Is a Mosser's Matzos Kosher? Well, technically they probably are, but would you want to use Matzos at your Sader that were made by a person who attempted to have six Jews imprisoned through an elaborate and vicious Messira?
If a Mosser Bakes Matzos, Are They Kosher?
Is a Mosser’s Matzos Kosher? Well, technically they probably are, but would you want to use Matzos at your Sader that were made by a person who attempted to have six Jews imprisoned through an elaborate and vicious Messira?
Elkon Moshe Gurfinkel sat in the witness chair of the courtroom on 320 Jay Street in downtown Brooklyn for three days, and testified against the Shomrim Six, attempting to have them imprisoned for up to fifteen years.
CrownHeights.info obtained the following video of Gurfinkel hard at work in the Kfar Chabad Matzah Bakery. We immediately reached out to the operators of the bakery, who responded that they did not care. We also tried reaching out to the Rov of Kfar Chabad who gives his hechsher on the Matzos, but we could not get through and our messages were not returned.
So, in your opinion, how kosher are the Matzos from the Kfar Chabad bakery?
antimesira
Sad to say, most people [generally] don’t care about anything until it personally effects them.
obviously not
but the q is was this a one day job or was he working for them for the season, if its for the season then the public should be made aware of this and we should boycott KC matzah until he is fired, if its only for one day i dont think we have what to worry about
mosser mosser
I bet if you walked into that bakery and just randomly shouted out “Mosser Mosser”, this Gurfinkel would automatically turn around and most probably hide.
Just like if you walk into 770 and yell “Mossrim Mossrim” all the Meshichistim present will get offended and most probably you will get attacked by some Meshichist tzfatis.
it must really suck to be a mosser your whole life, thats a very heavy load to carry.
enough
we need a box on kingston ave with the pictures of all these mosrim enough is enough they should be ashamed to walk the streets of crown heights. they are not from here and sont belong here
Should Care about Mesira!
“We immediately reached out to the operators of the bakery, who responded that they did not care.”
What, they don’t care about mesira?
ummmm, there is a remedy for that.
Mossrim not Jewish
YM”S
Had this Gurfinkel and fellow mossrim been in Egypt he/they would not have left with the rest of the Jewish nation.
100% kosher
Completly kosher. The rav hamachshir makes the call not a blog.
Milhouse
Why should the bakery care? Why should the rov? You admit that “technically” the matzos are kosher; what else is there? You don’t like them, don’t buy them. There are plenty of other bakeries. But it’s not the bakery’s job, or the rov’s, to worry about what aveiros their workers got up to before they were hired. He’s no worse than a yid who ate treif or did giluy arayos, or something like that.
They should just be careful around him, because who knows whom he might take it into his head to masser next. Maybe he’ll go to the Israeli police with some story about the bakery or about the rov, and get them in trouble. Maybe he’ll say that the rov said something bad about Arabs.
anonim
The people who run the matza bakery are honorable Chassidim who really would want nothing to do with this moiser BUT – they have to worry about making matza first. It is just too close to Pesach for them to fire anyone and all they should really care about this late in the game is filling orders properly. Rav Ashkenazi can’t possel matzos based on that either because the menuval is still a kosher Jew – he was never brought to beis din and charged with mesira.
Suggestion: Contact the bakery after Pesach to make sure he is not hired next year. Had you had information about him working there earlier, they may have reacted differently.
no way
wow we care so much about pescha i would never eat from there
really!!!!
pesach the yom tov of freedom eating from there not a option
gan
im not so sure its good kashrus bc you can see dough just siting there and not getting moved around thus giving it a biggur chancr of rising in the 18 minutes
very surprising
Well a mosser is a terrible avarah even if u may say he has a point and was hurt you still can not allow a yid to go to jail. I really do ask why a rov will ignore such a terrible thing. I fell very sad how people regard this as political when its so not. Here we have someone who was happy to see a fellow did sit for 15 years
moiser matzas dont taste kosher to me
listen can a guy who molested his daughters daven in shuls in florida
the sad thing is no one stands up for whats right anymore
i called kfar chabad bakery and asked them and when they said they didnt care i told them that i care and wont be buying there moiser matzas again
yitzi tennenbaum
you should support the shchuna, kan tziva!
elisha
ganva al pum machtartah rachmana karyah which means you can be the worst jew and have complete emunah in hashem and therefore nothing to worry about when it comes to making bread of faith
faith is for everyone
p.s may his faith influence his actions
Who would care?!
