CROWN HEIGHTS, Brooklyn [CHI] — A slew of Moisdos, Businesses, and members of Anash in Crown Heights were the recipients of subpoenas ordering them to appear in State Supreme Court by the demand of the ‘new Vaad’.

Gmach, Local Business Owners Subpoenaed by ‘New Vaad’

CROWN HEIGHTS, Brooklyn [CHI] — A slew of Moisdos, Businesses, and members of Anash in Crown Heights were the recipients of subpoenas ordering them to appear in State Supreme Court by the demand of the ‘new Vaad’.

Keren Yisroel Aryeh Leib, House of Glatt, Crown Heights Shomrim, Nuchie Gross, Dr. Tzvi Lang, Aron Hershkop, Rabbi Moshe Bogomilsky are just a small handful of those that were recently subpoenaed and ordered to appear in court regarding matters relating to how the ‘old Vaad’ conducted its business under Moshe Rubashkin.

This renewed onslaught by the new Vaad members, Fishel Brownstein, Zev Cadaner, Chanina Sperlin, and Eli Poltorak, came as they attempted to serve these orders on the aforementioned in the past few weeks.

According to sources close to the case said that these actions came as retaliation from the ‘new Vaad’ against the ‘old Vaad’ for taking them court, disputing the validity and legality of elections they conducted. Sources close to the ‘old Vaad’ said that this is another attempt to intimidate them and scare them in to silence.

Calls and messages for official comments from both Vaad’s were not returned.

Attached are links to the documents:

Subpoena – Rabbi Bogomilsky, Keren Yisroel Aryeh Leib
Subpoena – Old Vaad – Shmuel Plotkin, Tzvi Lang, Yaakov Sufrin, Noochie Gross

Legal Action – Action against Rabbonim

113 Comments

  • NO WAY

    what does it mean that bogomilskys gmach gets sopinad
    what does he have to do with this and… we ALL know that they can not soina that gmach we will have a catastrofy.

  • Same tactic different day

    Spritzer tried (and succeeded) for a while with this same tactic to take control over Machne Menachem.
    This “new vaad” Spritzers friends are using the same trick.

    In Judge Glassers words (in his final verdict about the camp).

    …As has been discussed at some length above, each [Hershkop, Heber and Goldman] has denied that he resigned his office as a director and the plaintiffs [Spritzer] have utterly failed to establish clearly and convincingly that they surrendered their position in the Corporation either in writing, or in any other manner. See Matter of Abramson. et al. v. Studer, 11 N.Y. 2d 773, 774 (1962).

    The evidence established convincingly for this Court that what is alleged to be their abandonment was, instead, what I have analogized to be their constructive eviction by Spritzer.

    Read more at: http://machanemenachem.word

  • YL

    maybe just maybe they are trying to get to the bottom of everything that has been going on since “Rubashkins” Vaad took office. i.e. books, money, government grants.
    Why cant we ever give the benefit of the doubt.A subpoena can also be just to give over information, it is not necessarily a charge or involvement with any wrong-doing.
    Also please can you let us know who is this source close to the case that said it is retaliation? people should be held accountable for their comments. At least both Vaads didnt yet comment so obviously this person who did comment cannot be “that” close to the case

  • YES WAY!!!!

    There are some stupid people who are still trying to justify this. these not to bright people (they are a few but still it hurts) are saying things like…“they are only going after Rubashkin”, “They only want information on Rubashkin” etc…

    1. How does that justify this act of Mesira.

    2. once the books are open, they are open (for everything) etc…v’dal.

    STOP JUSTIFYING MESIRA!!!!

  • Solomon Dwek

    Bringing NJ to Crown Heights, have they no shame?

    What exactly is the agenda here, to close down every Jewish community, to close down every Yeshiva and Mosed?

  • In The Face Of Evil

    You shall not come in the way of the wicked, and do not walk in the way of the evil.
    Avoid it, do not pass through it; turn away from it and pass.
    For they will not sleep if they do not commit evil, and their sleep will be robbed away if they do not cause stumbling.
    For they eat the bread of wickedness, and they drink the wine of violence.
    But the way of the righteous is like the light of dawn; it shines ever brighter until the day is perfect.
    The way of the wicked is like pitch darkness; they do not know on what they stumble.
    (Mishlei Chapter 4 Verses 14-20)

  • Enough Already!

    In Deal this past week, a community instantly and completely excomunicated one of their members because he was Mosser on other yidden.
    In Crown Heights, a corrupt group of Mossrim are the ones occupying the positions of the so called ‘Vaad Hakohol’.
    Can we continue to scream ‘Kan Tzivah’ and completely ignore the fact that the Mossrim are supposed to be treated like the Mosser in Deal was? The Mossrim should not be allowed to join a minyan, morally or halachically.
    Will the people of Crown Heights join in referendum against the rogue bunch of criminals that call themselves ‘leaders’? or will everyone continue to ignore (or even Ch”v support) the problem until it hits them personally?
    People wake up before it turns into something worse.
    It is high time we start treating the MOSSRIM as they are supposed to be treated according to the Rambam, Etc…

  • old timeer of ch

    was this with the ok of rabbonim in CH?
    this can effect the entire lubavitch community worldwide
    this is worse than the riccho issue that threatened CH
    die lichkima b’rimiza
    did anyone also think how this will effect everyone even financially etc.

  • lost and confused

    Can u explain please. What do these people have anything todo with the vaad.

    Who are the vaad to be able to suphena anyone.

  • Adam Curry

    Are they crazy? How about arranging for real career counseling, financial aid, government assistance, and all the other things that Crown Heights is lacking, instead of this Shtus.

    I have never heard of anything so ridiculous in my entire life.
    We have to go to COJO of Flatbush for jobs, Williamsburg Community Council for Medicaid, Food Stamps and WIC, and the Jewish Federation for financial help.

    A disgrace is what the CHJCC is, an absolute disgrace.

  • oh yeh this will be fun

    One second. You mean the vaad that got less then 50 persent of ch in votes. The vaad that stood by a meeting facing ch and told us. That they have a grand plan. You mean the vaad that said they will make monthly meeting facing ch. Oh maybe it hasn’t been one month yet. I would imagin iof they were in office for longer they would have a accomplished somthing by now.

    One second. Hold on a second. Can we sophina this counsel. Like the sperlin family for all there buildings. Or how about mr accountent who assist many in cleaning up there books. How about poltrac the lawyer I hear he has hired help at home they he pays cash too. Or how about the poor moised or menachem who is under zev kadaner. There records ther are not gona look to hot either…

  • anon

    they are looking for all the money that disappeared (thats why the old vaads accounting firm quit) they are trying to figure out who he hid it by its not revenge

  • we should call

    All the successfull ppl are getting sophinad… And they all will hire accountents and lawyers. Yay. Meanwhile all the puapers the one who need the gmach will suffer.

