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Cops Tackle, Mace Father Inside Beis Rivkah

The father of a Beis Rivkah student was on his way to drop off doughnuts at his daughter’s class for her birthday this morning, when a confrontation with police led to him being tackled and maced in front of several horrified parents, teachers and young students.

The incident began to unfold today, Thursday, at around 9:00am. According to witnesses, the man had parked his car and was heading toward the school’s main entrance, when a police officer accosted him and accused him of having committed a traffic violation.

The man denied the charges and refused to present his driver’s license to the officer, at which point the officer demanded that he place his hands behind his back as he was placing him under arrest.

Instead of complying, the man entered the school building, where witnesses saw him standing in the stairwell and holding the handrail, refusing the police officer’s orders to give him his hands.

Witnesses clarified that the cop was alone while trying to make the arrest, with his partner more than halfway down the block in the midst of another traffic-stop, rendering him unable to subdue the suspect.

Meanwhile, inside the school, things were escalating quickly and getting louder, all while dozens of parents were dropping off their children for the school day. By the time the officer was joined by his partner, the confrontation had moved into the school’s hallway, near the young girls’ classrooms.

Cell phone video obtained by CrownHeights.info shows one officer – who had no idea what had led to the confrontation – attempting to reason with the man, saying: “we can do this the right way or the wrong way.”

The altercation persisted for nearly ten minutes, as it migrated from the hallway into the glass atrium – which serves as the main entrance for parents pushing a wagons or strollers. There, the officer who had originally stopped the man got fed up and sprayed the man with mace.

Everyone in the vicinity, including both officers and a witness who was filming the incident, teared and choked up from the mace.

The man was then cuffed and hauled off to the 71st Precinct for booking.

Was the Situation Avoidable?

Questions persist as to why the officer approached the man for a “traffic stop” alone, which seems to be a departure from police procedure and allowed for the situation to escalate and migrate into a school building with young children inside.

A spokesman for the 71st Precinct told CrownHeights.info that while it isn’t recommended for safety reasons, approaching an offender alone is not a violation of police procedure per se.

One bystander had his own theory: “Cops are on a mission to pull over as many cars as they can and at any cost, even if it means putting people in danger, which is why they split up,” he said.

Benjy Stock, the administrator of Beis Rivkah, told CrownHeights.info: “Police cooperate with us very well; whenever we need them they are always there within minutes. I don’t know what happened in this case, and therefore cannot comment.”

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116 Comments

  • lifelight

    Another case of police brutality, bullying…..You name it because I cannot, other than what it really is!!!

  • both wrong

    The officer was wrong for using mace in the building occupyed bychildren. The person who got arrested was wrong for running into the building and resisting arrest thereby putting himself in a bad predicament.

    • Milhouse

      If he didn’t do anything wrong, why should he just submit to the cop’s demands? He wasn’t in the car, so he was under no obligation to show a driver’s license.

  • By stander

    As someone who was standing on the corner waiting to cross i heard the police ask for his license and registration to which the man responded i do not have it. The cop did not ask him to put his hands on the car so he could be arrested but wanted to speak to him and the man immediately ran into the school. The police may have been wrong in stopping him but one thing is certain you NEVER run away from the police you only make matters worse for you.

  • Citizen Berel

    It’s a bad bad idea to make cops mad cause they’re people what have guns and mace and a big metal stick what they can hit you with. And there mostly jobnicks what don’t know how to handle difficult situations.

    So now we have to wail and nash and scream cause a Yid what acted dumb dumb dumb got maced in the face by a policeman.

    WE NEED TO PROTEST!
    NO JUSTICE NO PEACE!

  • hgy

    no respect for these low life cops….sick discusting shameful…in a childrens school. im so sick of todays cops…

  • mendoza

    they will spray what ever the have . as long as they get there collar . the guy is lucky he did not use a stun gun

    • Montrealer

      I’m pretty sure that if he would have been carrying a stun gun he would have used it.

  • student

    the scene was shocking,
    how can they do something on a floor were young children learn?

    • Yankel

      The only one to blame then is the one who ran into the school and tried to use the kids as human shields.

