Video: Do Haredi Jews Need to Behave Better on Airplanes?
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Milhouse
Oh wow, such unreasonable behaviour! Couples want to sit together! Parents want to sit with their children! Whatever will they think of next? As if normal people are happy to have their families scattered through the plane, let the children sit unsupervised among strangers, have the wife sit with a baby in one place while the husband is somewhere else and can’t help her, that’s all perfectly normal, and only these nudniks have different ideas. Come on. These are perfectly reasonable requests for passengers to make. Maybe this guy doesn’t fly much, and doesn’t know that it’s absolutely standard practice for flight crew to move people around so that families can sit together.
In any case, an hour’s delay on an intercontinental flight is nothing, it’s to be expected, and this guy should be grateful that it wasn’t longer.
AA
Milhouse, then the time to arrange for seating together is either:
1. when you book the tickets (usually, tickets booked together will be given adjacent seats, if possible), or
2. by talking to one of the gate agents before boarding the flight.
And if not: yes, if it’s a matter of sitting together with your child, that’s one thing – people are usually accomodating enough for that. But the way it’s described here, it sounds like everyone in the group wanted to sit together in one area. True that “alle Yidden zeinen brider,” but that’s no reason to inconvenience an entire planeload of people.
(And what do you mean that “an hour’s delay on an intercontinental flight is nothing”? Would you say the same thing if it’s your own time you’re talking about, and probably a connecting flight to deal with? Have a little respect for the tzelem Elokim with which all human beings, Jews and lehavdil non-Jews, were created.)
Organization would have gone a long way
Millhouse, although you may be correct, they ARE reasonable demands, families wanting to sit together. HOWEVER, why couldn’t they have arranged that with their travel agent BEFORE, either when booking their flights or a day or two before the date of departure?
liepa
The airline should have certainly coordinated all the logistics for their Israeli passengers properly. Seems to me, the software handling seating arrangements at Turkish Air needs to be upgraded.
As far as these 2 moron’s go, they must be running out of news.
it doesnt have to be like this
I had a situation recently where my family, a large group of 18, were flying to a family wedding abroad.
When we booked the tickets we requested to have seats together but the travel agent told us that he could not select seats but we should try checking-in online 24hrs before the flight.
Comes 24 hours before the flight and we try to check-in online and we got an error message saying that due to the size of the group we could only check-in at the airport.
We make it to the airport with our 3 minivans, 18 passengers with ages ranging from 5 – 56 and about 30 pieces of luggage plus hand luggage!!
My wife had explained to all the children about the importance of not making a chillul hashem. Anyhow, we proceed to checkin, and we are informed that it was a full flight and there was no big group of seats available, but we should try again at the gate.
We take our boarding passes and head past security all the while my wife reminding everyone about not causing a chillul hashem. We get past security and I suggest to my wife, instead of harassing the gate agent about seats we should see what seats we were given and try to sort it out this way. In the end, after playing a little SuDoKu with the seats we made sure that no child was sitting alone and that, given the circumstances, everyone was happy with where they were seated.
We get on the plane and followed our plan and sat where we were seated and after a few minutes some of the passengers realised that we were part of one big group and offered to switch seats so we could be seated together. I forbade any of our group to ask someone to switch, but if someone offered, they should say “Yes please and thank you.” Within about 10 minutes after take off we had 1/2 the family sitting together and the other half sitting together.
15 hours later we land at our destination and as we were disembarking the flight attendant told my wife that it was her pleasure flying with such a well behave group!
maven
I get the feeling there is a definite bias by this young man’s against his more religious cohorts.
MG
they didnt even mention blocking aisles and emergency exits for davening….
maybe I am old fashioned, but shouldnt people daven in shul? Or perhaps make a minyan in the airport terminal while witing to get on the plane ?
I recently flew to Uman , the flight was 80% orthodox jews. It was the biggest chillel hashem i have ever seen.
The people couldnt sit in their chairs for more than 2 minutes at a time.
Milhouse
#2, you obviously don’t fly very often. That is not how it works. If you need several seats together, it will often happen that by the time you check in there are no suitable blocks available. The check-in desk assigns you whatever seats they can, and tell you to sort it out with the flight crew. On any large flight you will see during the boarding process that the flight crew is trying to move people around so that a family can sit together. That is the process. That is how it works. That is how families get seated together.
You say “if it’s a matter of sitting together with your child, that’s one thing”; but that is EXACTLY what is described in the video. If you think “everyone in the group wanted to sit together in one area” you must be delusional, because no such thing is mentioned in the video. You’re supplying that out of your own imagination.
