Being a staunch “Rightist” for many years and practicing tolerance towards all persuasions in Lubavitch (Mashichists, Anti's, Leftists, Rightist, and an assemblage of many others) I had a sense of relief when an additional Rov was voted in to the Bais Din three years ago. I felt that the enormous amount of issues facing the community (and unfortunately there are many) was too much for one Rov to handle. In addition the political complexities in regards to kashrus demanded a more balanced handling of our kashrus supervision. The amount of controversy was causing complete mayhem. As in many other situations personal egos were obfuscating the practical issues.
Open Letter by Shloime Drimmer: The Sorry State Of Our Community
It is with awe and trepidation that I pen these words but the situation in our Shechuna has fallen to a fathomless depth without an inkling of foreseeable hope or salvation.
Being a staunch “Rightist” for many years and practicing tolerance towards all persuasions in Lubavitch (Mashichists, Anti’s, Leftists, Rightist, and an assemblage of many others) I had a sense of relief when an additional Rov was voted in to the Bais Din three years ago. I felt that the enormous amount of issues facing the community (and unfortunately there are many) was too much for one Rov to handle. In addition the political complexities in regards to kashrus demanded a more balanced handling of our kashrus supervision. The amount of controversy was causing complete mayhem. As in many other situations personal egos were obfuscating the practical issues.
Unfortunately the entry of a new Rov into the forum caused complete disarray. The amount of Sinas Chinum among our populace is worse than ever. Instead of concerted efforts to help alleviate the many needs of our community there has only been strife.
I have kept quiet until now since I felt that mixing in will only bring me down to the same depths as those involved. However, after witnessing what transpired in our Kodesh Kodshim of our Rebbe on one of the holiest days of the year I felt that I can no longer remain silent.
Regardless of who is right and who is wrong, and there will always be differences of opinions, how could a whole Kehilla stand by and allow that which transpired in the Rebbe’s Shul this Rosh Hashona? to allow a young and immature agitator get up in the Rebbe’s Shul and act in such a nefarious and vile manner (with the support and backing of the new Rov and a group of “Elder Chassidim”) is one of the most shameful acts ever perpetrated in the annals of Lubavitch.
We are all guilty of letting this travesty occur while we stood silently by. We all kept quiet when one person was Matriach a whole Tzibur and was Mevaza an open Sefer Torah. May Hashem find the wherewithal in these days of Rachomim to forgive him for the thoughts that he caused people to have on this holiest of days.
Being quite familiar with what has transpired since this last election of an additional three Rabonim, I fail to comprehend the vileness of opposition portrayed by those against the recent elections. These three have been proactive and for all intents and purposes they were and are defacto a part of the Bais Din even prior to the elections, they sat on din torahs with Rabbi Schwei and were active participants in all aspects of the Bais Din. What caused these oppositionists to perpetrate such vehemence to their election when the only practical difference in their status was titular?
I reflect back to the days when things were a lot simpler. I spent a lot of time at the side of my mentor Horav Zalmen Shimon Dvorkin Zatza”l, and observed firsthand how he Made great efforts in diffusing situations. One of his most basic principles was an attempt to deal with a situation in a soft manner. He told me that you can always go from a soft stance to a harsh position but you can never go from a harsh position to a soft one. His efforts in trying to get two parties to compromise were outstanding.
I have spoken to various people involved in this fracas and was told that there is no room for compromise. This answer flies in the face of one of the most basic tenets of Yiddishkeit in general and more so in the realm of Midas Hachesed and Chassidus.
Why can’t people realize that the continuity of this “holy“ Milchama can only lead to more catastrophic events which we have unfortunately experienced in the recent past.
We must all learn to temper ourselves and most importantly not practice or allow others to practice the type of Chilul Hashem that was enacted in Bais Rabbienu on Rosh Hashanah.
When are people going to come to the realization that this continuing Machlokes is not the key but rather the prevention for bringing the ultimate Geula, which is another aspect of this tragic occurrence that baffles me.
It is quite evident that the instigator and his supporters of this vile and deplorable act are die hard Mashichistim which raises a very perplexing issue. We all know that no one would have the audacity to perpetrate such an act in the presence of the Rebbe, therefore how could this group of people who form a Shvill for the Rebbe and many other similar actions due to their belief that the Rebbe is physically present in 770, do what they did? They would not have acted in this manner prior to Gimmel Tammuz so which is it? Do they believe or don’t they, you can’t have it both ways. In my opinion this shows their true colors and therefore let the facts speak for themselves.
For those that recall the announcement that was made every year before the Rebbe’s holy Takias Shofar -”m’darf vissin vu m’shdaidt un var vemen m’shdaidt“ -we have to realize where we are standing and in front of who we are standing…
Knowing most of the people involved in this ”holy war“ for nary a lifetime, I am shocked by the vehemence portrayed in this holy crusade. Dose it not even dawn upon even one of them that maybe their case is not as righteous as they might think. Does their obsession with being right overcome common sense, Midos of Chesed, and the standards of living delineated by Halacha?
Where is the sense of compromise mandated by Halacha, Yosher and common decency? Why can’t we all put aside our personal ”Yesh“ and look at the overall picture and realize what the proper path is in attempting to facilitate an outcome that is god for everyone.
We are all the Rebbe’s children and this is definitely not the way that he would want us to act.
Wishing all of Klal Yisroel a Gmar Chasima Tovah and may Hashem grant us the wisdom to realize what we are doing and what we should be doing. Let us all put aside our petty differences and concentrate on the true legacy that the Rebbe spoke about ”Kan Tziva Hashem es Habracha” -this is the home base and the fulcrum for the perpetuation of all the Rebbe’s goals. We should serve as a shining example to the rest of the world and in that Zchus we will be Zocheh to see the coming and revelation of Moshiach Tzidkeinu B’korov Mamesh, Kain Yehi Ratzon.
mechichist
It was quite evident that instigator and his supporters of this nefarious and deplorable act are Mishachistim
you cant generlize
Die hard fan
100% AWESOME GRAET WORK
Berel
well done, finally someone is speaking up in the community.
Didn-t Daven in 770
I didn’t daven in 770 and haven’t a clue what he’s talking about, which apparently wasn’t worth his repeating.
innocent bochur bystander
chazak uboruch
eli Galamidi
Shloyme, i comend u for taking a stand,
i stoped going to 770 because of this type of behavure, its a shame…
ad mosai!
You’re right, the state of our community is disgusting. However, I don’t think that your pointing the finger is the ahavas chinam that will bring our community together. I personally am a Mashichist, and I am appalled at the actions of the people you mention– no matter their "affiliation"! I obviously would never do anything like that, and I happen to know some "antis" who would–there was recently a fistfight in 770 caused by "Antis," so you really can’t blame one or the other! Let’s stop with all this nonsense and start coming together as one community with ahavas yisroel!