    Hmm have u finnally purchased a home. Have u finally settled. Not for long. Just think about all that tax money. Medicade food stamps and section 8 fraughd charges. Oyoyoyoy. Hmmm. Yeh I’d be pretty pissed too. Anyone have the numbers of the vaad.

  • Bad climate

    Stop the lawsuit Now! Newsflash: Attn new vad: Your constituants do not care what the old vad did. We would rather keep our exposure to a minumum. Its not worth it. You don’t get it!

    Its like stabing yourself in the foot. We are all one body. Everyone must tell anyone involved. Stop this now.

  • We can indeed do something.

    We can indeed do something.

    We must hit the, where it hurt most, that is the pocket.

    Here is a list of the organizations that fund the fake JCC:
    We must contact them, write them, call them and e-mail them. Let them know where their money is being spent. You can even link them to the PDF of the lawsuit. Tell them of all the other Mesiras their money is being used for.
    Only if we hit them in their pockets will they stop spilling Jewish blood.

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  • rav pays taxes?

    Just look at the several mesiros in the first one #30 in footnote and in the second one #1-79-80-82-126-129-133-138 are listed criminal activities for which defendants go to jail. I wonder which Rav gave permission to enter such complaints to court?

    If a rav gave permission then good day all of you when I have a reason to hate someone I will also report to the court that he fixed his house without a permit.

    I actually noticed that r.s. is fixing his house now without a permit. May i rat on him? I also wonder if that rav gets paid for siddur kidushin does he report it when he files his taxes? Does he pay taxes on all that money? This amounts to at least $1000 a week!

  • we were warned about this!!!

    Justify this (Mesira) how you want, this is going to effect everybody in the community. some of you know that already and some of you will find out sooner then later.
    Like another web site warned us not so long ago…

    “You know, there’s gonna come a day in our community not to distant, people are going to say, “Why didn’t somebody tell us? Why didn’t somebody warn us what was happening in our community?” Well, I’m the guy telling you. You have been warned. You are being told. You know of all the other times in history where people said, “Gee, they took this away and I didn’t say anything, took that away and didn’t say anything. Finally came for me and there was nobody left to defend me.” I (and some others) have been letting you all know exactly what’s happening in this community and will happen. There will not be an excuse down the road for somebody to say, “Nobody told me. Why didn’t somebody tell us this? I just didn’t know,” because you are being told, I’m the guy telling you!. You have been warned!”

    Well here it is.

  • Furious Resident

    Did Eli Poltrak need buisness so badly, that he became a Vaad Memeber so he can now sue ppl and give his company the extra profits?

    New Vaad: you should be ashamed of yourselves. Step down or do something positive

  • illegal election

    This is a Back mail tactic to avoid trail.

    1. they ran a illegal election (against the by-laws).

    2. They faked votes (they will have to show all this in court).

    3. They forced themselves (braking and entering) into the Community counsel.

    They stole all the books and records.
    etc… etc…

    this is intimidation and harassment.
    they will destroy this community and leave nothing!

    they are sick, hateful and jealous people.
    This is the only thing they know!

  • concerned resident

    I dont care about this Vaad or the old vaad, I was never concerned about this politics.

    But this is way beyond “politics”, this is a viscous and reckless mesira, many if not must of the community and even may carry on to other community’s will suffer.

    This is not right and must be stopped.

  • YAY GAGAGOOGOO

    Ok lets say that they are trying to clear the books, see what came what went in the rubashkin vaad… then what.

    ok so they will find out that old man money was used for single moms, or that school money went to heating a home, or some job finding money went to some one to help him stay away from loosing his home….

    then what, we take a poor guy who is sitting for the 2nd time and put him into jail for a 3rd time… for what giving out the money to help some one else.

    accomplished what? an some of the names that are listed are more big mouths then anything, they have no involvement with the past vaad they didnt even like the past vaad.

    so what they will try and get them to shut up?

    can anyone tell me if threats to the above mentioned people will get them to shut up?

  • Jack

    Why can’t anyone here spell the word SUBPOENAED correctly? For heaven’s sake, it is the title of this post!

  • love this site

    Webby… for legal prepossess please do not allow all messages to be posted…
    example: “catastrophe worse then of DWEK”.

    you never know who reads these comments…

  • Names of those behind this

    Bs”d
    Please print the names and addresses of those behind this so people can give them a piece of their mind!!!!!!!!!

  • Crazy

    some of these mosdos can get into big Tzoros if they go to court.
    even if the vaad has valid reasons, there are seperate Tzoros and Chilul Hashem that may come.

  • bad news

    Now I see why all these mosdos began latley strictly acting Al Pee Chok Hamedina.

  • no new vaad

    if I was a PR firm i wold get rid of “the new vadd” it validates them being the vadd and we all know thats not the case.

    In fact they are trying to ovoid an honest trail on that very issue.

    People we have to stop calling them the vaad!

  • head in sand????

    Shliach wrote:

    Why are we looking at such things right before Tisha B’Av?
    Because its things like this that got the Bais Hamektosh destroyed.

    People will suffer way past the nine days and three weeks because of this mesira!

    When I think of what happened on Tisha B’Av, 2000 years ago, I will also cry about this. That was destruction and so is this. All because a Jew did Mesira no another.

  • MADD IN BKLYN

    A man in crown heights bought another mans business. Crown heights people are in a rage. They’re threatening to do their shopping out of crown heights. Some are even moving out of crown heights. No way someone else is gonna make it on their dollar.
    These “new vaad” mossrim. Where’s all the rage? Why is messira so accepted in this community? Why is nobody organizing protests in front of the chjcc-m on sunday afternoon? where’s the berel sugars on loudspeakers urging action againts the mossrim who are tearing crown heights to shreds? STAND UP NOW OR FOREVER BE FORCED TO HOLD YOUR PEACE
    DON’T WAIT UNTILL IT’S TOO LATE.

  • madd in bklyn

    TO Shliach wrote:
    Why are we looking at such things right before Tisha B’Av?

    It’s for the people who don’t keep their heads buried in the sand.

  • meir

    BUT IT

    what will become of crown heights now that you’re under the control of this lawyer madman?you know the riddle; what’s black and brown and looks good on a lawyer? a doberman pincer.

    ,

  • Another day in beautiful CH...

    The question is not why we are looking at such things before Tisha B’Av, rather why this is TAKING PLACE right before Tisha B’Av. Had the Jews been notified of the Kamtza episode before he went to the “legal authorities” they may have been able to avert the destruction. As a community we MUST stop this before it gets out of hand. The new Vaad is not impressing anyone. They would have done well to start with helping people and try and pull this several months down the line. But… They are showing their true colors. THE NEW VAAD HAS FORGOTTEN THAT THE FUNCTION OF A JEWISH COMMUNITY COUNCIL IS TO HELP JEWS – NOT HURT THEM. There is one answer to this madness – disband the new Vaad. It CAN be done! If enough people signed a petition for new elections and actually voted this time around this “new Vaad” would be kicked out. I just don’t know that there are any competent people out there to take their place. If you know of anyone that EVERYONE gets along with, and has no affiliation with either side of the Rabbonim, PLEASE list them here.

