and it's dirtier then ever.
Dissenting camps within Chabad voiced mutual accusations a day after a huge Sunday night rally, entitled “Reception of the righteous messiah” drew 10,000 to Tel Aviv's Nokia Arena.
“There was an amazing turnout,” said Yoni Kahana, one of the organizers of the evening. “Everyone came away with renewed faith in the imminent coming of the rebbe, our messiah. He may not have come on Sunday night. But he will truly be revealed any second.”
However, leading Chabad figures, among them Menahem Brod, the group's official spokesman, claimed the rally and its organizers were unauthorized.
Rebbe’s birthday highlights divisions in Chabad
and it’s dirtier then ever.
Dissenting camps within Chabad voiced mutual accusations a day after a huge Sunday night rally, entitled “Reception of the righteous messiah” drew 10,000 to Tel Aviv’s Nokia Arena.
“There was an amazing turnout,” said Yoni Kahana, one of the organizers of the evening. “Everyone came away with renewed faith in the imminent coming of the rebbe, our messiah. He may not have come on Sunday night. But he will truly be revealed any second.”
However, leading Chabad figures, among them Menahem Brod, the group’s official spokesman, claimed the rally and its organizers were unauthorized.
“They are perpetrators of deception and fraud,” said Brod. “They have no permission to use Chabad’s name in connection with their activities.”
The event was organized by the messianic elements within Chabad. Participants prayed for the quick revealing of Rabbi Menahem Mendel Schneerson as messiah and a celebrated his 104th birthday. Schneerson died in June 1994.
Advertisements for the celebration, which including performances by leading haredi pop stars, such as Ya’acov Shwaki, Perchai Miami and Sephardi singer Yechiel Nahari, called it a “reception for the messiah” and were dominated by pictures of a smiling Schneerson.
Both messianic Chabad hassidim and their less messianic mainstream brethren believe that Schneerson’s birthday, 11 Nissan, is a special day. But the two camps have different takes on the meaning of the day.
For instance, Chaim Galinsky, who writes for a mainstream Chabad news magazine, said it is a day to accept resolutions to do good.
“When you accept upon yourself an additional good deed, it has more import,” Galinsky said. “The rebbe is the supreme spiritual leader of this generation. I am not saying he is alive, but his soul, which came down into this world on the 11th of Nissan, was a special soul. It lent to this day special powers . So this is a propitious day to increase Chabad’s activities.”
However, more messianic Chabad hassidim like Rabbi Zalman Notik, a spiritual director at Torat Emet Yeshiva in Jerusalem, talked openly of Schneerson as the messiah.
“The messiah may come from either the living or the dead,” he said. “We believe the rebbe is still with us and is waiting to be revealed. Every mitzva that a Jew does brings us all a little closer to redemption.
”And the most important mitzva is to publicize the idea that the rebbe is messiah. Intensifying the expectation of the messiah’s coming hastens the actual coming. There is no better day to do this than on the 11th of Nissan.“
Brod said his main objection to the concert was not the messianic message rather the lax religious environment.
”The messianic Chabad hassidim used the evening to demonstrate their strength,“ he said. ”But many of the people who came were just a bunch of young hooligans. There is no real education value to the evening, its just a collection of pop singers.”
Despite Brod’s accusations, organizers were careful to separate men and women and several rabbis, such as Yosef Pizam of Haifa, Yosef Yitzhak Vilshansky of Safed, Gedalia Axelrod and Ya’acov Yosef, son of Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, gave short speeches.
Eli
Once again Menachem Brod has shown he is jelous of Meshichistim. while Meshichistim organize huge rallys for Shleimus Haaretz of over 10,000 people , Antis can only bring afew hundred for their events (3 Tammuz).
The sad truth is about them , they recieved money to keep quiet during the Disengagement .
they made a Chillul Hashem by openly voting for people which go againts Torah.
Beezras Hashem Moshiach will be revealed very soon and we wont suffer anymore.
mom in CH
Why would you call this "dirty laundry" benyamin?
I was a bit taken aback!
Anonymous
First, I didn’t write it, look at who’s the author.
