadi were forced to resign; President Moshe Katsav, former Minister Haim Ramon and MK Tzachi Hanegbi have been involved in criminal affairs; and Yonatan Bassi, head of the Disengagement Administration, had to leave his kibbutz after being accused of collaborating in driving settlers out of their homes.
The sect responsible for the booklet was formed before the disengagement, under the leadership of Rabbi Dov Wolpo. He said that the purpose of the publication was to “perpetuate the cruelty of Ariel Sharon and his friends who raised a hand on the Land of Israel, to warn those who come after them not to follow in the same path.”
He said the reward offered was a CD of pictures from the disengagement.
In the past, far-right-wing activists harassed members of the armed forces who had participated in the disengagement. They received threats, their cars were damaged and their families were intimidated on the phone.
In response, the IDF Spokesperson Unit said that the IDF severely regarded these attempts to terrorize soldiers who follow orders according to the law.
chrup!
whackos
Not-Chabad
What did the Rebbe ever do wrong? Why does the Rebbe deserve this type of chillul Lubavitch? Why do we allow these animals to drown everything the Rebbe worked his whole life on?
Many
GREAT WORK! KEEP IT UP RABBI WOLPO!
sn
crazy. this is nit the way of lubavitch maybe satmar or ponevezh. even by yamit the rebbe did not mention and certainly not the soldiers.
Chabadnik
“Extreme Chabad faction”?????
Not chabad!
Dov Wolpo
Hoora! the rebbe is deffinetely smiling at you’re accomplishments.
yey! continue destroing. you rasha!
mosihe Z
this guy wolopo is a disgrace! why use the rebbe’s picture and the name of chabad!
chossid
The Rebbe would not have approved to this type of action
Concerned
I find it disturbing how often the Rebbe’s picture is used as part of activities he would have been embarressed to be associated with.
Names and addresses of soldiers? What are they going to do, lynch them? By all means, protest the evacuation of settlements, but harrassment and assault (physical or otherwise) of other Jews is unacceptable.
Anonymous
Iyar, 5744:
In the month of Iyar, 5744, Rabbi Wolpo wanted to print his book “Yechi Hamelech,” in which he attempt to demonstrate, with numerous hints, that the Lubavitcher Rebbe is Moshiach. After he sent the Rebbe the book’s proofs, he immediately received the Rebbe’s answer, written in the Rebbe’s handwriting, and read over the telephone by Rabbi Hodakov. The Rebbe’s words were:
“Telephone him in my name the following:
”It is apparent that he is feigning as though he doesn’t understand what I already answered before, that it is possible to do much damage to Chabad, rachmana litzlan, and to the spreading of the wellsprings, through writing on this theme – and my intention was mainly to him; enough said.
“Now I warn him that he must stop speaking, writing, and how much more so, publicizing, especially in print, anything pertaining to Moshiach – whether in his own name, under an assumed name, through an intermediary or the like – with whatever kuntz he may concoct, and in whatever format or manner that may be. And if, chas v’sholom, he goes ahead and does anything in this regard, he should know clearly that this is a specific and general war against me.
”Obviously the above includes any interpretations of matters regarding Moshiach in the Rambam or other Seforim, Chassidic discourses and anything of the like.”
Anonymous
Tamuz, 5744:
In the month of Tamuz, 5744, Rabbi Wolpo wrote to the Rebbe asking forgiveness for the aggravation he had caused the Rebbe through his efforts to publish his above mentioned book, but he again attempted to “prove” to the Rebbe that people really “needed” his book. The Rebbe responded:
“1) Obviously, in everything I wrote and said regarding the above there was absolutely nothing at all the opposite of a blessing, chas v’sholom v’chas v’sholom, and even now there is none, chas v’sholom v’chas v’sholom. However:
”2) When something is ‘publicized,’ and especially when it is printed, what is pertinent is how it will be interpreted by the reader – and not the author.
“3) It has come to pass that because of his activities (speaking, printing, and behaving) – he fuels divisiveness, etc., and hundreds of Jews (and more) have stopped learning Chassidus, and now oppose the Baal Shem Tov and his teachings in actuality, etc., etc.
”4) Among these are some who until he began doing such things were involved in spreading the wellsprings .
“5) Some seek the slightest hint or pretext which can be used to enlarge the bonfire.
”6) In the pages which he enclosed there would be no need for such people to search for hints and pretexts , for they are all permeated with this material, and automatically his effort would only lead to a continuation of the same result, another battle against disseminating Chassidus, and even more people will be estranged from learning Chassidus – may this never happen…!
“All the above is obvious, and therefore it is extremely astonishing that he tries to explain to me the opposite!”
After receiving the Rebbe’s holy answer, again Rabbi Wolpo had the chutzpa to “explain” to the Rebbe the value of his book, and he again continued “sparring” with the Rebbe – insisting that no one should be “ashamed” of the halacha. Again he received the Rebbe’s holy reply:
“What I wrote was not just a precaution, lest perhaps… Rather, it was founded on what is public knowledge – that thousands, and more, have stopped learning Chassidus and now clash with the teachings of the Baal Shem Tov, etc., because of talk and publications from you alone.
”As for the ‘simpleton’s question’: How can it be proper not to spread the halacha?
“Let me ask you: When speaking to a rich man in the United States for a donation… do you tell him that one who strikes a match on the holy Shabbos is censurable by stoning, and if the Sanhedrin was in power, as you long for it to be, you would be among those who would stone him, rachmana litzlan – as provided for by a clear halacha in the holy Torah? And would you tell this to him even when you were visiting him on the afternoon of Shabbos Eve?
”Certainly, if you answer my question, I will, bli neder, answer you.”