  • let's protest!

    this is sick, they ticket us like it’s rain, they make laws that are impossible to keep (alternate side $115 for forgetting to move within a minute no grace period for double parking) do they PROTECT us with the same intensity? hardly…..

  • why didn't he comply?

    Overreaction by the Police officer, I can’t say I wasn’t there. But why didn’t the man comply?

    “man denied the charges and refused to present his driver’s license to the office”

    Why didn’t he comply?

    “the officer demanded that he place his hands behind his back as he was placing him under arrest.

    Instead of complying, the man entered the school building,”

    Why didn’t he comply?

    “refusing the police officer’s orders to give him his hands.”

    Why didn’t he comply?

    • Milhouse

      Why should he comply? It’s a free country, and we are not slaves of the police, to have to obey their orders. They are our servants, not the other way around. If the policeman actually witnessed him an offense, then he had the right to give him a ticket if he had ID on him, or to arrest him if he didn’t. But if (as the man seems to have claimed) he didn’t see an offense, because there wasn’t one to see, then he had no business demanding ID or anything else.

    • Boston Legal

      Milhouse, the police are supposed to ENFORCE the law. That said, citizens are supposed to OBEY the law. Are we clear so far? Good. Therefore, if a police officer accuses a citizen of BREAKING the law, said law demands that a judge/jury decide who is at fault and who isn’t. In this case, the police officer accused a citizen of breaking the law. If the citizen disagrees with the charges, it’s his lawful right to challenge them in a court of law. By failing to submit to an arrest, he was not only breaking the law, but breaking the law in a visibly aggravated, documented manner thanks to whomever recorded the incident.

      FYI, any time a peace officer pulls you over, it is a form arrest. In this case, the man was accused of a crime that an officer claimed to have witnessed. That in and of itself is cause for arrest. If the case goes to court, both parties will have to testify and present evidence pertinent to their respective claims. In this case, the accused has a further strike against himself since he resisted arrest. Furthermore, being in a “free country” doesn’t mean we aren’t subject to established law enforcement procedures designed to enforce laws. Bottom line, if a police officer accuses you of a crime then challenge him in court. Don’t resist arrest, throw a public tantrum and then accuse the city of antisemitism, brutality, etc. As for you, Milhouse, I suggest you learn how the American legal system operates before posting on these stories as some self-proclaimed expert on matters beyond your scope. Funny thing is many people simply emotionally react to stories like this without clearly thinking things through. You, however, have calculated and conceived a response that demonstrates mental clarity, which is doubly disturbing considering the force with which you project your own ignorance. I’d like to think you mean well but the evidence would suggest otherwise; it seems that every other story on this site is followed by a “Milhouse” comment designed to elicit a strong reaction, thereby providing a ripe platform through which you can admonish others and (though further perversion) feel better about yourself. As the under 35 crowd would say, “that’s messed up, dude” I second that sentiment.

    • BW

      The word “comply” is a word from the dictionary of fascist countries. The police had his plate and could have issued a summons for driving violation if appropriate, but a citizen just walking doesn’t need to “comply” to police. The constitution protects our rights.

    • Milhouse

      Boston, you only have to submit to a legitimate arrest. A policeman who is attempting to falsely arrest you is just a common criminal, and under the common law you have the right to resist, even with force; you certainly have no obligation to cooperate with your own kidnapping. (Yes, I’m aware that the Indiana Supreme Court recently ruled otherwise, thus making Indiana a police state. That is a very disturbing ruling, that should not be encouraged to spread into other states.)

    • He ran into the school..

      Evading police is a very serious matter. This is not a peaceful lack of compliance, such as just sitting on the ground. Police at this point had to take him as a serious threat, even if he was just carrying donuts. Nothing the cops did surprised me. I know people who ended up much worse for running.

    • bob unger

      amazing to read all the comments here by typical obediant galut minded Jews–the galut mentality exists among the orthodox as much as the assimilated Jews–dumb sheep

    • So...

      What’s your point Bob? Besides that all Jews secular or religious are sheep?

      Care to share your opinion or just name call? You must live such an enlightened life.