Second, what would you call this? A difference of opinion?
concerned
i’m just sad that theres so many disputes all the time, over such a trivial matter. we should all be working towards the same goal, namely, bringing moshiach, in whatever way possible, and the fights over "mishichist/ anti" are just getting in the way of that goal. may moshiach come right now!!!!
Mendy
These twerps are desperate for recognition, for legitimacy and for validation. They don’t believe a word of what they preach. They only try to convince themselves and others–that they do believe when they don’t, and this they do by lying and misprepresenting themselves and their events so as to get mainstream rabbis and singers to come and speak or sing at their events, so that they can say, "See? Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu’s son came! See? Yaakov Shwekey came! See? See? They endorse us and our beliefs! We’re normal! We’re mainstream! Otherwise, why would they come?
Um, the reason they came, you twerps, is because you LIED and told them it’s a concert, a Torah rally or whatever lie you told them so that they thought it was something other than it actually was. It’s that simple.
I’m sure the Rebbe is very proud of your lies.
moshe
if shwekey and miami were not there, would they get more than 200 people to show up?
dids
the ‘claims’ that bod has against the evening only prove that he has no legitimate problem against the meshichistim. that there was no educational part?!?!? what is he talking about? the entire evening was based around bringing people closer to teh Rebbe WITHOUT ANY LIMITATIONS. we may not all agree about their derech etc, but at least they are doing SOMETHING. this is unlike our high-ranking chabadnikim.
boruch hashem in Israel at least, the mishichistim have a majority. the regular israeli associates chabad with rebbe and moshich NOT WITH POLOTICS AND "DIRTY LAUNDRY" as is the case in some parts of the world…
VEOD VEHU HOIKAR: we should see Moshiach NOW!
peace-lover
mr. mendy is totally uninformed. the singers know exactly to where they are coming to perform. so it has been in the past, and they did it thsi year again. every singer is even suggested to writ to the rebbe before they come and to visit 770 as well. they are evn asked to sing yechi.
why do you say things when you are ignorant?! dont bash until you have your information straight.
the reason they have the singers there is to attract the regular charedi, non lubavitcher so that eh may hear words of chizuk about the rebbe etc.
Here in CH
Mendy – 2 thumbs up. I couldn’t agree more. What an embarrassment to Lubavitch!
To Eli
To Eli,
It so happens that at the time of the disengagment, the official Chabad org in Israel brought hundreds of thousands (!!) to the Kosel to pray for the decree to be nullified.
It’s ironic that a matter so close to the Rebbe’s heart, such as shleimus haaretz should be the cause of chutzpa, not following rabonim, and sinas yisroel.
L. COHEN
YASHER KOACH TO THE ORGANIZERS OF THIS EVENT
SHMUEL
TO MOSHE:
IF ALL THOSE SHLUCHIM DIDNT HAVE FOOD BY THEIR EVENTS WOULD THEY GET MORE THAN ONE PERSON TO SHOW UP??
Clarification
How true the Meshechistim were once again matzliach to organize a tremendous Yud Aleph Nissan event. Since when dioes Menachem Brod have the authrity to say who can make a function or not. hje is saying that to the media because HE feels embarrased . Sorry Menachem brod and your followers. the Meshechistim will not go away. They are the ones who are holding to the "klemka". You don’t have to agree with everything they do but they are EMES and not hateful.
Wishing everyone a Kosher and Freilechen Pesach.
ps everyone knows that Brod and co. did nothing about the digengagenmentas they were afraid they would loose money from the Medinah
Anti Crise, Anti Mishichist- Pro Chabad
what diffrents does in make if they had 10,000 or 100,000 that doesn’t make them right,
I.e. we are not Chassidim of Chassidim, We are Chassidim Of the Lubavitcher Rebbe Zt"l (and they are Chassidim of some MH"M), so even if they have 99% percent of the world, they are still not one precent of Chabad.
they have nothing to do with Chabad!.
kreplach
Whoever asked if they would have had more than 200 people if not for the singers. Well I was in florida for channuka and on two different occasions I visited a chabbad house and mishichist house in the same area at different times and on both occasions the chabad houses had around 30 people and the mishachistim had over 200. And not to get you wrong I don’t agree with the way they do everything but there must be something that they are doing right.