Anonymous
On Motzoei Shabbos Breishis, 5745, during the Rebbe’s farbrengen, Chassidim sang a tune with the words “Soldiers of the Rebbe, soldiers of Moshiach Tzidkeinu, he will lead us with Tanks to our Land…” The Rebbe suddenly interrupted the singing of the song, and spoke sternly and sharply in a deeply pained and loud voice. Some of the Rebbe’s less-shern words were as follows:
“There are some ‘Spitz Chabad’ who think that specifically they know what has to be done and how it is necessary to behave, and when everyone around them tries to tell them that what they are doing is detrimental, it has no effect on them whatsoever, for they think, ‘Who are they to tell us! None of them are on our level, for we are ‘Spitz Chabad!’
”The intention in this: As a result of what they are saying, the things they are printing, and the songs they are singing, etc. – they are responsible for distancing of scores of Jews from the teachings of the Baal Shem Tov, learning Chassidus, and conduct in the ways of Chassidus. Not only this, but even Jews who had already started learning Chassidus – now they have stopped learning Chassidus because of the activities of these people! Not only do these activities not bring closer the distant, but on the contrary, they even distance those who had already started getting close! Even when they try to wrap themselves in a cloak of holiness, “a silken kaftan and gartel” – it does not change at all the fact that thereby they alienate Jews from the teachings of Chassidus, together with everything else that ensues. All of this is squarely their responsibility…!
“Why don’t they follow in the way our Rebbeim paved for us! No one has any need for their ‘innovation,’ especially as the only thing it serves is to foment new divisiveness against the Baal Shem Tov and the Alter Rebbe, rachmana litzlan…!
”Therefore, let it be known: Anyone who continues with these activities – is an opponent who fights against Chassidus Chabad, against Nosi Doreinu, the Baal Shem Tov, until Malka Moshicha… who desires and longs to come and redeem us, only he must wait until there is an increase in spreading the wellsprings to the outside. These people, meanwhile, are decreasing the number of Jews learning Chassidus, rachmana litzlan!
Anonymous
Chabad Responds to Allegedly Having Harassed Soldiers
On Friday morning Yediot Achronot published a section of the official Chabad response to the scandalous front page article a day earlier, connecting …Continue On Friday morning Yediot Achronot published a section of the official Chabad response to the scandalous front page article a day earlier, connecting the Chabad movement to the distribution of a booklet aimed at remonstrating the soldiers who took part in the expulsion of Gaza settlers from their homes. The published response read: “This initiative is in total contrast to the spirit of Chabad Chassidus that preaches brotherly love and not only tolerance but a gracious attitude towards any individual no matter what his beliefs or actions are. How much more so is it unfit to blame the Chabad movement for degrading IDF soldiers?”. Yediot tactfully omitted the paragraph indicating the Rebbe’s sharp opposition to the policy of yielding Jewish territory…
http://www.col.org.il/show_…
dont agree
this isnt going to hurt the name of chabad in the government?
moshe
keep it up grate job
let them be embraced of what they did,
so the next time they want to do it they will think twice
to dov: kol hakavod
i didnt have the patience to sit and write, thank you.
webby: you’re supposed to post mews, this stuff is better titled nostalgia..
anyways in my opinion its a gute zach that you post as many articles as possible like this one (halevai there should be none), unfortunately some people just dont get the point of what’s going on.
read this if you wonder what yechi means
how sad.
the rebbe ztz”l foresaw you’re destructive-personality and put clear boundrys on you, which of course are not important as long as you say yechi 9 times a day and once before going to sleep.
what yechi represents couldnt be clearer to me than right now. the rebbe set up a sistem of how things should run after guimmel tammuz, theres something called vaad rabonei lubavitch, theres something called agudas chassidei chabad, theres something called merkaz le’inianei chinuch and theres something called machne israel. its a whole sistem that’s set up in order for lubavitch to continue running as best as possible without the clear leader heading it.
but the rebbe chose who should run it and some people didnt have the zchus to be part of the lucky ones, so they came up with a great idea: continue saying that guimmel tammuz never happened and nothing changed (yechi), and the organizations to which they werent chosen to be in (for obvious reason’s, the article you just read is just one example), wont have more ‘power’ than us! isnt that amazing?
amazing, and very dangerous. look at were we are holding today, its all because of ONE thing; that which i described above. and obviously it comes along with many more details, ‘yechi’ is very catchy and exciting, many ‘normal’ (naive) anash ‘hold’ (LOL) of it, vechulu vechulu.. little do they know. :(
the biggest superstars in the yechi movement obviously dont believe themselves what they say about the rebbe, neither could they believe how they pulled off such a scam. it doesnt matter to them because you could sound convincing even without believing. why do you think the action that gets you most points in the yechi movement is putting bumper stickers and publisizing yechi in any way possible? its because you’re furthering the initial goal of the movement.. the more public, the better. its so pathetic how people actually think it has anything to do with bringing mashiach.. LOL. nop. not today. last time i checked throwing benches at shluchim doesnt bring the messia closer, one thing it definetely does it shows who has a prescence in 770 (even dough it was 1000 shluchim against 30 terrorists, theres obviously a major difference in how to deal with situations, but thats a separate topic altoghether), how sad. the worst part is: people continue to fall fot it. and i and many others could just sit and watch how sheker continues to exist. our only hope: the rebbe promised mashiach is coming. we have to bring him as soon as possible, im sure the rebbe is watching and giving us kichos, because without them i wouldnt be able to survive this bitter galus full of falsehood. theres nothing we could except to try to cope with our situation and continue doing our job.
if anybody has any question’s i’ll be happy to respond to youre comment, i hope to be the last person comenting on this article.
Chossidwannabe
I don’t see how Rabbi Wolpe’s actions would be backed by the Rabbeim or Chassidus.
