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gosh!!!!!!!
this sign is very offensive and makes men stare even more now
it is doing the opposite of tznious, and ultimately embarrassing woman
And a chillul Hashem
chaim p
5-4-3-2-1 Cue all the haters and those who justify being able to do whatever they want with their lives.
Vinny
I think I will go post a sign:
“Vaccinated Kids, Long Life”
DaasTorah
I wish I could say this shocks me, but the yechinicks are insane, so this is actually rather consistent with their deviant behavior.
It starts with Yechi on top...
When I saw this message I thought “Hmmm. What outsiders came to our sh’chunah and put up such signs?” Then I saw the fine print at the top that says Yechi. Mystery solved! The meshichistin put it up. In every aspect of hashkafa, in every single way, these people are so far, far, far removed from the real Chabad. They are a bunch of spaced-out zealots with no grip on reality or on how to talk to another human being. “Long skirt, long life?!” What the heck? Is that an implicit threat? You’re darn right it is. What a turn off.
INTERESTING
WHO WEARS SHORT SKIRTS IN THE SNOW?!?
YY
if you would wear a long skirt the sign wouldnt be there!
I agree with # 3
spot on. Now all we need is to put signs up urging the schools not to accept students who haven’t been vaccinated
Shmerl
Ok Fine. But what doees long or short skirts have to do with the Rebbe king Messiah living forever?
Please explain?
cutzpe
yes this sign is a little out of place. however the other side is. what a cutzpe of the woman who dress so out of touch for our kids sake
Yosy
Maybe I’m missing something but people are offended that there is a sign encouraging tznius??? What loser & pathetic person is offended by such a sign? The message isn’t a bad one, it’s halacha, so why shoot the messenger??
Miriam
The sign makers forgot to add the third line: “CHOOSE ONE.”
Quiet but Frazzled
I know this message will offend but in all honesty any message at all coming on stationary or noted with the now infamous Yechi banner/slogan is falling on deaf ears for well over 70% of CH.
This is a fact and heard over and over from many.
While this might not be news to most – one wonders if the meschsitim/yechi sympathizers themselves realize the foolness of their folly and the enormous machlokes that all of that shtush precipitated.
Threat
This sign implies that wearing a short skirt shortens one’s life. Is this what we have sunk to?? To curse jews who have a “lower” standard than the Tznius Taliban!
Finally!
we need to be extremist when it come to torah and mitzvos….
a guy
i will be wearing a kilt in protest!
To number 6
To number 6:
Don’t wear long skirt in the snow:) if u do u will be all wet
bored souls
Miriam, you are very funny!
Personally, I think this sign is disgusting. Why? I’m glad it wasn’t nailed to a tree (does that make you think of a certain banned book???) but it seems to be attached to a metal pole.
For shame. Metal comes from the earth as some form of ore & you people are hurting its feelings.
I am truly saddened that you hurt the pole’s feelings. I don’t mind that you hurt MY feelings even though I never wear anything inappropriate, except fur & leather.
MOST GIRLS
most girls dint care about the fuss they go on and do it any how, so wake up thats the problem THEY DONT CARE
old time
i’m all for it! why do people assume it’s the messianists? i am not a messianist, but i am a frum woman living in CH, and i am APPALLED at the lack of tznius in CH. and at the total ignorance of many living here, who supposedly learned in our schools–to say that tznius is a chumra, not a halacha….
just shows you how successful the education from the home and the schools have been–NOT!
Outsider
I don’t know what the fuss is about. It is not a threatening sign. It advocates positive results for doing positive things. So what if the meshichistin put it up? At least they got this right! Even if you disagree with them (I do), give credit where credit is due! This sign is long overdue!
and so?
what’s wrong with it?
Discrimination!!!
Do men need to wear a long skirt to have a long life? Why does this sign discriminate against men? How are men to have a long life???
The truth is hard to swallow
To #6,
don’t be surprised. There are women in my community who do. It is provocative and embarassing to see.
I am not a Yechinik, but I have to say Yasher koach to them for trying the raise the bar with tznius in the CH community. It is sad and disgraceful to see bnos Chabad dressed in such a non-tznius way.
Woman of CH: Before you judge the ones who posted this sign, ask yourselves, if the Rebbe was alive today would he be happy to see how tznius is being trampled upon in your community?
Stop hating!
I totally agree with #17! if you were a long skirt in the snow it is not practical at all!
People forget that ahavas yisroel is so so important! Cursing our brothers and sisters is just as wrong (if not worse!) as wearing our skirts a little short. At least it’s not done with the explicit pupose of hurting another.
Put up the words of the Rebbe or offer tznius classes or on;ine courses on tznius. Stop the hating! People who are “yechiniks” are just as jewish as you are, and so are peple who struggle with their tznius!!
Moshiach now people!!!
The truth is hard to swallow
To #25:
Is it considered hateful if a fellow yid is alerting his brother or sister over something he/she is doing that may cause others to sin????? Are you telling me that instead of being concerned for my fellow Jew I should put my head in the sand rather than speaking out about this problem that is affecting all Bnos Yisroel? If I did not love my fellow Jew, I would follow your advice and keep quiet, c’v.
Also, the girl who is wearing a short skirt may not be doing it for the purpose of hurting another. What she doesn’t realize is that everytime she walks around with short skirts as well as tight clothing she is placing a stumble block in front of Jews who do not know better. Especially in front of men.
LA Morah
#25,the rebbe did say on several occasions that tzneeus brings many brachos. the yetzer hara,who is obviously very powerful on this subject, says “they mean it as a curse”,even though plainly it’s abracha or “it’s a yechi thing” when clearly it’s a frum thing. STOP EMBARASSING THE REBBE!
CALIFORNIA
another reason why I’m glad I don’t live in CH.
whoa!
who’s cursing? why do some ppl here sound so threatened?
its old news that when you do good, Hashem bentches you- its all over torah- this is just a tiny reminder
chana
I know many women who wore long skirts all of their lives and died young….please think of other ways of promoting tznius!
stupid girl
i dress immodestly when its below zero because i like looking like a moron!
Srulik
Jewish Men – learn how to control your wayward thoughts and eyes, then perhaps you can see a woman in any kind of clothes or hear them sing a song and not get mishege of kup
Me
I am wearing a skirt in protest!