Can a “Frum Yid” who cheats on his wife be counted for a Minyan? Perhaps.. but I would not daven with such a person. And I will not eat Kfar Chabad matzah.
GO SHOMRIM 6!!
You think ANY matza bakery is really Kosher??? But I def agree I wouldn’t buy Mosrim Matza. The sad thing is, most people really don’t care. if it’s cheaper/thinner/fresher/more convenient they’ll buy it & look the other way. we’re a community with no value system.
at the Seder the Rebbe speaks about the 5th son…the one who doesn’t even know it’s Pesach. Well, we have people here who are 5th sons, people who don’t know what’s going on. Then when they do they don’t care. Tragic. How did we get so beaten?
Burden of Proof
“Rav Ashkenazi can’t possel matzos based on that either because the menuval is still a kosher Jew – he was never brought to beis din and charged with mesira.”
A person(s) who did not go to a Beis Din to get permission to have (initially) seven Jews arrested and then in the course of two years until trial still did not go to a Rov, and then actually falsely testifies in a court of law against Jews, is in FACT a Mosser.
The burden of proof falls on the Mosser (that he got permission), not on the victim of the Mesira.
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In any case the Mosser’s whole essence is Chometz.
QUESTIONABLE
a.i am not sure his mother is Jewish.
b.he is currently a mossier. he is in secular court suing jewish people for his blood libel.
c.he is worst than a regular mossier he did cause an arrest of Jewish people more than 3 times .
all matzoh that was touched by this MOSSER are
CHOMETZ GOMUR.
Chacomim Hizoharu Bidvoreichem
Why do you seek to promote machloykess with this ‘news’ item? How do you allow these horrible, shameful comments to be posted on your ‘Lubavitch’ site? “I am not sure his mother is Jewish” (#20)- such loshon horeh and/or moytzee shaym rah IS acceptable to you more than mesireh?? Can’t you at least screen your comments so that such hatred and mental-garbage is filtered out? Do you not think that these ‘news’ items and subsequent comments cause an incredible chillul Hashem and chillul Lubavitch??
Yehuda
SHTARK ! HAZAK!
TAKE HIM TO BES DIN
some one should take this guy to bes din
huge loshen hara
agreed with number 21 this is real garbage to put up theres no need for it and all the hateful comments even of they ar true u make your self sounds really dumb when u try to advocate for “the good” when your also saying crazy loshen harah its not important if hes working there and to number 17 davvening in a minyan with fry Jews is what most shluchim do everyday or week who knows what avarois they did are u sugesting we shouldent go on shlichus cuz a fry yid might come davven with us to
Forgetful
Can someone remind me exactly which Beis Din declared this guy a Moser? It seems to have slipped my mind.
antimesira
#23
its to late for that. It was the mosser who needed to go to a beis din before he pro-took in an act of mesira.
now he is 100% a mosser.
Shulchan Aruch
Simple solution to find out if this guy is a mosser or not…
OPEN A SHULCHAN ARUCH AND LEARN
http://mosrim.files.wordpre…
Translation:
http://whoisshmira.wordpres…
Just by the way: if I remember correctly, the above mosser and his friends were invited to a Din Torah and refused to show.
http://mosrim.files.wordpre…
In fact the next day in court the DA tried to use these invitations to DT against the Shomrim Six and the BD.
http://whoisshmira.files.wo…
Shulchan Aruch PT.1
Code Of The Jewish Law
By Rabbi Shneur Zalman Of Liadi
Laws of Money Damages – (Laws of Messira)
[Chosen Mishpot – Kehot Printing –Safer Vov- Page Kof-Chof]
[Free Translation]
(6) It is forbidden to Masser a Jew in to the hands of a Goy (Gentile), it makes no difference if its his body or money, even ‘Mamon Kal’, which means even if it’s a “light” (small) amount of money.,
This prohibition applies by ‘Debur’, which means outright Messira through speech, Or even revealing what a fellow Jew wants to do, for example giving a hint, for example: if the Goy asks the Yid where he can find strew, it is forbidden to tell him that it can be found in a specific Yid’s house, or even to just point to the Yid’s house, – without even saying anything, and anyone that does Massira has no part in the world to come.