Lastly it is the plain and simple truth that an hour’s delay in an intercontinental flight taking off is NOTHING. It’s trivial, it’s normal, it’s to be expected. It’s like a 10-minute delay on a NYC bus; and if you take buses regularly you know how often a bus is 10 minutes late. Anyone who expects an intercontinental flight to take off on time, and whose plans depend on it arriving on time, is not living in this world.
G-d, please don-t use that word
Hareidi…..
Reminds me of a certain website…..
they did nothing wrong...
Looking at at some of these comments I realize people lack comprehension.
Listen to what the guy is saying: The original flight this group was supposed to be on was canceled for whatever reason. If if they had arranged seating together prior, being put on a new flight would mess all that up. Yes it’s very reasonable for a family to want to sit together and they should be accommodated. I understand why he would be frustrated when his flight is delayed. Some situations are unavoidable.
CHT
If you are a groiser puretz – just take the biz class – and end of story.
FRUM PERSON
I AGREE! FRUM RELIGIOUS DO ACT RUDE, THEY NEED TO BECOME MORE POLITE!!!
Milhouse
#7, maybe he didn’t mention it because it didn’t happen? Why are you adding things from your own imagination?
And when people do make minyonim on a plane, what else should they do? When the time comes for shacharis, and you’re on the plane, what choice do you have? When else are you going to daven? A chilul Hashem is when Lubavitchers daven at all hours, long after the zman, not because they were learning chassidus but because they think it’s normal. How do you think normal yidden look at that? A normal yid davens on time, whether he’s on a plane or anywhere else.
Yerachmiel
I cant take commenters like millhouse seriously because on another thread he put down his fellow jews and implied that if certain jewish people want to protest at occupy wall street they dont have the right to celebrate simchas torah.
Obviously , he will defend improper behavior by his fellow hareidim , and look for ways to besmirch non religious jews who try to do the right thing.
There should be a code of behavior and decorum expected of all airline passengers regardless of their religion etc.
When passengers misbehave and are disrespectful to the airline staff, they should be put on a no fly list and banned from all airlines.
I am tired of trying to have a quiet and relaxed flight ruined by rude people who dont behave respectfully.
Yerachmiel
millhouse the answer is simple. If you are so worried about zman kriah shmah and davening shacharis on time, then book your flights for afternoon travel
just like you cant fly on shabbos , so you are intelligent enough to book a ticket thursday night or saturday night after shabbos, book your travel time where you will be on the ground for a formal shacharis!
I have a general question for you, have you ever been on a flight where religious people acted disrespectfully to the flight attendants ? Have you ever been on a flight where religious people made a chillel hashem by acting like spoiled babies?
How would you address this issue?
Gta
Milhouse, you’re on a roll here don’t stop now!
TO MILHOUSE
milhouse, you seem very knowledgeable concerning these matters…so why do you at first say all the stuff seemingly against chareidim about how they should stop making fusses and stuff on planes, and then you go and talk about the importance of having a minyan even if its on the plane – which could end up being a bit of a fuss to other passengers!
Milhouse
#15, Really? An intercontinental flight should be all “afternoon travel”?! Are you insane?
#17, WTH are you talking about? Are you on drugs?
Milhouse
#14, Someone who is engaged in a battle directly against Hashem and the basic mitzvos that He decreed for all mankind, i.e. DO NOT STEAL, has no business celebrating Simchas Torah. It’s tovel vesheretz beyodo. And he especially has no business celebrating Simchas Torah with mixed dancing. The “occupiers” are a band of criminals, despicable socialists, and anyone who encourages them is also guilty of their rebellion against the most basic standards of human behavior.
AA
Milhouse: Oh, I see. If someone is failing to observe one mitzvah, they shouldn’t observe any others, huh? Unless they wear chareidi dress, and then “hutrah haretzuah” and anything they do to inconvenience others can be justified.
Well, let’s turn this around to you. You spend your day on this and other websites stirring up machlokes (a violation of “velo yihyeh ke-Korach vechaadaso”), slandering people, and generally taking the view that mitzvos bein adam lachaveiro don’t exist. So then, you get out of shul! How dare you celebrate Simchas Torah, or Shabbos, or any other mitzvah?