I am jealous of yechniks. They got so much yellow fabric ‘n flag matter to wrap themselves up in.
It is simply not fair!
Shloime
After reading all these comments, I must say that anyone offended or threatened by the sign is a loser and pathetic. I am so glad I don’t live in “Clown Heights”.
grandma
grandma wrote let us teach and instill yiras shomayim which will ultimately lead to tzinus.
seriously????
This is a pathetic sign.everyone mind their own business.all a bunch of crown heighsers
Look out women next comes the spit
I think the sign implies that if women don’t wear long skirts the men will spit on them like in Israel and give them a disease that will kill them and make their life short.
The men who posted this sign are disgusting.Probably Milhouse was one of them.
Schneur
If the sign didn’t say yechi would you agree with the message that being tznius is important
Dr. Holmes
Seems okay to me. Why not? Its a religous message meant for a religous community.
yossi a
i agree with #38 finally 1 person wrote something normal it is an embaressment to the Rebbe the way the girls dress SHAME ON YOU and you know hwo you are. BTW the signs were up a while already. if you dont know you are to dress check out shulchan orach hilchos tznios.
what-s next?
Glad I moved out of CLOWN HEIGHTS!
this is wrong
Tzsnius might be important, but someones lifespam deffinitly has nothing to do! Focus on more imortant things like helping the lost people. Not by threatening shorter life
lamp light
The same with fighting all the challenges of life. You might choose to go head-on with battering ram and catapult against the obstacles holding you back in life. You might even put aside all the good things you are doing, to focus your energies on a full assault against all that rotten stuff out there. Argue with the boss, criticize your spouse, tell off the kids, complain about the weather, the recycling, the traffic and everything else that needs fixing.
What a waste of energy! What you really need to do is focus even more intensely on light. Talk about whatever good people are doing and they’ll do more. Praise your wife’s dinner or your husband’s smile. Catch the kids doing things right. Look at whatever you are doing that is good, and grab more of the same. Instead of being a darkness buster, become a lamplighter—and one bright morning you’ll wake up and find the darkness has dissipated away. from kabbalatoons on chabad.org
creticise
it really doesnt sound appealing to me, honestly.
when you think of why some women have a tznius problem, its often because there were issues in their childhood (not happy situation in the home, or anything). Any deep problems will not be fixed with a poster, its really sounding so odd.
admit it sounds embarassing, because it just doesnt seem that this will address anything affectively. I am married and have grown children and am tzanua as the way of the Rebbe but I dont think that I would be impresed at this if I needed help with my tzanua. This to me is an improper choice, I do not see how this will reach other persons
concerned that this is inept
living off ones yichus stopped working a long time ago, but I cannot see this sign business touching anyone’s mind, it seems weird to me that someone thinks this will reach people. I guess the person who made it up thinks that it would help him or her, but I cannot imagine who would go for this. Is this the way the Rebbe would say to do a peulah?
#5
“these people are so far, far, far removed from the real Chabad”
Thats only if you think the “real Chabad” is Chabad light, and doesn’t care about halacha
To#38 Schneur
Without the Yechi there would be NO sign. No, most people do not care at all about tzniut. They don’t care about themselves, family, friends, children, education, or just about anything else. They can’t, they are mostly empty shells, dry bones. But we must speak to the dry bones in any tone that is necessary. You will not insult anyone as much as they have insulted themselves. Lack of tzniut relates to self, so don’t be afraid to insult ANYONE over this tzniut issue. Thanks for the signs, hopefully there will be MANY more.
?????
What happened? A little measly sign made you think twice about “my statement”, and “me being who ”I“ am”!?
YAY!! IT’S GREAT!! Maybe some of YOU, (that’s right-I SAID YOU!) yiddishe shiksa’s will realize what sick “statement” they are REALLY making.
P.S. They purposely put yechi in there – to give you morons something to else to complain about instead of just a sign that says BE MODEST.
To#45 concerned from Gedaliah Goodman
Yes, of course. The Rebbe approved of all the signs about NOT to trim the beard. True, it has not been heeded, but the Rebbe was very much behind signs not to touch the beard. The women are only following the men, they trim the beard, the women trim the skirts. The men are very much at fault and I believe the whole problem is because of the men’s inability to act properly. The women are only following the men’s example. After all, the women are only a mekabel, receiver, and the men are the mashpiah, the transmitter. It appears as though the main issue and the basis for the problem of tzniut or other serious problems is not recognized AT ALL. There are definately answers to all these difficult situations. Ask and you will get the answers. True, not everyone will accept the answers, but they are there for those who truly seek them.
Thanks for the entertainment!
Choose one?! Long life to me long life to…Yechi.. or long skirts?
The Taliban took all the yellow materiel…umm..I guess no yellow skirts..definitely then they will look like morons.
So, any time you don’t do something that will bring you long life, you’ll get short life…yikes!
Forget the pole!
Signs up in Shul “not to speak during davening” is considered hateful?!
Please for next time step up your game.
to Vinny #3
“Vaccinated Kids, Long Life”
Yes indeed – have you not hear about the recent outbreak of whooping cough? Several unvacinated Yiddishe kinderlach were R”L in critical condition just a week ago! I hope they are all recouperad by now. So yes, “Vaccinated Kids, Long Life”, “Long Skirts, Long Life”
to #31
u dress immodestly when its below zero because u like looking like a moron!
what a smrt comment from a supid girl!
Just dress modestly already, and stop moping about your horrible teachers and parents who turned u off from Torah values
#45
hey, #45, I don’t get it. You cannot see this sign business touching anyone’s mind, yet your’s was th 45th comment!
It really has touched many peoples minds!
Now just get a longer skirt, or stop trimming your beard, ok?
igros kodesh vol. VIII, pg 204
“…strenghtening one’s conduct of tznius is an infallable way to be blessed with good health, sustanance, and much nachas – true nachas – from children and grandchildren.”
So you see, a long (ie kosher, not sweeping the floor) skirt does bring good health, sustanance, and much nachas – true nachas – from children and grandchildren, and all these brachos bring one to LONG LIFE
VIVA TZNIUS!