Spell CHeck
Commenters, Please use spell check. If you can’t spell that’s one thing, but you dont have to broadcast it to the whole world
lizman
to reb shloimeh drimmer
yeasher koiach for writing this and haveing the guts to make it public. you were in the vaad and you suffered for it. but now you stick your neck out and say the truth.
may hashem bless you woth gezunt parnasah and nachas from your family and form you extended family all of us in crown heights
may you have a gemar chasima toivah
the younger genaration peace
its good that somone has the guts to speak out and do it without getting into the machlokes part just pointing out the reality keep it up i hope it wasent just a waist of ink and people will actually listen and if you agree no matter wich side your on make a comment then we can see just how many people dont like all the radical behavior ….. gmar chasima tovah
nosnip
GREAT LETTER well done, but do you really have to use so many fancy words, come on seriously.
for the Rebbe-s sake
Eli, according to the Rebbe the answer is not to stop going to 770 but to go and do what you can to correct the situation. It is after all still the REbbe’s shul, whether one is or is not a mashichist. (for some silly reason I was under the impression that all Jews were Mashicisten….)
The incident that took place in shul on yom tov was absolutely despicable. actually frightening that such a thing can happen in the Rebbe’s shul on Rosh Hashana no less, I could not help feeling that all these bochurim who were screaming yechi were actually giving the Rebbe the opposite. the job of the bochurim is to be learning, giving some chayis in shul etc. but NOT TO GET INVOLVED IN POLITICS!
lastly, with all due respect to Rabbi schwei, he would have scored a few zillion points if he would have gotten up on that bima on Yom Tov and told them to be quiet and allow the man to have his alliya. who knows, maybe that was the kind of mesiras nefesh the aibishter was waiting for…….
THE EMES!!
This corrupt person, who caused all this mayhem, had only one intention as does most other die hard supporters for either Rav. To shmare the Rav to sway his judgments, and to strengthen his personal ties with the Rav.
So sad to say – the Rav’s in Crown Heights are to easily bullied around and threatened by this narishkayten that are led by the common persons YESH!
In this case, the person made the chaos to shmare Rabbi Shwei. It’s the Rav’s responsibility and calling to rise above the narishkaitin of his community and take the initiative to do the right thing no matter how it all turns out for his own personal gain. Because we all know at the end of the day it’s the Eibishter who makes everything jive and ties it all together. So get the message all you out there, and the Rav’s of Crown Heights – see G-d before you with every move you make not your ego or alterier motives. G-d bless Shlomie Drimmer for speaking the truth and reaching out.
yeah right like im gona say
in other words
trepidation – trembling fear
fathomless – bottomless
staunch – firm, loyalty
populace – people of a community
betterment – improvement
concerted – arranged by agreement
nefarious – extremely wicked
annals – records
holy war – jihad
vehemence – Characterized by forcefulness
delineated – outlined
lets come together and show that poor (u know what) his way back to monsey
“An active psychopath is the devil’s workshop.”
USAMA BIN HENDEL
There are no mashichistim and no anti
All there is to it is the establishment on one side And the illegitimate
“war lords” and the war is lost .
you cannot win a guerilla group .
Usama bin hendel
brings the young brainwashed From Palestine and lubavitch looks like that.However this warlord has a very strong following. Thy sleep in barns
but the building on Kingston ave. Will never be ready for the group . why ? Because every year he can make a party and collect More money for
“keren hachurban” of crown heights.
I am sure that very soon the day will come and the Rebbe will help us. even sooner than we think and Even before moshiach will come and take us
to the holy land.
GMAR CHASIMA TOVA
Itzik_s
The sad thing is that the rov in question is, by all accounts and by personal observation, an ehrlicher and very aidel man. Sadly, politics affected him and he is being used by some politicians (not that I’m a meshichist, but please don’t use the term meshichist to describe a small group of people whose devotion to the phrase yechi and those who say it, write it and wear it on their yarmulkes is political rather than connected with sincere, if sometimes misguided, hiskashrus) to further their aims.
The whole communal leadership structure in CH has to be reworked.
Appalled
Why is all this posted erev YK??? webby, I’m surprised that you let all these negative comments, & Mr. Drimmer’s letter, regardless of its importance, start all the Machloykes up all over again.
No one, I repeat, NO ONE is clean on this issue.
I urge everyone to leave these dirty politics & all comments alone. We really need Moshiach, everyone wants this.It doesn’t matter what label we have!
Let’s just daven with Kavonnah, & start the year fresh.It’s Aseres Yemei Teshuva & Erev Yom Kippur! How much more serious times can we be in???
I know it’s hard, beleve me I do, but we have to STOP THIS STUFF!!
G’mar Chasima Tova, a gut gebentched Yor to all Yidden.
Dovid
It’s really nice to know that we have mind-readers in Lubavitch. People who can asses a person’s behavior and motives. People who know and can identify the devil, people who, instead of looking for solutions, point their finger at individuals and claim that they are the cause, and if not for them, things would be perfectly dandy.
Venting your anger on him won’t get you far, considering that, right or not, there are hundereds of others who share his approach. Beside, even if davenign would have gone undisturbed, how can you allow that there is such a vicious fight going on in the Beis Din of Kan Tziva Hashem es Habrocha?
The solution isn’t this letter, or any letter, for that matter, but rather, the solution is forcing the Rabbonim to settle their differences in a Zabla.
All this smooth talk, which trumpets the idea of peace, but is actually quite violent in objective (the objective of this letter is to smear the Mishichstim, and Rabbi Schwei). So, instead of calling for blood under the battle call for peace, let’s get our hands a little dirty and actually do something that can bring peace to the community now, which is, of course, settling the differences between the rabbonim in a zabla.
tomim
We need more people (who can do something about the situation) to stand up and to their thing.
In the meantime, as well intending as people are with their comments of support, I don’t think that there is a place for naming people, and name calling. Bifrat just before yom kipper, we should be more careful about such things, and I call upon the webmaster of this site to edit out or not post comments with names and name calling calling. Who it was that did it doesn’t really matter at this point.
sr41
don;t realy know what hes talken about. But we all agree we need sholom in our sacred commuity.
Peace now!!
anash
Reb Shloime,
Thanks for your letter, I davened in 770 and it bothered me to the core. Thanks for speaking out. I have respect for your honest sincere open letter. I respect you. you should run for vaad hakoel perhaps this shchuna would be in better shape.
An Agudah Member
Reb Shlomo
Kol Hakovod
I am not a Huge Rabbi Osdaba Supporter but the Anachy started here with Rabbi Schwei who is actually a ncie fellow
He is surronded by people who are just as bad as the people surronding Rabbi O But total Hatred has occured since Rabbi Schwei Came in.