  • Do you take cash and I won-t pay TAX?

    OK, now another community is open for the FBI and IRS to look into.

    Good luck to all the businesses on Kingston that take sales tax and don’t pay the state!

    Good luck to all the businesses that hire illegals!

    Good luck to everyone in this neighborhood writing off every personal expense as a “Business” expense.

    Good luck to everyone paying they mortgages and rent a s a business expense.

    My list can go on and on…

    Clean up your act Crown Heights and you won’t need to be paranoid when the IRS/FBI come knocking!

  • do good stop mesira

    We don’t need any VAAD here in Crown Heights, all those that want to do good can do good.

    there is no limit to Chesed.

    MESIRA must stop!

  • antimesira

    Call me crazy but isn’t this the same tactic they used against the Herskops in the Machane Menachem RICO case calling the Herskop family names as “Hershkop Mafia” a lawless “clan” and “Cosa Nostra” all in a failed attempt to intimidate them into leaving what they rightfully own.

    Fast Forward 10+ years you have the same group (different people on paper but the same “clan”) taking the Rabbonim they once promoted to court and members of Crown Heights community who stand in their way to getting what they want and putting them in the category of “gang of criminals” “Chicago circa 1920” “Rubashkin Faction” and this all in attempt to intimidate them into giving them what they want

    People of Crown Heights why are you letting this group of individuals, who have been destroying our community for the past 20 years do this.
    Where are all the “Ahavas Yisroel”? Where are the “9 Days people”? Were is that guy who wrote the Op-Ed the other day. GET OUT OF YOU COMFORT ZONE AND DO SOMETHING BEFORE ITS TO LATE

  • chaim

    i think over there is very little rebbe chassidus left in crown heights. night before tisha bav, all this seems like goyim narishkeit. this is not the product of lubavitchers. the rebbe these are not his people anymore. they are like secular fools. all of them over there

  • BROOKLYNDUDE613

    I MOVED FROM CH 3 YRS AGO. I VISIT. I FIND THIS WHOLE SCENERIO INTERESTING. EVERYONE- YES EVERYONE IN CH NEEDS TO LEARN TO GET ALONG. LOOK ANOTHER IN THE FACE AND SMILE. . ONE MORE THING…. STOP PUSHING YOUR CHILD IN THE STROLLER OR CARRIAGE FROM BETWEEN PARKED CARS IN FRONT OF TRAFFIC.

  • don-t get it

    i don’t get it they all ready got what they want there in charge of the whole vaad what do they want now

  • OY MY SON CHANINA THE MOISER

    oy my son chanina
    Your father is so proud of your mesira.
    i bet you guys anything you want that this new group of criminals name vaad hakohol will not do anything constructive for the community . history repeat itself.
    same COP LIKE 1987 same machloikes like 1987 just different NIRDOFIM than it was FISHER and now ITS RUBASHKIN.
    Yes rubashkin is a real schmuck because in history all politicians are ganovim but when time is up and you lost the vote go home and shut your mouth.
    rubashkin did not go so it going to court even though all the vaads before did were the same ganovim but when time was up thy let the new ganovim take part.
    Now it is the fight of the ganovim what do we have in that ?

    Normal people in ch never got any favor from the vaad and all the stories of rubashkin taking from the rich and supporting the poor is just a story for the books.

  • ch resident

    i think when this can of worms was opened, it is too late to close it.
    every mosod, every family will be involved.
    How can the rav and these people sleep at night?

  • anon

    for all you dummies out there looking to shout and scream and get excited with your biased views, a subpoena on financial dealings with certain people is not mesirah and it does not mean that that books are open for any govt agency that wants to look. Its a simple way to find out where all the missing money from the last vaad (who did a lot of good but mismanaged the money)disappeared to.

    For all those who don’t like the new vaad because… just say so. Stop looking for ways to vilify people just to further your own viewpoint.

    If someone owed you money and you new he hid it by a gemach I don’t think you would consider it mesirah to get a subpoena to find it.

    If people would spend more time worrying about their own problems instead of spending their time putting down others we would all be better off.

  • MAD ABOUT THE MONEY

    I want to know who is funding poltracs company to make these SUBPOENAS, and in general were is the money coming from to pay for all these lawyer fees.

    i think its a conflict of interest having his firm taking them to court. and i think money that is in the counsel should not be used for this, and if its private money being used i want to know whos and why it is that they are giving it.

  • use your kup a little before writing!

    Where is the achriyus for posting such comments!!! a little saichel yidden!

  • me myself and i

    “Monsey couple with millions in mortgages charged with welfare fraud”

    link http://www.lohud.com/articl

    A Monsey couple who hold mortgages on several million dollars in property was arrested today on charges of stealing $75,000 from federal rent, Medicaid and food stamp programs, Rockland authorities said.

    The charges carry sentences of 4 2/3 to 14 years in state prison. The couple also could face federal charges.

    …Does it sound familiar???
    like the cost of parking on union schty to utica costs more then triple the price of the apt on that block, the cars being very nice ones leased…

    or how about the new houses being built by the families who are still living on montgomery and kingston… and more…

    how many of them will get the same “sentences of 4 2/3 to 14 years” bc of the fact that the judge orders the counsel and the gmach to give EVERYTHING over…

    now im not saying that its good to do these kind of things, but what the vaad is doing is worse then this bad…
    AND WHY IS THIS BEING POSTED DURING 9 DAYS… BC ITS HAPPANING DURING THE 9 DAYS

    IF ITS NOT DONE IT DONT GET POSTED… DONT BLAME THE NEWS SITE FOR POST THIS SH_T BLAME THE D_MED VAAD FOR DOING IT.

  • Yakov

    Dear New Vaad, Many people, myself included voted for you guys to bring change to the Community, to bring things back the way they were many years ago when there was no ‘MACHLOIKAS’ no fights and no arguments etc. About 2 months has passed and all we hear are these court cases and subponeas etc. I think most people here in the community have had enough of this already to last multiple lifetimes. We know you’re saying it’s not us it’s the old vaad. We’ve heard it all, enough already. Please go back from wherever you all came from. We don’t want any part of this anymore. Get out and go home.

  • so i hear...

    that ch.info doesnt make you aware of the news, he makes up the news… this is what one of the VAAD just told me.

    he said it in a way that sounded… you see this story was not really taking place until it was posted.

    WELCOME TO 2009, and WELCOME TO THE TOWN WERE PEOPLE ARE SICK AND TIRED OF THIS TRASH. and wont hide whats going on. if you dont want to be heald accountable for somthing… THEN DONT DO IT.