Sorry!!
disgusted
this is disgusting!!the idf soldiers did not do this out of free choice.any however wrong sharon was he is still a jew and should not be treated this way!!it is also a major chillul lubavitch!!its totally wrong
Eli Eichenblatt
Dear Dov,
Very nice letters that you quoted from the Rebbe to a chosid, Do You Have a Source?
I was personally dragged out of Gush Katif by soldiers and beaten by them perfusly in the summer of ’05.
By chanukah i was already doing Mivtzoyim on army bases and met soldiers that i remembered from the expulsion.
As a chabadnik, i controlled my emotions and was kind, even when i met a religous comander and fifty of his soldiers that did the “dirtyist” work in Chomesh, Northern Samaria. But we still lit the menorah and sang the songs together.
This does not make them better people, it makes us Chassidim of the Rebbe better people, Moach Shalit Al Halev.
The Israeli Police have done so many crimes in such magnitude that they can be labled as a criminal organization and yes if an individual soldier beats jews he is doing a crime and it doesnt matter what uniform he is wearing (some Israelis are raised with hate towards settlers and religious people).
We can all learn from the Rebbe that when people are doing something wrong its a sin to remain silent.
CHer
I arrived to Israel the day it apeared on the front page of yidiot achronot… major chil;lul lubavitch!!!
Anonymous
“We can all learn from the Rebbe that when people are doing something wrong its a sin to remain silent.”
Still, there is a way things are done, and what Wolpo has and is doing is not the way (IM sure we all can agree to that.)
And anyway who made him is charge?
Did the Rebbe appoint him to be in charge of the going on’s in Eretz Yisroel? When did the Rebbe start “World Headquarters to Save Israel”?
Don-t be a Dog!!!
Then came the cat and ate the kid,
Then came the dog and bit the cat,
that ate the kid,
Then came the stick and beat the dog,
that bit the cat that ate the kid,
Then came the fire and burned the stick,
that beat the dog that bit the cat,
that ate the kid,
Then came the water and and quenched the fire,
that burned the stick that beat the dog,
that bit the cat that ate the kid,
Then came the ox and drank the water,
that quenched the fire that burned the stick,
that beat the dog that bit the cat,
that ate the kid,
Then came the butcher and slew the ox,
that drank the water that quenched the fire,
that burned the stick that beat the dog,
that bit the cat that ate the kid,
Then came the angel of death,
and killed the butcher that slew the ox,
that drank the water that quenched the fire,
that burned the stick that beat the dog,
that bit the ca that ate the kid,
Then came the Holy One, blessed be He!
And destroyed the Angel of death,
that killed the butcher that slew the ox,
that drank the water that quenched the fire,
that burned the stick that beat the dog,
that bit the cat that ate the kid,
My father bought for two zuzim.
Chad gadya, chad gadya.Gadya…
The cat eats the kid,= Wrong
The dog eats the cat = right
The stick beats the dog = wrong Etc…
It comes out that Hashem (at first sight) is wrong.
But we know that can’t be, so lets have a look again.
The cat eat the kid = Wrong
The dog eat the cat =Wrong! Why? Who ask the dog to take the law in to his own hand? Then comes the stick (of justice) =right…
My point is, that even if they are wrong (which they are) who are we to mend out Justice?
Who made Wolpa in charge (of anything)?
[Wolpa sould stop being a dog!]
hasid?
hey is there maybe a way you could be ‘dam lekaf zchus’ R’ Volpo.???
After all he is the only one that has stood up and really make a ‘tumult’ about ‘Shleimus Ha’aretz’
yaakov21
webby post whatever you want your doijng a great job
Yisroel
Even though I disagree with Volpo’s previous actions, I believe this time Volpo is doing the right thing. After all we know that the left wing smut in Israel is planning further expulsions of Jews. at least let them know that it comes with a price.
Wolpa must go!!!
Yisroel wrote:
“Even though I disagree with Volpo’s previous actions, I believe this time Volpo is doing the right thing.”
I will just send you to this link,
The point of what you are seeing is, just because in essence your message is right, there is a way to present it.
http://www.liveleak.com/vie…
Wolpa is a trobble maker (he always was),
He has no right to do what he is doing, The Rebbe did not put him in charge of this or anything else, so it really does not matter weather you think (maybe) he’s doing the right thing.
He is making a Chillol Hashem and a Chillol Lubavitch.
As a Chossid of the Lubavithcer Rebbe, I demand that he take my Rebbes face out of his Propaganda.
Not getting in to how he stold alot of money (dimonds) from a member of our community, I will just say he, like Al Sharpten is a hate manger.
Right or wrong?
“Right or wrong, you’re passionate. You care.”
If that doesn’t sum up current liberal attitudes in the face of facts, I don’t know what does. Caring means more to them than actually knowing the difference between something that’s false and something that’s true.
bochur
Yisroel, what price? Showing that lubavitch uses threats to accomplish its goal? This is a chilul lubavitch as well as a disgrace to the rebbes name!
The rebbe screamed for many years against giving away land vchulu vchulu but did the rebbe EVER resort to personal threats???
YechiVolpo
Chabad — and the weak body of the Shluchim have every answer to behave like liberal softies. What has the Chabad movement stood up for in the last 14 years???
Finally someone is standing firm for the Rebbes principles — Moshiach, Eretz Isroel and everyone has only Taanois.
In all these years the Shluchim have done absolutely nothing to stand tall and proud for what the Rebbe cried over.
Whenever it requires a chance of losing support they have every excuse not to do anything. Giur Kahalacha, Moshiach, Shleimus Hooretz,
Didn’t the Rebbe himself talk publicly about these issues?? Aren’t these the issues that are pertanent to the core mission at hand??