M.Z.
big tsnius problem in CH
how many yong couples dont want to live in CH ? did you ask this question? and i know its a subject at dating time “i dont want to live in CH becaus…have a gess,yes a leek in tsniusand more,you dont belive? to bad but the thru….
moti
to #25 wearing our skirts a little short. At least it’s not done with the explicit pupose of hurting another.
But it DOES hurt because it hurts you and your self-esteem/diginity and it hurts all those who are drawn to look at you because you are exposing yourself. What is the kevono of a short skirt? To help you walk in the snow? Or to attract attention to hidden parts? I doubt short skirts were invented for practical reasons!
riv
BS’’D
I agree with 24, girls its not the length only, its just we all know whats tznius, so we can wear it! We can be Tznius and look good, just not in a goyishe way c’’v, we CAN!
chabad mehadrin
I wear long skirts in the snow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
funny female
dear men
long skirt
odd life
RIVKYKATZ
THE REBBE SAID TO DO ALL WE CAN TO BRING MOSHIACH HERE & NOW; HE OFTEN SAID IT MADE NO SENSE WHY MOSHIACH WAS NOT ALREADY HERE, AS “KALU KOL HAKITZIN, V’ADAYIN LO BA’A!” WE’VE TRIED T’SHUVA, T’HILLIM,ETC. SO WHAT CAN BE LEFT WE DID NOT TRY? THE REBBE SAID LET’S TRY SIMCHA..IT CAN’T HURT, JUST TRY IT-AD MOSAI WITH OUR WHOLE HEART, PERMEATED WITH SIMCHA & BITACHON THAT “HINEI HINEI MOSHIACH BA’A..” WELL HAVEN’T WE TRIED THAT TOO???? SO WHAT CAN BE LEFT??? AREN’T WE ALL SCREAMING AD MOSAI WITH OUR WHOLE HEART & SOUL??? IS THE WORLD NOT SUFFERING ENOUGH??? WE ARE ALL READY, WANTING & DESERVING, & AS THE REBBE SAID WE NEED TO “LIVE WITH MOSHIACH” MEANING TO LIVE AS IF HE WERE HERE & THEN HE’L BE HERE!! WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? EACH OF US HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT. IF OUR BELIEF WAS STRONG THAT MOSHIACH CAN/WILL APPEAR ANY MOMENT, WOULD WE NOT WANT TO BE DRESSED THE WAY HE/ HASHEM WOULD WANT US TO?? PICTURE THE SCENE, HOW DO YOU WANT TO LOOK WHEN WE HAVE THE REBBE BACK, SMILING @ US THAT WE FINALLY MADE IT..then c.v’aholom the smile disappears as he notices unfortunately some of us forgot he’d be coming back any moment????
MAYBE THE SIGN SHOULD SAY, MOSHIACH IS COMING, ARE YOU DRESSED PROPERLY TO GREET HIM??? INSTEAD OF YECHI, OR MISHACHISTS, LET US BE “AKSHONISTS”, AKSHIN ZICH EIN THAT WE CAN & WILL BRING MOSHIACH HERE & NOW, AS THE REBBE DEMANDED, AND PROMISED THAT WE COULD & WILL!!!!
LET’S RISE ABOVE ALL THE NARISHKEITEN, ARGUING, DIFFERENT TEAMS..WE ALL WANT & NEED THE SAME THING AND WE ALL NEED TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO TIP THE SCALE FOR THE WHOLE WORLD!!!! IF IT MEANS LONGER SKIRTS, BETTER KASHRUS, REVIEWING HILCHOS SHABBOS,TAHARAS HAMISHPACHA, LEARN MORE CHASSIDUS, LEARN INYANEI GE’ULA, KOCH IN ASEI TOV AND B’MEILA THE SUR M’RA’A WILL SLIDE AWAY. IT’S HARD TO CHANGE DARKNESS WITH A BROOM, WE NEED TO BRING A SMALL LIGHT AND THAT WILL AUTOMATICALLY DO THE TRICK…SO DO YOUR PART TO BRING LIGHT…
IF WE ALL DRILL IN THESE MESSAGES IN A POSITIVE WAY, IT WILL BE OBVIOUS WHAT WE NEED TO DO, HOW WE NEED TO DRESS, SPEAK, BREATHE, THINK….MOSHIACH’DIK, AS IF HE’S HERE. AND THEN HE WILL APPEAR. HE PROMISED AND HE WILL DELIVER.
Tznius junky
anyone, anyone, can you please tell me were it says that a women has to dress Tznius??? i want a source and a list of rules that state what it means by Tznius. i have asked and so far none has shown me were it says what kind of clothing i should wear.
if you find it i will do it, really. why should you care? thats what i keep saying but you seem to say something else, so if you really care please shear… you will be surprised what you find.
hashem
the person that put up the sign dos int care how you dress its hashem that cares. so do it because hashem wants not because some one told you
LOL
omg! these comments r so boring! i got tons of those signs in my house! i thought u guys would post “haha good one!” or “ya you non-tznius sluts!” lmao you pple comment such wierd things!!
English
If you can’t spell or write a proper sentence than please don’t post! It’s embarrassing and it makes you sound ignorant!
Milhouse
I can’t believe what I’m reading here. What has Chabad come to, that people not only have a problem with an innocuous sign like this, but even imagine that it’s somehow against what Chabad stands for? Chabad is about uncompromising adherence to the Torah. And the Torah says, “For it is your life and the length of your days.” The Torah says, “I put before you life and death, good and bad; and you shall choose life so that you and your descendants will live.” The Torah says “See, I put before you today a blessing and a curse. The blessing is if you obey Hashem your God’s orders, which I command you today; and the curse is if you don’t listen to Hashem your God’s orders, and turn off the way.” The Torah says to do mitzvos “So that your days and your children’s days will increase.” The Torah says “If you go by my laws and keep my orders and do them, I will give you rain at the right time […] And if you despise my laws then” the opposite will happen. Read the tochachos and see what happens if we defy Hashem.
So yes, “long skirt, long life”, and the converse. This is yiddishkeit, and therefore this is Chabad, and anyone who has a problem with it should leave. Go eat treif, break Shabbos, be a goy; or accept what Hashem says.