  • Sickened by Eli Poltorack

    Mr. Poltorack,

    As the wheel of life keeps on turning hold on tight. You will find yourself on the bottom quickly. It is obvious you will find no sympathy there. As an attorney you understand the importance of “intent”. Your intentions here are despicable and are further evidence of what kind of pathetic human you truly are.

  • ARE YOU SQUEAKY CLEAN?

    It would be adviseable for Motel Chein (Empire Press), the Sperlin family (Real Estate), Zev Caddoner(The Print House)and Co. have Fishel Brownstein review YOUR BOOKS. You never know who will come to examine YOUR finances.

  • a victim of the old vaad

    i recently had a din torah here in crown heights
    some girls rented an apartment from me
    ramsacked it befor e they left
    stole furniture and didnt pay the last few months rent

    what i had to go thru to even get an entitlement for a din torah by rabbi segal
    it took two and a half years
    then he said he lost the papers

    suddenly he found them and and then twisted the whole story

    i believe firmly the rabbanim were bought off

    there is sick corruption in our beis din
    and i am happy ppl are investighating

    why is it right for them to rob innocent ppl of their money
    their behavior is embarresing

    go new vaad

  • ChaimH

    One minute…
    If everything was “Kosher” and upand up, why the fear?
    I would gladly show anyone that asked my books if I was running a moissad. Go to Charity Navigator and lookup any respectable org.

  • What comes around goes around...

    There is no justification for massering. I hope Mr. Poltarak wakes up and smells the coffee before he’s 6 feet under wrapped in pink tachrichim.

  • Inda Know

    Let’s not forget who started this, and who can stop this by withdrawing their case, “PLAINTIFFS SHMUEL PLOTKIN AND YAAKOV H. SUFRIN” acting on behalf of ???.

    Now, with the political spin of themselves and their fraudulent supporters, they are attempting to recharacterize the legitimate defense of their intended victims as mesira.

    Don’t get sucked into becoming a vehicle for their “suffering plots”. The initiators and perpetuators of the Court actions are Plotkin, Sufrin, and whoever is behind them. No one else. Don’t help support their false charges of mesira against the defendants, which are intended by them only as a weapon to weaken the ability of the defendants to defend themselves against the true mesira of the original plaintiffs.

  • Impeachment?

    I really do not want to write about this bitter topic. These people always called for democracy. Is there anyway to impeach these lunatics. I am sorry, but ‘he’ is hurting the entire community, and I wont say more.

  • chaim

    I hope SB Drizin will be remembered for supporting putting anash in jail than all of his other good deeds he does

  • Shocked Resident

    It is obvious which “Rav” gave reshus to Moser.

    But Webby…even though the community should know about this, I wonder WHY you chose to publish it erev Tisha B’Av.

    My opinion: all those who signed the subpoena (please note the correct spelling is on the article for you to copy!) should be in Cherem immediately. What they have done is as bad as Dwek did in Deal. They have deliberately gone to authorities to cause trouble.

    So what will be the result? Many of these mosdos will just close down, rather than risk even unknowingly doing something illegal. So what will happen to the poor & desperate then? Brownstein, Poltorak etc will support them? These people need to be shunned by all of us, but unfortunately, they have 1 “Rav” in their back pocket & HE has his “Talmidim”. At least in Deal there is Achdus between the community & everyone is agreed. In Crown Heights we can’t agree if it’s raining outside.

    I find it hard to believe that the people who mosered can go into Tisha B’Av believing they did the right thing. This is pure evil. They must know it. I expected more from Brownstein. I always respected him, I know him & his family, & he always seemed to be a sincere Yiras Shamayim. I think I was wrong.

  • a former crown heightser

    This is pathetic may the plaintiffs relize that their action is the same as what we mourn for during the nine days – the same that caused the destruction of the beis hamikdash. They are obviously including their rabonim people who are r’shoim. Move on no matter what the past is. The subpeonas are just to Scare people, however they are trying to drag good people thru the mud for no reason. Rabbi Bogomilsky is a Tzaddik. Halevai there should be a handfull like him. I only knew of one other and that was shimshon Stock. These people dont believe in anything good and what they are doing is burning the town. Forget the Rabbe or Kan Tzivva etc. They dontbelieve in that, to them its just slogans. People have to learn to fight and stand up to what is wrong and face it without being affraid. Publicly they have to excomunicate these people. Then these type of things wont happen, simply because now there is no retribution so they can just simply get away with it.

    Havent we seen enough lately! This is the problem with crown heights and the Vaad Haklala. Its time to ask the state to literaly dismantle this institution. First it was fight fisher and take a building and fill it with goyim. then they lost most of the section 8 apartments. what good has come from this organization. I see more machloikes then good. They are angry at moshe Rubashkin, Well He may have done some wrong things but he did plenty of good to. Like the night programs in his house, etc. at least he tried to do good. Prior to him it was just wasted money in the courts.

    Reality is its time to leave these loosers and start a new community somewhere (thats if you refuse to stand up to them). or throw them out once and for all. they have made a mokery out of the Rebbe and out of lubavitch and the crown heights community.

  • din

    The truth is that if the Rabbanim who were elected by the community, such as Rav Osdoba and Rav Shwei, were not at odds then this probably could have been brought to a bais din. The community has been at odds since before the election of new rabbanim. It seems as if some groups of people control one rav and some groups control another rav. Payment of the rabbanim should not be from the community council or vaad. The head affects the body-the rabbanim need to make peace with each other and this needs to be brought to bais din not secular court.

  • oy vey

    I am embarrassed that i voted in this Vaad. Spending all thee time looking back… its time to look at the future.

  • green

    This is very different then Dwek’s moisering.
    Not sure abt all the details – but bottom line is if u want something done U NEED to go to the secular courts – its not like we have a united and competent bais din…….so if u say no secular courts u just let ppl get away with things they should not be getting away with. If u need to get things done – I see no other option.

  • were is that young man

    who asked by “meet the candidates” if they are going to hold monthly meetings open to the entire community.

    maybe you should call the vaad and ask them to keep to there word and make a meeting. it has been a few months since.

  • blablabla

    stop blabbing start doing call the new vaad… any one can list there numbers…

  • Dave

    Very good! Everyone complaining about this should realize that the Vaad is trying to recover the community’s fundsd in order to help fund all of the positive programs you are all asking for!

  • Please call and question them

    and have the following in mind.
    1. there is no justifying and Mesira.
    2. once the court sees any part of any books they have a full right to ask for more.

    things to ask.
    1. why?
    2. why each person listed is getting involved?
    3. which rov was consulted?
    4. who is paying for all of this?
    5. who is taking resposibility of all the ripple effects this may cause?
    6. why cant they settle this out of court?
    7. what has been accomplished since they have been voted in?
    8. what do they plan to achieve in the remainder of there term?
    9. do they feel that they have community backing?
    10. on what bases do they feel that?