What is anyone in Chabad doing, besides Volpo to protect the Land of Israel from total destruction?? Are you blind not to see where we’re heading??
ps Thankyou for allowing an open forum to discuss both sides.
MilchamaLashem
From another article on your site. We should learn from this young girl how to stand and fight for what we believe in.
_________________________
What were you doing, one girl against a wave of policemen in black? Why didn’t you run away?
”The answer is that we came to fight. We didn’t come to give in or run away. We felt and thought that all this injustice and evil must run into the wall of our determination. You have to understand that there is a whole generation of youth that grew up in Israel, that believe in Israel and in the Torah and want and insist on leading the people of Israel in a different direction. And we’re willing to fight for it.“
May G-d watch over them, protect them and make then the shining example that they are succeed in all their endeavors.
chaya
If he is doing the right thing – it should not be in the name of chabad.
since when do Jews take revenge on one another?
who Menachem Brod really is
If you remember correctly, it was Rabbi Wolpo who the Rebbe told to write a book on “Shlaimus Haaretz” called “Daas Torah”, the Rebbe even edited some chapters and ordered parts to be translated!
If you remember it was Rabbi wolpo that the Rebbe sent to Yanit (a city in Sinai) before it was destroyed, and called him “my Shliach for Shlaimus Haaretz”!
If you remember it was Menachem Brod who went against the Rebbe’s directives not to endures any politician, and went on a campaign in 1996 “Bibi is good for the Jews”, which ended a disaster when Bibi gave away Chevron (Brod never apologized)!
If you remember is was Menachem brod who tied Chabad’s hands by the disengagement, and sat by quietly while 10,000 Jews were expelled from there home!
If you remember it was Brod who met with Sharon before the disengagement while no other Wright wing movement (not even the yesha console) wanted to meet with him, thus making him look legitimate!
If you remember, in 1990 the Rebbe fired Berke Volf , from his position as “spokesman of Chabad”, and never made a new one, defiantly did not make Brod spokesman!
SO WHO IS MENACHEM BROD TO TELL THE REBBE’S “SHLIACH FOR SHLAIMUS HAARETZ”, RABBI WOLPO WHAT TO DO!!!
to: eli eichenblatt
bh
you seemed confused. nobody disagrees that what the israeli ‘goverment’ does is wrong (are you kidding me?), but theres a way how to deal with situations.. i hope you understand. its IMPOSSIBLE for someone who knows the difference between construction and destruction not see clearly how wolpo is a rasha. and by the way, sometimes messianic feelings drive somebody to do stupid things, one example; to take out a bachur (even if he’s a relative) from an ‘anti’ yeshiva to a ‘meshichist’ yeshiva even dough it’ll affect his ruchnius, sounds familiar, doesnt it? well thats youre problem i hope you learnt you’re lesson, if youre not sure what i mean, think again. if youre still not sure you can email me, or leave a comment.
Shaimus
is the goal to study Chassidus and destroy Erets Yisroel, or there’s supposed to be some kind of balance?
to: moshe, isroel, and many
you are all wrong, forget about all the destruction he’s done, lets think about anything good he might have accoplished, could it have been done in a way that does not bring so much destruction to lubavitch? definetely. but he doesnt care, because anonimity wouldnt get him to all the newspapers. you have to be out of youre mind to side with this rasha.
the rebbe foresaw what he would do, and put boundrys, but people dont care..
to isroel
you could accomplish exactly the same thing without destructing.
use brains before you write.
to: hasid?
hes the one who made a tumult about shlaimus haaretz? you are soooooo out of it. 1) he wasnt the first and most, and definetely not the only one. 2) let say that he was the only one, dont you see how much destruction hes bringing to lubavitch? are you joking?!? hope you are..
just for the record!
just for the record!
in 1988 the Rebbe said a Sicha (without mentioning names) about a book “Yechi Hamelech” which was about to be published, and said that it is distancing jews from Chabad. after which Rabbi Wolpo DID NOT PUBLISH his book!
But in 1990-1991 when the Rebbe started speaking openly about Moshiach, and people started saying that maybe now is the time to publish the book, so Rabbi Wolpo ASKED THE REBBE and was told that if he had the book edited by three people he should publish his book with the Rebbe’s blessing!
one of the editors was none other then MENACHEM BROD!!!
only after which was the book published, the Rebbe even asked for a copy to be sent to him before it was bound!!!
yasher koach Dov
every think that Dov is 100 percent true
its all documetend even volpo himself does not deny it that whole farbrengen `45 the rebbe scrame at him publicly and if you call yourself a chasid after such a screeming you don`t even thing of bringing it up
yasher koach Dov
HOW THE BLACK BOOK CAN SAVE LIVES
the soldiers who carried out the Disengagement had a choice. they could follow orders or sit in jail for 28 days. others had a tougher choice. if they wanted a career in the IDF they may have had to sacrifice their dreams. many soldiers and officers did sit and jail and some gave up their careers. they are the ones who maintained their self-esteem after the Disengagement.
DISENGAGEMENT OF YEHUDA AND SHOMRON is just a matter of time. when Olmert or whoever, announces the date, we will all be surprised, caught off guard! but not Rabbi Wolpo. one of the ways that could have stopped the past Disengagement, and can stop the future Disengagements (Heaven help us) is to get the soldiers to refuse orders.
the soldiers who will be given orders to destroy Jewish families and communities think that it is uncomfortable for a day and then life goes on as usual. no one will know. but with the Black Book that Rabbi Wolpo is preparing, soldiers will think twice about following evil orders. they may decide that sitting in jail is better than having your name in the Black Book.
from the comments above, i have learned that the Black Book is really an undesirable thing. hopefully the soldiers will also think so and it will help them to make the right decision, i.e. to refuse orders. if that happens, the Black Book will save the self-esteem of the soldiers and it will save Hevron, Gush Etzion, Tekoa, Yitzhar, Ariel, Shilo, all of Yehuda and Shomron. it will save the lives of the 5 million Jews who will not be slaughtered by the creation of at Palestinian State.
many people in Crown Heights have their life investment in their home. how would it be if the US government sent the army to drag out the families and but them in buses and take them to a hotel room for 10 months and then give them a home that is the quality of a disposable cereal bowl? all this in order to accommodate terrorists. i am trying to give you readers an slight insight into the evil that these soldiers participated in.
the Black Book is not pretty. but sometimes we need strong medicine to combat a strong disease.
