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• JAIL TIME FOR SAYING L-CHAIM

  WOW.NEXT WEEK ON PURIM HALF OF CROWN HIGHTS WILL BE THROWN IN JAIL FOR SAYING L’CHAIM.

• not even driving!

  and he was not even driving a car!!!!

• jail house

  i wonder if the cops arrest goyim for the same thing? if they did ,they would have a full jail house!!

• chresident

  well at least we know why they cant be busy finding killers and guys with guns

• Moish

  Guys,

  Get a life!

  If you want law & order, take it! Maybe you should start abiding by the laws for once.

  Yes, public drunkeness is illegal. So is fighting off a cop. I wonder what you would all say if you were to see a non-jew drunk in public?

• Mendel on Montgomery

  Was the guy a Tsfati? Druk or one of those meshichisten mehugannas? The cops were ccorrect. And clap the trap on Purim- the cops know what to do on holidays.

• YOU GET A LIFE MOISH!

  ATT MOISH: THATS WHAT EVERONE IS TRYING TO SAY;THAT IF IT WAS A NONJEW PUBLICLY DRUNK ( WICH I CAN FIND YOU ONE OUTSIDE ANY SECOND OF THE DAY!) WOULD THE POLICE ATTEMT TO ARREST HIM? NOT AT ALL!!!!!!!! MAYBE SINCE IT HAPPENS TOO OFTEN I DUNNO BUT THE GUY WOULD DEFINETELLY FIGHT OFF THE POLICE IF HE ATTEMTED TO ARREST HIM ESPECIALLY SINCE HE’S DRUNK

• Moish

  Att: YOU GET A LIFE MOISH!;

  You haven’t answered. Would you like justice and order, or would you rather just complain about not having it?

  Just a thought: How often are there farbrengens somewhere in CH? Is it safe to say nightly? Every other night? There are always jews roaming the streets drunk as well. Obviously not to the extent as the unfortunate bochur of last night.

• zalman

  ok look these cops are brand new to this job they have no clue what they are doing they just came out of the scademy a few weeks ago and came here brcause the crime IS so high they are just trying to show off they have no clue what the hell they are doing
  this is not what we need we need the real thing under cover cops to go around and catch the real bad ones

• NYPD

  ugh, what a chilliel hashem! why did he have to get violent with the cop??!!
  plain stupidity.
  im happy that thier were police, and im happy that he got arrested. it shows that we have good protection now. maybe the bochur learnt his lesson and he wont drink anymore and act like a bi’haymah! some people just need to stay away from mashkeh.
  sorry but i cant say i disagree with this.

• long time resident

  To Moish and all:

  It’s true that we have to accept the good with the bad – now that the police are around, we should be more careful to obey the laws we are lax in (we should be obeying them anyway, really)
  However, arresting a guy for WALKING drunk is virtually unheard of in NY, I see non-Jews stoned all the time, never get arrested. Just last week, I took a detour around a (black) guy stumbling around on Crown & Kingston.

  Could it be… that the police want us to regret our demnd of having their presence, so they are "harrasing" us within legal limits? I think so
  There is something very smelly going on in the 71st, maybe some corrupt cops being payed off by the gangs to look the other way What do you think?

• MADDMOM

  Maybe they can do something about shuls and "farbrengens" that don’t stop kids from taking alcohol too.

• Jews Wishing This On Other Jews???

  YOU GUYS GOT IT ALL WRONG!!!!

  What is wrong with all of you?! Wishing a Bochur should get arrested?! Are you all messed in the head?!

  The Bochur was sitting in a Farbrengen in 770 and had too much to drink and was going home, there was no reason for him to get arrested! One think though is that he really should have had someone walk him back to his dorm, and not walk alone on Kingston Ave.

  Now to say “Why did he fight Police?” is quite clear! HE WAS DRUNK, and probably HALUCINATING along with it so when he was approached he may have gotten scared thinking someone was trying to mug him.

  Shame on those of you whishing such bad on other Jews!

  Though I do believe that Shul’s that provide free flowing alcohol to people of any age should be cracked down on. You all remember what had happened last year when the 12 year old boy was found passed out on Crown St. Child Services got involved and the Shul got a heavy fine. So stop being evil and wishing such terrible thing upon people, just be smart and responsible!