The new 3 Rabonim will eventually become Rabbonim since Rabbi Schwei has NO PERSON TO RUN if elections were held today
Reb Shlomo I give you credit. I have even more respect for you now
a woman
I agree very strongly with this letter. I am a woman and I was personally shocked why NOBODY, in a shul filled with thousands of men, didnt stop this dreadful act from happening, not once, but twice!!! No fighting is needed, but some nice firm hands guiding this individual to the door would certainly be fitting for such innapropriate behavior in our Rebbes shul.
Good yom tov.
stam a bachur
I believe that the letter was intended to make sure that the next time someone decides that the bimah in 770 is speakers corner, we the community and i say WE as in everyone are responsable to show him that beis rabenu and bifrat on rosh- hashana is no place to air out his dirty laundry.
lub
This is part of the test before moshiach. let’s all daven to hashem that it should be over already! ashreinu to all of us who still have a strong emunah without getting involved in this nonsense.
respect
whoever mentioned the actual name of somebody, it’s simply not nice and pure straight out loshon hora to do that-you can say your point without being extra nasty and naming somebody. Saying someobody’s name won’t help you get your point out stronger.
Secondly, instead of everyone giving their comments on everything, just look at yourself and act your best possible way so that there’s peace in the world and in your community because at least you know you’re doing the right thing, and you’re working on yourself instead of always pointing fingers at others.
Thirdly, the Rabonim do have to have the matter settled, all our speaking will ABSOLUTELY NOT change anything at all, even if the right things are being said. The Rabonim acting in the proper Torah way the way a Rav should act is the only way anything can change.
a gmar chasima tova to all and may we all be inscribed in the book of life!
lizman
a question to webby
you had this on then you took it off . please explain. some people say this letter is a forgery
can you please poet your investigation as you took it off then now put it on . so people know the truth
a gemar tov
shalom al kulunu
Dave
B"H
Being removed from New York by roughly 900 miles, I can only imagine what disruption went on in the shul during Rosh Hashona. What ever happened sounds like only the tip of an iceberg…. there’s much more below the surface than what is visible above or known to the public outside of Crown Heights.
From my perspective, the issues appear extremely complex and it doesn’t look like there is anyone who is thought of highly enough in the community who can make a difference or bring about a reconciliation/resolution of the conflict.
Since I don’t have a clear picture of all the issues you all are dealing with, I’ll stay on the sidelines.
I will say that its not pretty to watch.
I am very curious to see what type of "stunt" these people are going to try during Yom Kippur…..
In the meantime, I want to extend my heartfelt best wishes and greetings to everyone that they have a safe, healthy, happy, and prosperous new year!
The Reluctant One
The legitimacy of the elected Rabbonim is a red herring. The core issue should be prevention of machloikes. Has anyone given thought to the fact that since the Rabonim saga is a controversial and explosive issue in CH, it might have been wise on the Gaboim’s part not to have given these men Aliyahs, thus preventing any potential for fighting and acrimony? Further, I think it’s foolish of the Rabonim to play into their plan. Unlike where in the animal kingdom, where particular species urinate to mark their territory, the Rabbonim needn’t have Aliyahs on Rosh Hashonah to ratify their candidacies.
Anonymous
lizman:
The reason it was removed was due to the fact that I had recived a copy that was not the final draft, so by the request of the author I removed the letter pending him submitting the final draft.
Gmar Chasima Tova, and a Gut Gebentched Yohr.
united we stand divided we fall
It is erev Yom Kippur, the holiest of days, instead of pointing fingers and calling names, why dont each of us look into our own plate, do what you know is right with belief that Hashem understands and is a Forgiving G-d, belief is belief, you cannot change what people believe, as long as we all have the same goal, WE ALL WANT MOSHIACH, it doesnt matter who it is!!!
Gmar Chasima Tova
non-partisan member of anash
The blame of the machlokes is ultimately the fault of both Rabbonim. A major contributor to the destruction of our community is a result of disrespect, dishonesty, and hatred between the Rabbonim themselves. If the tail of a fish stinks the head also stinks. It is time for all the Rabbonim to resign and allow the community to rebuild with new Rabbonim who are not involved in the machlokes. None of the present Rabbonim will ever regain the trust and respect of the community. If this community has any chance of rebuilding itself it will not happen with these Rabbonim.
b
personally, we daven at a small shul on the other side away from 770, as the Rebbe had reminded us year ago, to make sure that all the shuls in our shechuna get attendance. Besides, I am so very proud of my husband that he does not go near crazy people who act in the way that is foreign to the very existence of the Rebbe. I can say one thing. There is a way to clean up one’s activities. Get clean cut friends! Pure people. There are people here that are quiet, "no-big name" people and they are nice and decent. Wives, try to get friendly with couples that are just nice decent and gentle people who are atruistically here for the Rebbe, not just to get an adrenalin rush and feel important that they are fighting for the Rebbe’s kavod. Rebbe’s kavod??? This is so clearly hefech !
overseas
then ppl wonder how one can miss seven seventy by the rebbe,when you have ppl acting like animals in the rebbes shul it just makes being on shlichus esier,because now im not as upset about missing all this dirt
wake up!!!
its really nice to see , some people are soooooooooooooooooo understanding to the perpetrator and his behavior, and to justify the obvious evil.
as this letter points out, that the problem is that we all sat quiet while , this whole thing played out, since the latest elections.
the solution isn’t getting the rabbonim to a zabla.
cause as long as one of the parties is not willing to recognize anyone else’s opinion but his own , that’s where we all have to come together and throw him out, making it clear that we will not tolerate anyone who dictates, and disrupts our peaceful community.
and yes, its unfortunate that this fight comes now right before yom kippur, but we’ve been pushed to a point, where we’re about to loose our community to a bunch of lunatics, and hopefully we’ll push back.
sss
thnak you very much mr d for ur open letter
Observer
It seems to me that its time for rabbi krinsky to take back 770 and to get rid of the trouble makers, if necessary by using the courts and the police.
Pashkviln
A letter without a signature is a pashkvil – the Rebbe said on the paskvil writters "makeh reyehu basoser etc. and "er hot mit MIR milchome" and the Rebbe said that even with a signature you should not write if anyone has any problem he should go to the Rov. And in this case I don’t thing that Mr. Drimer went to talk to the Rov which he is PUBLICLY MEVAZE in his letter! Please Yidn don’t forget it’s erev Yom Kipur!!!
CHer
TO: ad mosai!
