As long as Lubavitchers worldwide continue supporting the Dormitory in Crown Heights … we have no one to blame then ourselves for such a chillul Lubavitch.
How dare Chassidishe ‘looking’ Bochrum roam in Manhatten .. and cause people to look down at Frum People. Why are they not at seder? Where are their letters from their Mashpiam giving them permission to take time off to go to Manhatten to this? (As was demanded by the Rebbe in the ’70s for Bochrim to have to go on Mitzvah tanks?!)
They have followed the footsteps of all the other cults that roam in Manhatten.
Shame on all of us for allowing this sickness and disease to fester in our own midst.
Esther
REPULSIVE!
G-d help them realize and see their foolishness, and embarrassment they’re causing to the Rebbe and the whole Lubavitch!
SM
Hey Uriel- Hows the chilul Hashem Going?????????
CHer
One word… Taliban!
All I can say
CHillul Hasem!!! Chillul Lubavitch!!!
upset
another embarrassment for Lubavitch….go back to whatever planet you came from….
Tears!
OH MY G——–DDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hate to say this about other Jews but I wanted to cry when watching such a blatant chilul Hashem Happening…
Woe unto us, a chabad community that has become so diverse, and so split, over someone so special as the Rebbe!
Pained
they have no objective… just to destroy every thing the rebbe worked for all his life..
To all their sympathisers, make sure to read this article and the comments at the bottom. http://www.haaretz.com/hase…
If you still sympathize with them, you’re a lost case
TERRIBLE. THEY ARE THE SPIRITUAL BIN LADEN
fed up
Please note the accent – send them back to where they came from !!!!! It’s enough already!!
ch resident
to ike
Number 1 – which rebbe said to keep seder? There rebbe told them that they should go.
Number 2 – Maspiam?????????? Don’t u know who there mashpiam are, they were most probably with them.
You are 100% right that it’s a disgrace. Let’s ship them back to where they came from and they can be chillul lubavitch as much as they want over there, coz they were most probably chucked out for that reason
true jew
Big deal. When I commented about yechi being said at my shul the rabbi had this to answer “this is a Christian shul if you don’t like it don’t come here,” and all this time I thought Christian go to church.why don’t they just move their shabbos to Sunday and leave us Jews alone.
shmarya
you should bury yourself from shame for publicizing this chillul hashem and b’zoin of the Rebbe zy’a’s name…
jihada
what chassidishe Bachurim……just like in the real army marching with pride…but I am not sure why but that clip from the JEM video comes to mind JIHADA JIHADA JIHADA….. Haifa.. Yaffo…..
There both middle Eastern…maybe these Bachurim really are descendants who knows?
havemeyer
webby, dont tarnish your great and informative site with this chillul hashem and chillul lubavitch. its a disgrace, how dare they take the holy name of the rebbe and the reputation of chabad and bring it into manhatten in such a prost and lhavdil goyishe way.
Just thinking aloud?
Chill people, ever heard of being mevarer netzuzos. Maybe you can’t and I can’t but who say’s this dose’nt need done? Weve tried pretty much everything else so maybe this is what’s meant to “shrien”. I wish I had all the answers, but something new’s got to be done. Everyone do what they feels right. Who said doing teffilin and neshek is normal, the rest of the world never did, heh? Ker a velt hint ain’t gonna happen only from a basement on Eastern Pkwy.
Meow Industries!
What Happend to their Turbans? Did
They leave them at 1414?
Dayenu
if only the posting of the clip would give someone that last push to shove them back to the city of the future Tzefat Dayenu!
Chona Nosson Gewirtz
Whether or not one agrees with what these bachurim are doing in the video, I don’t think verbally bashing them and slandering them is the answer.
Chaim
Can anyone send these Yogies back to where they came from?
Whoever was Mekarev them to us – kindly take responsobility!
Moshe
Such hatred for your BROTHERS – what a pity.
jihad
what is the big deal…worse then this happenes every motzei shabbos in times squre. with these guys…they have flags etc… you should check at there web sites… specficly on Kidush levanah. night. you wouldnt belive what goes on there..
