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Brazen Missionary Preaches Gospel in 770

On Wednesday, Hoshana Raba, a man claiming to be Jewish entered 770 and began chatting with an Israeli bochur about the gospel and J.C. with the aid of a Hebrew translator.

The bochur was unaware of the missionary’s intentions, but a few bystanders got wind of what was happening and ejected the men from the synagogue.

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  • Milhouse

    The Rebbe would not have been so forceful in this situation. Whatever happened to the mivtzoim of teffilin? This man clearly needs to reconnect with his Jewish neshama and the bochurim present should have jumped at the opportunity to help him.

    • Jewish

      Claiming to be Jewish. Who said hes Jewish?! He could be faking for all we vulnerable people know.

    • Milhouse

      Whoever wrote that comment is a fraud, stealing my name. Use your own name, if you dare.

      And yes, the Rebbe had zero tolerance for a meisis, since that is what the Torah says. He would have thrown the man out, just as was done. Even if the man was Jewish (which we don’t know), the mitzvah of ahavas yisroel does not apply to him, and we are not allowed to judge him favorably. We learned that in Rashi just last week — have you forgotten already? Or don’t you learn chumash?

      Anyway, stop stealing my name.

    • Dov

      Rich comment, Milhouse — who stole your name? For that matter, whose name did YOU steal?

      Just curious, how do they call you for an aliyah?… “Milhouse ben Seymour Poindexter, Shlishi”?

      C’mon, you’re not fooling anyone.

    • Milhouse

      I have an online identity and a reputation, and it is outright fraud for someone else to make comments in my name. My offline names are irrelevant, the point is that online I am consistently known as “Milhouse”, not just at this site but across many sites. Nobody who sees a comment in my name thinks it’s from someone else. This impostor is deliberately impersonating me, and that is certainly immoral, and quite possibly illegal.

    • Ariel

      Milhouse, do we know you personally? Every Milhouse on another website is basically you? My advice to you would be to file a complaint to the police or FBI. If you are serious.

    • Milhouse

      You don’t need to know me in the flesh; you know me online. And this fraudster is impersonating me. You don’t get the FBI involved in every petty crime, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t a crime. Identity theft is a crime, even if they don’t steal any money.

    • CHer

      Calm down Reb Poindexter. Your imposter has double your sechel and half your issues.
      You should be happy someone’s thinking critically on your behalf.

    • CHLEAKS.COM

      I happen to agree with Milhouse (the real one) on this issue of using someone else identity.

    • so what else is new?

      Are you really what your name indicates? a Chaya?! with your sinas chinam you very well fit the part!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • antimeshichist

      to nos:

      They also use mekoros in torah, their whole religion is based on the Torah (Judaism).

      And by the way…my comment was meant to be sarcastic yet truthful.

      The Meshichistim do the same with the Rebbes words (Sicohs) as the guy above is doing with G-ds words (Torah).

      “The bochur was unaware of the missionary’s intentions,”

      Why? Because his words were nicely dressed in things he heard before v’dal.

  • antimeshichist

    But he really really believes with a true heart (Emuna P’Shuta). Why we must we be all hating and “anti” on him, all hes doing is expressing what he believes ?

    • nos

      because he has no makor in torah and is going against the torah
      whereas the meshichisten have mekoros in torah and the rebbes sichos

    • so what else is new?

      so if someone will come to you and tell you he really and truly and genuinely believes that you should eat chazer or kill your parents would you have the ahavas something (because we don’t know if he is even Jewish) and listen to him or for that matter allow him to go on with his brainwashing?????

    • Milhouse

      Absolutely. There is no comparison at all. If all he wanted was to say that Jesus will come back and be Moshiach, that would be comparable to Meshichism — and in that case it wouldn’t be so bad. Chazal had no problem with the early Christians, who were frumme yidden who happened to believe that their dead rebbe was Moshiach. The problem started when Xianity was taken over by antisemitic pagans, and turned into mamash avodah zarah.

    • Muddlehouse

      Where do you find that Yoshke was accepted by Chazal?
      In fact where do you find that he had followers (as a Rebbe??)
      Furthermore, there is much reason to believe that he never was (even some goyishe theologians subscribe to that notion.)
      Anyway, if he did exist he had a small store-front shtieble, and was seen standing outside waiting for a tenth for borchu. On Shabbos.

    • Milhouse

      You seem to have problems with reading and comprehension. Where did I say that Chazal accepted him? I know of no evidence that they ever met him, or heard of him while he was alive (though it’s possible). But the NT says that after his death, his brother Yankel was on good terms with the Prushim (i.e. Chazal), and there’s no indication otherwise in any other source, so it’s probably true.