This issue has nothing to do with “Antis” or mishichistim (you sound like Ahmedijad who blames the Jews for all the worlds problems)
However, once you are pointing fingers I’d like to point something out mayself… I was in 770 when that fistfight took place. It was very clear that the “Antis” did not start fighting, even the Tzfatim claimed that they were “antagonized” by the “Antis”, not that anyone lifted a hand toward them… but that they were farbrenging downstairs…
Now, doesn’t that sound familiar? Who let these guys control 770? Who gave them the right to say who can farbreng there and who can’t? Who gave them a right to decide who can get an aliyah and who can not (let alone a rav in the community)?!
G’mar chasima tova
Keeping it real
This is a fight between "Mishichistim" I don’t think the rest of Lubavitch needs to pay much attention to them – Makeh mitzrayim bichoreihem…
Besides they will need to take their (both sides) fighting somewhere else soon because after the court order they won’t be able to do it in 770 – I can’t wait till they cleanup 770!
Forgot
Mr Drimer: Looks that you forgot that this way of handling things by the Rov caused the big machloikes that the kehile had with Fisher and the Rebbe had to get involved and speak openly by a farbrengen.
YOU WRITE: I reflect back to the days when things were a lot simpler. I spent a lot of time at the side of my mentor Horav Zalmen Shimon Dvorkin Zatza”l, and observed firsthand how he Made great efforts in diffusing situations. One of his most basic principles was an attempt to deal with a situation in a soft manner. He told me that you can always go from a soft stance to a harsh position but you can never go from a harsh position to a soft one. His efforts in trying to get two parties to compromise were outstanding.
Elections
Mr. Drimer: Looks like you not that familiar with the elections that have nothing to do if Segal, Zirkind or anyone sat by Din Toires or helped in the Bais Din. The only way that a Rov becomes a member of the badatz his by elections. As per the Rebbes clear instructions in a siche the candidates have to be approved by Rabbonim and not by askonim (activists). In fact Rabbi Osdoba wrote a letter to Rabbi Shlomo Segal (prior to the recent elections) where he clearly states that he, Rabbi Osdoba, had to approve the elections of Rabbi Schwei being the only active memeber of the Badatz at that time. Now we have two elected members of the Badatz so don’t we need the approval of both Rabbonim? How do we conduct elections in a manner which is against the Rebbes wishes and instructions accepting candidates selected by askonim?
YOU WRITE: Being quite familiar with what has transpired since this last election of an additional three Rabonim, I fail to comprehend the vileness of opposition portrayed by those against the recent elections. These three have been proactive and for all intents and purposes they were and are defacto a part of the Bais Din even prior to the elections, they sat on din torahs with Rabbi Schwei and were active participants in all aspects of the Bais Din. What caused these oppositionists to perpetrate such vehemence to their election when the only practical difference in their status was titular?
Levi New
united we stand divided we fall wrote:
It is erev Yom Kippur, the holiest of days, instead of pointing fingers and calling names, why dont each of us look into our own plate, do what you know is right with belief that Hashem understands and is a Forgiving G-d, belief is belief, you cannot change what people believe, as long as we all have the same goal, WE ALL WANT MOSHIACH, it doesnt matter who it is!!!
Gmar Chasima Tova
30/09/06 – 21:38 –
What is the connection??
We all know the Rebbe is moshiach just which way to publicize it. And besides what is the connection to this letter about rabbonim??
shn
Mr. Drimmer —
I would have considered taking your post seriously, however reading your opening statement "Being a staunch “Rightist” for many years" caused me to not bother reading the rest of your letter.
Who decided that your politics were "right" and others’ left?
neighbor in white lake
Reb Shlomo,
First of all a Gmar Chasima Tovah.
Secondly THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR GREAT LETTER. I wiah that somethiong can be done to stop the hatred in the community.
Perhaps yopu and we can begin to do something positive.
I will call you after Yom Kippur to talk to you personaLLy.
Meanwhile a Gmar Chasima Tova.
Mendy
tha only way there will be Sholom is if the Rabbi’s O & S get in to a room and work it out (without any other people) and put it all on paper and sign it. if not then….
neighbor in white lake
Reb Shlomo,
First of all a Gmar Chasima Tovah.
Secondly THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR GREAT LETTER. I wiah that somethiong can be done to stop the hatred in the community.
Perhaps yopu and we can begin to do something positive.
I will call you after Yom Kippur to talk to you personaLLy.
Meanwhile a Gmar Chasima Tova.
Ish Gamzu
When will someone finally take a stand and bar these api korsim from destroying all the Rebbe’s hard work? Its high time we remove the interlopers from 770 and restore it to its original greatness. 770 was an integral part of not only Chabad life but of Jewish life as a whole. The moshiachistim have made a mockery of 770 and have caused Lubavitch to be the worlds laughingstock. Now is the time to remove these Taliban-like monsters from our midst. Its up to us to remove the cancer. The time is now. MOSHIACH NOW!
fed up!!!
to wake up…
"the solution is not going to zabla"?
"if one does not recognize others opinions, throw him out"?
Everyone is entitled to their opinions! Don’t we give credit to Guliani and Bush for standing strong, even when a majority of the population disagrees with them?
By saying to throw him out without listening to his side of the story, are you yourself not advocating exactly what
you are convicting him of doing?
Disagreement is healthy. Without disagreement you have nothing but a dictatorship. Halacha sez what to do when you cannot resolve your differences, and that is to settle in court. And whem the dayonim have a vested interest in the outcome, you go to an impartial court, i.e. zabla. You (those with your viewpoint)are the one forcing your view on others, and you are the one escalading the machlokes by not forcing them to settle in court.
You think that forcing your opinion is the answer, and i’ll admit that adding more rabbonim to force a majority vote will quiet the opposition to some degree, but what happens when we wake up and decide that we don’t like Rabbi O’s view? Do we throw him out as well?
Both rabbonim are wrong for not willing to compromise. They both believe that they are doing what’s best for the community, but they are uterly destroying this community in the process.
There is only one solution, they must be forced to settle in court, i.e. zabla.
And perhaps we should not give either of them alios untill they compromise and get us out of this mess!
SHLOIME DRIMMER
ALLTHOUGH THE GENERAL RESPONSE TO MY LETTER WAS FAVORABLE,THE FEEDBACK FROM SOME OF MY CLOSE FRIENDS CAUSES ME MUCH PAIN AND DISAPPOINTMENT.I REGRET THAT THEY ARE MISSING THE TRUE FOCUS OF MY LETTER AND THEREFORE I WISH TO CLARIFY AND REITERATE THE MAIN GIST OF MY LETTER.
THE MAIN CRUX OF THE PROBLEMS STEMMING FROM THE BAIS DIN GOES BACK MANY YEARS AND PRECEDES MY TENURE AS A MEMBER OF THE VAAD HAKAHAL.