GUSH KATIFERS CAN FORGIVE NOT CHABAD
as Chassidim we are so righteous that we are ready to overlook the evil done by the army in Gush Katif. but who is asking for our forgiveness? what did the army do to us? hey, Crown Heights is cozy, Kfar Chabad is good. it is up to the ones who were wronged to grant forgiveness. when the same soldiers escort the Gush Katif families back to their re-built homes in Gush Katif… that is when the soldiers will deserve forgiveness.
to: just for the record!
since im a responsible person i cant put my answer to you on the internet, trust me it takes a lot of self control being that what you’re saying is %100 WRONG, and it has a CLEAR WRITTEN answer.
some things are better kept outside the public. just one thing: please do me and yourself a favor and do some research. if you post a response please let me know you’re age, my estimation is that you’re under 20, being that if you would be around 15 years ago you would understand better what wolpo, nachshon and all other messianic superstars really are. and being that you seem to know about menachem brod (yey!), i think thats a good start for you’re research.. you’ll find out things that you’re ‘mashpia’ and youre father dont want you to know.
when youre done, dont forget to flush (twice).
btw webby, thank you very much for posting these articles, although understandigly it causes some un-wanted situations, i think the good that comes from it out-does it by far.
(maybe you should’ve waited 2 days to post the open-ed letter, some people cant take ‘so much’ at a time :), no, i mean it seriously).
levi
biniomin, i give a lot of credit!
dov, (whoever that is that wrote the come-with-article-comments), you too!
thank you and keep it up
naftali
bh
i think its about time mechanchim start making sure that bachurim know what to answer when they are asked about this kind of articles. yes its very unfortunate, but when something needs to be done it has to be done. all it takes is a ten minute talk, obviously presceded with an in-detail planning. after all, young people allways get ‘excited’ about politics and this guys father and that guy grandfather ETC. but were in a VERY, very bad situation. bachurim need to be given tools which they never needed.
its a shame that lubavitch has gotten this low, but that the situation :(
isroel
take out that picture of the bus! it gets me disgusted!!
it reminds me of how ashamed and disgusted i was to walk in the streets in israel last year, please webby, put somethinh else for heavens sake!
Israeli Soldier (chabadnick EMT)
As a former soldier of the IDF. and as a chabadnik i much speak up.
first off ppl make it sound so easy to deny an order they make it sound so easy to just go to jail in the army. they where trying to sell it to the soldiers “deny the order and ONLY spent 28 days in jail.” its not the poor soldiers fault that he had to do what they commanded him and its not his commanders fault for giving it. it is entirely the government fault and they should be the only ones to blame not the pawns they used. the poor soldiers where crying why they had to do the dirty work of a corrupt government. as a chabadnik i was sickened when i arrived in Israel for the army the first time to find that all the chabadniks Americans and Israelis where getting involved in these mixed protest screaming how it was what the rebbe wants to hit the soldiers and police at the protest being big activists. i dont know what these poor misguided kids thought they where doing but it wasnt entirely what the rebbe wanted. Chabad of Israels has for many years been causing a bad name for lubavitch and only now with the stuff that go on in 770 from the Israeli bachurim and the stuff that are coming out of Israel with the news flying so fast that ppl are finally seeing how destructive they have been for so many years. putting the rebbe into there shtus. putting his picture in the dirtiest place and justifying it as outreach so ppl can rip the rebbes face. iv been disgusted by this crap for too long and im sick of ppl pushing even lubavicthers away from lubavitch. let alone the BT’s. i think someone had to take control and fast… and for g-d sakes leave the soldiers alone all we do is our duty to protect the land and fight the Arabs we have no conflict with the Jews in our land. we are only here to serve.
Srg…
webby keep it up
keep it up
although were few that know why,
Anonymous
to correct the record…
Summer, 5751:
In the spring of 5751, Rabbi Wolpo again asked the Rebbe if the time was ripe for him to publish his book “Yechi HaMelech,” which promoted as halacha that the Lubavitcher Rebbe must be recognized as the King Moshiach. The Rebbe answered:
“If he leaves out the portions, as discerned by understanding friends, that are liable to distance even a single Jew from learning Chassidus – then it is all-right. I will mention this at the Tzion.”
i.e. He basically has to write a whole new book, (that has nothing even slightly mentioning about the Rebbe being Moshiach). Did he listen? We all know that the answer is No!.
THE REBBE RAYATZ DID NOT FORGIVE LULAV
it is 80 years since Lulav reached for the Previous Rebbe’s bag and the Rebbe would not allow him to carry it. Lulav was Jewish! every year on 12th of Tammuz we still recall his name, for 80 years we will not forgive and we will not forget. we will not overlook. a Jew comes to do evil to another Jew, even if he was following orders, as Lulav certainly was, just wanting to do what he was convinced was best for his country. so why are the readers of crownheights dot info disillusioned about remembering Jews who do evil to other Jews?