    • Bob Unger

      I used a metaphor, I did not name call. I never used the words “all Jews”. Certainly I can easily prove “most Jews” are sheep. Only sheep vote 80% for the wolf [Obama] and make “peace” deals w the Arab Nazis. Read “Perfidy” by Ben Hecht to begin your sorely needed education

    • Milhouse

      Police at this point had to take him as a serious threat,

      Excuse me? A threat to whom? He wasn’t running towards them; he ran away from them, so how could they have felt threatened?

  • Police State

    the USA is now Police state just like Syria And Lebanon we see more and more people stooped for false tikets.
    lets just ask HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU KNOW THAT DID NOT GET A TRAFFIC TIKET ???
    I don’t even know ONE.
    Just think about a state that every person is a violator .

    • bob unger

      First of all, I am not name calling, I am using a metaphor. Secondly, I never said “ALL Jews”—just most—and indeed most are sheep===take a look at Obama voting numbers for Jews. I am a lawyer and I rest my very easy to prove case.

  • my opinion

    If the police asks you for your driver licence, you have to show it.
    You wanted to outsmart them and didn’t work
    You were too naive thinking that the police would care about our kids
    It looks that you didn’t care either

    • Milhouse

      Wrong. If you are not driving a car, you do not have to show the police anything. They are not kings.

  • This is a shame

    How can this go on with out a response, where is the sensitivity, when do we march to the precinct and with flyers I say Sunday. In willy they would go bunkers mace a man in a school for a traffic ticket,

    • Yankel

      I’m glad this is CH and not willy. He was maced for resisting, and he deserved it.

      Next time if he disagrees with the police he should fight it in court instead of using kids and a school to protect himself.

  • let's protest!

    If a cop asks for your ID (and you’re not in a car) are you required by law to give it to them?

    • Milhouse

      No, you’re not. (But if they’re writing you a ticket for something, and you can’t show ID so they know what name to put on it, then they can take you in until they can identify you properly.)

  • wow. some people...

    to me it is absolutely unbelievable how many people are freaking out and attacking the cops! with all the antisemitism out there people build up this “block” in their heads and automatically will attack the offender without thinking things through.
    1) lets just say many many people wouldnt be surprised to hear that this specific man made an illegal turn or whatever violation that it would be.
    2) the guy had a foreign license
    3) he had his license suspended not 1, not 2, but 22 times!!!!!!!!!!!!!! read it again 22…
    this shows to anybody close to the man in person that it is extremely possible and not surprising that he was actually guilty. but that isnt even the point! the point is that this guy made such a bad move by running away, and even running into a elementary school! what exactly did he expect to happen??? were they going to let him go???? so if there is anybody to blame for the teachers and/or students that were traumatized or inhaled the mace, honestly i think it should be the man himself! just like you dont argue with your principal, you dont run away or bother a cop! it is a battle that you wont win! not only that but by running away and resisting the cops order to hand over his license almost shows how guilty and how scared he was to get in trouble again! i cant fathom how any of his actions helped his situation. he ended up making a fool out of himself and an embarrassment to his family. what a guy like this has to do is CALM DOWN! a person has to learn from his mistakes and keep himself, his family and maybe most importantly his reputation out of trouble. so to me none of his actions made sense, but getting back to my point earlier… the fact that people are going to totally ignore the fact that he was wrong and right away go and accuse and disrespect the cops is truly astonishing! the cop is the one who keeps the peace ( believe it or not… ) and on the cops part he probably felt disrespected when he sees a man do something wrong and not only deny it but try to get away.. if anything that only proves to the cop more that he is right and now the cop feels like he needs to prove himself. why all of the sudden is it that “no sensitivity” “shameful” “low life cops” “disrespectful” and all of these comments go against the police?! did they did they do anything wrong? yeah they maced a man and true it was in a school in front of kids and parents BUT WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?????????? the guys an idiot for going into the school?! this isnt a case of anitsemitism its a chilul hashem!! this man deserves to be banned from the road and on one hand its a miracle that nobody got severly inured from this man yet and it actually about time that he got banned from the road for good. if i had time i would write everything thats on my mind and definitely more clearly. but it is what it is. M’shnichnas adar marbim besimcha! everyone should only be happy and safe!

