In an open letter to the community titled “Re: various claims on the issue of the withdrawal of Mesira,” Yosef Katzman and Yanky Sufrin explain the various claims on the issue of the withdrawal of Mesira.
Op-Ed: The Issue of the Withdrawal of Mesira
In an open letter to the community titled “Re: various claims on the issue of the withdrawal of Mesira,” Yosef Katzman and Yanky Sufrin explain the various claims on the issue of the withdrawal of Mesira.
B”H
Sivan 28, 5770
To the Crown Heights Jewish community:
Re: various claims on the issue of the withdrawal of Mesira.
A ruling came out from Rav Rosenberg this past Wednesday, ordering all sides to sign a stipulation to withdraw the vicious Mesira that Messer’s Eli Poltorac, Fishel Brownstein, Chanina Sperlin & Zev Cadaner have entered in court last 6/8/09, against Rabbis Zirkind, Segal and Reitport and Rabbi Osdoba & his sons.
Mr. Poltorac seems to be claiming that this ruling vindicates him & his friends, and he is trying to push it further by stretching the words of Rabbi Rosenberg, as if it states that we are the ones who withheld the removal of Poltoreac’s Mesira till now. Poltorac is trying to turn the tables, to score some points for his election.
Before we start, we ask you to read Rabbi Rosenberg’s words as he wrote them (not as somebody interpreted them in English or any other language), then you will see how misleading the above claim is. Bear in mind that a psak is not written as a news article, it just addresses the issues and what needs to be done. Now that you read it, let us fill you in:
The psak came out on 4/13/10. A week later, on 4/21/10, Poltorac replied to an email from Rabbi Rosenberg, which came as a result of our gentle reminder to Rabbi Rosenberg that he should make sure that the rulings of his Psak are complied with, by writing:
“Regarding withdrawing from court, this is my field, so I can answer now: there are two options, either you adopt the psak as the ruling of the court (and for this we must translate the psak), or we close the file with the agreement of both sides, without any connection to the psak, then we can return to court within a year from the date of the Psak and open another case for the purpose of entering the psak to the court. We are ready for both options, (we’ll comply with) whatever the other side decides.”
Do I need to elaborate? OK, we immediately responded that we opt for the first option. This way the case is closed and ruled upon forever.
We innocently believed that Mr. Poltorac is sincere, so we waited for the translation to come, and that’s why the other option was never entertained. Our intention was only to close this case as closed as can be, forever, and that we should never ever have to return to court for anything.
Instead, a long two months went by, and the translation never came, until the election heated up and Poltorac saw the writing on the wall, so he changed his mind to demand that we follow the second option, and only on this past Monday 6/7/10, Poltorac demanded from Rabbi Rosenberg that he force us to comply with his, Poltorac’s new demand that we sign on to the second option. Here is what he wrote:
“4. We still await a reply to our urgent request regarding a p’sak that we’re not mossrim or mesarvim. Most of the questions to us last night were about these allegations. Katzman is spreading his lies and some naïve people believe him.”
To which Rabbi Rosenberg responded on Monday:
“with regard to your last request, it is still in middle of deliberations amongst the Dayanim, via email”
So on this past Monday, the issue was still under review by the Beis Din, without them having made any decision which way to go.
Then finally on Wednesday Rabbi Rosenberg gave his final decision:
“I’m ordering the parties to do it the way it was initially intended, and Rabbi Ozdova Shlita’s party shall see that their attorney shall co-sign the attached stipulation to withdraw, so it can be filed in court without delay.”
And so it was done on Wednesday, that within 20 minutes of Rabbi Rosenberg’s instruction, we signed the stipulation Poltorac’s way. In spite of Poltorac’s reversal of his original suggestion to do it the right way, by translating the Psak, entering it into court, and closing the case forever.
So for anyone to come off ranting that we withheld signing anything against the ruling of the Beis Din, is outrageous and preposterous, there is nothing further from the truth. We were never ordered to sign one way or the other by anyone, not by the Beis Din and not even by Poltorac who wrote clearly that he will accept whatever option we choose, and then when he reneged on that statement, Rabbi Rosenberg had to rule.