TO DOV: to REcorect the record
to Dov.
even you agree that the Rebbe did see the book (reminder this was before the 27 of Adar), before it was bound… and the Rebbe let it be published and sold!!!
and hay! why didn’t M. Brod delete those chapters, when he edited it? (he does not deny it, it even says it in the foreword of the book)
please don’t re wright (change) history!
re: how the black book can save lives
it definetely does look like a good thing, but IT HAD TO BE DONE IN A WAY THAT DOESNT DESTRUCT LUBAVICTH!!
did you ever hear the word anonimousity?
but again, that would not get wolpo himself so much attention, so what would be the point of doing it?
Anonymous
“even you agree that the Rebbe did see the book”
Were did I agree?
The Rebbe reply was…
“If he leaves out the portions, as discerned by understanding friends, that are liable to distance even a single Jew from learning Chassidus – then it is all-right. I will mention this at the Tzion.”
Which means that the answe is the same it always has been, like I wrote before… “i.e. He basically has to write a whole new book, (that has nothing even slightly mentioning about the Rebbe being Moshiach). Did he listen? We all know that the answer is No!.
It does not mean that the Rebbe saw the book.
What are you suggesting, the Rebbe (g-d forbit) can’t make up his mind. i.e. Iyar, 5751:
In the farbrengen of the first Shabbos after the famous Sicha of 28 Nissan 5751, Rabbi Y. Ganzberg stood up and made an announcement in the Rebbe’s presence, saying that he must reveal himself as King Moshiach. The Rebbe responded, with a contorted face:
”Don’t tell me what to do…!“ (and many know the rest of the Rebbe’s remarks).
Again, the next Shabbos, in the middle of the farbrengen, Rabbi Dovid Nachshon burst out singing the tune ”Zol Shoin Zien Di Geulah“ with the words ”Yechi Adoneinu Moreinu v’Rabbeinu Melech Hamoshiach L’olam Voed,“ and many of the assembled crowd sang along with him. The next day, the Rebbe made it known through his secretary, Rabbi Groner, that:
”What they did was their responsibility,“
and ”because of them the Rebbe was coming down to prayers an hour late…“
In the month of Iyar, 5751, the editor of the weekly Kefar Chabad, Rabbi Aharon Dov Halprin, sent the Rebbe an article by Rabbi Yoel Kahan that he was considering printing. The article explained that one who truly believes his Rebbe is the leader of the generation, and who also believes in Moshiach, naturally has to believe that his Rebbe will be Moshiach. The Rebbe responded (on 17 Iyar) with a complete reputation:
”If, rachmana litzlan, you print anything even slightly similar to this – you should right away totally close down the magazine. The enclosed article is obviously baseless.“
In that month (Iyar, 5751) the editor of Yisroel Shelonu, Mr. Shmuel Shmuali, wanted to print in his newspaper about Moshiach in general, and more specifically, that the Lubavitcher Rebbe was Moshiach. The Rebbe replied:
”Regarding publishing about Moshiach, etc.:
“As evident from all the information coming in, the latest articles and columns on this subject have raised new antagonists, to the detriment of Chassidic learning and practice.
”In debates and disputations, especially in print, the questions are always easily established, but the answers are not always so forthcoming…
“Seemingly, considering the present state of affairs, it would be more sensible to suspend printing on this topic…”
Elul, 5751:
In Elul, 5751, Rabbi Dovid Nachshon sent the Rebbe a proposed program emphasizing the theme of Moshiach, sponsored by the “World Organization for Bringing Moshiach.” The Rebbe answered (on Elul 12, 5751):
“If you can do this in vessels of the World of Tikun [i.e., rationally and pragmatically] – as determined by one immersed in the World of Tikun, after reflection focused in the World of Tikun…”
*
Tishrei, 5752:
In Tishrei, 5752, Rabbi Dovid Nachshon received another message from the Rebbe, delivered by Rabbi Yehuda Yureslavsky, secretary of Vaad Rabbonei Chabad B’Ertzeinu Hakodesh. In this memorandum the Rebbe stated plainly:
“I forbid him to be involved in matters of Moshiach both now and in the future! ”
*
Mar-Cheshvan, 5752:
On Shabbos Parshas Noach, Mar-Cheshvan 4, 5752, Chassidim started the farbrengen by singing the “Yechi… Melech HaMoshiach…” When they finished singing the Rebbe said:
“This is extremely absurd. Here a song is sung with such words, while I sit here at the table… The truth is that I really should get up and leave!…
”As for why I am not leaving – first of all, whether I do or I don’t, it anyway would not help; and secondly, it would upset the goal of ‘sheves achim gam yachad’ (‘brethren sit even together’) – for if I leave others too will leave, and automatically this opportunity for ‘brethren sit even together’ would be lost. Everyone knows how important this is – as the Rashbi elaborates in the Zohar…”
And theres more…. All thses dates are almost weeks apart.
Anonymous
Adar I, 5752:
On 13 Adar I, 5752 (a scant 14 days before 27 Adar I), Neshei Women’s Organization of New York sent the Rebbe a pamphlet by Rabbi Wolpo that they wanted to distribute, titled “Kabolas P’nei Moshiach Tzidkeinu ,” which stated outright that the Lubavitcher Rebbe was King Moshiach. Immediately the Rebbe responded (with a copy to Vaad Agudas Chassidei Chabad):
“Urgent!
”I have already answered him that essays like this repel very many from learning Chassidus – the opposite of spreading the wellsprings to the outside!“
Just a few days before 27 Adar I, 5752, the Rebbe issued a handwritten answer to an individual (the facsimile was later released by the Rebbe’s secretary, Rabbi Binyamin Klein):
”There is no obligation at all to search for who is Moshiach – but there is a positive commandment of the Torah to love each and every Jew and avoid divisiveness to the extreme, and obviously one should not intentionally incite the opposite!“
My last post on this issue.
Summation
Those who go around publicizing that the Rebbe is King Moshiach should consider these points:
1) The Rebbe made it abundantly clear that Rabbi Wolpo, by publishing his ideas, chas v’sholom, is waging ”a specific and general war “ against the Rebbe.