    • Montrealer

      If you wouldn’t have quoted Jewish text I would have been sure you were a cop. Otherwise how else would you know that his license was suspended 22 times ? besides also your high regards for the police. But honestly we all know that a big percentage of the tickets they issue the ticketed are innocent. After all they do have quotas to adhere to.

  • wow. some people...

    people really have to stop with the protests! the only thing that should be protested is how this man is allowed to drive

  • mendy

    Every morning there is a police car at lefferts and Brooklyn pulling people over like crazy be careful

  • TICKETS

    every morning these cops hide on that corner to give out as many tickets as possible they are always very obnoxious and are not there to “serve and protect” rather they are there “ticket and harass” the neighborhood. we let them get away with it and now they take it to a new level.

  • A bais rivkah 8th grader

    We were davening in the music room and heard screaming, the guy was yelling at the police that he didnt do anything wrong… hwo i heard the story was that he made a right turn onto lefferts (which is not allowed from 9-10 but if he was black the police probably wouldnt have done anything) and he went inside to bring in donuts for his daughters birthday, he was going to bring in other stuff later. he came in and the police followed him and his daughters teacher quickly brought her in her classroom so she wouldnt see… some teachers came and the guy was yelling at the police and trying to push him away, he called for backup and he refused to go in the car so they sprayed him and threw him in the car. we were all so worried!!!!!! also all the girls were looking out the windows, we saw most of what happened it was crazy!

  • Common sense

    If the man had nothing to hide then why not answer the questions of the police. By running into the school and away from the police he obviously appeared guilty of something.

  • You are a fool

    Milhouse you are a fool he and you are 100% wrong!
    In this country of laws you stop when a police officer says to stop.
    It’s fools like you that cause black hats to have bad relations with the NYPD.

  • Anonymous

    What a birthday gift the cops gave this young girl-putting her father in jail. She should write to the police chief at the 71st and tell how she feels.

  • Stop

    You people all sound ridiculous, the father was wrong, and has to face it. What did he think running away from the police, as if they wouldn’t catch him? Did he think it was responsible to run into a school full of children, a big chilul Hashem.

  • Sick...

    *Under what authority does a policeman approach a traffic violator outside the car? If you see a traffic violation, you pull the man over with lights and sirens.

    *Under no circumstances does a policeman have the right to mace a father in the presence of children. That area of the building is occupied by the early head-start, as well as the homework and tutoring areas.

    *If the traffic violation was the “No turn off Brooklyn onto Lefferts” rule, that sign is down more than it’s up. it can also be blocked by buses and other large vehicles.

    I bet if it was not a Jew, the violation would have gone unnoticed. I am convinced after seeing how many Jews are being targeted for minor violations while non Jews unhesitatingly speed down streets at crazy paces (I was almost run over on Kingston by some crazy goy blasting his radio and going about 75 mph) that this is a case of bias and it needs to be stopped. I don’t care what the spokesman said, and I agree that the man acted foolishly, but this escalated too quickly.

  • Out of proportion

    What does the car have to do with it?

    A few years ago(?), two bochurim got arrested for standing on the sidewalk in front of their apartment building – just because a cop told them to move or some other nonsense, and they did not immediately comply.

    Whether the guy was right or wrong, there must be a proportional response. My daughter told me that there were 5 police cars, and that the cops threatened one of the secretaries and verbally abused her.

    A hundred dollar ticket has now ballooned into jail time and court fees for the guy. In addition there should and probably will be a law suit against the police for traumatizing the children and school staff and endangering the welfare of the children in the school.

    Just because a reckless cop did not get sufficient sensitivity training about this community and because an overzealous precinct needs to raise funds at the expense of the community’s good will.

    He probably could have just slapped the ticket on the car for the same result. But, of course, he had to rush head-on, guns blazing, into a school because of his ego.

    I thought that this new captain would bring even better relations between the police and the community. Especially since everyone knows that CH is a delicate community. Sadly it appears that this is not the case.

  • THe jacks who is talking is a wacko

    When you brake the law and run from the police you will get arrested what was he thinking he made an illegal LEFT which is for the safety of the all of the Bais Rivkah girls that during school hours nobody can make a left and this guy does it so he deserves everything he gets. Resisiting arrest what a moran.