FOR ALL THE YEARS WE LIVED IN A UTOPIAN SITUATION WHERE WE WERE FORTUNATE IN HAVING THE REBBES GUIDANCE IN ALL ASPECTS OF OUR EXISTENCE.THERE WAS NEVER A THOUGHT OF QUESTIONING THE REBBES WORDS AS WE ALL KNOW THAT THEY WERE BASED ON DIVINE WISDOM.
THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE BAIS DIN WAS OF MAJOR IMPORTANCE TO THE REBBE AND WE ARE ALL AWARE OF THE MANY THINGS THAT THE REBBE SAID IN FORTIFYING THEIR EXISTENCE AND AUTHORITY.
UNFORTUNATELY THE FISHER EPISODE CREATED A SITUATION WHERE THOSE THAT HAD PERSONAL AGENDAS SOUGHT TO UNDERMINE THE AUTHORITY OF THE BAIS DIN.THIS ASSAULT ON THE BAIS DIN DID NOT STOP THERE AND THIS UNDERMINING OF THE BAIS DINS AUTHORITY BECANE A CAUSE CELEBRE OF THIS GROUP.SADLY THIS MUSHROOMED INTO OTHER AREAS OF DISPUTE.
ANOTHER ASPECT THAT CAUSED MUCH CONTROVERSEY INVOLVING THE BAIS DIN WAS KASHRUS.CONTROL OF THE KASHRUS WAS MANIPULATED BY ONE PERSON AND BECAME A CANCEROUS GROWTH THAT ENTWINED ITSELF INTO THE VERY CORE OF THE BAIS DIN,THIS PROBLEM HAS ONLY GROWN WORSE AND HAS MANIFESTED ITSELF INTO BEING ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS FOR THE DIVISEVENESS THAT WE FACE TODAY IN THE BAIS DIN.
THESE ISSUES AMONG OTHERS CREATED A SITUATION WHEREAS CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS FELT THAT THEY COULD ATTACK THE AUTHORITY OF THE BAIS DIN.THEY CREATED A MINDSET AMONG OTHERS THAT THIS WAS ACCEPTABLE AND JUSTIFIABLE.
WE HAVE NOW COME TO AN UNTENABLE SITUATION WHERE THERE IS A SPLIT AMONG THE RABBONIM THEMSELVES AND EACH HAVING THEIR OWN GROUP OF SUPPORTERS.AS IN MANY CONFLICTS SIDES ARE FORMED VISA TWO VENUES.ONE IS TRUE BELIEF IN ONES CAUSE AND THE OTHER IS AFFILIATION DUE TO PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS OR PERSONAL AGENDAS.
WE,AS THE KEHILLA,HAMON AM,THE SILENT MAJORITY MUST STAND UP AND TAKE A STANCE NOW.WE MUST BACK OFF FROM TAKING SIDES AND DEMAND ONE THING FROM ALL THE RABBONIM!!!
WE WANT,AND RESPECTFULLY DEMAND THAT THE RABBONIM FORM A COHESIVE AND UNIFIED BAIS DIN.THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY FAR OUTWEIGH ANY AGENDAS THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE BETWEEN THEMSELVES.
THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY ARE GREAT AND DEMAND THE FULL TIME ATTENTION OF THE FULL BAIS DIN.WHILE THIS SQUABBLING GOES ON WE ARE LOSING MORE AND MORE OF OUR CHILDREN.WE HAVE FAMILIES LIVING BELOW THE POVERTY LEVEL.THERE ARE SHOLOM BAYIS PROBLEMS,CHILD ABUSE,WIFE ABUSE.THE LIST UNFORTUNATELY GOES ON AND ON.INSTEAD OF ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES WE ARE MIRED DOWN IN THE FILTH AND SQUALLOR OF CONTROVERSEY AND PETTY FIGHTING.
IT IS TIME FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED (ALL THE RABBOINIM,ALL MEMBERS OF THE VAAD HAKAHAL,MASHPIAM,ELDER CHASIDIM,ETC.) TO TAKE A STEP BACK,LOOK AT OUR SITUATION OBJECTIVELY AND ASK THEMSELVES ONLY ONE QUESTION–WHAT CAN I DO TO RESOLVE ALL THESE DIFFERENCES.STOP THINKING ABOUT WHAT THE OTHER PERSON CAN OR SHOULD DO-DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO TO MAKE A CHANGE.
OUR SALVATION CAN ONLY COME THRU THIS JOINT EFFORT ON EVERYONES PART AND WILL G-D WILLING BRING NACHES TO THE REBBE WHICH HE MOST DESERVEDELY EARNED.THE REBBE DEVOTED HIS LIFE TO US AND NOW IT IS TIME FOR PAYBACK.
IF I OFFENDED ANYONE I ASK FOR MECHILA IN THESE LAST HOURS BEFORE YOM HADIN AND I HOPE AND PRAY THAT MY HUMBLE WORDS WILL HAVE SOME EFFECT IN BRINGING ACHDUS TO OUR COMMUNITY.
B’BIRCHAS GMAR CHASIMA TOVA
fed up!!!
My final point on previous comment was not ment sarcastically. They are both to blame, and none of them deserve our kovod untill they get us out of this mess and stop destroying this community.
Zushe
Shloimi ,
As an old friend of yours , I think that it was high time for you to come out with an outcry of GEVALD GESHRIEN… AD MOSSAY ZEH YIHYEH LONU LEMOIKESH… ,but in the same time I disagree with your white gloves in which you right your letter. Excuse me to say that you are ain’t got BA…BACK TZEINER …this white gloves will get you no where in this holly war. You have to come out OPEN and CLEAR and say what’s really on your mind.
That since Rabbi Shwey became Rov , he destroyed every good thing that was left over in our neighborhood. He destroyed the Beis Din of C.H. ( for which ppl gave him their vote) he totally destroyed the any respect for a Rov. He sent and still keeps on sending Pashkvilen – full of filthy dirt against a Rov that the Rebbe strongly endorsed – to every house in the community… EVERY thing that HoRav OSDOBA says he says right away the opposite….and the list goes on and on and on.. Why don’t you say what you really that you want to see him removed from any Rabbonus job in the Community since he proved to everyone that PEGIOSSOI ROOH , and so long as he stays here as a Rov, there will be ONLY FIGHTS and Machloikes , maybe when he will live PEACE will come back to our community. You must say CLEARLY what’s on your mind,not cover it up b/c then what did you accomplished with your letter
Hashem should have Rachamonus on the Rebbes Shchunoh and bless us all with a Kessivoh Vachassimoh Toivoh.
Zushe
Shloimi ,
As an old friend of yours , I think that it was high time for you to come out with an outcry of GEVALD GESHRIEN… AD MOSSAY ZEH YIHYEH LONU LEMOIKESH… ,but in the same time I disagree with your white gloves in which you right your letter. Excuse me to say that you are ain’t got BA…BACK TZEINER …this white gloves will get you no where in this holly war. You have to come out OPEN and CLEAR and say what’s really on your mind.