2) Anyone who contributes to these activities is actually the Rebbe’s adversary, and in reality is fighting against Chabad Chassidus and Malka Moshicha.
3) Many thousands have stopped learning Chassidus as a result of such conduct.
4) Regarding singing ”Yechi,“ a few months before his stroke,the Rebbe declared that ”in truth he should get up and leave“ – only his leaving would not help anyway.
5) In one of his last written replies the Rebbe once more stressed, ”There is no obligation at all to try to identify who is Moshiach -. but there is a positive commandment of the Torah to love each and every Jew.”
anoynemos
we can go to the army bases and give them menorahas and donuts, however they are also responsible for destroying the lives of thousans of jews RABBI WOLPO IS A AMAZING PERSON I ADMIRE HIM RESPECT HIM AND IF I COULD AFFORD I WOULD BE A SUPPORTER OF HIM.
RE WRITING HISTORY!!!
you missed my point!
FACT: THE REBBE DID SEE THE BOOK!
if you check the Rebbes library you will see the date he received it!
IT WAS BEFORE THE 27 OF ADOR, AND STILL HE LET IT BE PUBLISHED AND SOLD!!!
Menachem Brod edited the book, for all parts that say the Rebbe is Moshiach, if there are parts left,(that you write “He basically has to write a whole new book”) then it is M. BROD fault!
what i am saying is “Nishtanu Haitim” in 1988 the time was not wright to say the Rebbe is Moshiach while in 1990 it was time, not Chas Vsholom like you say “can’t make up his mind”
and all thus answers are privet (most of them you made up or are out of content’s), but they dont match to what the Rebbe sayd in many many sichos!
when Boruch Nachson sayd Yechi the Rebbe responded with a a smile and a shake of the head!
AGAIN YOU ARE RE WRITING HISTORY!!!
AND GIVING IT YOUR OWN TWIST!!!
CHASSIDIM AIN MISHPACHA
MY FELLOW BROTHERS…………. I LOVE YOU!
JUST A MESSAGE OF LOVE AND ACHDUS TO TIP THE SCALES AND BRING MOSHIACH (WHICH WE SO DESPERATELY NEED) HERE NOW! CHASSIDIM AIN MISHPACHA……… (IT’S YIDDISH NOT HEBREW)
DONT JUST LOVE THOSE YOU AGREE WITH….. LOVE EVERY JEW. THE REBBE SHOWED EACH ONE OF US LOVE AND COMPASSION, HOW CAN WE NOT
avrohom
i agree with “who Menachem Brod really is” 100%
i think he puts things in a new perspective
thanks
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i know Rabbi Wolpo personally, he is a “Gaon Adir”, and i am sure i thought things throw, so although you may not agree with him, don’t attack him!
Anonymous
A “New Era”(Nishtanu Haitim)?!
As known, the Mishichistim have a classic explanation for why they say they may brazenly transgress the Rebbe’s words – despite the fact that “the words of the righteous are established forever,” and chas v’sholom to say the Rebbe “regrets” the clear directives he told us to forever follow. Their explanation can be summed up in merely two words: “Tekufa Chadasha ” – it is a “New Era”!
The Mishichistim use these words as their main weapon in all their rhetoric and debates. It is futile to show them any of the Rebbe’s letters or speeches that pertain to the topic – you could “stand on your head” but it wouldn’t help. Despite knowing that the Rebbe’s words are “Holy of Holies,” to everything they have this plain and simple rejoinder: It is a “New Era,” and therefore they may defiantly carry on their warfare against the Rebbe!
“New Era” – Slogan of the Reformers
Actually, espousing this idea, a violation of Torah, was not invented for the first time by the Mishichistim – is was already introduced long ago by proponents of Haskala and Reform movements.
Rabbi Weiss, founder of the Reform movement in America, announced that not everything written in the Torah, given at Mt. Sinai, is relevant for our present time! If the Torah were given not in the desert, but in modern America, it certainly would be permitted to light a fire on Shabbos! Is this work?! Perhaps in the Sinai Desert at the time the Torah was given, when people had to use sulfur and the like, then on Shabbos this was considered hard work! But here in America today this is easy! Therefore, with this reasoning he announced that according to Torah it is a “New Era,” and it permitted to violate the Shabbos. On the contrary, he explained, to ride in a car on Shabbos is… fulfilling the Mitzvah of “Shabbos pleasure ” – rachmana litzlan!
levi
dov, kol hakavod you write well.
heres just a few examples of the rebbe´s opposition, i hope it’ll help people understand a bit how bad our situation is.
Tishrei, 5752:
In Tishrei, 5752, Rabbi Dovid Nachshon received another message from the Rebbe, delivered by Rabbi Yehuda Yureslavsky, secretary of Vaad Rabbonei Chabad B’Ertzeinu Hakodesh. In this memorandum the Rebbe stated plainly:
“I forbid him to be involved in matters of Moshiach both now and in the future! ”
Mar-Cheshvan, 5752:
On Shabbos Parshas Noach, Mar-Cheshvan 4, 5752, Chassidim started the farbrengen by singing the “Yechi… Melech HaMoshiach…” When they finished singing the Rebbe said:
“This is extremely absurd. Here a song is sung with such words, while I sit here at the table… The truth is that I really should get up and leave!…
”As for why I am not leaving – first of all, whether I do or I don’t, it anyway would not help; and secondly, it would upset the goal of ‘sheves achim gam yachad’ (‘brethren sit even together’) – for if I leave others too will leave, and automatically this opportunity for ‘brethren sit even together’ would be lost. Everyone knows how important this is – as the Rashbi elaborates in the Zohar…“
Shvat, 5752:
In the month of Shvat, 5752, there was a concerted drive to accumulate signatures on petitions ”to accept the Rebbe’s Sovereignty.“ The program ”Itim“ called the public relations representative of ”Tzach“ in Israel, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Brod, asking for his reaction to this phenomenon – but at first he deferred to comment on the matter.