Watch your comments
watch your comments or they’ll send Uncle Nassralla after you ( he has a nephew in that mob)
Itzhak Schier
Hmmm…is there a direct subway line from Times Square to either Creedmoor or Pilgrim State? Then again, the A from Times Square goes to the Train to the Plane which in turn goes to the airport, and then they can get a shuttle to Ariana Afghan Airlines terminal for a long trip home!
concerned chasid
To my fellow Chabad Chassidim:
I personally know one of the Shluchim in Manhattan. Every time these “people” orchestrate such events, the Shliach is the one who really suffers and he spends the next long while in damage control mode. Locals demand explanations, fundraising is affected, opponents take advantage and use this as a ploy to steal away members, etc. The actions of these “people” are not merely amusing or harmless. They injure the Shluchim in the area. There behavior has gone too far and needs to be stopped already.
Steps to be taken include:
1) The entire 770 Yeshiva Administration needs to be held accountable
a. If a Shliach is monetarily damaged – send a bill to the Yeshiva administrators
b. If a Shliach is being harassed for explanations due to actions orchestrated by these rogues – give that person the home phone numbers to all the Yeshiva Administrators and inform him that they can explain it all.
c. If you, as a Chabad Chossid, are being harassed for explanations due to actions orchestrated by these rogues – give that person the home phone numbers to all the Yeshiva Administrators and inform him that they can explain it all.
2) The Bochurim need to be held accountable
a. Most of these bochurim rely on the Yeshiva for shelter, clothing, food, immigration visas, etc
b. Create a “three strikes and you’re out” type of system. If they are involved in these activities or break the Yeshiva rules and moral rules three times then they loose these privileges.
c. For example: If they leave Yeshiva without permission to create a Times Square Rally (irrelevant if it is a Yechi Rally or not) that is strike one. They get a warning and if they break the rules twice more – they are out.
3) Stop allowing Kvuzta from Tzefat
4) Have Mashpiyim whom the bochurim may listen to, yet who are not of the variety that believes that the Rebbe is G-d, farbrang with them on a regular basis. Make attendance required. (If they don’t show up – see Rule 2.)
a. These bochurim are for the most part kids that are simply looking for “something” in life. By nature they initially are not bad people. However they get caught up in this movement being run by a few extremists. There is no one countering these few extremist leaders in molding the minds of these kids. These bochurim simply need guidance and leadership which is sorely lacking
When I was 19 years old and in Yeshiva: there were rules, regulations, and most importantly accountability. It was a structured environment. Unfortunately the kvutza bochurim are dropped off in middle of 770 and told to study. They are completely unsupervised, the atmosphere is a free for all, and it is a detrimental environment for the development of a young bochur. It makes no sense to have a 19 year old expect to be able to be self policing at that age.
For years 770 was used (correctly) as a Beis Medrash only for older bochurim (e.g. those in their 20’s who were already mature and developed from their earlier years in structured Yeshivas). 770 can be a wonderful place to learn if one is mature enough to regulate one’s self. L’havdil, even in secular schooling: at an undergraduate level the students are in a more structured environment. I.e. mandatory classes, structured class times, dorm rules, etc. Only when students are in graduate school are they given more freedoms as at that point in their lived the students are (hopefully) more mature.
As the Rebbe was fond of saying, “Ha’mayse who ha’ikar.” By implementing these four steps there is sure to be a positive change in Chabad.
Sincerely,
A Concerned Chassid
cc
as much as i disagree with it, i wonder if there would have been the same response had they been saying the 12 psukim or dancing on tahalucha = ‘pareve’ or even ‘kosher’ things. then, the exact same scene would’ve been ‘wow, what pride! what a kiddush lubavitch!’
just to note.
moshe
WOW! – Thier is so much hatred for our fellow chasidim. I judt do not get it?
Use My Imagination ;)
Cool Video!
Yechi!
Israeli soldeir (chabadnik)
simply pothetice….
Mendy H
to CC – good point.
I HATE the actions of the Tzfatim – they are totally abhorrent, but every so often i think that to the outsider there is no difference whether they are marching and dancing Yechi or whether they are dancing ‘tayere brider’ in the airport. To them its exactly the same.
Are we going to complain that they look scruffy? Lubavitcher Bochurim are notorious for having their shirts untucked etc..