    Go Cops We love you

  • what in HEAVEN"S NAME!?!?!

    What KIND of CRIME did he EVEN commit to deserve being maced?!?!?!?! so ridiculous!!! PLS keep us posted of wtve happened to him & the officer that did it!!!!!

  • Book Binder

    its sad that he had to go tojail

    what wasint mentioned is that hatzoloh was on the scene

  • now he can pay tution with the lawsuit money

    An arrest which stems from an unauthorized stop can yield 15k for the one arrested. Should cover some tuition.

  • Mom of BR students

    Living in CH has become very frightening, especially with these terror stories of cops who are supposed to protect us.
    This would NEVER happen in Willliamsburg or Boro Park!! They wouldn’t stand for it.
    Very surprised that people are taking the cops sides
    I wonder if anyone, anywhere will do something about this!!
    Benjy Stock – please help protect our people and not side with cops.

  • lessons?

    What lesson do you teach your children when you badmouth the cops in front of them?

    You are breeding contempt. The problem with this community is that you think you are above the law. If you break the law, you get ticketed. You dont like it? Move to russia.

    How can you back a guy that breaks the law and then defies the police in front of children on his daughter’s birthday? What a jerk

    • BW

      Hey Jerk, you should move to Russia if you love police states. The police are not the law. The constitution is. If he broke a driving infraction, at best, the police can leave a summons on his car window. At the time of incident, he was a pedestrian and a police officer can not detain someone who isn’t an imminent danger without an arrest warrant. You are a real jerk and putz.

      Well more than 50% of the police departments focus is on tickets. i.e. revenue. These bullys should not even have the right to call themselves cops. They should be referred to as Deblasio’s army of revenue collectors. Or fundraisers for the NYPD donut fund.

  • yan

    News flash when a police officers ask you for your ID you have to present it to him .regardless whether you where driving or not .It’s it against the law not to valid ID in New York , fhat’s a fact ..and then he runs in to a school. Come how is the cop supposed to that he wasn’t going to hurt somebody …ever heard of school shootings.. any Jewish person screaming anti-semitism or police brutality..should be a shamed of them self…

    • Milhouse

      Yan, you are a liar. This is still a free country, where we have the right to go about our lawful business with empty pockets, and not expect to hear “papieren, bitte“.

    • israel

      From the NYCLU which is no friend of the cops

      http://www.nyclu.org/node/3249

      3. In New York, you are not required to carry ID, and you don’t have to show ID to a police officer. If you are issued a summons or arrested, however, and you refuse to produce ID or tell officers who you are,the police may detain you until you can be positively identified.

  • Sick.

    Over reaching aggressive police. You don’t get the feeling that they are out to protect you, you get the feeling that they are out to harass CH residents.

  • Out of proportion2

    Hey Boston Legal:

    #1 This is not Boston, it is CH, a predominantly Jewish and Black community that has a history of police negligence and abuse. Add to that, the police dept’s knee-jerk reaction to racially-profile Chassidim and ticket them at every opportunity, whether warranted or not.

    Everyone here knows what he should have done – shut up and just take the ticket, right or wrong.

    But not everyone has a clear head when confronted by a police officer. Also not everyone can cough up a hundred dollars for some ticket, or take time off from work to fight a ticket when we all know, the ticket may be bogus, and the deck is stacked in favor of the cop.

    The issue is precisely what you emphasized: how the police ENFORCE the law. You assume every cop is a paragon of virtue. But a lot of the members of this community have witnessed first-hand, abuse whether verbal, physical or monetary.

    I’m sorry, you may be an “officer of the court”, but we here are “officers of Am Yisroel”. Our duty is to ENFORCE Ahavas Yisroel and to be melamed zechus on fellow Jews, not apologize for the police!

  • shnook

    the idiot should have just showed his license…seriously did he REALLY think he could just walk away from a police officer and NOTHING would happen? what an idiot

  • Angry Parent

    Let’s for a moment assume he took that illegal turn. He thinks he can just walk away? Every morning I’m a witness to this. I’m ashamed at CH parents for taking those turns and putting our kids in harms way. Also blocking off cross walk so they can pick and drop off their girls putting rest of kids in danger because they have to go around. What kind of horrible accident does it take for people to understand.