I’m curious, can one of these people who say that tznius does not affect your life span please explain to me what they think about a kosher mezuzah? Do you accept that a kosher mezuzah protects you, and a possul one or not having one at all exposes you to accidents, illness, poverty, and other bad things? When something bad happens, don’t you check your mezuzos? Isn’t that what the Rebbe always said to do? So why do you think tznius is different?
How about tzedokoh? The gemoro is explicit: TZEDOKOH TATZIL MIMOVES. That means not giving tzedokoh does not save from death. Do you have a problem with that too?
What has Chabad come to, that this is even an issue?
Milhouse
#61, are you for real? Why don’t you go to Judaica World and buy one of the many books about tznius. Buy Kvuda Bas Melech, for instance. Or just ask a rov. Any rov: meshichist, not meshichist, pro-Chanina, anti-Chanina, Lubavitch, not Lubavitch, Ashkenazi, Sefardi, ask any rov in the world and you will hear almost exactly the same psak.
eyeball roll
This sign is factual and I can prove it: Goyim never outlive Jews.
That makes sense, right?!
A mezuzah doesn’t protect you. If it did, there would be no strife.
Giving tzedoka does not save you. If it did, there would be no death.
Tzedoka’s purpose is not for the individual who gives it but for others. To simply do it to extend your life is wrong.
To say these things 100% work is a strike against all the righteous people who lived by the word and suffered, that they must somehow have done something wrong to have earned unfortunate fates.
However, Hashem has a purpose and plan for every individual. No chamsa, no mezuzah, no bracha, no repetition of Tehillim, no c”v will change that.
What counts is on the inside. Your mezuza might be perfect but your soul is another story and only that will be your currency when you die.
Yosy A.
Post 60 – Are you on steroids or something? Refuah Sh’laima!
agree with #61
I too would like a specific sources from the Torah, not from books in Judaica stores that state the exact tznius guidelines. I doubt they exist because there could be as many interpretations as there are people when it comes to what being MODEST is all about. YES, you can be a modest person who happens to not cover elbows because modesty is more about your character, your conduct and your values MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. SOMEONE HERE WANTS TO ARGUE THAT SOMEONE WEARING A LONG SKIRT IS DESERVING OF A LONG LIFE MORE THAN THE ONE WHO HAS GOOD VALUES?????
Milhouse
#67, you are an kofer. Pure and simple. How can you deny what the Torah explicitly tells us? How can you contradict what the Rebbe told us so many times?
CHI, why do you post such open apikorsus?
Never Shame Another Jew
Tzinius is halacha. It is so important! That being said, it is even MORE important to not direct shame toward other Jews! There are many BT women and girls in Crown Heights who maybe haven’t taken tzinius upon themselves yet.
Shouldn’t we always give benefit of the doubt to every Jew and not pass judgment? Tzinius is important, but this sign isn’t kosher.
lightning
@71 even the baal teshuvah knows that hopefully one day she will drees tsnius, and she knows its the right thing to do, and she knows (even without the sticker and even if people dont tell her) that she needs to drees tsnius, if she goes lke that, then i guss the sticker dosent shame her.
and some =one who is not yet frum looks at it just like asking a person to put on teffilin and he – in the meanwhile – says no…
Milhouse
#69, where do you get Torah if not in bookstores? Go get Kvudah Bas Melech, or any number of other sforim on the laws of tznius, and learn the law. No, it is not possible to be a modest woman with exposed elbows. By definition exposed elbows on a woman is immodest, because the halocho says so. This is LAW, not suggestions!
Milhouse
#71, how does a sign shame anyone? Are we not supposed to teach people the right way, just because they might be ashamed that they’ve been doing it wrong till now?! Should we take down all posters against smoking because it shames smokers? How is this different?
to #74
It’s a law because says WHO? So it seems you completely ignores everything else about being a modest person, that’s more about your DEMEANOR and, sorry, not elbows. Personally, I know that my values and my character traits would be definitely classified as modest. I am honest, helpful, polite, don’t ever draw attention to myself with my looks and actions. And G-d forgive me if I don’t cover my elbows. Oh, wait, G-d didn’t say I have to…
eyeball roll
Milhouse,
Ascribing magical amulet properties to material items is wrong. I’d rather be a kofer to such ideas than practice something akin to witchcraft. My faith is in G-d and only G-d, not man, not material items.
You say “explicitly” and I say you’re taking the Torah way out of context to the point of superstition.
A mezuzah is only a reminder of of Hashem’s commandments, that those who dwell there are to and do abide by his word. Any beliefs about protection are man-made and show a lack of faith.
You might want to reexamine text and factual reality of the world.
For 61, there is no rule in the Torah about elbows and knees but in ancient times, men and women dressed similarly. Do a google search.
Anonymous
I would like an explanation why it seems that Chabad wants women to wear shaitels,not hats and teichels for women to cover their hair. It seems to me that shaitels have the opposite effect and attract more attention to the woman, especially the long,flowing ones.How is this better?
Richard Hode
Long skirt or long life? Is this a veiled threat?
awacs
“I would like an explanation why it seems that Chabad wants women to wear shaitels,not hats and teichels for women to cover their hair. It seems to me that shaitels have the opposite effect and attract more attention to the woman, especially the long,flowing ones.How is this better?”
The Rebbe had two reasons:
1) Hats, tichels, etc. almost never cover ALL of the hair, ALL of the time.
2) A woman in a hat/tichel/etc. would be tempted to take it off in, say, the presence of a important gov’t official (or if the DMV told her to). With a shaitel, that’s not likely to happen.
Milhouse
#79, so you’ve confirmed that you are a kofer. What are you doing on this site if you’re against one of the most fundamental and characteristic beliefs of Lubavitchers?
E P
@78 “so your days shall be filled and the days of your children״ did u ever say this in davening before?
awacs
Milhouse wrote:
“#79, so you’ve confirmed that you are a kofer. What are you doing on this site if you’re against one of the most fundamental and characteristic beliefs of Lubavitchers?”
Webby, this is another great reason to fix the comment system. When Milhouse wrote $79, he obviously had some other comment in mind than the one I wrote (I hope). I assume he was talking to eyeball roll.