Milhouse
AA you ferd, what a chutzpah you have. You claim that I stir up machlokes and don’t believe in mitzvos bein odom lachaveiro?! You’re looking in a mirror, not a glass. In case you didn’t notice, these “occupiers” whom you are championing are rebelling against precisely those mitzvos! They have no problem with bein odom lamokom; they want to keep sukkos and simchas torah and all sorts of things, but they’re engaged in stealing, and in upholding stealing as a *shitah*. The whole point of their “protest” is a *machlokes* designed to undermine basic human decency, bein odom lachavero, to steal that which belongs to others. And since a ben noach who steals is chayav misa, they’re leading people to their deaths!
As for celebrating the Torah while they’re engaged in rebelling against it, does “tovel vesheretz beyodo” really mean nothing to you?!
Milhouse
Ikkor shochachti: #20, who exactly is making machlokes on this very thread? Who is attacking people? You are, not me. I’m the one making sholom and defending the decent people who are being maligned.
mottel
I travel a lot and often you cannot select seats in advance esepcially as they reserve for top-paying passengers etc.
I personally traveled from Europe to Eretz Yisroel with my wife, 1-year-old baby and at the time 5-year-old son. They seated us 2 rows apart and my son 8 rows away from us (on his own) and said they could not change it! I pointed out they would not allow a child his age to travel alone so how ironic but they took a long time to see commonsense. There are 2 sides to most stories.
Yerachmiel
I disagree with millhouse on a few issues, but I will not attack him personally and call him names. That would not benefit anyone. The better way to do things is to have a respectful debate on these issues.
Perhaps after we state our opinions and reply to each others opinions, we will still disagree. That is perfectly ok. I dont think millhouse is a bad person or someone who is trying to stir up trouble. But I do strongly disagree with some of his comments.
1- I agree international flights are difficult.I am a smoker unfortunately. Having to sit in my seat for 10 hours while I feel edgy and jumpy and craving a cigarette is very difficult. But it was my decision to become a smoker.It was a bad decision. But the other passengers should not suffer because of my bad decisions. I do my best to behave on planes and not upset other people who have the right to a peaceful flight.
I have davened quietly in my seat a few times on international flights.It would be unfair of me to block the aisle for an hour and not allow the flight attendants to serve food or allow the other passengers to use the bathroom.
2- how is protesting against wall st, corporate greed , and government corruption a bad idea? How is that a rebellion against the torah? How is that stealing ?
One of the 7 mitzvos bnei noach is to set up courts of justice. When the government is not doing a good job , it is the duty of the people to speak out and change things for the better and demand justice.And that means justice for everyone, not just justice for the wealthy and powerful corporations and their lobbyists.
I dont personally agree with every sign at occupy wall st, but I do agree with freedom of speech , even unpopular speech. Certainly wasting a trillion dollars killing people in Iraq is a bad idea, that money could have been better spent stimulating our economy , creating jobs, helping the poor etc.
Calling people thieves for demanding more accountability in government is outrageous, and you know it !
and even if someone is a thief, they are wrong for stealing, but they still have a right and a responsibility to daven and to celebrate simchas torah and other holidays.
We are taught a story of the resh lakish who was one of the biggest criminals in his day and transformed his life for the better and became one of the biggest torah scholars of his day. Everyone has the potential to do teshuva faster than the blink of an eye and change their life for the better.
Millhouse would you say that Rubashkin should not put on tefillin or celebrate simchas torah because of the things he is accused of doing wrong? I dont think you would say that , at least I hope you wouldnt.
The big banks , insurance companies, and wall st brokerages got bailed out by the taxpayer when they were in need , now that the middle class taxpayer is in need they are asking to be bailed out by wall st, and other big companies paying their fare share of taxes. That seems fair to me. In no way is that stealing. If you call that stealing , then call the wall st brokerages thieves for stealing bailout money from the taxpayers!
Yerachmiel
by the way , on another thread millhouse wrote that the college football player who plays on shabbos is making a huge kiddush hashem (by going out of his way to eat only kosher food)
I would have expected millhouse to bash the football player for playing on shabbos and saying the football player doesnt deserve to put on tefillin or observe simchas torah etc…
I am happy to read that Millhouse is finally coming around and judging his fellow jews meritoriously !
Now millhouse , why wont you give the jews at occupy wall st the same courtesy… I think by observing simchas torah in public they also made a kiddush hashem!
It-s embarrassin to be Jewish on a plane
The arrogance to think you have the right to order people around just because of your own comfort is unacceptable. Jewish people are extremely arrogant when it come to that. They really think the entire world revolves around them. Sit down and shut up, and have some courtesy towards your fellow passengers.