Anti Crise, Anti Mishichist- Pro Chabad
It seems That maybe if I go to boro-park or Binay-Brak And I will see how many people show up to the Sheurim/or any event in that case, and see how many people show up there, is that the way to find out Emes?
Teten Emes l’Yakoov (remember That one, from Tanya).
What I wrote above…
"What differents does in make if they had 10,000 or 100,000 that doesn’t make them right,
I.e. we are not Chassidim of Chassidim, We are Chassidim Of the Lubavitcher Rebbe Zt"l (and they are Chassidim of some MH"M), so even if they have 99% percent of the world, they are still not one precent of Chabad.
They have nothing to do with Chabad!."
If you are going to pick a Rebbe By how many Chassidim He has, I will ask you…
When was the last time (or first) that you went to a Tishe, I am sure you will be over-whelmed, will you go to that Chassidis b/c of how many people were there, will you go join Satmer b/c they have more members.
Chabad is not a club!
Will you become a Mishichist or a chossid of the lubavitcher Rebbe all Depending on how many people show up in Bais Rivka or the other Gathering?
I sure hope not, and if that is your way, then go Join The club… (not Chabad).
[I don’t remember the Rebbe Ever making a show of hands about how many people agree with what he is doing.]
Point made!
Shocked
Whether or not the mishichistim were valid in doing what they did, it was an even BIGGER chillul Lubavitch to badmouth them like that. Please, some TACT! Say, "we don’t agree with everything they say, but it’s good that so many people thought about the Rebbe this Yud Alef Nisan" and YELL IN PRIVATE!
What kind of nachas is it to the Rebbe when we tell the media how much we hate other Yidden?!?
Stop Counting
And there was thick darkness… for three days, etc..
Thick darkness in which they did not see each other for those three days, and another three days of darkness twice as dark as this, so that no one rose from his place. If he was sitting, he was unable to stand, and if he was standing, he was unable to sit. Now why did He bring darkness upon them [the Egyptians]?
Because there were among the Israelites in that generation wicked people who did not want to leave [Egypt].
They died during the three days of darkness, so that the Egyptians would not see their downfall and say, “They too are being smitten like us….etc”
after When Beni-Yisrael Left Mitzrayim it says…
"18. So Hashem led the people around [by] way of the desert [to] the Red Sea, and the children of Israel were armed when they went up out of Egypt".
Rashi gives two explanation on the word Aremed (ChaMuSem), one of them is…
“divided by five,” [meaning] that one out of five (çÄîÄÉùÈä) [Israelites] went out, and four fifths [lit., parts of the people] died during the three days of darkness (for they were wicket and did not want to leave).
That means 240.000 people did not want to leave, should not Moshe tell Hashem, listen they don’t want to leave. look how many Jews want to go and look how many want to stay. The ones that want to stay are a Majority, lest stay (there having a good time).
As we see that did not go well with G-d.
This is not a numbers game.
Mendy
to peace-lover:
They are not encouraged to visit 770, say yechi, write to the Rebbe or any of that. I’d even bet that Yaakov Shwkey and the other singers doen’t get todl that it’s a Lubavitch event!! YOU don’t know what a bunch of liars you’re dealing with here. I do. I know them in Crown Heights. I used to hang out with them.. they want to make it seem like the frum world agrees with mishichism, which it does not.
to: To Eli wrote:
yes they did bring a crowd to the kotel. but that was after the deal was signed and sealed, and almost delivered. with that kind of power they could have stopped the disengagement had they acted earlier.
peace-lover
to mendy:
again, im not asking you to"bet that shwekky and other singers were not told its a lubavitcher event" and to tell me that they "probably dont tell them to sing yechi etc".
I KNOW FOR A FACT OTHERWISE. and if you are just going to keep on guessing things you will claim soon they bow down to idols (chas vechalila).
Everytime you are about to curse other Jews, just put the Rebb’s image in your mind (seeing that Hashem is not good enough for you) and you may hold yourself back.