So what is it exactly that we hate?
Proud Psychiatrist
So I did get involved in the right career after all. There is so much money to make in Crown Heights. Business in Flatbush is a bit slow. Boruch Hashem.
Viewer
All that was missing was Nassrallah (maidovnik) leading them in the front.
We must do Teshuvah.
I HOPE YOU ALL READ THIS
i have a couple things to say;
1. this is website for news of crown heights, nyc, the lubavitch world thats what the site is for webby does a great job posting all the news. if you dont like what gets posted the simply dont look at this site. and if you do visit this site at least have the decensy not to comment that news like this shouldnt be posted.
2. ATT. Chabad Chassid
great plan and wonderful advice. next step, how to implement this? but then again its the rebbes shul and they are the rebbes chassdim wheather we like it or not.
3. ATT. All Commentators
IT is extremely sad to see how frum people talk about other jews. you should all be ashamed of yourselves; unfortunatley we are so quick to verbalize others faults publicly that we fail to see our own. :(
Itzhak Schier
To CC:
There is something called Beofen Hamiskabel. Dancing on tahalucha or reciting the 12 psukim at an organized rally or even at a menorah lighting are usually well within that category. Parading down the streets of Manhattan in Harry Kishke style is completely against everything Chabad and the Rebbe stand for.
B.N.
Do you have chayos? if so where is it and how do you use it? Are you gung-ho on the Rebbe’s Inyonim??? Mivtzoyim, Learning Chassidus, Mashpi’im, acting Chassidishe?? Let’s first try and improve ourselves and really do what the Rebbe wants before we go criticizing “them”.
control yourselves
u call urselves lubavitchers? ahavas yisrael anyone? i dont care if they were dancing naked in the times square screaming that they are the messiah, not a single one of u has the right to hate them. i have never seen so many disgusting adjectives in a single blog before “abhorrent, hate shame…” who taught u to hate? even if they are the scum of the earth (which they arent – they are jews and by definition the top of the top) they can still top all of u gantze chassidishe people with one thing: they know how to love. im sorry but i was brought up taught to love and it is not the video but the comments that bring tears to my eyes. get ahold of yourselves people and control urself, loshon horah, rechilus and many other nice big aveiros are rampant so maybe… i dont see why u have no problem accepting all other yidden but your neighbor across the street.
p.s. and btw the whole taliban, nasralla thing? yeah -its way cliched. please people get original
chillul h-
I walk downe the street, when I see shvarzes jumping all over the place I go to the other side. I wonder if the pepole in manhaten allso want to go acros the street wene they see so meny pepole in black hets and musterd steans on their jackits?
and worset of all some pepole stik up for them after watching this video I hope they change thir mindes abote who they are sticking up for.!!!
MOSHIACH NOW!!!!!!!
to moshe.. re: hatered of chassidim
If these “chassidim” you talk about would have done to something half as bad to your father as they do to the Rebbe, I wonder where your peace + love would be then???
I guess you are quick to love them, but the fact that they destroy the rebbe’s life work doesnt seem to bother you. Well, maybe you dont love him so much, which explains how you could call them “chassidim”
PLEASE WATCH YOUR LANGUAGE!!!
First of all no matter what you think there is an issur of lashon hara which it seems many of you are forgetting.
Secondly, i was in eretz yisroel a couple years ago with a group of lubavitch girls. we were walking through some sort of marketplace which was full of non tznius pple, parties… and it was the night after the disengagement. what do you think we did? we walked along chanting the twelve pesukim similarly to what the bachurim in the clip did (and as far as i can remember i think we said yechi after finishing the pesukim). we felt like we were elevating the place – and many were commenting on our orange shirts and saying we should go to gush katif instead. did we do something wrong? were we making a ‘chilul hashem and chilul lubavitc’? i don’t think so.
wondering
Are we embarrased to openly say that the Rebbe is Moshiach?…………I wonder whats bugging everyone. I hope this is the worst thing these people do. It could be worse! Ppl in Times square dont even know what they are saying. If they sang it in English……thats worse.
Shulem
Khas v’shulem! farvus firn zay zikh azoy? Vus ken men tin?