  • Dallas

    Let’s be honest here, the cop wanted his donuts….police have earned their treif nickname

  • maroon Sprinter

    Is this guy that loser with the maroon Sprinter who blows red lights on his way to drop off his daughter at BR???

  • Not right

    What the guy did was wrong . 1)don’t spray mace were kids are walking by.2)the way the police pushed him in the car was horrifying.3)lots of girls and even teachers were crying !!!!!!!
    SOMETHING SHOULD BE DONE !!!!!

  • Otd

    Lets back up. We petitioned to have no right turns there for the safety of our Children. I live on the next block and can see the racial mix of who gets pulled over and I promise there are more nishtveisseh than anyone else being pulled over. Anyone who runs and resists arrest is clearly hiding something. In this case that was more than clear. Lets save the anti Semitic wailing for something more fitting.

    Wolf cried the boy

  • look people

    if this was an African American the police would never stop them!!!!! They are afraid to , but….. a jew .. no problem. the reason we don’t have guns! we are easy.

    • I think you are and idiot

      Race has nothing to do with this, Cops dont care about your lack of guns,they need to raise money for the new mayor who is scared that he is going to wake up one morning and the city is broke….
      So the cops are busy taxing us, while hiding behind a farce of some safety initiative. The man running in to school was wrong and stupid, the cops macing him, was a result of communities lack of backbone, there is only one way to manage this and its by launching as many law suits as possible against the city. The complaints will not do any good, the chief of police is a known practitioner of policing by force, only now he is turning this force on to the “elite” neighborhoods instead of just reserving it for the gheto, just look at the case of a chinese man beaten while crossing the street on 96th street and broadway. So brace your selves hevra and drive safely, mind your lights, but launch as many lawsuits as possible.

    • israel

      And if it was an African American who ran into the building, you would be applauding the cops for using mace

  • TACKLE? MACE?

    Aside from the fact that this is an unspeakable tragedy in the life of a good human being.. If there is any way to justify these actions from any part of the story and NOT implicate the police for a crime, then there’s something big here that I missed. My friends, this is just the beginning. And not even the beginning, we’ve already seen the signs haven’t we? This also turns out to be a publicity stunt as well, showing that the Crown Heights police ALSO don’t like the Jews. And just like Israel caving in to the demands of the enemies around her, we are way too timid for these times.

  • BW

    Is it taught in NY Police Academy that a police badge is a license for assault? Too often it seems that way.

  • cops were 100% wrong here

    they should pay for counseling for the kids
    my kids came home shocked & traumatized
    my daughter witnessed this
    unless there was extreme danger involved they had no business doing this in a school
    i hope these cops get sent
    far
    far
    far
    away from our community

  • is he ok?

    the cops should be fired
    to do what they did in the first place, especially the way that they did it is horrific
    to do this in front of children and at a school is simply unacceptable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    there are cops who are guilty of brutal violence themselves
    there are times that the only difference between the cops and the real guilty & violent prisoners are the bars in-between them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • who are the cops???

    let’s see their faces
    they are brutal
    do they have any idea what they did to many children this morning?
    many children are traumatized

  • Bottpm line

    CH is the only Jewish community in NY that I’m aware of that recieves such tremendously low respect and grace from the cops.
    It is terrible to see how time and again- by and large the community is utterly disrespected and it’s peaceful law abiding citizens are completely abused.
    CH is also the only Jewish community in NY that I am aware of that has alternate side parking almost every single day of the week and the only purpose is kt generate ticket revenue.
    Go to BP, willy, five-towns etc they have parking restrictions ONCE a week.
    The reason for the above is only due to the extreme incompetence of the community council. A bunch of worthless nincompoops.
    This would not happen anywhere else. Neither would the other things we read about on this website.

  • search warrant

    Do the Police have the right to go into a building without permission or a search warrant?

    Shouldn’t he have sat next to the violator’s car for him to come out and then demand the info etc?

    Just asking

    • Milhouse

      It’s a public building; they have the same right to enter that the father had. if the administration asks them to leave then they must do so.