Afterward, the newspapers got hold of the story, and they invited Rabbi Brod to appear in a television interview to explain what was happening. After consultations he decided to go ahead and explain as mildly as possible – that Chassidim naturally think of their Rebbe as fitting to be Moshiach, and in order to strengthen their faith they even express themselves in writing that they are totally dedicated to him and prepared to act with him to bring the redemption…
That evening he sent a report of the day’s events to the Rebbe, and he right away received the Rebbe’s holy reply:
”So he should continue to do in the future… However, he doesn’t understand that the more he says the more he will get drawn into this.“
Shvat, 5752:
To many who wrote letters to the Rebbe addressing him as ”The Rebbe Melech HaMoshiach,“ the Rebbe replied:
”When he will arrive I will give this to him.“
Adar I, 5752:
On 13 Adar I, 5752 (a scant 14 days before 27 Adar I), Neshei Women’s Organization of New York sent the Rebbe a pamphlet by Rabbi Wolpo that they wanted to distribute, titled ”Kabolas P’nei Moshiach Tzidkeinu ,“ which stated outright that the Lubavitcher Rebbe was King Moshiach. Immediately the Rebbe responded (with a copy to Vaad Agudas Chassidei Chabad):
”Urgent!
“I have already answered him that essays like this repel very many from learning Chassidus – the opposite of spreading the wellsprings to the outside!”
Just a few days before 27 Adar I, 5752, the Rebbe issued a handwritten answer to an individual (the facsimile was later released by the Rebbe’s secretary, Rabbi Binyamin Klein):
“There is no obligation at all to search for who is Moshiach – but there is a positive commandment of the Torah to love each and every Jew and avoid divisiveness to the extreme, and obviously one should not intentionally incite the opposite!”
it tells me that my comment is too long to im continuing it on the next comment:
levi 2
continued from above comment titled levi being thats its too long
After 27 Adar I, 5752, the Rebbe was no longer able to answer by speaking or writing, but he was still able to answer by shaking his head “Yes” or “No.” The following are some of his answers in this period:
Iyar, 5752:
In Iyar, 5752, a Shliach in California, Rabbi Dovid Aliezri, sent the Rebbe a letter with three questions: 1) Should activities pertaining to Moshiach be separate, but on a par with, the Chabad House’s other activities? Or are they meant to be the main stress of all the activities? 2) Is necessary to indicate who is Moshiach? 3) Should it be publicized that our period is the period of Moshiach’s coming? The letter was read by the Rebbe’s secretary, Rabbi Groner, and the Rebbe responded by shaking his head:
To the first part of the first question (Should activities pertaining to Moshiach be separate, but on a par with, the Chabad House’s other activities?) the Rebbe shook his head to indicate “No.”
To the second part of the first question (Or are they meant to be the main stress of all the activities?) he shook his head twice to indicate “Yes! ”
To the second question (Is necessary to indicate who is Moshiach?) the Rebbe shook his head vigorously to indicate “No!”
To the third question (Should it be publicized that our period is the period of Moshiach’s coming?) he shook his head “Yes.”
At about the same time as this Rabbi Yoseph Yitzchak Gutnik asked the Rebbe if he should fund projects of the “International Campaign to Bring Moshiach” which was publicizing that the Lubavitcher Rebbe was King Moshiach.
The Rebbe shook his head “No!”
Sivan, 5752:
During Sefiras Ha’omer, 5752, Rabbis Yitzchak Dovid Groner and Chaim Gutnik, from Australia, traveled through a number of countries to publicize that the Lubavitcher Rebbe was presumed to be Moshiach. Their journey’s goal was to have as many Chabad Rabbonim as possible gather in Crown Heights on the holiday of Shevuos for meetings and discussions, and afterwards to hold a general meeting of all Anash in 770.
At their discussion sessions these Rabbis decided to publicize a program with a number of propositions, which they planed read in public in 770. Before releasing this program, these Rabbis (together with Rabbi Chanzin and others) asked Rabbi Groner to read it to the Rebbe.
Rabbi Groner reported back to them that to every point the Rebbe shook his head affirmatively, but when he read the proposition about declaring the Rebbe the “presumed Moshiach” the Rebbe’s reaction was different:
The Rebbe shook his head very strongly “No!”
now, the yetzer hara is very big, so im not sure after reading this many messianics will ask: but what about the times the rebbe encouraged it? times changed? and what about this, and what about that? so being that unfortunately i cant sit with you and explain yo you how you’re %100 wrong, im going to ask you: please be honest with yourself, do some research and take a look at were the ‘antis’ and were the ‘meshichistim’ are holding today.
answer to re: how the black book can...
if you are still there… i want to tell you that Chabad-Lubavitch will not be destroyed by the Black Book. not a chance in heaven! (as the saying goes) remember Rabbi Berger? he wrote a book a few years back that freaked out all the corporate Lubavs. they could not stop flapping and scurrying to put down the extreme element – their own brothers – whom they perceived as soooo powerful they would destroy Chabad. the comparison is limited. Berger was being hostile and Wolpo is being productive. but the paranoia is the same. where is Berger today? where is Chabad today? the Black Book will not destroy Chabad, not a chance!
you want the Black Book project to be anonymous. using your name shows that you take responsibility for your words and actions. having your name in public just makes trouble. look at all the hatred Wolpo stirred up against himself. he knew that will happen. anyone who takes responsibility for an unpopular stand knows that happens.
keep thinking!
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