And we immediately complied within 20 minutes.
But remember, the case is not yet closed and sealed. We will still have to return to court to enter the psak for court certification, so that nobody can ever bring these issues up in court again. Do you know what mood Poltorac will be in then?
Respectfully,
Yosef Katzman
Yanky Sufrin
POLTRACK
yes this poltrack is a big liar. if he gets in to office again, we will be back at square one. and all the mnoney that was spent on the din torah will go to the garbage. SO ON SUNDAY GO VOTE FOR A NEW VAAD.
concerned and angry.
What do you mean you innocently believed that Poltorac was sincere? You were indeed naive. How can you justify trusting a Mosser? And a siver tounged one at that.
Now that this thing is hopefully behind us I believe that Sholom Mordechai will be victorious. Or am I being naive?
Mental
Wow. Katzman has no shame. I hope Rosenberg excommunicates him.
MaDDinBklyn
poltrac is a moisser shebemosser along with huebner and spritzer and their clowns, AND mr poltrac your naive to believe that a rabbi will rule that your not a moisser, mosser!
Vote a big NO! to messira and moisrem on sunday.
concerned
oy! i feel really sorry that your under poltoracs vicious mislead but i feel even worse for him! where did he learn to be such a vicious and merciless person??!! he’ll have to pay for it in the end.
hashem yishmor, i hope i never go through what you’re going through and i hope that ch”v i’ll never have a yetzer Hara to act the way poltrak does!
n’eNow!!
Wil
The only way to get out of this big mess is to vote in Yossi hackner with the most votes.
Inda Know
Y.K. & Y.S., Yea doth protest too much, methinks.
DISCUSTED BY OUR VAAD
ONE CAN SEE THE ADVANTAGE OF HAVING A SKILLFUL LAWYER ON ONE’S TEAM; HE IS ABLE TO MANIPULATE TRUTH…AND COMPLICATE THE ISSUES SO MUCH THAT WRONG BECOMES RIGHT MISERA BECOMES DUTY…ITS NASEATING
Daniel Botnick
Such crazy gibberish. Perfect demonstration of the uselessness and futility of these elections. Such hateful words from Rabbi Katzman and Sufrin. These are Chassidim? Pathetic!
N.W
Let’s get Hakner in there.
grateful
Thank you for clarifying this matter. Poltrak, you mosser, may Hashem repay you Ayin Tachas Aiyin vshain tachas shain.
antimesira
“Katzman is spreading his lies and some naive people believe him.”
Yes, we stupid people, all of us, we can’t think for ourself,
We need Poltrock to tell us what to think.
moishe
Woww
Thank you Rabbi katzman and by the way did you see the new black hat?
hoping for peace.
ITS very sad that as we make new elections, to try starting a new era, of peace and harmony, in our community.
Yet again the old politics have to come, and try to taint our hope.
But i pray , that we don’t give up, on-till we achieve our goals.
residnet whos voting for new guys
Daniel Botnick wake up and smell the coffie
keep it up
keep it up Katzman dont let plotrac fool u. hes very hated. your doing the rite think. just vote new guys. current want fights. thats it
Enough is Enough
NEW VAAD.
Shea hecht
Aaron Vogal
zaki Tamir
Yossi hackner
and anyone new face who cares more about the community
Poltrak YOU WILL BURN
and may it be in a slow and painful way!!!!
maybe then you’l know what your own medicine taste like!!!!!!!!
Noltorak!
Poltorak was also involved in the “Shmira Messira”. He must be disqualified.
Leah
Can women vote in the elections? Why are there no women candidates?
change NOW!
I don’t understand any of it, but I do know this: if Poltorak & his lowlife friends came in dripping wet & said it was raining, I would go outside to check. They can’t be trusted. All they want is POWER, not to help over 2,000 families here in this physical dump. Where are OUR programs? Where’s any money they supposed to have gotten? Do you see any changes?
IF any money was obtained for the Schechunah, show us whose pockets it went into! It probably went for legal fess as well. I know this: we have no Achdus & therefore no success.
