Court Ruling Leaves R. Braun in Limbo

CROWN HEIGHTS [CHI] — In the struggle over control of the Crown Heights Vaad HaKashrus, the New York State Supreme Court threw R. Yosef Braun’s election into limbo while refusing to enforce the Psak from the Zablo Beis Din, saying that “all controversies over control… are remanded to the Rosenberg Beis Din.”

Yesterday, July 5th 2012, the honorable judge Karen B. Rothenberg issued a six page ruling on matters pertaining to the Psak that was issued by the Zablo Beis Din, headed by Rabbi Avrohom Boruch Rosenbeg. The decision focused primarily on the matter of control of the Vaad Hakashrus, as well as the legitimacy of R. Yosef Brauns election and the enforcement of the entire Psak Din.

This court action was commenced in April of 2011 by lawyer Elie Poltorak – a former member of the Vaad Hakohol who was overwhelmingly ousted in the last elections – on behalf of Vaad chairman Zaki Tamir and in the name of the entire Vaad.

As with the election of R. Braun, controversy surrounded the court action when CrownHeights.info discovered that it was done without the consent or discussion of the Vaad Hakohol. When Mr. Tamir was asked about this he began to explain, but ended up stammering and could not provide a clear answer to our reporter. “We have been speaking about it for months, but we never… and the deadline was coming up… and Boruch Hashem we got it in time” said Tamir, however Yossi Hackner, the Vaad’s attaché to the Vaad HaKashrus, told us that he had no knowledge of the court filings, or that it was in the works.

This decision comes over a year after the initial filing and summery; the judge recognized that there were real issues at hand, but that the court could not get involved and ordered that all issues be worked out back in the Rosenberg Beis Din, throwing the legitimacy R. Braun’s election into the hands of the Rosenberg Beis Din, which dissolved itself after Rosenberg resigned and referred all further discussion to any other Beis Din.

Rabbi Avrohom Osdoba sought out the counsel of the Beis Din of Rabbi Chaim Krauss, who summoned R. Braun to a Din Torah, but he refused to appear. A Psak Din was issued against R. Braun stating that “he should be placed in Siruv for refusing to appear, and that anyone who wished to seek his rabbinical counsel should first ask a legitimate Rov.”

21 Comments

  • Read What is Says

    This ruling is a DISASTER for Osdoba. The court gives full control of the issues to the Rosenberg Beis Din and the Rosenberg Beis Din ruled that Braun is legit and that he won the election. (The Rosenberg Beis Din will likely cut Braun [and Schwei] into the CH Kashrus action.)

  • Pathetic

    this is completely pathetic. you are all wasting time with the insane case when you should be working on helping others. you are all complete wastes of space for all this. nobody should listen to you or follow you because you set a bad example. I cannot believe this is still ongoing.

    PATHETIC!

  • kangaroo

    What limbo are you talking about. See page 7 “The Rosenberg arbitration panel, in any event, has clearly and unequivocally confirmed the results of that election, which undermines respondents’ argument even if a condition precedent applied.” Then she denied the cross motion by Rabbi Osdoba to vacate the Rosenberg psak din and she “ORDERED …. and the issue wheter the election of a third memeber to the Beth Din of Crown Height is a condition precedent for enforcement of the Rosenberg Beth Din’s April 14, 2010 award together with a determination whether or not such a condition has been satisfied is remanded to the Rosenberg Beth Din”
    That means the election are confirmed and Rabbi Braun was elected to be a member of the CH BD and if you have any question or issue you must go back to the Rosenbergs beis din not to kangaroo botei dinim.

  • waste of money

    SHAME SHAME SHAME ON THE VAAD HAKOHOL FOR WASTING MONEY TO GO TO COURT TO GET NOTHING!!!

    SHAME SHAME SHAME OM MR TAMIR AND POLTRAK FOR PULLING THIS COMMUNITY TO A NEW LOW

    SHAME SHAME SHAME ON BRAUN FOR MAKING CROWN HEIGHTS WORSE THEN IT EVER WAS

    SHAME ON ANYONE THAT SUPPORTS THESE CLOWNS
    YOUR DAYS ARE NUMBERED

  • CHLEAKS.COM

    “lawyer Elie Poltorak – a former member of the Vaad Hakohol who was overwhelmingly ousted in the last elections”

    The whole elections was a shame, a scam and a fraud. The people of Crown Heights were doped into going out and voting. The results ended the same. The same old gangsters and thieves running the show and stealing money. The Chanina Sperlin Family and Co. runs the CHJCC. The CHJCC is a scam!

    It has been [relatively] quite in the Shchuna these past two year only as a result of of the Blogs (CHLEAKS.COM) exposing these Ganovim for who they are. The Ganovim and Mossrim are (finally) on the defense and don’t have time to attack good innocent people.

    Hopefully by the time the next elections are supposed to happen, there won’t be a CHJCC and their corrupt Beis Din!

  • Not Effected

    and this effect our lives how?

    does this help us pay tuition?

    does this help the Yeshivas with funding?

    does this pay the teachers?

    does this help needy families?

    does this take care of our drug problems?

    does this feed any hungry families?

    etc…etc…etc…

    This news (not bashing ch.info for reporting) does nothing for any Crown Heights resident.