Milhouse
Oh wow, such unreasonable behaviour! Couples want to sit together! Parents want to sit with their children! Whatever will they think of next? As if normal people are happy to have their families scattered through the plane, let the children sit unsupervised among strangers, have the wife sit with a baby in one place while the husband is somewhere else and can’t help her, that’s all perfectly normal, and only these nudniks have different ideas. Come on. These are perfectly reasonable requests for passengers to make. Maybe this guy doesn’t fly much, and doesn’t know that it’s absolutely standard practice for flight crew to move people around so that families can sit together.
In any case, an hour’s delay on an intercontinental flight is nothing, it’s to be expected, and this guy should be grateful that it wasn’t longer.
AA
Milhouse, then the time to arrange for seating together is either:
1. when you book the tickets (usually, tickets booked together will be given adjacent seats, if possible), or
2. by talking to one of the gate agents before boarding the flight.
And if not: yes, if it’s a matter of sitting together with your child, that’s one thing – people are usually accomodating enough for that. But the way it’s described here, it sounds like everyone in the group wanted to sit together in one area. True that “alle Yidden zeinen brider,” but that’s no reason to inconvenience an entire planeload of people.
(And what do you mean that “an hour’s delay on an intercontinental flight is nothing”? Would you say the same thing if it’s your own time you’re talking about, and probably a connecting flight to deal with? Have a little respect for the tzelem Elokim with which all human beings, Jews and lehavdil non-Jews, were created.)
Organization would have gone a long way
Millhouse, although you may be correct, they ARE reasonable demands, families wanting to sit together. HOWEVER, why couldn’t they have arranged that with their travel agent BEFORE, either when booking their flights or a day or two before the date of departure?
liepa
The airline should have certainly coordinated all the logistics for their Israeli passengers properly. Seems to me, the software handling seating arrangements at Turkish Air needs to be upgraded.
As far as these 2 moron’s go, they must be running out of news.
it doesnt have to be like this
I had a situation recently where my family, a large group of 18, were flying to a family wedding abroad.
When we booked the tickets we requested to have seats together but the travel agent told us that he could not select seats but we should try checking-in online 24hrs before the flight.
Comes 24 hours before the flight and we try to check-in online and we got an error message saying that due to the size of the group we could only check-in at the airport.
We make it to the airport with our 3 minivans, 18 passengers with ages ranging from 5 – 56 and about 30 pieces of luggage plus hand luggage!!
My wife had explained to all the children about the importance of not making a chillul hashem. Anyhow, we proceed to checkin, and we are informed that it was a full flight and there was no big group of seats available, but we should try again at the gate.
We take our boarding passes and head past security all the while my wife reminding everyone about not causing a chillul hashem. We get past security and I suggest to my wife, instead of harassing the gate agent about seats we should see what seats we were given and try to sort it out this way. In the end, after playing a little SuDoKu with the seats we made sure that no child was sitting alone and that, given the circumstances, everyone was happy with where they were seated.
We get on the plane and followed our plan and sat where we were seated and after a few minutes some of the passengers realised that we were part of one big group and offered to switch seats so we could be seated together. I forbade any of our group to ask someone to switch, but if someone offered, they should say “Yes please and thank you.” Within about 10 minutes after take off we had 1/2 the family sitting together and the other half sitting together.
15 hours later we land at our destination and as we were disembarking the flight attendant told my wife that it was her pleasure flying with such a well behave group!
maven
I get the feeling there is a definite bias by this young man’s against his more religious cohorts.
MG
they didnt even mention blocking aisles and emergency exits for davening….
maybe I am old fashioned, but shouldnt people daven in shul? Or perhaps make a minyan in the airport terminal while witing to get on the plane ?
I recently flew to Uman , the flight was 80% orthodox jews. It was the biggest chillel hashem i have ever seen.
The people couldnt sit in their chairs for more than 2 minutes at a time.
Milhouse
#2, you obviously don’t fly very often. That is not how it works. If you need several seats together, it will often happen that by the time you check in there are no suitable blocks available. The check-in desk assigns you whatever seats they can, and tell you to sort it out with the flight crew. On any large flight you will see during the boarding process that the flight crew is trying to move people around so that a family can sit together. That is the process. That is how it works. That is how families get seated together.
You say “if it’s a matter of sitting together with your child, that’s one thing”; but that is EXACTLY what is described in the video. If you think “everyone in the group wanted to sit together in one area” you must be delusional, because no such thing is mentioned in the video. You’re supplying that out of your own imagination.