• know it all

  for all those making derogatory comments about tsfati’s. I know who it was, and it is one of our fellow crown heights bochurim. The story was twisted a bit

• lightbulb

  guys, according to the article, i dont think the bochur was arrested for actually being drunk. it says that

  "a patrolling police officer noticed the Boucher on Kingston and Union not walking straight (all over the place) and approached him, the Boucher immediately turned violent and attempted to fight off the police officer."

  so the question is: what does it mean when the cop "approached" him? what did the cop say, or do?
  2nd, why did the bochur become "violent"?

  what im saying is that i think the bochur was arrested for becoming violent.
  (note that it was an israeli bochur…. maybe one from the tishrei crew?)

• BS

  I don’t understand all this comments… you don’t judge a person, let’s just Daven that everything will be OK with him… it doesn’t matter who it is, or where he comes from, the fact is he is a Jew…..

• Ariyeh Leib Segall

  We are overlooking an obvious answer….]
  There needs to be someone in the Hancholo – Administration- A responsible person, to whom the Police can Bring the Bochurim to watch over them & Avoid such unecessary Jail time…

• NotLQQking4aFight

  attn: jews wishing this on other jews…

  it wasnt right that he walk around ch drunk. it was correct for the police officer to stop him. maybe it was INcorrect that the cop arrest him, however if the bochur doesnt know how to control himself, if he knows that he will become like an animal when he drinks.. he should be smart enough to know not to drink, or to not drink so much.
  if i were a cop, and i saw someone in the street drunk, i wouldnt just sit and watch. drunk people have the potential to do property damage and become violent with anyone (or anything). they also tend to get very noisy (and at such an hour im sure no one in the neighborhood would find that amusing). im glad the cop stopped him (im not saying though he should have been arrested) the cop could have escorted him home, and if that couldnt happen then yes i guess arresting him was the only solution.

  i think we can all take this as a lesson to watch how much we drink, and if we cant control ourselves then just dont take that drink. its not a mitzvah to hurt your body and act like an idiot.
  on top of all that, we have to show the NYPD and everyone else that we are a sane community. how do you think they will react when they see that we keep requestion police patrol, and protection and then they see that we are getting stopped and arrested for being drunk in the street.
  i think that bochur should be ashamed of himself for making a mockery of himself, his family, and this community. we dont need bochurim like that here.
  if your going to drink, make sure you have a friend that will remain sober who can escort you home. because the other option is a cop to escort you… and that wont be to your own home.
  please everyone, dont let this happen again. just dont drink if you know this will happen to you.
  i support the cop for doing what he/she did.
  i know that 85% of you are all going to disagree with me, bring it on. lol

• private

  What a chilul hashem. Perhaps we should be more careful with the amount of alcohol we drink! and remember why we are drinking to be b’simcha not to chas v’shalom do the opposite!

• anonymous 3

  to NYPD:
  you wrote "and im happy that he got arrested. it shows that we have good protection now."

  1. you’re HAPPY he got arrested?!?!?!? are you completely insane?! how could you possibly be happy that another jew got arrested?!

  2. yeah, it really shows we have great protection. i’ve never felt safe before at president and kingston, i’m glad that i could finally walk there at night feeling safe.

• time to wait and see.

  i think we should back off a bit and wait and see if indeed the cops will do there job.

• BrookAve

  I’m moving to Midwood Street. Full of drunks, anytime of day and night, but the cops dont go there. I will feel much safer, in case I take more mashke than usual and stumble home.

• President George W. Bush

  I believe the Grand Rebbe Schneerson instructed the Hassidim against over imibibing. This unfortunate incident, which was a desecration of the Name of Al-mighty G-d, should serve an important lesson for all young Jewish people. Namely, "Stop drinking alcohol!" You can be quite happy by learning the holy Torah, schmoozing with friends, or simply by going on a brisk walk.

  Personally, I used to drink but I stopped long ago and am now quite happy. I urge the Hassidic community to behave as HaShem and the Rebbe want you to behave, and as befits those who are called "My Firstborn" in the holy Torah.

  As Hassidim you must set the best and most beautiful example for all people, including police officers, that you walk with HaShem Al-mighty.

  Imagine that you had an appointment to see the President of the United States. Tell me, would you consider, even for a moment, to drink alcohol before meeting the President? Never!

  Well, HaShem, who is the supreme King of Kings, is much, much greater than the President, and He is everywhere, and at all times. So, how on earth could a Hasidic person even consider being tipsy? It is simply wrong, and maybe even sinful.

  My humble suggestion is that the Hassidim need to start diligently spreading the ‘7 Divine Laws of the Children of Noah’ as commanded to Moses at Mount Sinai.