    Fishel (philip) Brownstein CPA
    H:718 773 5574 1362 Carroll St
    W:718 756 9720 627 E New York
    C:working on getting it anyone know it?

    Zev Cadaner – Print house
    H:718 953 7688 324a New York Ave
    W:718 628 6700 538 johnson ave.
    C:347 513 1183 busy running around

    Chanina Sperlin
    H:718 953 3030 1427 President St
    W: None OY! (part of the problem)
    C:917 592 6600 in the 71st making new mesira

    Eli Polterac
    H:718 953 3121 668 Crown St.
    W:718 943 8815 1650 Eastern Parkway
    C:347 556 6196 in his light tan pants

  • wake up

    it will take 30 seconds just have the old Vaad take it out of curt and done and its quit

  • mendel fox

    I don’t under stand it says that they are only asking for information on the cousel… Rubashkin information. How is it that everyone tied with the gmach gets involved.

    Why is it that when a new vaad comes around and finally demands some accountability that everyone is up in arms.

  • Zalmen Moshe

    Maybe Chanina the Moser should be looked into and his brother Dovi and Ari who made alot of money on a penny stock to see if he declared it for taxes and also where did his brother in law Berel Y get 2 million to buy 2 homes and gut them and rebuild them?? I wonder hom much they declare….

    I will send an email today to the Dept of Tax and finance of NYS to look into it.

  • idiots

    To all you loosers who voted for these morons: Aren’t you proud of yourselves now!

  • very upset

    To Mendel Fox:

    Maybe because any mosad that ever received any $$ to help people from the old Vaad (whom I couldn’t stand either!!) received a subpoena.

    So we can assume Devorah Benjamin’s organization got one too. Hatzalah. Spielman’s food bank. Devorah Scheiner’s food bank. Machon Chana. Aliyah. YAM. Does anyone believe these & others deserve to be dragged through the mud? Look at all the good they have done & the people they have helped. Now they have to find $$ to get lawyers to protect them so THEY shouldn’t accidentally moser against people in the community.

    That means they can’t help as many people because THEIR resources are going to lawyers. And for what??? They didn’t do anything (and please don’t start attacking individual mosdos you don’t like for whatever reason, this partial list is just to show the stupidity & insanity of what’s going on, not an endorsement of any organization.)

    THAT is why some of us “nobodies” are so upset.

  • Mendle fox

    so you mean to tell me that when they see the old vaad gave money to say YAM… now YAM gets its books subpoenaed too?

    and what does YAM have to show everything or just what it spent it money on.

    also can some one please explain why SHOMRIM, Hershkop, Tzivin, and some others are involved, have they gotten any moeny form the OLD Vaad.

  • machne menachem

    when they ask for accounting of money given to machne menachem, do they mean the money chanina sperlin gave to spritzer to fight hershkop, heber and goldman?

  • glass houses

    was not Chanina the chairman of the vaad for many years, lets see all the books from those years. I also want to see the books from the days Spritzer was in the vaad.
    I want to see how much money was given to Spritzer when he stole Machne Menachem.

    If you live in glass houses don’t throw stones!

  • very upset

    Yes, that’s exactly what will happen. It’s like a snowball that gathers up so much snow it becomes an avalanche, which destroys everything in its path.

  • Toishav Hashcunah

    Open Letter To All Crown Heights Residents:

    TO THOSE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THE TRUE FACTS, LET ME SHARE WITH YOU WHAT IS THE ACTUAL SITUATION.

    sEVERAL MONTHS AGO WE HAD AN ELECTION FOR DIRECTORS OF THE CHJCC AND VAAD HAKOHOL. DESPITE THE WARNINGS AND VEILED THREATS NOT TO VOTE, ALMOST 1000 PEOPLE CAME OUT TO VOTE. THE OLD VAAD,NOT WISHING TO RELINQUISH POWER, WENT TO COURT AND BEGAN AN ACTION TO STOP THE ELECTION. THEY LOST, PERIOD!!! THEY BEGAN ANOTHER ACTION, AND LOST. THEY STARTED ANOTHER ACTION TO DISQUALIFY THE ELECTION CLAIMING FRAUD (MESIRAH??)AND LOST AGAIN. SEEMS LIKE CASE CLOSED, NO? THE OLD VAAD STARTED A NEW LAWSUIT ACCUSING THE NEW VAAD OF ELECTION IRREGULARITIES, FRAUDULENT PRACTICES AND ILLEGITAMATE TAKING OF POWER AND OTHER CHARGES. TEH NEW VAAD, HAVING NO CHOICE BUT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES AGAINST THESE ALLEGATIONS COUNTERSUED THE OLD VAAD CLAIMING THAT THEY WERE THE ONES THAT COMMITTED FRAUDULENT PRACTICES. I DON’T WANT TO ELABORATE FURTHER BUT THE SUBPEONAS WERE A SIMPLE REQUEST TO ASCERTAIN WHY THEY HAD TIES TO THE CHJCC AND WHY THERE WAS FINANCIAL INTERACTION BETWEEN THEM.

    LETS GET DOWN TO THE MEAT AND BONES AND TO THE GIST OF IT: ALL THE OLD VAAD HAS TO DO IS DISCONTINUE THEIR LAWSUIT AND ACTIONS IN COURT AND ALL OTHER RESIDUAL ACTIONS WILL DISAPPEAR AUTOMATICALLY. THE NEW VAAD’S COUNTERSUIT IS IN ANSWER TO THE OLD VAAD’S LAWSUIT AND CHARGES. IF THE OLD VAAD TAKES THEIR LAWSUIT OUT OF COURT THE NEW VAADS ANSWER FALLS BY THE WAYSIDE. EASY AS 1 2 3. IF YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY ASK THE PLAINTIFF (THE OLD VAAD) TO DROP THEIR CHARGES AND THE THE DEFEDANT (THE NEW VAAD) WILL HEAD FOR THE HILLS. LET’S GET IT DONE BEFORE TISHA B’AV.

    I WISH MY FELLOW CROWN HEIGHRS RESIDENTS A GRINGEN TAANIS B’SOCH ACHEINU KOL BAIS YISROEL, V’YEHAFCHU YAMIM EILU L’SASSON U’LESIMCHA!!!!!!!!

  • Michel

    “Zalmen Moshe wrote:
    Maybe Chanina the Moser should be looked into and his brother Dovi and Ari who made alot of money on a penny stock to see if he declared it for taxes and also where did his brother in law Berel Y get 2 million to buy 2 homes and gut them and rebuild them??”

    Iwould like to add: what about his brother-in-law Zush W. he Attached 2 houses and put in 1.5 million. He Sells real estate when he should be busy in mesivta!