Lastly it is the plain and simple truth that an hour’s delay in an intercontinental flight taking off is NOTHING. It’s trivial, it’s normal, it’s to be expected. It’s like a 10-minute delay on a NYC bus; and if you take buses regularly you know how often a bus is 10 minutes late. Anyone who expects an intercontinental flight to take off on time, and whose plans depend on it arriving on time, is not living in this world.
G-d, please don-t use that word
Hareidi…..
Reminds me of a certain website…..
they did nothing wrong...
Looking at at some of these comments I realize people lack comprehension.
Listen to what the guy is saying: The original flight this group was supposed to be on was canceled for whatever reason. If if they had arranged seating together prior, being put on a new flight would mess all that up. Yes it’s very reasonable for a family to want to sit together and they should be accommodated. I understand why he would be frustrated when his flight is delayed. Some situations are unavoidable.
CHT
If you are a groiser puretz – just take the biz class – and end of story.
FRUM PERSON
I AGREE! FRUM RELIGIOUS DO ACT RUDE, THEY NEED TO BECOME MORE POLITE!!!
Milhouse
#7, maybe he didn’t mention it because it didn’t happen? Why are you adding things from your own imagination?
And when people do make minyonim on a plane, what else should they do? When the time comes for shacharis, and you’re on the plane, what choice do you have? When else are you going to daven? A chilul Hashem is when Lubavitchers daven at all hours, long after the zman, not because they were learning chassidus but because they think it’s normal. How do you think normal yidden look at that? A normal yid davens on time, whether he’s on a plane or anywhere else.
Yerachmiel
I cant take commenters like millhouse seriously because on another thread he put down his fellow jews and implied that if certain jewish people want to protest at occupy wall street they dont have the right to celebrate simchas torah.
Obviously , he will defend improper behavior by his fellow hareidim , and look for ways to besmirch non religious jews who try to do the right thing.
There should be a code of behavior and decorum expected of all airline passengers regardless of their religion etc.
When passengers misbehave and are disrespectful to the airline staff, they should be put on a no fly list and banned from all airlines.
I am tired of trying to have a quiet and relaxed flight ruined by rude people who dont behave respectfully.
Yerachmiel
millhouse the answer is simple. If you are so worried about zman kriah shmah and davening shacharis on time, then book your flights for afternoon travel
just like you cant fly on shabbos , so you are intelligent enough to book a ticket thursday night or saturday night after shabbos, book your travel time where you will be on the ground for a formal shacharis!
I have a general question for you, have you ever been on a flight where religious people acted disrespectfully to the flight attendants ? Have you ever been on a flight where religious people made a chillel hashem by acting like spoiled babies?
How would you address this issue?
Gta
Milhouse, you’re on a roll here don’t stop now!
TO MILHOUSE
milhouse, you seem very knowledgeable concerning these matters…so why do you at first say all the stuff seemingly against chareidim about how they should stop making fusses and stuff on planes, and then you go and talk about the importance of having a minyan even if its on the plane – which could end up being a bit of a fuss to other passengers!
Milhouse
#15, Really? An intercontinental flight should be all “afternoon travel”?! Are you insane?
#17, WTH are you talking about? Are you on drugs?
Milhouse
#14, Someone who is engaged in a battle directly against Hashem and the basic mitzvos that He decreed for all mankind, i.e. DO NOT STEAL, has no business celebrating Simchas Torah. It’s tovel vesheretz beyodo. And he especially has no business celebrating Simchas Torah with mixed dancing. The “occupiers” are a band of criminals, despicable socialists, and anyone who encourages them is also guilty of their rebellion against the most basic standards of human behavior.
AA
Milhouse: Oh, I see. If someone is failing to observe one mitzvah, they shouldn’t observe any others, huh? Unless they wear chareidi dress, and then “hutrah haretzuah” and anything they do to inconvenience others can be justified.
Well, let’s turn this around to you. You spend your day on this and other websites stirring up machlokes (a violation of “velo yihyeh ke-Korach vechaadaso”), slandering people, and generally taking the view that mitzvos bein adam lachaveiro don’t exist. So then, you get out of shul! How dare you celebrate Simchas Torah, or Shabbos, or any other mitzvah?