That since Rabbi Shwey became Rov , he destroyed every good thing that was left over in our neighborhood. He destroyed the Beis Din of C.H. ( for which ppl gave him their vote) he totally destroyed the any respect for a Rov. He sent and still keeps on sending Pashkvilen – full of filthy dirt against a Rov that the Rebbe strongly endorsed – to every house in the community… EVERY thing that HoRav OSDOBA says he says right away the opposite….and the list goes on and on and on.. Why don’t you say what you really that you want to see him removed from any Rabbonus job in the Community since he proved to everyone that PEGIOSSOI ROOH , and so long as he stays here as a Rov, there will be ONLY FIGHTS and Machloikes , maybe when he will live PEACE will come back to our community. You must say CLEARLY what’s on your mind,not cover it up b/c then what did you accomplished with your letter
Hashem should have Rachamonus on the Rebbes Shchunoh and bless us all with a Kessivoh Vachassimoh Toivoh.
FED UP
sometimes you just gotta look at those kind of people and say im sooo glad im not like them! It is a disgrace what goes on in 770 and CH in general, there is no respect for the great things that used to be, doesnt anyone care anymore?!?!?!
Levi Huebner
I can’t understand why so many of the writers of the foregoing comments have the bravery to smear and criticize others but don’t have the conviction of the stregnth of their position to pen their name to the aforementioned postings.
shmulik
Mr. D.
Well said.
Gmar Tov and have an easy fast.
-SZ
Yossi
The Chabad community has been in a spiraling free for all for 15 years now. How I long the days before all this machichist mishugas started. That was the start of this and everything that has happened now is all a result of us letting this go on for all these years. “Avinu Malkeinu Shelach Refuah Shelaima Lcholay Amecha”
fraida perelstein
as a balteshuva see all of you as unreal you fight as you say you love the rebbe you stand in the place he once stood and make a joke of his shul and his teachings whatever you belive if you fight with each other you are not living up to all he has givin us we have the greatest life the truth of his teachings the torah many times i saw the rebbe cry to have ahavas yisroel if you want to honor him live with the fact every time you fight you are not living up to what he would want. you are not only hurting yourself but all of us.hasham is watching you your children are watching you what kind of example are you going to leave for them the Rebbe davened to Hasham for all of us now before yom kipper make a promise to live a true torah life if not for yourself but your children i cry for all the fights it leads nowhere why waste all that enegry when its better to but it to use with what Hasham and the rebbe really wants toghterness and ahavas yisroel may all of us have a good year
a shlucha
I applaud Drimmer’s statements on Erev Yom Kippur. This IS the time to say this and for everyone to make a true cheshbon hanefesh. Hashem’s blessing cannot come where is so much fighting! I hesitate these days to bring people to the Rebbe’s schunah- which is truly sad! We must all get our acts together and remember whos children we are and that there is NO JUSTIFICATION for machlokes, NONE WHaT SO EVER! Differences are ok, but must be daelt with respectfully. If you think Drimmer’s letter is inappropriate on Erev Yom Hakodosh, perhaps you are missing the whole point of Yom Kippur- Acdus between the Aibishter and His children and between yidden themselves. A gmar chasima tova and may the Aibishter have rachmonus on all of us.
when did this start?
this is so true
tx for speaking
those people are trying to make as if the machlokos started now after the elections of the new rabbonim when in reality the machlokos started by shvei coming in
cheshbon hanefesh amiti
Shloymeh,
"ess eez nishto keyn farfalen". But, it takes ACTION (not only words) to make CHANGE. One had to actually BRING a korbon pessach sheni and not satisfy with mere WORDS OF "HARE KEILU HIKRAVTI KORBON PESSACH".
I laud you though, for starting in the dibbur and writing part. But since you came till here, if you want to understand how it here, in order to change the stance from now on, understand the point you made by HaRav DWorkin z"l and take it a bit further:
It is not only important to attempt to a "soft" approach versus a "harsh" one, but it is important to see that we sdo not use "holy" ideals as a tool in the political arena. Not use and misuse the Rebbe for a jihad on other people. This was the problem with the WAR on fisher, the WAR on aguch, the WAR about the Rabbonim, the WAR of mishichisten etc. and of late the war against R. O. by the russian team and their meshichistishe soldiers imported from Tzfat:
everything was a WAR using the Rebbe to fight the opponent.
Take what is happening now and project it back in time 20 years ago and you will the seeds for the svhiller chassidus and the flags and balons and pins paraphenillia in the diatribes of people to vilify in the most "harshest" terms the opponent using the Rebbe and other "holy" ideals as a weapon to lierally "gun" down the opponent. This type of new-age chassidus was the zerioh for what we have today.
The reason I’m writing this *on* erev yom kipuur is to make a *real* cheshbon hanefesh, in order to change this. It is of utmost importance to make a grassroots group of people who wil say: we are sick of this, stop using the REbbe in every "jihad", if you want let’s talk about the *issues* and see where it leads closer to the will of the Rebbe, but do not make the Rebbe a partner and association in anything related to a WAR on the "opponenets" whomever they may be. If you succeed with this, you may have a chance to see some REAL change. Otherwise we will see the not so slow takeover of every meaningful 770 and other major mosdos taken over by the soldiers and generals of the "holy" talibans.
letter
great letter
gmar chasima tova
mechila
i hope your letter will get him to ask mechila
STILL SHLOMAH-S FRIEND
My Dear Friend Shlome:
Your addendum to your letter attacking Rabbi Schwei and the "meshichisten" is too little and too late. The vitriolic bend spewed by your letter shows that you had no interest in the good of the kehilla, only to voice the partisanship of those whose only intent is attacking Rabbi Schwei and the "meshichisten". If you hadn’t openly attacked a respested Rov who was LEGITAMELY elected as a Rov of our Shchunah, I wouldn’t have questioned your motive. You can’t smear a Rov in a letter and then follow up with a weak and lame excuse and an empty request for mechillah.There are several correct points in your letter, but ubfortunately they are overshadowed by your one sided rant against one of the Rabbonim of our Community. In my opinion, what you accomplished was worse than what the butcher in Monsey caused by feeding the Kehillah nevailos and treifos r"l.You are entitled to your opinion but you aired it via a route lacking mentchlichkiet and sensitivity. I wonder whose influence made you set aside those qualities that are inherent in your good charachter.