WE MUST VOTE IN NEW BLOOD…hopefully, they won’t be corrupt or useless. We know that the current bunch of crazies are corrupt &/or useless, so let’s use this opportunity as a stepping stone to better times.
to daniel botmick:
the truth may be very painful to some, but check if its true. not through asking biased people but through seeing the history of CH. the truth is so clear. All you have to do is learn a little bit, even from the rebbes sichos you see the rebbe saying that you must respect rabbonim. Its not printed in the sichos but there was once a mossur in CH and the rebbe said something very sharp about him. What about jewish youth that were involved in communism? the Frierdikke Rebbe called them ‘vildeh yingelach’. sometimes sharpness or truth (what you call hate) needs to be spread. its really difficult for me to see others swallowing the great misinformation that these mossrim are giving off, so blindly.
P.S. check how much hate the other side were and are spreading!what about shpeilmans halbonas ponim of shea hecht?
Selective outrage
Daniel,
I have respect for you and I know you are a good person.
But since when is defending oneself from manipulation and lies considered hateful words. Would you prefer the peaceful words of him bending over and acquiescing to lies? And what of Poltorak’s hate?
Or do you have a dog in this show?
yankel der shvitzer
poltrack
the same guy who got up in 770 when horav segal got an aliyah on roish hashanah and distubed kriyas hatorah for thousands of people there.
for that alone he doesnt deserve our support
Fellow young people
The older generation seems messed up and hopeless. Let’s start a new fresh one. We will learn from their mistakes.
happy
anyone with gabage in their past like mosser being in jail always mixed with machlokis ect. should not be running period.
poltrack and chadida out!
I never voted in crown heights elections because i knew that all of them are sick people.
this time its different, we MUST get chanina and poltrack out of the vaad NOW
Chanina, Poltrack and the rest of their thuggish gang needs to be thrown out to the wolfs asap.
they are destroying the community.
how can a ambulance chaser shame of a lawyer claim that he is for achduh when its his job to masser of people with his shame of a law firm? is like the head of mitzva tznius owning a p@#n shop!
poltrack, kadaner, chadida and brownstein its time for you to retire and hopefully together with Spilman get the H$%l out of here. You can run for vaad in Iraq or Iran
PLEASE VOTE TO GET OUT THESE CHICAGO GANG THUGS OUT OF THE VAAD! ITS IN OUR HANDS NOW, PLEASE VOTE THESE THUGS OUT ON SUNDAY AND WE WILL SAVE CROWN HEIGHTS !!!
D botnick
One good thing already happened Eli poltarek bought some normal looking clothes
Maybe Shea will get rid of his red yarmulka
vote CHANGE!!
To #27
Somewhat illiterate, but your points are 100% accurate. Despite your Oholei Torah Yinglish, I hope the sheeples in Crown Heights understand your post & vote TO GET RID OF THE CURRENT CORRUPT REGIME & THEIR PALS.
Don’t vote in the old guard. We need new, honest, & PROVEN leadership & menschlechkeit, not Mosrim.
Remember…Spielman was a big problem 20 years ago. He hasn’t changed, he’s just 20 years older.
agreed
# 24
Absolutely right!! What a shanda!
Marcus
Vote for Zaki!!!!!!
C.H
To: Daniel Botnick,
Its sad but you are a angry old man.
Get over it, there is a new generation of young people who are sick and tiered of your Machlokes.
Daniel Botnick
To “Selective outrage,”
Not only have I no “dog in this show,” but I have even less to do with this farce than the self-appointed clowns (like Katzman) on EACH side. I am disgusted that the community had to go to Monsey to find someone to straighten out our problems. The correct procedure would have been to use the funds being wasted on attorneys and outside rabbonim to hire a real legal team (not the JCRC) to straighten out our defective bylaws, then select new new netzigim and conduct legitimate elections.
As for the name-calling, NOBODY mouthing off has totally clean hands.
the truth
Botnick is a hack, and always was a hack, he was fired from the council for doing nothing o a daily basis, at a salary of $100,000 plus benefits, he is also the main macher is Y. Best’s
foeney Machloikes basement Shul, after he was thrown out of Beth Rifkah Shul.
cr resident
does it not say vlmalshinin ain tikva?
is n’t there something about getting rid of a mosser and “kol akodem zoche?