Ike
As long as Lubavitchers worldwide continue supporting the Dormitory in Crown Heights … we have no one to blame then ourselves for such a chillul Lubavitch.
How dare Chassidishe ‘looking’ Bochrum roam in Manhatten .. and cause people to look down at Frum People. Why are they not at seder? Where are their letters from their Mashpiam giving them permission to take time off to go to Manhatten to this? (As was demanded by the Rebbe in the ’70s for Bochrim to have to go on Mitzvah tanks?!)
They have followed the footsteps of all the other cults that roam in Manhatten.
Shame on all of us for allowing this sickness and disease to fester in our own midst.
Esther
REPULSIVE!
G-d help them realize and see their foolishness, and embarrassment they’re causing to the Rebbe and the whole Lubavitch!
SM
Hey Uriel- Hows the chilul Hashem Going?????????
CHer
One word… Taliban!
All I can say
CHillul Hasem!!! Chillul Lubavitch!!!
upset
another embarrassment for Lubavitch….go back to whatever planet you came from….
Tears!
OH MY G——–DDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hate to say this about other Jews but I wanted to cry when watching such a blatant chilul Hashem Happening…
Woe unto us, a chabad community that has become so diverse, and so split, over someone so special as the Rebbe!
Pained
they have no objective… just to destroy every thing the rebbe worked for all his life..
To all their sympathisers, make sure to read this article and the comments at the bottom.
http://www.haaretz.com/hase…
If you still sympathize with them, you’re a lost case
TERRIBLE. THEY ARE THE SPIRITUAL BIN LADEN
fed up
Please note the accent – send them back to where they came from !!!!! It’s enough already!!
ch resident
to ike
Number 1 – which rebbe said to keep seder? There rebbe told them that they should go.
Number 2 – Maspiam?????????? Don’t u know who there mashpiam are, they were most probably with them.
You are 100% right that it’s a disgrace. Let’s ship them back to where they came from and they can be chillul lubavitch as much as they want over there, coz they were most probably chucked out for that reason
true jew
Big deal. When I commented about yechi being said at my shul the rabbi had this to answer “this is a Christian shul if you don’t like it don’t come here,” and all this time I thought Christian go to church.why don’t they just move their shabbos to Sunday and leave us Jews alone.
shmarya
you should bury yourself from shame for publicizing this chillul hashem and b’zoin of the Rebbe zy’a’s name…
jihada
what chassidishe Bachurim……just like in the real army marching with pride…but I am not sure why but that clip from the JEM video comes to mind JIHADA JIHADA JIHADA….. Haifa.. Yaffo…..
There both middle Eastern…maybe these Bachurim really are descendants who knows?
havemeyer
webby, dont tarnish your great and informative site with this chillul hashem and chillul lubavitch. its a disgrace, how dare they take the holy name of the rebbe and the reputation of chabad and bring it into manhatten in such a prost and lhavdil goyishe way.
Just thinking aloud?
Chill people, ever heard of being mevarer netzuzos. Maybe you can’t and I can’t but who say’s this dose’nt need done? Weve tried pretty much everything else so maybe this is what’s meant to “shrien”. I wish I had all the answers, but something new’s got to be done. Everyone do what they feels right. Who said doing teffilin and neshek is normal, the rest of the world never did, heh? Ker a velt hint ain’t gonna happen only from a basement on Eastern Pkwy.
Meow Industries!
What Happend to their Turbans? Did
They leave them at 1414?
Dayenu
if only the posting of the clip would give someone that last push to shove them back to the city of the future Tzefat Dayenu!
Chona Nosson Gewirtz
Whether or not one agrees with what these bachurim are doing in the video, I don’t think verbally bashing them and slandering them is the answer.
Chaim
Can anyone send these Yogies back to where they came from?
Whoever was Mekarev them to us – kindly take responsobility!
Moshe
Such hatred for your BROTHERS – what a pity.
jihad
what is the big deal…worse then this happenes every motzei shabbos in times squre. with these guys…they have flags etc… you should check at there web sites… specficly on Kidush levanah. night. you wouldnt belive what goes on there..