Comments get added and deleted out of order, and, when people refer to them by number, it gets very confusing. That’s why I always quote.
gosh!!!!!!!
this sign is very offensive and makes men stare even more now
it is doing the opposite of tznious, and ultimately embarrassing woman
And a chillul Hashem
chaim p
5-4-3-2-1 Cue all the haters and those who justify being able to do whatever they want with their lives.
Vinny
I think I will go post a sign:
“Vaccinated Kids, Long Life”
DaasTorah
I wish I could say this shocks me, but the yechinicks are insane, so this is actually rather consistent with their deviant behavior.
It starts with Yechi on top...
When I saw this message I thought “Hmmm. What outsiders came to our sh’chunah and put up such signs?” Then I saw the fine print at the top that says Yechi. Mystery solved! The meshichistin put it up. In every aspect of hashkafa, in every single way, these people are so far, far, far removed from the real Chabad. They are a bunch of spaced-out zealots with no grip on reality or on how to talk to another human being. “Long skirt, long life?!” What the heck? Is that an implicit threat? You’re darn right it is. What a turn off.
INTERESTING
WHO WEARS SHORT SKIRTS IN THE SNOW?!?
YY
if you would wear a long skirt the sign wouldnt be there!
I agree with # 3
spot on. Now all we need is to put signs up urging the schools not to accept students who haven’t been vaccinated
Shmerl
Ok Fine. But what doees long or short skirts have to do with the Rebbe king Messiah living forever?
Please explain?
cutzpe
yes this sign is a little out of place. however the other side is. what a cutzpe of the woman who dress so out of touch for our kids sake
Yosy
Maybe I’m missing something but people are offended that there is a sign encouraging tznius??? What loser & pathetic person is offended by such a sign? The message isn’t a bad one, it’s halacha, so why shoot the messenger??
Miriam
The sign makers forgot to add the third line: “CHOOSE ONE.”
Quiet but Frazzled
I know this message will offend but in all honesty any message at all coming on stationary or noted with the now infamous Yechi banner/slogan is falling on deaf ears for well over 70% of CH.
This is a fact and heard over and over from many.
While this might not be news to most – one wonders if the meschsitim/yechi sympathizers themselves realize the foolness of their folly and the enormous machlokes that all of that shtush precipitated.
Threat
This sign implies that wearing a short skirt shortens one’s life. Is this what we have sunk to?? To curse jews who have a “lower” standard than the Tznius Taliban!
Finally!
we need to be extremist when it come to torah and mitzvos….
a guy
i will be wearing a kilt in protest!
To number 6
To number 6:
Don’t wear long skirt in the snow:) if u do u will be all wet
bored souls
Miriam, you are very funny!
Personally, I think this sign is disgusting. Why? I’m glad it wasn’t nailed to a tree (does that make you think of a certain banned book???) but it seems to be attached to a metal pole.
For shame. Metal comes from the earth as some form of ore & you people are hurting its feelings.
I am truly saddened that you hurt the pole’s feelings. I don’t mind that you hurt MY feelings even though I never wear anything inappropriate, except fur & leather.
MOST GIRLS
most girls dint care about the fuss they go on and do it any how, so wake up thats the problem THEY DONT CARE
old time
i’m all for it! why do people assume it’s the messianists? i am not a messianist, but i am a frum woman living in CH, and i am APPALLED at the lack of tznius in CH. and at the total ignorance of many living here, who supposedly learned in our schools–to say that tznius is a chumra, not a halacha….
just shows you how successful the education from the home and the schools have been–NOT!
Outsider
I don’t know what the fuss is about. It is not a threatening sign. It advocates positive results for doing positive things. So what if the meshichistin put it up? At least they got this right! Even if you disagree with them (I do), give credit where credit is due! This sign is long overdue!
and so?
what’s wrong with it?
Discrimination!!!
Do men need to wear a long skirt to have a long life? Why does this sign discriminate against men? How are men to have a long life???
The truth is hard to swallow
To #6,
don’t be surprised. There are women in my community who do. It is provocative and embarassing to see.
I am not a Yechinik, but I have to say Yasher koach to them for trying the raise the bar with tznius in the CH community. It is sad and disgraceful to see bnos Chabad dressed in such a non-tznius way.
Woman of CH: Before you judge the ones who posted this sign, ask yourselves, if the Rebbe was alive today would he be happy to see how tznius is being trampled upon in your community?
Stop hating!
I totally agree with #17! if you were a long skirt in the snow it is not practical at all!
People forget that ahavas yisroel is so so important! Cursing our brothers and sisters is just as wrong (if not worse!) as wearing our skirts a little short. At least it’s not done with the explicit pupose of hurting another.
Put up the words of the Rebbe or offer tznius classes or on;ine courses on tznius. Stop the hating! People who are “yechiniks” are just as jewish as you are, and so are peple who struggle with their tznius!!
Moshiach now people!!!
The truth is hard to swallow
To #25:
Is it considered hateful if a fellow yid is alerting his brother or sister over something he/she is doing that may cause others to sin????? Are you telling me that instead of being concerned for my fellow Jew I should put my head in the sand rather than speaking out about this problem that is affecting all Bnos Yisroel? If I did not love my fellow Jew, I would follow your advice and keep quiet, c’v.
Also, the girl who is wearing a short skirt may not be doing it for the purpose of hurting another. What she doesn’t realize is that everytime she walks around with short skirts as well as tight clothing she is placing a stumble block in front of Jews who do not know better. Especially in front of men.
LA Morah
#25,the rebbe did say on several occasions that tzneeus brings many brachos. the yetzer hara,who is obviously very powerful on this subject, says “they mean it as a curse”,even though plainly it’s abracha or “it’s a yechi thing” when clearly it’s a frum thing. STOP EMBARASSING THE REBBE!
CALIFORNIA
another reason why I’m glad I don’t live in CH.
whoa!
who’s cursing? why do some ppl here sound so threatened?
its old news that when you do good, Hashem bentches you- its all over torah- this is just a tiny reminder
chana
I know many women who wore long skirts all of their lives and died young….please think of other ways of promoting tznius!
stupid girl
i dress immodestly when its below zero because i like looking like a moron!
Srulik
Jewish Men – learn how to control your wayward thoughts and eyes, then perhaps you can see a woman in any kind of clothes or hear them sing a song and not get mishege of kup
Me
I am wearing a skirt in protest!