Faslse Meschistim
Firstly, let’s not mix up Yechi’niks with meschistim. Quite on the contrary, yechio is active distruction of the whole and holy subject of Moshiach. It is unfortunate and irresponsible to call people (albeit some naively) who border and toy with Apikorsis to be called a holy name associated with Moshiach. So, Yechi hsa nothing to do with Moshiach, The Rebbe, Chassidus and even Yiddishkeit. It is some senseless sensationalism that some brainless and otherwise deceiving individuals proclaim to further a power platform i.e. z Notik saying And the most important mitzva is to publicize the idea that the rebbe is messiah. Could someone pray tell me what MITVAH in Sefer Hamitzvos, or anywhere else, this is referring to. Yitamu Chatoim Vetoim velo Chotim…..
Itzik_s
1) As someone who has connections in Jewish music, I can tell you that Shwekey and Begun perform wherever they can, whenever they can. I am sure they knew the nature of the performance, and they had no objection since – as Lipa (another one who has performed for Mateh Moshiach and who does not pretend to be in it for anything but the money) says – it’s all about GELT!
2) These are not boreinuniks or glassy eyed flag wavers (even if some flags were present). These are the Rebbe’s shluchim. I don’t necessarily identify with this group myself but I have met many of them on my frequent visits to EY and they strike me as hard working shluchim who are out there to bring Moshiach just as we all should be.
3) There is an inyan of beofen hamiskabel. By and large, Mateh Moshiach is within, albeit sometimes bending the definition of, beofen hamiskabel. Again, these are not our NaNachs a/k/a Boreinushiggeners – this is not Zick, or Baranes, or Ariel Sokolovsky, or the head case over in Milwaukee.
So, there is no reason to criticize this rally – Menachem Brod was acting in his capacity as a PR spokesman for his audiences (and this type of rally is not beofen hamiskabel for the people whom he appeals to and deals with), but for the rest of us, we should be proud that on 11 Nisan such a huge event was held. Even if had I been there I may well not have gone :).
a saddened observer
This is all very dumb and meaningless to fight over. A persons belief cannot be changed no matter how much one may argue with him. Its very sad that the crown heights community should be split over such an issue. Let one person believe in whatever he may want and another in what he wants. This issue brings about such hatred and anger and division. Its really not worth the fight.
Menachem Mendel
"Once more our dirty laundry goes out to the public,
and it’s dirtier then ever…."
Unfortunately, I have sadly seen articles that were much worse than the above….
Wost thing about it is the fact that who makes th chillul Luabvitch in article — not the messiansits, rather the mainsteam Chabad spokesman.
To Mr. "Anti… pro Chabad",
You seem pro $$$ & PR, not pro Chabad or Rebbe. Who gives you th right to delete the MH"M acronym from the Rebbes. If you don’t agree with publicizing it as much f Chabad doesn’t, that would be perfectly fine. You, however decided that they worship a different Rebbe. Your Rebbe is ZT"L, nothing more. He just was once upon a time, then as you seem to suggest died and will return like any other gut yid aftere the ressurection. Keep that Rebbe for yourself (and whatever background you ome from, you certainly don’t sound like proud gehz, neithe like a true bt, I would bet you are a tzugekumener trying to spread your foreign mishegasen to Chabad circles, budy- it ain’t gonna work). S far as we are concerned the Rebbe, is till a valid candidate for MH"M, so if you have the audacity to remove that title from our dear Rebbe, then shame on you. Perhaps you belong atb those tishen for your treaseny. STOP your senceless and baseless SINAS CHINOM!!! ALL of your acusations were totaly wrong and BLATANTLY BIASED.
It’s about time that people stop splitting our community further and further.
ANTI mishichist Anti Crise- Pro CHABAD
Dear Menachem Mendel:
Hi, It’s Me, Anti
Take it easy, I’m just a person behind a computer screen, I have the right to my opinion.
I will not defend myself, for I have no reason to (you put words in to my mouth/post).
You got very personal or better yet very hatful.
You did not answer on anything I wrote, you just went on a rampage.
You went on ramping about something that was not my point.
If you do want an answer, you can go to the post about Aguch/Rebbe winning back 770, I had and have a lot to say about that (Archives – Old News).