  • to toshav hashchona

    Lets say all u write is true, then why does the new vaad have to drag Rabbi bogomilsky into this, why do they have to drag House of Glatt into this,and why drag shomrim into this with a slew of a couple more people in CH? if they wanna fight the old vaad let them fight the old vaad in court 1 gainst 1, why they draggin people and a couple of moisdos into court? If u wanna say the new vaad is defending itself then fine, defend against who you claim is attacking u, but why they draggin everyone into their mess?

  • to toshav

    Then maybe we should open up the books for the last 10 years, where chanina was in the council all those years and lets see the books and where money went! Shomrim is self funded they dont get from the community council, so why they draggin shomrim into this? is it because these council members are in bed with shmira and cant fathom that shomrim is successful and growing? is it because they dream of shomrims demise? is this the reason that besides for going after shomrim, they are going after shomrims co-ordinator Mr. Aron Hershkop because they think that he sponsors his own organization, and by shutting down hershkop they in effect might shut down shomrim? answer all the above please, and without any liberal cop-out answers like “ im telling u” or so i heared“ or chanina told me” answer the questions by addressing it in detail!

  • to toshav

    btw, once you bring in the mosdos , there is no guarantee how far this can go, and u could be getting lots of good people in trouble! once this is in court the goverment or court can dig as far as it wants , so there is a broader issue than just a community council dispute! and what if some of the moisdos get in trouble is the new vaad going to back them up? are they gonna take the heat for the possible disaster they might bring upon crownheights? is all this worth it for a bunch good for nothings who dont help the community anyways? like the vice chairman of the new vaad who can be seen every day at 12 oclock davening shachris? or another member of the new vaad that makes a minyan for shachris every day at 2 pm? and once we get on the books , i wanna see how chanina spent the community money for close to a decade? who did he give it 2? for what did he give it? and where did the money go? plus how did his family get all those buildings? etc etc

  • moshe shmuel

    if you read what toshav hashechunah wrote your questions would be answered, the reason they were subpeonad is because there was a substantial amount of chjcc funds written to these entities, the vaad has the responsibility to make a full acoounting of exactly how the funds were disbursed. Again, all of the above are distractios and diversions to the main issue!!!! take it out of court and it’s over. demand that lang plotkin sufrin remove thei lawsuit from court and it will all go away. You can’t go and sue somebody and accuse them of fraudulent practices and expect them not to defend themselves. you would do the same. if you would be wrongly accused of a crime you would kick and scratch and use everything at your disposal to prove your innocense. there is no mesirah here and if there was it’s the first party that went to court.like murdering someones parents and asking the court for leniency because he’s an orphan, or in the chassidesher loshoin kozak hanigzal

  • THE MEAT AND BONES AND TO THE GIST OF IT

    THE MEAT AND BONES AND TO THE GIST OF IT:

    THE OLD VAAD ARE NOT “PLAINTIFFS” ANYWHERE.

    DID YOU READ THE COMPLAINT?

    WHERE IS THE WORD “PLAINTIFF” MENTIONED?

    THEY ARE “PETITIONERS” ONLY AGAINST A UNSUPERVISED AND UNCONTROLLED ELECTION. THERE ARE NO ILLEGALITIES OF ANY CONSEQUENCES OTHER THAN OVERTURNING THE ELECTION OR TO FORCE NEW ELECTIONS.

    IN THE SO CALLED COUNTERCLAIM THE NEW VAAD IS A “PLAINTIFF” AND THE ACCUSATIONS IF UPHELD IN COURT MAY SEND SOME PEOPLE TO JAIL.

    WORSE: BASED ON THE ALLEGATIONS THE JUDGE IS REQUIRED TO PASS ON THE ACCUSATIONS TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY.

    QUOTABLE QUOTS FROM THE NEW VAAD’S COMPLAINT:

    “$70,000 PER YEAR ”NO SHOW JOB“

    ”SUPPOSED TO BE PAID….. WORK IN THE WEATHERIZATION ASSISTANCE PROGRAM BUT IN FACT HAS SPENT …. HOURS IN THE ATTEMPT TO PREVENT … FAILED TO TURN IN TIME CARDS…“

    RABBIS SEGAL, RAITPORT & ZIRKIND ARE ACCUSED OF BEING ”A GANG OF CRIMINAL CONSPIRATORS … THE FACTS ALLEGED HEREIN ARE REMINISCENT OF CHICAGO 1920″ = MAFIA CRIMES THAT ARE TREATED UNDER THE RICCO STATUTE

    “…ILLEGALLY AND FRAUDULENTLY FORMED THE INCORPORATED BETH DIN…”

    “… ILLEGALLY OBTAINED CONTROL OF THE KASHRUS, SO TO DIVERT FUNDS FROM THE VAAD FOR HIS AND HIS FAMILIES BENEFIT”

    “ONE ORE MORE OF … SONS WERE FRAUDULENTLY PAID WITH FUNDS FROM GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS, ALLOTED TO SPECIFIC PURPOSES”

    “DEFENDANTS ……. EXPENDED PLAINTIFFS’ FUNDS FOR PERSONAL PURPOSES, UNRELATED TO PLAINTIFFS’ PURPOSES”

    “DEFENDANTS ……. FRAUDULENTLY DIVERTED MONEY FROM PLAINTIFFS”

    “CONDUCTING PLAINTIFFS’ BUSINESS FOR PERSONAL GAIN, RATHER THAN FOR THE CORPORATIONS’ PURPOSES”

    “DEFENDANTS SEGAL, ZIRKIND, AND RAITPORT AIDED AND ABETTED THE ….. BREACH OF FIDUCIARY DUTY”

    THE ABOVE PEARLS OF WISDOM IF TRIED IN COURT CARRY VERY STIFF PENALTIES AND JAIL TIME. PETITIONING TO STOP THE ELECTION DOES JUST THAT: STOP THE ELECTION.

    THE REASON THEY ARE RESORTING TO SUCH HARSH BLACKMAIL IS SIMPLE: THEY KNOW THAT IN COURT THEY WILL LOSE AND THEY ARE VERY WORRIED. SO THEY MUST FIGHT WITH THE HARDEST WEAPON THEY GOT: TRUE AND OUTRIGHT MESIRA.

    IF THIS IS NOT TRUE, THEN WHY CONDITION ONE CASE OVER THE OTHER? IF YOU ARE CORRECT IN PURSUING THE CASE AGAINST “THE RUBASHKIN GANG” THEN WHY DROP IT IF THE PETITION AGAINST THE ELECTION IS WITHDRAWN? YOU ARE FIGHTING A NOBLE CAUSE TO CLEAN THE COMMUNITY FROM CORRUPTION YOU MUST PURSUE IT TO THE BITTER END!

    BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT THEY KNOW THEY ARE WRONG BUT THEY HAVE NO CHOICE, SINCE THEY HAVE ONLY ONE WEAPON THAT MAY SAVE THEM FROM HAVING THE ELECTIONS OVERTURNED: MESIRA!

    IF THEY WEREN’T AFRAID OF THE POLICE, G-D HELP US WHAT THEY WOULD DO.

    CROWN HEIGHTS USE YOUR HEADS, THINK AND DRAW THE NECESSARY CONCLUSIONS AND ACT UPON THEM BEFORE ITS TOO LATE.

  • to meat and bones

    strange that you say that the new vaad will lose in court, they already won 3 or 4 times, i already lost count. the new lawsuit by the old vaad with affidavits by segal a letter from rabbi osdoba is plaintiff against defendant. this is not aboout a petition anymore this is a new action. In any event petitioner is no different than plaintiff and it is halicho l’;erko’ois no matter how you try to play on the words. mesirah was effected by going to court to stop thje election when zabla was the correct halachic and metchlicher route. Yes, when the bais din and one party are in cahoots that constitutes a gang of criminals, sorry but i’m using your words that you posted. At least toishav hashechunah had the decency to refrain from using such statements publicly, but you thre all caution to tjhe wind and let it all hang out. You don’t seem to understand, when you countersue the plaintiff becomes the defendant and the defendant becomes the plaintiff. Let the first party that went to erko’ois shel akum sheloi kedin and was meirim yadoi b’toiras moshe remove their actions and lawsuiots from court and everything will be al mkoimoi b’sholom.

  • NEWS WEBSITE = Report news

    Crown heights became a lawless land .
    corrupt rabbis = all rabbis are corrupt in ch.
    the new elected vaad is just a juck . chanina should be in
    bais hamshugoim he can ever read and write. and so on
    now this is a very strange parhseh.
    if rubashkin wanted to give help to people ho could very easy write checks to individuals and help them and this is ok.
    but to transfer large amount to gmach’s this dont smell good.
    this is not kosher it may be a Slaughter House.
    but not a kosher one .
    and yes thank you for reporting.
    you dont have to hold back news

  • Hershkop

    To: Toishav Hashcunah who wrote:

    “LETS GET DOWN TO THE MEAT AND BONES AND TO THE GIST OF IT: ALL THE OLD VAAD HAS TO DO IS DISCONTINUE THEIR LAWSUIT AND ACTIONS IN COURT AND ALL OTHER RESIDUAL ACTIONS WILL DISAPPEAR AUTOMATICALLY”

    Funny thing, Yankle Spritzer told the Hershkops the same thing when he did a Mesira on them. Just give me the camp and i’ll drop the case.

    http://machanemenachem.word

  • ALL WE WANT IS....

    “wake up wrote:

    it will take 30 seconds just have the old Vaad take it out of curt and done and its quit”

    All Fisher Had to do was give them everything!
    All Hershkop Had to do was give Spritzer the camp!
    All Krinsky Has to do was give over Lubavitch!
    All Shomrim Has to do is shut down!
    the list goes on and on…
    You see, who are you to tell others what to do?

    I WOULD RATHER DIE STANDING THEN LIVE ON MY KNEES!

  • another faction????

    “Osdaba Faction” ???!!!
    “Osdaba Faction” ???!!!

    Who would ever imagine that this day would come?

    I find it very odd that the people who have been using slogans like…
    Yechi
    Kan Tziva
    moshiach
    Vaad lman koved harabonim
    vaad lman hatzlas aham v’haretz
    etc…etc…
    Are the only ones who are constantly splitting the community piece by piece or better yet “Fraction by Fraction”.
    They gave us the Anti-Fisher and the Fisherist (”Faction”).
    Then we had the “Koved Harrabonim” “Faction” and the Anti-Rabbonim “Faction”.

    [By the way, it is they who decide whos who and whats what, you have no say, they decide if your pro or anti, they will decide which box/label you belong to etc…]

    Then they gave us the “Mishichistim” “Faction” and the “Antis” “Faction”.
    (The “true believers” and the “heretics”).

    Then they gave us “Shmira” “faction” and “Shomrim” faction”.
    Then they gave us the Hershkop “faction” and the “Krinsky” “faction”.

    [Again notice how every faction is always packed away nicely in a box with proper labels they forcefully put upon us].

    And now they give us the “Osdaba Faction” and “Schwei Factions”.
    Notice how some how it always ends up like this…
    Koved Harbonim- Anti-Fisher- Mishichistim- Mossrim- shmira – Tzvati – Spritzer etc… is always grouped together in one Faction (which they thought to be fit).
    and
    Krinsky- Anti – Fisherest – Hershkopest – Shomrim etc… is always the “other” faction.

    Basically, if you do as they say and want you are g-ds gift to man kind and can do what you want when you want (no right no wrong, no right no left, everything and anything goes).
    If you don’t obey to their will, you will be labeled the anti-crisp etc…

    The idea behind doing this (putting people in to groups and giving them labels), is part of their propaganda, this takes any human side away from those who are victim to their terror. The only ones who benefit from this tactic is the evil people. It’s called I believe ‘divide and conquer’.

    Lets not fall in to this trap of “new vaad” and “old vaad”, “It’s just a Shomrim shmira issue”
    “It’s just a ”mishichist“ and ”anti“ issue”.
    etc..etc…
    Its time to start looking at the PEOPLE involved,
    Its time to start looking at the FACTS,
    Its time to start judging in way of RIGHT and WRONG (and not along party lines, which the people causing the machlokes conveniently created).

    Funny, No?

  • fed up

    So this is the job of the new Vaad that was elected by the community. To make lots of Sinas Chinom and when? Now during the three weeks, nIne days and before Tisha B’Av. This is how they interpret the Rebee’s wishes to bring Moshiach. HAYOM YOM OF THE 8TH OF MENACHEM AV:
    “FROM MY GRANDFATHER’S APHORISMS: WHAT GOOD IS CHASSIDUS AND FEAR OF HASHEM IF THE MAIN THING IS LACKING – AHAVAS YISROEL, LOVE OF ANOTHER – EVEN TO THE EXTENT OF CAUSING
    (G-D FORBID) ANGUISH TO ANOTHER”! This new Vaad is playing with fire!

  • MESIRA MESIRA MESIRA

    The people who are for the “fake vaad” attempting yet again to label the situation.
    Must of us don’t care for the politics of the “vaad” before these fake elction, nore do we care now.
    What we care about is the Mesira, and Mesira is wrong period.

    Trying to make it (yet again) about two FRACTIONS fighting it out is the same old propaganda.

    LET’S DISCUS THE MESIRA AND NOT TURN THIS TO ANOTHER SO CALLED “POLITICAL FIGHT”.