I am jealous of yechniks. They got so much yellow fabric ‘n flag matter to wrap themselves up in.
It is simply not fair!
Shloime
After reading all these comments, I must say that anyone offended or threatened by the sign is a loser and pathetic. I am so glad I don’t live in “Clown Heights”.
grandma
grandma wrote let us teach and instill yiras shomayim which will ultimately lead to tzinus.
seriously????
This is a pathetic sign.everyone mind their own business.all a bunch of crown heighsers
Look out women next comes the spit
I think the sign implies that if women don’t wear long skirts the men will spit on them like in Israel and give them a disease that will kill them and make their life short.
The men who posted this sign are disgusting.Probably Milhouse was one of them.
Schneur
If the sign didn’t say yechi would you agree with the message that being tznius is important
Dr. Holmes
Seems okay to me. Why not? Its a religous message meant for a religous community.
yossi a
i agree with #38 finally 1 person wrote something normal it is an embaressment to the Rebbe the way the girls dress SHAME ON YOU and you know hwo you are. BTW the signs were up a while already. if you dont know you are to dress check out shulchan orach hilchos tznios.
what-s next?
Glad I moved out of CLOWN HEIGHTS!
this is wrong
Tzsnius might be important, but someones lifespam deffinitly has nothing to do! Focus on more imortant things like helping the lost people. Not by threatening shorter life
lamp light
The same with fighting all the challenges of life. You might choose to go head-on with battering ram and catapult against the obstacles holding you back in life. You might even put aside all the good things you are doing, to focus your energies on a full assault against all that rotten stuff out there. Argue with the boss, criticize your spouse, tell off the kids, complain about the weather, the recycling, the traffic and everything else that needs fixing.
What a waste of energy! What you really need to do is focus even more intensely on light. Talk about whatever good people are doing and they’ll do more. Praise your wife’s dinner or your husband’s smile. Catch the kids doing things right. Look at whatever you are doing that is good, and grab more of the same. Instead of being a darkness buster, become a lamplighter—and one bright morning you’ll wake up and find the darkness has dissipated away. from kabbalatoons on chabad.org
creticise
it really doesnt sound appealing to me, honestly.
when you think of why some women have a tznius problem, its often because there were issues in their childhood (not happy situation in the home, or anything). Any deep problems will not be fixed with a poster, its really sounding so odd.
admit it sounds embarassing, because it just doesnt seem that this will address anything affectively. I am married and have grown children and am tzanua as the way of the Rebbe but I dont think that I would be impresed at this if I needed help with my tzanua. This to me is an improper choice, I do not see how this will reach other persons
concerned that this is inept
living off ones yichus stopped working a long time ago, but I cannot see this sign business touching anyone’s mind, it seems weird to me that someone thinks this will reach people. I guess the person who made it up thinks that it would help him or her, but I cannot imagine who would go for this. Is this the way the Rebbe would say to do a peulah?
#5
“these people are so far, far, far removed from the real Chabad”
Thats only if you think the “real Chabad” is Chabad light, and doesn’t care about halacha
To#38 Schneur
Without the Yechi there would be NO sign. No, most people do not care at all about tzniut. They don’t care about themselves, family, friends, children, education, or just about anything else. They can’t, they are mostly empty shells, dry bones. But we must speak to the dry bones in any tone that is necessary. You will not insult anyone as much as they have insulted themselves. Lack of tzniut relates to self, so don’t be afraid to insult ANYONE over this tzniut issue. Thanks for the signs, hopefully there will be MANY more.
?????
What happened? A little measly sign made you think twice about “my statement”, and “me being who ”I“ am”!?
YAY!! IT’S GREAT!! Maybe some of YOU, (that’s right-I SAID YOU!) yiddishe shiksa’s will realize what sick “statement” they are REALLY making.
P.S. They purposely put yechi in there – to give you morons something to else to complain about instead of just a sign that says BE MODEST.
To#45 concerned from Gedaliah Goodman
Yes, of course. The Rebbe approved of all the signs about NOT to trim the beard. True, it has not been heeded, but the Rebbe was very much behind signs not to touch the beard. The women are only following the men, they trim the beard, the women trim the skirts. The men are very much at fault and I believe the whole problem is because of the men’s inability to act properly. The women are only following the men’s example. After all, the women are only a mekabel, receiver, and the men are the mashpiah, the transmitter. It appears as though the main issue and the basis for the problem of tzniut or other serious problems is not recognized AT ALL. There are definately answers to all these difficult situations. Ask and you will get the answers. True, not everyone will accept the answers, but they are there for those who truly seek them.
Thanks for the entertainment!
Choose one?! Long life to me long life to…Yechi.. or long skirts?
The Taliban took all the yellow materiel…umm..I guess no yellow skirts..definitely then they will look like morons.
So, any time you don’t do something that will bring you long life, you’ll get short life…yikes!
Forget the pole!
Signs up in Shul “not to speak during davening” is considered hateful?!
Please for next time step up your game.
to Vinny #3
“Vaccinated Kids, Long Life”
Yes indeed – have you not hear about the recent outbreak of whooping cough? Several unvacinated Yiddishe kinderlach were R”L in critical condition just a week ago! I hope they are all recouperad by now. So yes, “Vaccinated Kids, Long Life”, “Long Skirts, Long Life”
to #31
u dress immodestly when its below zero because u like looking like a moron!
what a smrt comment from a supid girl!
Just dress modestly already, and stop moping about your horrible teachers and parents who turned u off from Torah values
#45
hey, #45, I don’t get it. You cannot see this sign business touching anyone’s mind, yet your’s was th 45th comment!
It really has touched many peoples minds!
Now just get a longer skirt, or stop trimming your beard, ok?
igros kodesh vol. VIII, pg 204
“…strenghtening one’s conduct of tznius is an infallable way to be blessed with good health, sustanance, and much nachas – true nachas – from children and grandchildren.”
So you see, a long (ie kosher, not sweeping the floor) skirt does bring good health, sustanance, and much nachas – true nachas – from children and grandchildren, and all these brachos bring one to LONG LIFE
VIVA TZNIUS!