I WISH YOU AND YOURS A GMAR CHASIMAH TOVAH B’GASHMIUS V’RUCHNIUS B’SOCH ACHEINU ANASH KLAL YISRAEL
Brain Doc in Burbs
I, being an insignificant Chabad out-of- towner I can merely comment on a few points/issues as I am not aware of what happens or happenned in 770 on a daily basis BUT;
1. It sounds like something dirty occured on Rosh Hasahana and in public, in 770, in the Rebbe’s shul, and was totally uncondemmed/witnessed by the general public. If so, shame on the congregation at that time. Case closed!
2. Nothing more then shame on the ardent meschistim who have brought Lubavitch down, in conversation only per se. I live in s small town and everyone knows what Chabad is all about. But this head in the sand group has gotta go. Totally senseless and meaningless to say the least. Can’t true spitz (said that right? ;) Chabad jointly issue a statement of total impartiality with this group?
3. The author of this letter I believe is from a long standing appliance company and if so, is a total mentch and a straight shooter. I’ve bought my wares from him for many many years and nary a problem. I’ll assume his words are as good as his business ethics…..right on the money!
A gut gebventch, and an easy fast to all !
hoping not to offend any one
while I have the utmost respect for rabbi Drimmer, I find it rather interesting that while he is so worried about the "big" fights in our comunitie he forgets to check his own back yard. For many years rabbi drimmer davend in a small shul in CH that is the victim of a hostile take over(stolen from the members by a deranged individual who tries to run the shul much like saddam ran Iraq)this man tries to though ppl out of shul on RH and YK, rants and raves during davining and has turned over tables by kidushim he did not agree with. Rabbi drimmer I dont see you making any attempt what so ever to resolve the issue.while I do respect that you came out and spoke about this important issue why dont you look in your own back yard and help the shul that such a important part of life for so many ppl in the neighborhood(both lubavitch and not)
Erev Yom Kippur
Mr. Drimmer:
I’m afraid that your words have the opposite effect that you hoped they would. Your hateful and spiteful sniping at a respected Rabbi of the community will add to the strife in the community. Let me join your cohorts and cronies in congratulating you on a job very well done as we head toward the solemnest day of the year in where we beseech the almighty to forgive us with his great benevolence.a goot yohr
One time reader
SHLOIME DRIMMER wrote:
ALLTHOUGH THE GENERAL RESPONSE TO MY LETTER WAS FAVORABLE
Shloime let me tell you that what you see here is not real. This site doesn’t post all the comments, they select the ones that are favorable to their views.
Many people told me they don’t even bother to go in bcs. they feel this site is not a fare one. I’m one of them. When I heard that there is a letter from you I went to look but I wont bother to comment bcs. I’m sure they wont accept it.
Out of town
Excuse me, I’m from Monsey and we don’t welcome machlokes here either. Don’t shmear us because someone comes from here and don’t send him back. I WAS in CH RH and most of it was very beautiful. The main point is that we much act now as we acted before Gimmel Tammuz. The Rebbe cried out for Moshiach and Ahavas Yisroel..are we his chassidim or not!?
Hindy
To Fraida Perelstein:
Punctuate & paragraph, my dear friend!! LOL:))))
A Gut Gebentched Yor to you & all the family…Happy Birthday!!
Hindy
Former C.H Resident
Finally someone has the courage to let the people of crown heights know how deep the problem is. My question is how do the children that are brought to 770 to get the proper ruach react to this? They think no doubt 770 is the holiest place, and noch on rosh hashonoh…
Apparently the instigator put his own feeling first rather than the education of HIS children and many others that were in shul. Shame on you whoever you are! if you have a problem with something… take it outside or deal with it without invloving the entire world.
Many prople have asked me why I dont bring my children to 770 and i tell them that With what goes on these days is that what you want your child to remember and understand of 770?
Incidentally i do not live in Crown Heights anymore and i am thankfull for it as i know my children will NOT grow up with animosity or petty arguments about the politics that ravages the so called shecunah. Were i to meet Shloime Driimer I would congratulate him personally. For an insider to come out and recognize that there is a problem is the first step to recovery. people should learn from him and quit thinking about thier own agendas for a change.
At the seudah hamafsekes
To Reb Shlomo Drimmer
what purpose was served by slandering a talmid chacham and chaver habadatz? If the intent was to broker peace in our community, why did you resort to shaming, maligning libeling and trashing a rspected rov of our community? If you wrote the letter in order to chastise those who in your opinion embarrassed a talmid chachom publicly on Rosh Hashana, why did you find it necessary to do the same-tenfold- to a rspected rov in the community on erev yom hakodoish?
until you adequately address these points the only outcome of your letter will be to fan the flames of machloikes and disaccord in the shchunah. Gmar chasimah toivah v’yitamu chatoim vlo chotim
Heshy from Flatbush
Hey Drimmer!!!!!!
Are you off the wall????? I love your style, public flagulation of a community leader. Serves him right, he should have remained a private citizen and continue to help the hundreds of people without the official title.Wish I was around to pat you. Right on, degradation of a Rabbi on a public forum.
a big, BIG Meshichist!
I don’t live in the country. AND I am a (don’t like to use this term) female Meshichist. But what happened in 770 was shamefull, mean, dispicable and immauture! I commend Mr. Drimmer. The point is not who is right or wrong. The Rebbe’s shul is not the place to "wash dirty laundry". THIS IS THE POINT. We gotta A) Be mature about it. and B) (which is more important than A) Have Ahavas Yisroel.
The first step in doing this is by actually looking into OURSELVES and perfecting that.
Don’t talk about all this mud in front of your children and better yet don’t even talk about it! Get involved in visiting the sick instead!
Moshiach NOW!!
ashreinu!
I just wanted to let you all know (those of you that are out of town or not in 770 for yom kippur) that davening in 770 This yom kippur was just beautiful! The most inspiring time was when the whole 770 TOGETHER sang "ki anu amecha" it truly felt that we were one big united nation no matter the differences of opinion anyone was coming with, on yom kippur we were all united. may hashem bentch us with a very good year, a united year, and the biggest bracha of all: MOSHIACH NOW!
A Chosid
B’H Yom kippur was very nice in 770
apparently the Rabbonim agreed on a workable solution before Ym kippuyr and it was just great and peacefull
I want to thank the Rabbonim for working things out and PLEASE I just beg them – and I am sure many feel like me- to continue working things out together for the sake of the Rebbe and all of us.
I believe that the Rabbonim WITHOUT their "helpers" can work it all out on their own.
Gut Yom tov
R Osdoba have scored a zillion points
Rabbi Osdoba was on the Bima, all the time, while thousands protested the Aliyah to the Fake Rabbonim Imposter’s.
Rabbi Osdoba could have scored a Zillion points had he asked the Impostor to step down in order to make Sholom.
Rabbi Osdoba refusal to back down for the sake of Sholom, while thousands in 770 protested the unlawful Aliyah, shows that R. Osdoba favors Machlokes rather than compromise, even on Rosh Hashono, even in font of a Sefer Torah and Even in front of the Rebbe.