      There was no reason for Chazal to be opposed to the early Xians (Yankel and his chevra). They weren’t doing anything wrong. The opposition to Xians began when Paul’s shkotzim took Xianity over and turned it into an antisemitic and pagan religion.

  • mom

    Who was the translator? Surely he knew something was fishy! Re: his yalmalka, he probably borrowed it.
    This man (assuming his Jewishness could be verified) SHOULD have been referred to a ‘cult buster’.
    As Milhouse said, he is still a holy neshoma (assuming of course he IS jewish)

    • Milhouse

      I said nothing of the sort, and I don’t agree with it. Some fraud stole my name. Even assuming, without any basis, that he is Jewish, a meisis is different; it is forbidden to be melamed zechus on a meisis, and a mitzvah to be melamed chovah on him.

  • NO NEED TO WONDER HOW THE REBBE WOULD RESPOND

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C9I-MhRAlU

    Here is a very powerful & clear exchange between the Rebbe and a Jewish man at dollars who actually tried to speak to the Rebbe about Yushka ( l’havdil)

    The Rebbe was very stern, told him that he is very sick ( and pointed out that the sickest people think they are healthy – a tragedy of mental illness in general ) & took the booklet he was handing out so that “he couldn’t give it to someone else.” Watch how the Rebbe throws this tomeh booklet down with pure disgust at the end of the video.

  • To #12 Milhouse

    Of course Chazal had serious issues with the early xtians. Did you ever learn a blat of gemara?

    • Milhouse

      I have learned many blatt of gemara. There is only one mention of a Xian in all of Shas (“a certain philosopher”), and it’s not that negative. There is no indication in Shas that Chazal had any objection at all to the Xians, until they wrote birkas haminim, which was after the church had been taken over by antisemitic goyim. (It probably wasn’t yet avoda zara at that time, though it was quickly headed there.)

    • CHLEAKS.COM

      To Milhouse:

      So how long will it take for Meshichistim to be Officially avoda zara? Must we wait until it’s to late?

      In my eyes (as I’ve made it clear on my website) they are already there.

    • Milhouse

      There is no indication that they are headed in that direction. Xianity didn’t become avoda zara until after it was taken over and completely reformed by pagan antisemites. The Rebbe took steps to prevent that particular fate from happening to Chabad: his insistence on giyur kehalocho, and his emphatic separation of sheva mitzvos from outreach to our fellow yidden.

      Indeed, the huge emphasis Chabad Chassidus places on the unique status of a Jew should be enough to prevent any Lubavitcher from making the mistake that the early Xians did, and which proved their undoing. Welcoming unconverted goyim into their movement as equal members may have seemed like a good idea at the time, but when they became the majority they took it over and changed it to what they were used to. I don’t see even the Tsfatim making that mistake, let alone the normal meshichisten.

  • MISSIONARY INFILTRATION

    Do you realize there is a missionary (probably from their new center) responding on the comments to try and make xianity seem acceptable?!
    Don’t think for one second they don’t read our blogs!!!

    • Milhouse

      Really? I don’t see any comments here that make Xianity seem acceptable. Which comments seem that way to you?

  • CHLEAKS.COM

    I don’t need to compare Christianity with Meshichistim to make my case against Meshichistim.

    All I need to do is compare Meshichistim to Meshichistim.

    “one good deed will bring another good deed, one transgression will bring another transgression,” (Pirkei Avot 4:2)

    There is no need to get in to old debates. We now have 20 years of Meshichisim/Yechi for evidence.

    We have 20 years of Machlokes (strife), acts of violence (were Jewish blood has been spilled), court cases, frivolous lawsuits and R”L Mesira (with intention of locking up innocent Jews). All coming out of the Meshichist camp (from all “types”* of Meshichistim) and always justified and excused by anybody who considers himself a Meshichist.

    We have hundreds if not thousands (generations) of youth ruined. Generations of ignorant, lowlife violent thugs, who are worse then those those who officially go off the way r”l.

    Nothing good has come out of the Meshichist movement.

    *”Types of Meshichistim”: I don’t believe in different Types of Meshichistim, they are all the same, all “types” have been either personally involved or justified and excused acts of violence, vandalism and Mesira, from the “Tzvati” type to the Yaakov Spritzer, Mendel Hendel and Chanina Sperlin (to name a few) type, their all the same.