M.Z.
big tsnius problem in CH
how many yong couples dont want to live in CH ? did you ask this question? and i know its a subject at dating time “i dont want to live in CH becaus…have a gess,yes a leek in tsniusand more,you dont belive? to bad but the thru….
moti
to #25 wearing our skirts a little short. At least it’s not done with the explicit pupose of hurting another.
But it DOES hurt because it hurts you and your self-esteem/diginity and it hurts all those who are drawn to look at you because you are exposing yourself. What is the kevono of a short skirt? To help you walk in the snow? Or to attract attention to hidden parts? I doubt short skirts were invented for practical reasons!
riv
BS’’D
I agree with 24, girls its not the length only, its just we all know whats tznius, so we can wear it! We can be Tznius and look good, just not in a goyishe way c’’v, we CAN!
chabad mehadrin
I wear long skirts in the snow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
funny female
dear men
long skirt
odd life
RIVKYKATZ
THE REBBE SAID TO DO ALL WE CAN TO BRING MOSHIACH HERE & NOW; HE OFTEN SAID IT MADE NO SENSE WHY MOSHIACH WAS NOT ALREADY HERE, AS “KALU KOL HAKITZIN, V’ADAYIN LO BA’A!” WE’VE TRIED T’SHUVA, T’HILLIM,ETC. SO WHAT CAN BE LEFT WE DID NOT TRY? THE REBBE SAID LET’S TRY SIMCHA..IT CAN’T HURT, JUST TRY IT-AD MOSAI WITH OUR WHOLE HEART, PERMEATED WITH SIMCHA & BITACHON THAT “HINEI HINEI MOSHIACH BA’A..” WELL HAVEN’T WE TRIED THAT TOO???? SO WHAT CAN BE LEFT??? AREN’T WE ALL SCREAMING AD MOSAI WITH OUR WHOLE HEART & SOUL??? IS THE WORLD NOT SUFFERING ENOUGH??? WE ARE ALL READY, WANTING & DESERVING, & AS THE REBBE SAID WE NEED TO “LIVE WITH MOSHIACH” MEANING TO LIVE AS IF HE WERE HERE & THEN HE’L BE HERE!! WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? EACH OF US HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT. IF OUR BELIEF WAS STRONG THAT MOSHIACH CAN/WILL APPEAR ANY MOMENT, WOULD WE NOT WANT TO BE DRESSED THE WAY HE/ HASHEM WOULD WANT US TO?? PICTURE THE SCENE, HOW DO YOU WANT TO LOOK WHEN WE HAVE THE REBBE BACK, SMILING @ US THAT WE FINALLY MADE IT..then c.v’aholom the smile disappears as he notices unfortunately some of us forgot he’d be coming back any moment????
MAYBE THE SIGN SHOULD SAY, MOSHIACH IS COMING, ARE YOU DRESSED PROPERLY TO GREET HIM??? INSTEAD OF YECHI, OR MISHACHISTS, LET US BE “AKSHONISTS”, AKSHIN ZICH EIN THAT WE CAN & WILL BRING MOSHIACH HERE & NOW, AS THE REBBE DEMANDED, AND PROMISED THAT WE COULD & WILL!!!!
LET’S RISE ABOVE ALL THE NARISHKEITEN, ARGUING, DIFFERENT TEAMS..WE ALL WANT & NEED THE SAME THING AND WE ALL NEED TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO TIP THE SCALE FOR THE WHOLE WORLD!!!! IF IT MEANS LONGER SKIRTS, BETTER KASHRUS, REVIEWING HILCHOS SHABBOS,TAHARAS HAMISHPACHA, LEARN MORE CHASSIDUS, LEARN INYANEI GE’ULA, KOCH IN ASEI TOV AND B’MEILA THE SUR M’RA’A WILL SLIDE AWAY. IT’S HARD TO CHANGE DARKNESS WITH A BROOM, WE NEED TO BRING A SMALL LIGHT AND THAT WILL AUTOMATICALLY DO THE TRICK…SO DO YOUR PART TO BRING LIGHT…
IF WE ALL DRILL IN THESE MESSAGES IN A POSITIVE WAY, IT WILL BE OBVIOUS WHAT WE NEED TO DO, HOW WE NEED TO DRESS, SPEAK, BREATHE, THINK….MOSHIACH’DIK, AS IF HE’S HERE. AND THEN HE WILL APPEAR. HE PROMISED AND HE WILL DELIVER.
Tznius junky
anyone, anyone, can you please tell me were it says that a women has to dress Tznius??? i want a source and a list of rules that state what it means by Tznius. i have asked and so far none has shown me were it says what kind of clothing i should wear.
if you find it i will do it, really. why should you care? thats what i keep saying but you seem to say something else, so if you really care please shear… you will be surprised what you find.
hashem
the person that put up the sign dos int care how you dress its hashem that cares. so do it because hashem wants not because some one told you
LOL
omg! these comments r so boring! i got tons of those signs in my house! i thought u guys would post “haha good one!” or “ya you non-tznius sluts!” lmao you pple comment such wierd things!!
English
If you can’t spell or write a proper sentence than please don’t post! It’s embarrassing and it makes you sound ignorant!
Milhouse
I can’t believe what I’m reading here. What has Chabad come to, that people not only have a problem with an innocuous sign like this, but even imagine that it’s somehow against what Chabad stands for? Chabad is about uncompromising adherence to the Torah. And the Torah says, “For it is your life and the length of your days.” The Torah says, “I put before you life and death, good and bad; and you shall choose life so that you and your descendants will live.” The Torah says “See, I put before you today a blessing and a curse. The blessing is if you obey Hashem your God’s orders, which I command you today; and the curse is if you don’t listen to Hashem your God’s orders, and turn off the way.” The Torah says to do mitzvos “So that your days and your children’s days will increase.” The Torah says “If you go by my laws and keep my orders and do them, I will give you rain at the right time […] And if you despise my laws then” the opposite will happen. Read the tochachos and see what happens if we defy Hashem.
So yes, “long skirt, long life”, and the converse. This is yiddishkeit, and therefore this is Chabad, and anyone who has a problem with it should leave. Go eat treif, break Shabbos, be a goy; or accept what Hashem says.