  • Idiot

    He made an illegal turn, he used his phone, he ran a red, he was missing a tail light – who cares? The police saw him do someting wrong and he has to respond appropriately. Instead, he ran into a school wirh a cop chasing after him!! Can you imagine the possibilities, some cops are hotheaded and immature. What if he had pulled his gun? Even without firing it it would have been chaos.

    This father is completely at fault. He put the lives of kids in danger, thise who saw were probably terrified, he upset his daughter and for what? His ego? A few donuts? Instead of bring a jerk why didnt he speak nicely and try to resolve the problem? Grabbing the stairails- how stupid and pathetic. Not to mention, provocative.

    • Milhouse

      Listen to yourself. He’s at fault because some cops are hotheaded and immature?! So whatever the cop did would be the father’s fault because he should be more mature and responsible than an armed cop?! “Oh, look what you made me do, it’s all your fault”; is that what you mean?

  • owning the road

    I’m not going to say the cop handled the situation perfectly. But frum people think they own the road. Illegal double parking and u-turns. Not using turn signals and pulling away from the curb without looking. If more people were ticketed maybe they would stop this bad behavior.

    • Milhouse

      You have no way of knowing whether this person did anything wrong. And cops think they own not only the roads but the whole city and everyone in it.

    • Larry

      And neither do you, Milhouse. So why blindly defend his actions? Are you just trying to push peoples’ buttons? Judging from the comments here, you seem pretty good at that.

    • Milhouse

      He is in a position to know whether he did anything or not. He says he didn’t do anything, so why should he submit to a false arrest?

      You, meanwhile, have no right to assert as fact that he did something wrong, when you have no way of knowing it to be true. Who are you to call him a liar? Why do you automatically believe a cop over one of our own?

  • Anonymous

    This “innocent” father came running into Bais Rivka, tried to hold the door closed so the cop chasing him could not get in, he almost knocked over a group of mothers with their small kids & babies. He then ran up the stairs by the davening room and towards the Early Headstart room when he was stopped by the cop.
    He had no care or thought in his mind other than to resist arrest. He didn’t care that small children were witnessing this frightening scene..
    No, the cop should not have maced him or kept spraying him with mace. (I was there and ran out as soon as the cop started spraying. I was standing a few feet away and my eyes were burning the entire day from the 2 second exposure of the mace in the air…)
    No one could get this guy to calm down. He kept fighting to get away from the cop…
    What did he think was going to happen? That the cop would just give up and leave him alone? ?

    The sign for no turning is hanging high up and is not blocked.. the cops do wait there and they stop anyone that makes that turn before 10am.
    The turn is illegal so our little maidelach crossing will be safe and not get hit by careless drivers rushing to turn before the light changes

  • 77AuxSgt

    If the motorist was only getting a parking ticket he isnt required to show any ID. If the Officer was trying to issue a moving violation, then an ID must be presented. Either way, a hugh lawsuit will be brought against the NYPD, and the city would be dumb not to settle. Just like the 84 year old Chinese guy who was jaywalking and got his beatdown.

  • Police rules

    He should have known better and just showed his license. We all know that if you do not comply with police ruled this can happen. As much as its unfair this is the way things work here. He first did not want to show his license then didn’t want to be handcuffed. Off course it does not make sense but any NYPD cop would do that since he is no complied with rules.They have regulations they must follow. If he would have been stopped while driving and left his car the same would have happened.

  • This father was wrong

    Sorry, dude, you needed to submit to the officer. You screwed up. If you were black you would have been beaten half to death.

    • Milhouse

      Submit. That’s the key word, right? Submit, submit, submit, like the groveling peasants and slaves that you are, right? Jawohl, mein Herr!.

      Americans do not submit.

  • Dear NYPD 71stPCT

    Thanks for handling it in the way you guys did.

    Unlike some of the stupid comments you guys went above and beyond what was called for.

    Obviously the ones having an issue probably have no life let alone a job to pen such dumb ranting’s.

    • Milhouse

      Really? What do you think was called for? Shooting?! Putting him in hospital or a grave, ch”v?! And maybe 5 or 10 bystanders, like they did with that shooter at the Empire State Bldg (he only shot his one target; all the other people were shot by the police)? Tell us, what was called for, that the police went beyond?