  Here are several sites to "bookmark" and spread:

  1. http://www.bnainoach.com/ti…

  2. http://www.bneinoach.org/ne…

  3. http://jdstone.org/cr/pages…

  May HaShem bless you all, and G-d bless America.

• Tzfati

  The bochur was not arrested for being drunk. the Cop approached him to make sure he was okay, but he wasnt so he started fighting with the cop. NEVER FIGHT WITH AN NYPD OFFICER! tell him you’re sorry and you’ll be more careful.

  Besides being drunk, this bachur was stupid, and fought with the cop, to the degree that he had to call backup. EIGHT cops it took to subdue this guy.

  I dont wish this on anyone, but if you’re going to act as if you own the PD, then you’re bringing it on yourself.

• informed

  to president bush:

  I agree with you, too much of a good thing isn’t good. I’d just like to point out though,
  I beleive the 7 laws of noah are just that, they were commanded to NOAH not Moses on Mt. Sinai.

  To all those condeming the NYPD:.

  This bochur was not arrested for walking drunk, being drunk or anything in between! He was arrested because of something he did which caused the cops to apraoch him in the first place. Had he not fought with the police he would’ve been much better off, but when they approached him it was already with reason to arrest him!
  I will not go into details, but I will say that there are some immportant facts missing from the report of what happened here.

  to webby:

  Gr8 coverage, in keeping us updated on the stories, and bringing us all the stories even when no-one else has them yet!

  Please do us a favor and find out what really happened here.

• Barney

  Come on, "informed".

  If you know hard facts, let them be heard and stop all this arguing.

• continuation of tzfati

  AND HE THREW GLASS BOTTLES AT THE NYPD VEHICLE AND THE COPS THAT WERE THERE AT THE TIME CORNER AND WHEN HE WAS BROUGHT TO THE POLICE STATION HE WAS TRIPPING OVER HIS OWN FEET AND WOULD NOT FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS THAT WERE GIVIN TO HIM (EG.THEY TOLD HIM TO SIT AND HE WOULD NOT BUDGE.) SO HE BRAUGHT IT ON HIMSELF.
  (if u look on the corner of president and kingston by the police rv on the street you will see broken glass on the sreet whitch is a danger not only to the cops going in and out of it but also people walking by so if you have children, younger brothers or sisters think about them and he got what was coming towards him.)

• leave the voilence to someone else

  even if he was mad its no use getting voilent b/c u dont get anywhere besides jail

• To all those that drink to get drunk:

  the rebbe said that a person under 40 years of age saying l’chaim at a farbrengen should not exceed 4 l’chaims. (4 shots)
  A shot is not a full cup its one ounce.
  and u dont have to get drunk to be happy or say l’chaim even if you are in depresion then you should go spaek to your rabbi not get drunk and do something stupid.
  there in nothing wrong with having a drink onece in a while (if it makes you feel better)but dont do somthing stipid you might hurt yourself and others and even might be lucky to spend a nights in jail.

• from one jew to another

  to all you jews do not post a comment or voice your opinion untill you know the facts on what happened and stop judging people because people will start judging you

• donk know dont talk

  Jews Wishing This On Other Jews??? wrote:
  YOU GUYS GOT IT ALL WRONG!!!!

  What is wrong with all of you?! Wishing a Bochur should get arrested?! Are you all messed in the head?!

  The Bochur was sitting in a Farbrengen in 770 and had too much to drink and was going home, there was no reason for him to get arrested! One think though is that he really should have had someone walk him back to his dorm, and not walk alone on Kingston Ave.

  Now to say “Why did he fight Police?” is quite clear! HE WAS DRUNK, and probably HALUCINATING along with it so when he was approached he may have gotten scared thinking someone was trying to mug him.

  Shame on those of you whishing such bad on other Jews!

  Were you there?????????????
  well? hmmmmmmm!!!!!???????

  didnt think so
  he threw glass bottles at the cops before they even approched him.
  and yes they shuld crack down on drinking before purim so no one gets hurt or ARRESTED

• informed

  Attn: All bickering speculators

  Please don’t argue and accuse people (the bochur or the NYPD) before you walked a mile in their shoes, or at least have all the facts straight. I’ll tip you off a bit here, but there is a lot more that I will not say to protect the innocent (, and the guilty).