I’m curious, can one of these people who say that tznius does not affect your life span please explain to me what they think about a kosher mezuzah? Do you accept that a kosher mezuzah protects you, and a possul one or not having one at all exposes you to accidents, illness, poverty, and other bad things? When something bad happens, don’t you check your mezuzos? Isn’t that what the Rebbe always said to do? So why do you think tznius is different?
How about tzedokoh? The gemoro is explicit: TZEDOKOH TATZIL MIMOVES. That means not giving tzedokoh does not save from death. Do you have a problem with that too?
What has Chabad come to, that this is even an issue?
Milhouse
#61, are you for real? Why don’t you go to Judaica World and buy one of the many books about tznius. Buy Kvuda Bas Melech, for instance. Or just ask a rov. Any rov: meshichist, not meshichist, pro-Chanina, anti-Chanina, Lubavitch, not Lubavitch, Ashkenazi, Sefardi, ask any rov in the world and you will hear almost exactly the same psak.
eyeball roll
This sign is factual and I can prove it: Goyim never outlive Jews.
That makes sense, right?!
A mezuzah doesn’t protect you. If it did, there would be no strife.
Giving tzedoka does not save you. If it did, there would be no death.
Tzedoka’s purpose is not for the individual who gives it but for others. To simply do it to extend your life is wrong.
To say these things 100% work is a strike against all the righteous people who lived by the word and suffered, that they must somehow have done something wrong to have earned unfortunate fates.
However, Hashem has a purpose and plan for every individual. No chamsa, no mezuzah, no bracha, no repetition of Tehillim, no c”v will change that.
What counts is on the inside. Your mezuza might be perfect but your soul is another story and only that will be your currency when you die.
Yosy A.
Post 60 – Are you on steroids or something? Refuah Sh’laima!
agree with #61
I too would like a specific sources from the Torah, not from books in Judaica stores that state the exact tznius guidelines. I doubt they exist because there could be as many interpretations as there are people when it comes to what being MODEST is all about. YES, you can be a modest person who happens to not cover elbows because modesty is more about your character, your conduct and your values MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. SOMEONE HERE WANTS TO ARGUE THAT SOMEONE WEARING A LONG SKIRT IS DESERVING OF A LONG LIFE MORE THAN THE ONE WHO HAS GOOD VALUES?????
Milhouse
#67, you are an kofer. Pure and simple. How can you deny what the Torah explicitly tells us? How can you contradict what the Rebbe told us so many times?
CHI, why do you post such open apikorsus?
Never Shame Another Jew
Tzinius is halacha. It is so important! That being said, it is even MORE important to not direct shame toward other Jews! There are many BT women and girls in Crown Heights who maybe haven’t taken tzinius upon themselves yet.
Shouldn’t we always give benefit of the doubt to every Jew and not pass judgment? Tzinius is important, but this sign isn’t kosher.
lightning
@71 even the baal teshuvah knows that hopefully one day she will drees tsnius, and she knows its the right thing to do, and she knows (even without the sticker and even if people dont tell her) that she needs to drees tsnius, if she goes lke that, then i guss the sticker dosent shame her.
and some =one who is not yet frum looks at it just like asking a person to put on teffilin and he – in the meanwhile – says no…
Milhouse
#69, where do you get Torah if not in bookstores? Go get Kvudah Bas Melech, or any number of other sforim on the laws of tznius, and learn the law. No, it is not possible to be a modest woman with exposed elbows. By definition exposed elbows on a woman is immodest, because the halocho says so. This is LAW, not suggestions!
Milhouse
#71, how does a sign shame anyone? Are we not supposed to teach people the right way, just because they might be ashamed that they’ve been doing it wrong till now?! Should we take down all posters against smoking because it shames smokers? How is this different?
to #74
It’s a law because says WHO? So it seems you completely ignores everything else about being a modest person, that’s more about your DEMEANOR and, sorry, not elbows. Personally, I know that my values and my character traits would be definitely classified as modest. I am honest, helpful, polite, don’t ever draw attention to myself with my looks and actions. And G-d forgive me if I don’t cover my elbows. Oh, wait, G-d didn’t say I have to…
eyeball roll
Milhouse,
Ascribing magical amulet properties to material items is wrong. I’d rather be a kofer to such ideas than practice something akin to witchcraft. My faith is in G-d and only G-d, not man, not material items.
You say “explicitly” and I say you’re taking the Torah way out of context to the point of superstition.
A mezuzah is only a reminder of of Hashem’s commandments, that those who dwell there are to and do abide by his word. Any beliefs about protection are man-made and show a lack of faith.
You might want to reexamine text and factual reality of the world.
For 61, there is no rule in the Torah about elbows and knees but in ancient times, men and women dressed similarly. Do a google search.
Anonymous
I would like an explanation why it seems that Chabad wants women to wear shaitels,not hats and teichels for women to cover their hair. It seems to me that shaitels have the opposite effect and attract more attention to the woman, especially the long,flowing ones.How is this better?
Richard Hode
Long skirt or long life? Is this a veiled threat?
awacs
“I would like an explanation why it seems that Chabad wants women to wear shaitels,not hats and teichels for women to cover their hair. It seems to me that shaitels have the opposite effect and attract more attention to the woman, especially the long,flowing ones.How is this better?”
The Rebbe had two reasons:
1) Hats, tichels, etc. almost never cover ALL of the hair, ALL of the time.
2) A woman in a hat/tichel/etc. would be tempted to take it off in, say, the presence of a important gov’t official (or if the DMV told her to). With a shaitel, that’s not likely to happen.
Milhouse
#79, so you’ve confirmed that you are a kofer. What are you doing on this site if you’re against one of the most fundamental and characteristic beliefs of Lubavitchers?
E P
@78 “so your days shall be filled and the days of your children״ did u ever say this in davening before?
awacs
Milhouse wrote:
“#79, so you’ve confirmed that you are a kofer. What are you doing on this site if you’re against one of the most fundamental and characteristic beliefs of Lubavitchers?”
Webby, this is another great reason to fix the comment system. When Milhouse wrote $79, he obviously had some other comment in mind than the one I wrote (I hope). I assume he was talking to eyeball roll.
Comments get added and deleted out of order, and, when people refer to them by number, it gets very confusing. That’s why I always quote.