Watch your comments
watch your comments or they’ll send Uncle Nassralla after you ( he has a nephew in that mob)
Itzhak Schier
Hmmm…is there a direct subway line from Times Square to either Creedmoor or Pilgrim State? Then again, the A from Times Square goes to the Train to the Plane which in turn goes to the airport, and then they can get a shuttle to Ariana Afghan Airlines terminal for a long trip home!
concerned chasid
To my fellow Chabad Chassidim:
I personally know one of the Shluchim in Manhattan. Every time these “people” orchestrate such events, the Shliach is the one who really suffers and he spends the next long while in damage control mode. Locals demand explanations, fundraising is affected, opponents take advantage and use this as a ploy to steal away members, etc. The actions of these “people” are not merely amusing or harmless. They injure the Shluchim in the area. There behavior has gone too far and needs to be stopped already.
Steps to be taken include:
1) The entire 770 Yeshiva Administration needs to be held accountable
a. If a Shliach is monetarily damaged – send a bill to the Yeshiva administrators
b. If a Shliach is being harassed for explanations due to actions orchestrated by these rogues – give that person the home phone numbers to all the Yeshiva Administrators and inform him that they can explain it all.
c. If you, as a Chabad Chossid, are being harassed for explanations due to actions orchestrated by these rogues – give that person the home phone numbers to all the Yeshiva Administrators and inform him that they can explain it all.
2) The Bochurim need to be held accountable
a. Most of these bochurim rely on the Yeshiva for shelter, clothing, food, immigration visas, etc
b. Create a “three strikes and you’re out” type of system. If they are involved in these activities or break the Yeshiva rules and moral rules three times then they loose these privileges.
c. For example: If they leave Yeshiva without permission to create a Times Square Rally (irrelevant if it is a Yechi Rally or not) that is strike one. They get a warning and if they break the rules twice more – they are out.
3) Stop allowing Kvuzta from Tzefat
4) Have Mashpiyim whom the bochurim may listen to, yet who are not of the variety that believes that the Rebbe is G-d, farbrang with them on a regular basis. Make attendance required. (If they don’t show up – see Rule 2.)
a. These bochurim are for the most part kids that are simply looking for “something” in life. By nature they initially are not bad people. However they get caught up in this movement being run by a few extremists. There is no one countering these few extremist leaders in molding the minds of these kids. These bochurim simply need guidance and leadership which is sorely lacking
When I was 19 years old and in Yeshiva: there were rules, regulations, and most importantly accountability. It was a structured environment. Unfortunately the kvutza bochurim are dropped off in middle of 770 and told to study. They are completely unsupervised, the atmosphere is a free for all, and it is a detrimental environment for the development of a young bochur. It makes no sense to have a 19 year old expect to be able to be self policing at that age.
For years 770 was used (correctly) as a Beis Medrash only for older bochurim (e.g. those in their 20’s who were already mature and developed from their earlier years in structured Yeshivas). 770 can be a wonderful place to learn if one is mature enough to regulate one’s self. L’havdil, even in secular schooling: at an undergraduate level the students are in a more structured environment. I.e. mandatory classes, structured class times, dorm rules, etc. Only when students are in graduate school are they given more freedoms as at that point in their lived the students are (hopefully) more mature.
As the Rebbe was fond of saying, “Ha’mayse who ha’ikar.” By implementing these four steps there is sure to be a positive change in Chabad.
Sincerely,
A Concerned Chassid
cc
as much as i disagree with it, i wonder if there would have been the same response had they been saying the 12 psukim or dancing on tahalucha = ‘pareve’ or even ‘kosher’ things. then, the exact same scene would’ve been ‘wow, what pride! what a kiddush lubavitch!’
just to note.
moshe
WOW! – Thier is so much hatred for our fellow chasidim. I judt do not get it?
Use My Imagination ;)
Cool Video!
Yechi!
Israeli soldeir (chabadnik)
simply pothetice….
Mendy H
to CC – good point.
I HATE the actions of the Tzfatim – they are totally abhorrent, but every so often i think that to the outsider there is no difference whether they are marching and dancing Yechi or whether they are dancing ‘tayere brider’ in the airport. To them its exactly the same.
Are we going to complain that they look scruffy? Lubavitcher Bochurim are notorious for having their shirts untucked etc..