Milhouse
AA you ferd, what a chutzpah you have. You claim that I stir up machlokes and don’t believe in mitzvos bein odom lachaveiro?! You’re looking in a mirror, not a glass. In case you didn’t notice, these “occupiers” whom you are championing are rebelling against precisely those mitzvos! They have no problem with bein odom lamokom; they want to keep sukkos and simchas torah and all sorts of things, but they’re engaged in stealing, and in upholding stealing as a *shitah*. The whole point of their “protest” is a *machlokes* designed to undermine basic human decency, bein odom lachavero, to steal that which belongs to others. And since a ben noach who steals is chayav misa, they’re leading people to their deaths!
As for celebrating the Torah while they’re engaged in rebelling against it, does “tovel vesheretz beyodo” really mean nothing to you?!
Milhouse
Ikkor shochachti: #20, who exactly is making machlokes on this very thread? Who is attacking people? You are, not me. I’m the one making sholom and defending the decent people who are being maligned.
mottel
I travel a lot and often you cannot select seats in advance esepcially as they reserve for top-paying passengers etc.
I personally traveled from Europe to Eretz Yisroel with my wife, 1-year-old baby and at the time 5-year-old son. They seated us 2 rows apart and my son 8 rows away from us (on his own) and said they could not change it! I pointed out they would not allow a child his age to travel alone so how ironic but they took a long time to see commonsense. There are 2 sides to most stories.
Yerachmiel
I disagree with millhouse on a few issues, but I will not attack him personally and call him names. That would not benefit anyone. The better way to do things is to have a respectful debate on these issues.
Perhaps after we state our opinions and reply to each others opinions, we will still disagree. That is perfectly ok. I dont think millhouse is a bad person or someone who is trying to stir up trouble. But I do strongly disagree with some of his comments.
1- I agree international flights are difficult.I am a smoker unfortunately. Having to sit in my seat for 10 hours while I feel edgy and jumpy and craving a cigarette is very difficult. But it was my decision to become a smoker.It was a bad decision. But the other passengers should not suffer because of my bad decisions. I do my best to behave on planes and not upset other people who have the right to a peaceful flight.
I have davened quietly in my seat a few times on international flights.It would be unfair of me to block the aisle for an hour and not allow the flight attendants to serve food or allow the other passengers to use the bathroom.
2- how is protesting against wall st, corporate greed , and government corruption a bad idea? How is that a rebellion against the torah? How is that stealing ?
One of the 7 mitzvos bnei noach is to set up courts of justice. When the government is not doing a good job , it is the duty of the people to speak out and change things for the better and demand justice.And that means justice for everyone, not just justice for the wealthy and powerful corporations and their lobbyists.
I dont personally agree with every sign at occupy wall st, but I do agree with freedom of speech , even unpopular speech. Certainly wasting a trillion dollars killing people in Iraq is a bad idea, that money could have been better spent stimulating our economy , creating jobs, helping the poor etc.
Calling people thieves for demanding more accountability in government is outrageous, and you know it !
and even if someone is a thief, they are wrong for stealing, but they still have a right and a responsibility to daven and to celebrate simchas torah and other holidays.
We are taught a story of the resh lakish who was one of the biggest criminals in his day and transformed his life for the better and became one of the biggest torah scholars of his day. Everyone has the potential to do teshuva faster than the blink of an eye and change their life for the better.
Millhouse would you say that Rubashkin should not put on tefillin or celebrate simchas torah because of the things he is accused of doing wrong? I dont think you would say that , at least I hope you wouldnt.
The big banks , insurance companies, and wall st brokerages got bailed out by the taxpayer when they were in need , now that the middle class taxpayer is in need they are asking to be bailed out by wall st, and other big companies paying their fare share of taxes. That seems fair to me. In no way is that stealing. If you call that stealing , then call the wall st brokerages thieves for stealing bailout money from the taxpayers!
Yerachmiel
by the way , on another thread millhouse wrote that the college football player who plays on shabbos is making a huge kiddush hashem (by going out of his way to eat only kosher food)
I would have expected millhouse to bash the football player for playing on shabbos and saying the football player doesnt deserve to put on tefillin or observe simchas torah etc…
I am happy to read that Millhouse is finally coming around and judging his fellow jews meritoriously !
Now millhouse , why wont you give the jews at occupy wall st the same courtesy… I think by observing simchas torah in public they also made a kiddush hashem!
It-s embarrassin to be Jewish on a plane
The arrogance to think you have the right to order people around just because of your own comfort is unacceptable. Jewish people are extremely arrogant when it come to that. They really think the entire world revolves around them. Sit down and shut up, and have some courtesy towards your fellow passengers.