Even a wicked person and a sinner, it is forbidden to Massir on him, both in regard to his body or money, and even if this person is a constant bother, for example, he’s always harassing you, it’s forbidden to Masser.
However, if this wicked person Massered on you, you are allowed to Masser on him, if there is reason to believe that this wicked person will continue his Mossering and the only way you can save yourself is by- Mossering on the wicked person or in a case that you were Massered on and that Messira was not dismissed, meaning it’s ongoing, your allowed to Masser, if that’s your last resort, and no other way out.
Also one that is violent who regularly hits people and there is no other way to protect yourself from him, unless you will Masser him to Goyim, that they shall take his money or “cut off his hands” that he may not be violent again. However, someone who hit his friend but he is not regularly violent rather this was a one time thing, it is forbidden even for the person that was hit, to Masser his friend, for even though if in this case, the person that was hit does Masser, there are those opinions which exempt him from ‘Dinay Adom’ Judgment from man, because a person isn’t “Nitfas Al Tzari” [Baba Bathra 16: Raba said: This teaches that a man is not held responsible for what he says when in distress]. Still to begin with it is forbidden to according to everyone and he is a Mosser (if he does).
And even if you have a violent Jew, and he doesn’t want to go to Bais Din, it is forbidden to go to the authorities to force him to come to a Din Torah, until you receive permission from Bais Din, also to force him through the means of Goyim to fulfill the Psak (Halachik Ruling) of Bais din, it is forbidden till you have consent from Bais Din.
Shulchan Aruch PT.2
(7) Someone that Masser’s it is permitted to kill him, in any place, and at any time, even in today’s time, even before he actually Masser’s, like if he says “I’m going to Masser on someone either on his actual body or money etc…” he has permitted himself to death, and we warn him, and we tell him: Do not Masser. If he has Chutzpa and says no, I’m going to Masser anyways, it is a Mitzva (commandment) to kill him, and whoever is first in doing so, the merit is his.
For someone that goes to Masser money of a Jew into the hands of Goyim, it’s as if he’s “chasing” (”Rodef”) after his soul. And if someone is “chasing” (”Rodef”) after your friend to kill him, it is allowed to save him (your friend), by killing the killer (Mosser).
And if there is no opportunity to warn him (the Mosser), you do not need to warn him. However if you can save the victim by hurting the killer (Mosser), for example by cutting off his tongue, or to poke out his eyes, then it’s forbidden to kill him (the Mosser).
(8) If the Mosser followed thought with his plot (of Messira), it is forbidden to kill him, unless he’s “assumed in Messira”, which means he has done Messira three times, then you can kill for he may continue to Mosser on others. It is forbidden to destroy the money of a Mosser by hand, meaning by physical action, or through Messira to Goyim, even though it’s permitted to destroy his body (by killing him). For his money is fit for his inheritors. However it’s permitted to cause him lose of money, because since his body is void (hefker) so is his money, and for sure you don’t have to pick up his lost item to return to him. However it is forbidden to take the Mosser’s money for yourself (even if it’s something that the Mosser lost) since it is fit for his inheritors.
There are those who say that a Mosser has the law of a ‘Mumar’ to the whole Torah (see Rambam Laws of Repentance, Chapter 3, law 9, for what a Mumar for the whole Torah is). And if you find the Mosser’s lost object it is yours and is forbidden to return it to him….
(9) Someone that’s assumed as a Mosser, and it seems that the only reason why his words are heard is because of his money, meaning he is rich, and if he would be poor his words will not be heard, it is permitted to destroy his money, or to Masser on him to Goyim, for with this you are saving other people from this Mosser’s Messira.