    MESIRA IS WRONG AND THIS IS MESIRA

  • madd in bklyn

    Even before the books and accounting are forced to be given to the court the missira justifiers who have justified every messira up untill today have decided who were recepients of funds from the community council, apparantly they must be important enough to be allowed to scan through all the books and records of checks etc. coming out of the chjcc.
    they are justifiers and enablers and as such they will burn and burn long along with the mosssrem.

  • Yitzchok Schier

    BS”D

    This is very sad.

    While the real Chabad is busy getting into the headlines for helping to find a lost backpacker in India (on a hot, miserable 9 Av at that), our sadly misguided wannabe machers are busy dragging their fellow Chassidim into court.

    BH we escaped the chilul Hashem of the recent money laundering scandal. Do we have to make scandals of our own because our self appointed leaders need to stroke their egos?

    Meanwhile, the rest of us need to ignore this Vaad and try to put together a grass roots network of real chessed organizations, in the spirit of Reb Shimshon (and Mrs Martha) Stock AH (and of Mrs Devora Benjamin shetichye). It may be quietly happening, but it is the people behind these organizations and people with this type of selfless motivation who must become the visible leaders and must represent us to the various city, state and federal bodies from whom we need assistance and support.

    I have no idea who is who and what is what, but this Vaad structure just is not working and hasn’t worked for a while. It is too late to find out who is right and who is wrong because resorting to tactics like this means that they are all wrong.

    The people who really care need to take back the shechuna and take back gantz Chabad from the politicians, whose intentions may well be good but who are just running things into the ground as they let their yetzer run amok.

    (PS: Time permitting as a followup to my previous uforatzto op-ed about building new communities I hope to submit a second op-ed about rebuilding existing communities and especially kan tziva from the grass roots).

  • whoever

    just for thr record IKUL stoping an act and MOISER MOMOINOI SHEL CHAVEIROI etc. are two diffrent things

  • Bored

    This ‘Glass House throwing stones’ business was said by Oisoh Hoish!
    Are we so secularised that we cannot find something from Torah and noch to quote Oiso Ho’ish!
    oi me hoy’o lonu

  • abc

    “I voted for Moshe Rubashkin,” said Chanina Sperlin, a longtime committee member. “Moshe Rubashkin is a fine man. Moshe Rubashkin loves to help Jews, and more than a Jew, a Jew who needs help.”

    http://www.forward.com/arti

  • meshulem

    This not about an ikul this is about a new action a different lawsuit read thepapers before you comment

  • TOSHA HASHCHONA

    We have to go to the mekoros.
    The Gmoro seid that the Jews have 3 major signs: 1) Rachmonim 2) Baishonim 3) Gomlei chasodim.
    If you see some people are missing this simonim you have to check their roots.
    Did some body know who is this Poltrak who are his parents and grand parents’ we know that they are Russian, we also know that he wasn’t all the time Shomer tora umitzvos we don’t know more than that, his action with such aRetzicha made us thinking about on his roots.
    I will be more than happy if some body can give us more information, maybe we will find here the answer to his Goishe act.

  • TO were is that young man wrote

    YOU WROTE;

    who asked by “meet the candidates” if they are going to hold monthly meetings open to the entire community.

    maybe you should call the vaad and ask them to keep to there word and make a meeting. it has been a few months since.

    IF THEY DO NOT HOLD A MEETING, THEN YOU OR WHOEVER SHALL CALL A MEETING CONCERNING THE SITUATION IN THE COMMUNITY, SEND OUT FLIERS TO ALL HOMES, & THE VAAD HAS THE OPTION TO PARTICIPATE OR NOT….
    SOMEONE JUST HAS TO PICK UP THE BALL & ANSWER THE CALL,
    H E F K E R

  • hg

    The 9th of Av, Tisha b’Av, commemorates a list of catastrophes so severe it’s clearly a day specially cursed by G‑d.

    The fast begins tonight at 8:15pm, Metro NYC Time and 8:21pm, Sullivan County Area.

  • old vaad

    Rabbi Yitchok Zirkind was against the old vaad going to court and holds they should go out of court so who is holding them back?

  • VAAD HA MESIRA

    CONGRATULATIONS “VAAD HA MESIRA”.

    YOU HAVE SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED THE 1ST STEP TOWARDS MAKING CROWN HEIGHTS A “POLICE STATE”.

    COMMANDANT POLTERAK WE SALUTE YOU. WHO EVER POSES A THREAT TO YOUR CONTOL WILL RECEIVE A SUPOENA TO APPEAR IN COURT.

    SIGNED,

    ENEMIES OF CHABAD

  • SHVAY MUST GO!!!!

    To much mesira has been going on of late and it has not been taken seriously, the people of CH and all frum jews for that matter have to send a message to these mosrim i.e. new “VAAD” & others that it will not be tolerated from them. Halacha calls for cutting out their tongues on the first offense of mesira – i think we can start with something not as strong maybe like a cheyrim on these people who are doing the mesira.

  • To toishav hashechuna

    It is very obvious who you are by the verbage that you chose.

    The old va’ad did not start this, the new va’ad did. I am not talking about calling for new elections. I am talking about truly splitting our community. Even if the bylaws state that a rav has know say, common sense dictates that if you want to represent the shchuna listen to all the rabbonim of the shechuna.
    I know for a fact that there were many people around and threatening petty blackmail, if they did not vote.
    And even if they needed to run, and the other side forced them inappropriately in to court, this is truly dirty. You clearly state that the reason for the subpoena is to see why there were financial ties between the CHJCC and those summonsed be subpoena, and then you say that if they drop the case all residual actions will disappear immediately. That sounds like blackmail to me.
    It seems to me that your punchline is that either we have evereything or everyone has nothing ie either we have the community or there is no community.
    And you call yourself a chosid?

  • me myself and i

    The Problem of messira has started long ago in our community, its a shame everyone wakes up now. and in my opinion, it will only get worse if we all continue to talk and comment…. what happens when this article gets pushed down with a bunch of nice stories about camps and moisdos… and few days after gets pushed off the most commented section on the side. will we all go back to our own personal lives and for get about what has taken place.

    Remeber messira is like a cancer… its spreads fast and is deadly.

  • Present at hte creation

    The sad truth is that the precedent of the vaad hakohol going to court was establlished at the very beginning during the tenure of Paltiel and Spielman. Everything was put on the back burner to go after the money they thought Fisher stole. With that money they were going to do great things.
    It’s like the dysfunctional couple who keep telling each other that when this happens or that happens, then we’ll be happy and in that way pushing of the inevitable divorce.

  • THE EMPIRE

    Hey all you guys yelling about Messirah!
    If there are no valid Batei Din
    No Bais Din that Is not Corrupt and un-biased
    If you try and try to work things out and people act like street THUGS!

    Yes you go to court in this freindly country this is not the Messirah as stated in the Rambam unfortunatly today the only place a Jew can get a fair trial or Hearing is n a USA court

    PITY BUT THE TRUTH AND WE DID IT TO OURSELVES