I will just say this,
If g-d forbid you or your father, brother, sister anybody you love, are in any danger [or need any help] (getting mugged in the street of maybe getting a beating from your good friends in 770) just hope and pray that I -or someone like me-(like you called me) is "Tzuge-kumener" to help you.
B/c if I will not stand around and watch (and then come on line to talk about Achdush-and we should all get along etc…) I will do all in my power to help you, I will take a bullet for you.
WHAT WILL YOU DO?
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?
[one more thing, you wrote)
"ALL of your acusations were totaly wrong and BLATANTLY BIASED".
I don’t owe anybody anything, I don’t work for any party. I know to call a spade a spade, I have nothing besides to protect the respect of who I am as a Chossid of the Lubavicher Rebbe. I will not stand around (or sit) like 99.99% precent of Chabad watching people stick my Rebbes face in the garbage (and worse), and that one Precent that does say something should be respected.
I don’t take back anything I wrote, I have more comeing.
Have a happy, koser pasach.
And you will always be welcomes as a "tzugekumener"
to Chabad.
Anti....
one more thing Menachem
G-d should help you that you should be "BLATANTLY BIASED" to do the right thing.
"BLATANTLY BIASED" to protect your Identety as a Chossid.
"BLATANTLY BIASED" for the Lubavitcer Rebbe.
Gut Yom Tov.
Next year in Yerushalyaim
With Moshiach and the Rebbe and every single Yid that has past on to the next world.
we want moshiach now
dont be a crazy mishichist
dont be a crazy anti
but dont let our children see you hate others bec you are not thier kind
just let moshiach come with out fighting
who ever he is just let him come
Dearest Anti....
I am not the one who wrote to you before, but you sound like you copied your words straight from the great Yisroel Shemtov (i DO respect him for his public advocacy), but WHO is the one that is being predigious here, right away, YOU are the one assuming that Mr’ X who commented (and I who share his views) would not be Moiser Nefesh for another Yid, Who are YOU to say that? shows that you learnt Tanya very well-stop mixing matters which are at the core-of the soul with these mishigasen, YOU are getting personal here, Shame on YOU.
Now Re. the issues at hand, you say to check your posts in the archives, but i argued with you there too, and you never addressed the real issues, you just kept on saying: "show me proof, show me proof", you cant hold a civil conversation like that.
Once again, i stick to my point, go LEARN and then talk, LEARN the Rebbes sichos, Learn that the Rebbe never refered (B’dibur) to the Frierdiker Rebbe with the title ZT’L, and that in Tuf Shin Yud -Yud Alef the Rebbe praised Chassidim who used the aftertitle of ‘Zol gezunt zein’ on the Previous rebbe, and that the rebbe used the term Shlit’a and that from many of the Rebbes sichos it is implied that a nossi must be alive in a GUF, and that learning the Rebbes sichos , it is IMPOSSIBLE to conclude that that Rebbe is not Moshiach……
Listen sir, i can go on and on, and for all i know your that Farbissene anti standing right next to me in 770 (actually your’ probably to farbittert to daven in 770, you probably daven in the famous terrorist hideout=the confrence room) , and you only have the Chutzpah to say these things on the internet, be it as it may be,YOU have a dead Rebbe while most lubavitchers dont, but you DO share a syndrome which most of these anti’s express in which you always equate Mishichistim and Tzfatim (I know, it’s part of the PR scheme), but fail to understand that the Tzfatim are a crazy tiny loud minority, while the Mishichistim are a MAJORITY, but anyways your’ doin’ a good job in equating the two, just ignore the facts, and yes, Mishichistim DO go to the Ohel, so try again, and for every Mashpia in Lubavitch which is Anti, i will find you Mishichist (more Mishichist), [for a good example take the two R’Yisroel’s-friedman/Labkowsky=OT/ULY)], i think i’ll chose to listen to the Mashpiim rather then YOU.
Thank you webby, for keeping us up to date with the ‘dirty laundry’-you do a good job at that!
Bring MOSHIACH now!
Extrem Anti Mishichist- Pro Chabad
to the above…
Are You talking to me?
What are you rambling about?
Putting words in my mouth, I guess you are used to such things?