    So my dear Zaki Tamir, Eli Poltorak and the rest of the CHJCC Ganovim and Mossrim….GET A LIFE…MOVE ASIDE AND JUST SHUT UP!

  • How To Win!!!

    If this goes back to Rosenberg, then we must do what the mossrim have done until now.

    We must call, email, fax etc… Rosenberg voicing our, demands, concerns, questions, protest etc… every day, every hour (about 6 times an hour).

    The above tactic is how the mossrim managed to get to Rosenberg and as a result get everything they wanted.

    If you want to win you most be ready to out do your opponent. If you want to win you must be the better person. Whatever your opponent does you must do better!

    During the Din Torah (which really was and is irrelevant to all of us and I’m just writing this comment for the fun of it), the Osdoba faction was playing nice, thats not how you win!

  • Mazal Tov for Rabbi Osdoba

    The Truth and emes wins , Rabbi Osdoba is the original Rov till Moshiach comes States the Rebbe Melech Hamoshiach
    any Machlokes ended its road here Parshas Bolok
    The hackers of machlokes are now over , only what Hashem says can Bilam do !
    Ma Tovu Oholecho yaakov , Try to curse ! it becomes only more Brachos
    Long live the Crown Heights Vaad Hakashrus which served CH for more than 30 years .
    The money to feed broun family is his problem getting a job like every one else , not by stealing money from vaad Hakashrus
    fooling the community he has Smicha then lied about it, the Election was a fraud , together with all his friends who has been the undercurrents of Machlokes that forced the Shwei swindle on the community

  • Sheker ain Loh Raglayim

    The year of Braun pamphlets about how bad tzinius is in the Rebbe Schunah Has come to an end BH
    This style of policing belongs“ not here”
    Never heard the Rebbe talk at a Farbrengen about the topics this “imposter Braun” is forcing upon this beautiful schunah .
    Go back to where you came from !!You are not bringing peace but the opposite

    Imposter Braun said ” Blut zol Gizzen , uber Sholom vet zain , I only see the bitter Machokes , look at the Vaad Hakohol beis din door to see for yourselves , what a busha , Tearing down the best Rov we have, signs for selling Chometz , because it takes MONEY away from the Braun Imposter ( disqualified to run in the Election because of sheker !!)

  • Spell Checker

    Rabbi Osdoba brought a case to the Kraus Beis Din?

    Check it out. It was independent CHTS residents.

  • Babies?

    Are you serious? THIS is a spiritual environment? Men can not figure out a way to be sincere and work this ridiculous stuff out? Oy! How sad a message this is, and what a sad example of Yidishkeit this is. One would expect better from supposed “leaders” among us. I’d just as soon avoid them altogether and function without their input, unless they can grow up and act like mensches.

  • Lost

    To all sore losers please open up your eyes stop covering them and make yourselves blind, admit that you lost and start a new life don’t support the ones that can’t lose and are going against Torah, Halocho and mentchlechkeit. To number 13 please just read Krauses BD letters that clearly states who went to them and is the toveah along with the CHTS residents, no other then Rabbi Osdoba Bekvodo Uveatzmo and stop the big SHEKER once and for all !!!!

  • to number 13

    I don’t understand who are you trying to fool others or yourself? Why don’t you click on the above link and read the translation of the Kraus BD letter that quotes “The summons to the Din Torah came on behalf of Rabbi Avrohom Osdoba, along with a number of askanim in Crown Heights ….” This speaks for itself stop the SHEKER stop supporting sore losers and Rabbonim that don’t listen to piskei dinim that that are not on their favor!!!!

  • Losing it

    I noticed Chanina Sperlin was screaming on top of his lungs threatening the Gaboiim, Shandhaus was red faced and burning mad, Herzog was dancing around with a nervous smile, Schwei sounded like he’s losing it, he’s not sure what he needs to do and where he needs to go, Braun looks seriously hungry and angry, Kraus is trying to cheer them up, but where was Holzman to fix the situation?

  • Lakewood Resident

    There is now a major court Battle going on between the Kotlers in Lakewood and Rav Reuvein Feinstein in Staten Island Regarding A Get check out the Lakewood view.com and Yudels rest of the story and Daattorah.blogspot

  • Did You Know...

    …That the Crown Heights Jewish Community Council, Inc. received over $10 million dollars since 2009 to assist needy families?

    Did you know that the above lawsuit was must properly paid with some of that money?

    Did you know that the Ganovim and Mossrim at the CHJCC have been creating Machlokes (controversies) in the community to keep the people (you and me) busy/distracted with stupidity while they rob us blind?

    If you didn’t know this until now…well, now you do!
    We learn new things everyday ;)

  • Win or Lose?

    This is not so much of a “Win” for the Osdoba faction. It is more of a “loss” for the mossrim and Ganovim faction and that my friends is a WIN for everybody.

    The reason this is a win, is because the situation (whatever it is or was..i don’t really care) stays the same, the Judge order just keeps everything in status quo (by sending it back to Rosenberg).

    Anytime Poltorak has his tail between his feet (once again), its an automatic win for me.