WORTH POSTING AGAIN
"Has anyone given thought to the fact that since the Rabonim saga is a controversial and explosive issue in CH, it might have been wise on the Gaboim’s part not to have given these men Aliyahs, thus preventing any potential for fighting and acrimony?"
THIS COMMENT IS FROM ONE OF THE MANY COMMENTS ABOVE. I THINK IT IS WORTH REPEATING… and i would like to add that Achdus is not Ahavas Yisroel. the Rebbe set the example to be uncompromising in our values, even if it offends others. simple examples are: he wouldn’t call a reform rabbi by the name Rabbi, he wouldn’t call the state by the name Israel. many of the Mivtzaim were controversial. Tefilin, girls lighting Shabbos candles, giant Menorahs. for these and other things, Achdus was not an issue.
the problem here was the open Sefer Torah. but the instigators knew whom they were dealing with and decided to test the waters. they got their answer!
R- Osdoba - a true mentch!!!
Rabbi Osdoba DID score a zillion points!!!
He is a true mentch in the face of all this adversity, set forth by Shvei’s crowd (Krause etc…)
I commend the letter written here, and hope more of the older generation speak out favorably about the Rebbe’s desires, the Beis Din (pre-Shvei), R’Osdoba and R’Heller (who w/ R’Marlow A"H kept their issues behind closed doors) and Moshiach Now!!!!!!
really impressed
Wow!
From the comments here about 770 on yom Kippur, it really shows that the
Rabbonim can work everything out by themselves, like big kids behind closed doors without the whole CH knowing about it, AND – there are still some optimistic people in CH who can come out and say – YES, Yom Kippur Davening this year in 770 was inspiring and bachdus!!
P.S. – To all those writing comments about spell check – ever heard of typos? Please! Get over yourselves! – (and I’m sure its you guys who are doing your comments in word before posting…..)
Blaming the VICTIM for Screaming
Several prior comments pointed out, that it was entirely the fault of the Gabbai who gave the Aliyah to a controversial person, and he alone is to blame and the not all the VICTIMS who screamed out in a pain, calling for "Hatzala", Figuratively, in SELF DEFENSE.
Unfortunately, in 770 the Call for Hatzala often and regularly, disrupts the Tefilos.
The Rebbe once stopped Kol Nidrey for an ENTIRE HOUR, while just one individual needed medical attention, while THOUSANDS Chassidim waited and all of the Tefilos in 770 were on hold, Yom Kipur Night.
Let’s not BLAME the VICTIM, of a crime, who is protesting, while being attacked, figuratively, calling for "Help", or Hatazalah or calling for Shomrim etc.
Caring member of CH
While everyone is getting all worked up and intolerant about the recent behavior of the messianics, I would like to make a point.
I am directing this to everyone including the writer of this letter.
What we saw in 770 on RH was a result of negligence over the past 12 years. This unauthoritated behavior began long ago, and it has evolved over the years.
Most of us refused to pay attention to it back then, this was for many reasons. Amongst others, no one was able and/or ready to say that these messianic fascists have totally deviated from the Rebbe’s kavana.
We always knew, that the way to test something if it is consistent to the kavana or not, is to look at it’s results.
If that’s the case then where were we over the 12 years while this movement was growing into the cancer that it is now?. There were those that detected long ago what they are all about and left 770.
(Although I am of the opinion that we should have never left 770, but I could not blame someone for doing so. If there are loose dogs running around in your basement you will not go down there until they are exterminated).
So basically it is our own fault that this is occurring now. We took the path of being sympathetic to their cause all these years, now we are really suffering. And we aint seen nothing yet.
Unless we will once and for all openly denounce that group and its leaders as difficult as it may be. Otherwise we will end up in unimaginable places.
Observer
Shlomie Drimmer, you’re way out of line, unless it’s not you who actually wrote those things against the Rov and against an eidah shleimah of bochurim tmimim yirei shomayim. You claim that the issue in your letter is meant to address the issue of Shul decorum, but in truth you chose to utilize most of your letter towards defaming and character assasination of those who had nothing to do with this fiasco. The afoementioned brings me to believe that either your letter was hijacked by those whos only wish is to ruin the reputation of hundreds of bochurim by focusing on the actions of a handful of rabble rousers, or you are just plain and simply uninformed. You claim that the main gist of your letter was peace, unfortunately it took on the mantra of "fighting" for peace. Like the quote goes, "ess vet zich gissen blut in dee gassen, ober sholem vet zien".
NON MESHICHISST OR ANTI
Caring member of CH wrote:
Most of us refused to pay attention to it back then, this was for many reasons. Amongst others, no one was able and/or ready to say that these messianic fascists have totally deviated from the Rebbe’s kavana.
WHO ARE YOU TRYING TO FOOL? YOU KNOW THE REBBES KAVANAH? FREMDE PEOPLE LOOK IN THE SICHES AND UNDERSTAND THAT THE MESHICHISTN ARE NOT TO BLAME. BUT YOU GUYS HAVE A PROBLEM HOW TO "INTERPRATATE" THE SICHOS THEY SHOULD BE IN ACCORDANCE TO WHAT YOU THINK IS THE REBBES KAVANAH FOR THE PERSONAL REASON THAT MAY BE.
WE ARE IN A DILEMA THE MESHICHISTIM ARE EXTREME BELIEVERS AND THE SO CALLED ANTI’S HAVE A BIGGER PROBLEM. I RECOMEND TO STOP FIGHTING THE MESHICHISTIM, IGNORE THEM AND START SERIOUSLY THINKING ABOUT DOING WHAT EVERYBODY AGREES: BRINGING MOSHIACH BY TEACHING YINYONAY GEULA UMOSHIACH, BE MEKAREV YIDN THEY SHOULD BE AWARE OF MOSHIACH AND GEULA AS PER THE CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS OF THE REBBE THAT THE ONLY AVOYDO LEFT IS TO "MEKABEL ZAYN PNEY MOSHIACH TZIDKEINU". CHAG SAMEACH
s. katz
I remember learning that how does one know if their actions are a result of being influenced by the yetzer hora?
If the end results are not good, then the yetzer hora was definitely involved.
In this case it seems that the satan was wearing a zeidene kapote.
still a Meshichist!
hello? HELLO?!
yom kippur just was.
i have heard (i live out of country) from your comments, it was beautiful.
it’s a clean slate now! Enough already with the evil talk!
Why do you think all the crimes are so heavy now?! Because you (like little kids) DONT STOP!
ENOUGH ALREADY!
Moshiach NOW!
Amen.
ANTIQUE DEALER
REB
\SHLOMO SHLIT”A CHAZAK CHAZAK MOSHIACH IS ON THE WAY