So what is it exactly that we hate?
Proud Psychiatrist
So I did get involved in the right career after all. There is so much money to make in Crown Heights. Business in Flatbush is a bit slow. Boruch Hashem.
Viewer
All that was missing was Nassrallah (maidovnik) leading them in the front.
We must do Teshuvah.
I HOPE YOU ALL READ THIS
i have a couple things to say;
1. this is website for news of crown heights, nyc, the lubavitch world thats what the site is for webby does a great job posting all the news. if you dont like what gets posted the simply dont look at this site. and if you do visit this site at least have the decensy not to comment that news like this shouldnt be posted.
2. ATT. Chabad Chassid
great plan and wonderful advice. next step, how to implement this? but then again its the rebbes shul and they are the rebbes chassdim wheather we like it or not.
3. ATT. All Commentators
IT is extremely sad to see how frum people talk about other jews. you should all be ashamed of yourselves; unfortunatley we are so quick to verbalize others faults publicly that we fail to see our own. :(
Itzhak Schier
To CC:
There is something called Beofen Hamiskabel. Dancing on tahalucha or reciting the 12 psukim at an organized rally or even at a menorah lighting are usually well within that category. Parading down the streets of Manhattan in Harry Kishke style is completely against everything Chabad and the Rebbe stand for.
B.N.
Do you have chayos? if so where is it and how do you use it? Are you gung-ho on the Rebbe’s Inyonim??? Mivtzoyim, Learning Chassidus, Mashpi’im, acting Chassidishe?? Let’s first try and improve ourselves and really do what the Rebbe wants before we go criticizing “them”.
control yourselves
u call urselves lubavitchers? ahavas yisrael anyone? i dont care if they were dancing naked in the times square screaming that they are the messiah, not a single one of u has the right to hate them. i have never seen so many disgusting adjectives in a single blog before “abhorrent, hate shame…” who taught u to hate? even if they are the scum of the earth (which they arent – they are jews and by definition the top of the top) they can still top all of u gantze chassidishe people with one thing: they know how to love. im sorry but i was brought up taught to love and it is not the video but the comments that bring tears to my eyes. get ahold of yourselves people and control urself, loshon horah, rechilus and many other nice big aveiros are rampant so maybe… i dont see why u have no problem accepting all other yidden but your neighbor across the street.
p.s. and btw the whole taliban, nasralla thing? yeah -its way cliched. please people get original
chillul h-
I walk downe the street, when I see shvarzes jumping all over the place I go to the other side. I wonder if the pepole in manhaten allso want to go acros the street wene they see so meny pepole in black hets and musterd steans on their jackits?
and worset of all some pepole stik up for them after watching this video I hope they change thir mindes abote who they are sticking up for.!!!
MOSHIACH NOW!!!!!!!
to moshe.. re: hatered of chassidim
If these “chassidim” you talk about would have done to something half as bad to your father as they do to the Rebbe, I wonder where your peace + love would be then???
I guess you are quick to love them, but the fact that they destroy the rebbe’s life work doesnt seem to bother you. Well, maybe you dont love him so much, which explains how you could call them “chassidim”
PLEASE WATCH YOUR LANGUAGE!!!
First of all no matter what you think there is an issur of lashon hara which it seems many of you are forgetting.
Secondly, i was in eretz yisroel a couple years ago with a group of lubavitch girls. we were walking through some sort of marketplace which was full of non tznius pple, parties… and it was the night after the disengagement. what do you think we did? we walked along chanting the twelve pesukim similarly to what the bachurim in the clip did (and as far as i can remember i think we said yechi after finishing the pesukim). we felt like we were elevating the place – and many were commenting on our orange shirts and saying we should go to gush katif instead. did we do something wrong? were we making a ‘chilul hashem and chilul lubavitc’? i don’t think so.
wondering
Are we embarrased to openly say that the Rebbe is Moshiach?…………I wonder whats bugging everyone. I hope this is the worst thing these people do. It could be worse! Ppl in Times square dont even know what they are saying. If they sang it in English……thats worse.
Shulem
Khas v’shulem! farvus firn zay zikh azoy? Vus ken men tin?