  >>
  The bochur:

  A) Was drunk
  B) Was NOT arrested for being drunk
  C) Did NOT throw bottles at the police officers
  D) Did not obey the police officers’ orders

  >>>>
  Getting drunk:

  People should never be getting drunk. (There is a big difference between saying L’chaim & getting drunk.)
  Getting drunk is unnecessary, unhealthy and dangerous (to oneself, as well as others).

  >>>>>>
  Morals:

  It isn’t right to wish for someone to get arrested, however it is also not right to blame the police for doing their job. When a person (Jew or gentile alike) commits a crime, they must realize there are consequences to be paid.

  >>>>>>>>
  The NYPD:

  The police are assigned the task of keeping our communities safe and crime-free. In doing so they don’t always catch every crime before it happens. When they do they arrest the criminal(s), and you never hear about it. If they C"V don’t they must investigate, discover who is at fault, and deal with it from there. When they see someone commit a crime, they must and will arrest them. So don’t complain if they arrest a bochur who committed a crime, it IS their job, a job WE NEED them to do.

  (Don’t get me wrong, I’m not at all happy a bochur got arrested, I’m happy that law and order is not being forsaken. I’d of course be much happier if the bochur never committed the crime in the first place making the massive Chillul HaShem that he did.)

  After a crime has been committed C"V, the police must then investigate to determine who did it.
  There are a few ways to do this:
  1. Ask witnesses
  2. Check surveillance tapes
  3. Investigate the crime scene
  4. Watch the crime scene, (criminals have been proven to return to the scene of a crime after it is committed).

  Posting more VISIBLE patrols does not help solve the case. It helps prevent new ones. A criminal will NOT come back to a seen to be caught if there are three cops standing there. However, if there are undercover cops there they might catch him.

  There ARE more undercover patrols around CH recently, and if you haven’t noticed them, it just means they’re doing a good job being undercover!

  The police ARE working overtime now to solve the murder case, as well as protect the community from future incidents.

  Until you actually speak to the police and see what they ARE doing, don’t condemn them for not doing anything.

  THE POLICE ARE WORKING HARD, AND DESERVE OUR PRAISE!

  **********
  THANK YOU NYPD!
  **********

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  To Tzfati:

  Please do us a favor; don’t ‘scream’ (which means don’t write in CAPITAL LETTERS ONLY), and please make your comments more legible and comprehensible.

  And again please think twice before judging someone else:
  A) Imagine you were the topic of discussion, and think how you’d appreciate someone else writing [whatever you want to write] about you.
  B) Realize everything here is read by thousands of people daily, and can either be a Kiddush HaShem or C"V the opposite.
  C) Take into consideration that you may not know all the facts about a story, as is clearly evident in this case.

  And thanks for reading
  Yours Truly,

• to informed

  are you a news reporter, spy, investigator or just someone who listens to 10 storys and and them sums it up, or do you actually have the police or someone that says they were there and you take their word??????????????????????????????????????

• to informed

  sorry he was holding a bottle about to throw at the officer, but he DID throw a bottle or two at the police command post

• Informed

  Re: to informed

  Although I do appreciate you compliments, I am not a news reporter, or I would have my own news outlet. I am not a spy or someone who concocts a story out of ten other ones. I do however see things, and sometimes comment about them. In this case i did see and hear things, as well as heard from a number of reliable sources the facts that support what I wrote. However I prefer not to list them all to protect the privacy of the innocent (and the guilty).

  As for the bottle throwing,
  I quote my self saying:
  "C) Did NOT throw bottles at the police officers"
  I never mentioned the police command post, only the officers. And as you yourself admit he did not throw any bottles at the officers.

  I did not mention that he threw the bottle(s) at the command post, as I said earlier to protect the innocent (and the guilty).
  >>
  I don’t condone airing other peoples dirty laundry for them, and therefore didn’t bring up any new unsatisfactory issues. The only reason I posted in the first place was to stop all this baseless bickering & speculation on both sides of the story.

• zusha dean

  I am a criminal defense attorney representing another bochur, non-Israeli, who was arrested at the same time as described above at or near President and Kingston for actions arising out of possible drunkenness.

  It might be that these two incidents are related.
  Or it might be that they are actually the same with some inaccuracies in the reporting.

  1. If anyone has any information regarding either or both incidents, could you please contact me to aid in this bochur’s defense?

  2. Could the author of the above article contact me to compare notes?

  3. If there are any actual witnesses, could they contact me?

  Thank you,

  Zusha Dean
  aka Stephen Dean
  Brooklyn Defender Services
  718-254-0700 x120
  sdean@bds.org