  • Chilul Hashem

    he went into a CHILDREN’S SCHOOL!!?? he is at fault! but not totally the officer has no right to do what he did in front of KIDS they probably still tromitized and having nightmares!

  • To Millhouse

    I’m so confused by your comments. You obviously didn’t read the article. The cop saw him commit a traffic violation. It doesn’t matter whether he is in the car anymore or not.

    Basically what your saying is that since he was no longer in the car he doesn’t have to show ID. So I’m going to go ahead and run every light in the city. I’m going to make sure many cops see me doing this. Park. Get out of my car….And when the cops ask me for my license I’m going to say Millhouse told me since I’m not in my car I don’t need to show you anything.

    • Milhouse

      No, the cop claimed to have seen him commit a violation. The man denied it. He knows whether he did it or not, and therefore whether the demand for ID is legitimate or not.

  • Question for Milhouse:

    Milhouse, the article states, “Thursday, at around 9:00am. According to witnesses, the man had parked his car and was heading toward the school’s main entrance, when a police officer accosted him and accused him of having committed a traffic violation.”

    He was driving a car. Why then shouldn’t he have to show his license??

    • Milhouse

      No, he was not driving a car. He had parked it and was walking to the school entrance. So why should he show ID?

  • a 8th grader

    i was in middle of davening in the music room and i heard shouting of dont arrest me i looked out the door window and saw a police then i beacme so scared it was a frighteing and sad scene

  • Anonymous

    My objective is not to bash either party, I see no benefits from such labor.

    The goal of an officer is to ensure the peace and safety of citizens. This is accomplished by enforcing the laws set up by the state legislature.
    The laws consist of major safety concerns, like getting murderers off the streets, and also minor safety issues such as, traffic violations. Indeed, such violations are annoying, and it may seem that there is no social benefit, but lets put things into perspective.
    There has been over 30,000 deaths in America because of vehicles! And traffic violations has been the lead contributor to vehicle accidents. (Second, driving while intoxicated.)
    The police officer was doing his job, and protecting all of us from this potentially dangerous driver by reprimanding him. Although he arrested the individual in a brutal manner, he did not want to arrest him in that way. What was his other sensible alternatives?
    If you conclude that the officer should not have pursued the guy, then you are setting up a really bad precedent. Any person that commits a crime will just run away. Traffic violations will then become “optional”, and the amount of vehicular homicides will certainly increase. Unfortunately it occurred in-front of children, but the officer had no other recourse. I am quite sure that the officer would never want to encounter this type of situation. It was put on him, and he did not incite it, so stop making him into the aggressor.

    • Milhouse

      The goal of most policemen is not “to ensure the peace and safety of citizens”, it’s to assert their authority and keep citizens in their place, while earning fat salaries and moaning about how dangerous their job is (there are many more dangerous jobs).

      What were his other sensible alternatives? He could have let it go. If he really did witness a traffic violation (which we have only his word for) then he could write a ticket and put it on the car. Or he could look up the car’s registration and contact the owner to find out who was driving it, and then send him a summons or go to his home. There are many things he could have done if he hadn’t been hell-bent on making this person submit to his authority.

  • Should never have gotten so far

    If a officer asks you for your lic and reg and you run away, you are asking for trouble. If you start resisting a officer, you are asking for trouble.

  • jewish dude

    Time for a complaint against the nypd. To much power and to much force, what about the children in this school? They could have been injured by the pepper spray/mace. Or traumatized by the scene maybe parents or the school teachers,administrators etc, should sue the nypd.

  • ch mom

    Wasn’t there, so can’t comment on the accuracy of the various descriptions of the entire occurrence. However, it seems to me that both the law officer and the parent involved have decidedly low E.Q.s (emotional quotient.) Both of them need help learning how to act/react to upsetting situations, regardless of whether or not they are justified in their anger. For the most part, this kind of behavior isn’t limited to one isolated incident…

    • awacs

      Except that the P.O. is trained to handle sitations like this. The father … less so. Whom do you therefore ascribe greater fault?