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• Like kamtza and bar kamtza

  Do whatever u can to take revenge and get ur fellow yidden in trouble….the goyim love this , and in the end its no good for anyone.
  It’s the 3 weeks, learn from history and stop making the same old mistakes over and over.
  Its not just about u. Realize how your actions affect others.

• Anonymous

  I know who it was!
  It was פנחס בן אלעזר בן אהרון הכהן

  • to pinchas

    but Pinchas went to confirm with Moshe Rabbenu

• Ma Rabbi

  Hate crime? Is that not absurd?
  When a black hits a Jew its not a hate crime.
  But when a Jew rips down an Eruv [which is a wrong thing to do] they call that a “hate crime.”

• Feffer

  Mei’hem yir’u v’chein ya’asu! Yasherkocham! Why did they not do it this week too?!

  • Milhouse

    Feffer, you are a rosho, openly encouraging this criminal activity. By supporting the vandals you share in their aveira.

    Every rov in Crown Heights who does not publicly condemn the vandalism, and certainly every rov (such as R Segal) who justifies it as הלכה ואין מורין כן, is guilty. That is the standard the Rebbe applied to the Satmar rabbonim, so how is this different? Who doesn’t remember the Rebbe screaming אם לא יגיד ונשא עוונו, that it was not just permitted but an obligation to masser the criminals?

  • Pedant

    Milhous

    Every CH chabad rov pakens that it’s posul and you beat on your pot at every opportunity to tell the community that their rabbonim are ignorant and they should be ignore in favor of outsiders and internet poseurs like you.

    If you are rov qualified to weigh in, then make yourself public, the whole it’s dangerous wah terrorists in nonsense, Shuchat and Vosner and Tzubeli say high, and come out and pasken.

    As it is your main contribution is to dampen the communities respect in their rabbonim, suggesting that they favor you internet comment halachic discourses.

  • Milhouse

    Pedant, the sources and the facts speak for themselves, and anyone can look them up. Rabbonim who ignore them and make up both halochos and facts don’t deserve any respect.

    Just to take one example, the fact that Brooklyn is surrounded by a wall on three sides (even ignoring the mechitzas habatim on the fourth side) is enough to destroy all their arguments, even if they would otherwise hold water (which they mostly don’t). The wall won’t go away just because they ignore it.

  • Ezra

    As long as Milhouse refuses to identify himself by name, whatever he writes and whatever he claims has no more weight than any random pashkevil. If he thinks he’s got sources that allow the building of such an eruv, then he needs to put his name behind his arguments; the rabbonim of Crown Heights aren’t going to engage with some shadowy Internet commenter, nor should they be expected to.

  • Milhouse

    My sources are the Shulchon Oruch, and every posek who has ever written on the subject. It’s the opponents who have no sources and are reduced to ignoring facts and inventing new ones, and to hunting for obscure chumros that they can pile together and claim is a consensus. Just open a few seforim, or ask any expert in the field of eruvin.

  • Ezra

    מילתא דעבידא לאיגלויי לא משקרי אינשי; so what does that make someone who lies about something well-known? Clearly no איניש.

    Everyone knows that R. Moshe Feinstein, to quote one posek, was against an eruv in Brooklyn. So your “every posek who has ever written on the subject” is fraudulent on its face. If you’re going to argue that you know Shulchan Aruch better than him (and also, while you’re at it, better than the signatories on the Agudas Harabbanim’s letter of 5739: R. Hirschprung, R. Aharon Soloveitchik, R. Dworkin, etc.), then yes, you are going to have to supply a name to go with it, so that we can evaluate for ourselves what are Ploni ben Ploni’s credentials.

  • Pedant

    No one says you can’t have your own opinion. But even if you are absolutely correct about the halacha, the way you are going about this is wicked.

    As a thought experiment, let us say that you are R’ Zalman Nechemia Goldberg Shlita, and that you pasken that you’ve the right to reach out and to declare the gamut of the community’s rabonnim not just wrong but ‘Ignorant,’ would you also pasken that the appropriate format for publicizing this truth is in the form of legal arguments in internet comment sections under pseudonym? That’s strains credibility.

    And what if you’re right in this instance, do you also hold that you are the last man standing who can come into a public comment section and claim legal authority based on the “ Shulchon Oruch, and every posek who has ever written on the subject” and cancel the validity of the psak of every single community Rabbi? Do you pasken that all the yidden reading the blog should just research hilchos eruvin and decide for themselves. That’s absurd.

    That’s why we have Rabbonim.

    Again, this isn’t about you, or even about an eruv, this is about the role of rabbonim in the internet era where any yodea sefer comes into the comments section with absolute confidence and an halachic song about how he is right and all the rabbonim are wrong and that everyone needs to ignore the rabbonim and go to the sources (or rely on chest pounding, brash assertions made in the comment sections?). This is about the fabric of the Jewish community itself. What you are doing is evil, you may have good intentions and you may actually believe that an eruv in Brooklyn is possible beyond any controversy, but until you drop the pseudonym and cash in on your authority nobody should listen to you.

  • Ezra

    Well said, Pedant. In fact, that was one of the famous objections to the Shulchan Aruch when it was first published – that it will be used to undermine the authority of local rabbonim, because every two-bit balebos will now think he knows the halachah. Milhouse ought to take a look at Maharsha to Sotah 22b, ד”ה ירא, about the harm caused by paskening straight from the Shulchan Aruch without שימוש חכמים.

• To comment #1

  Amazing how your not disgusted this ganef ripped down a eruv that dont belong to him. he should be locked up!!

• Milhouse

  One who vandalizing a communal eruv is מיצר את הרבים, and it is permitted to masser him.

• Anonymous

  “Chabad news site col live” since when is Col a “chabad” news site?

• Anonymous

  crowen heights is the lubavitcher rebbes community and from what is written in this articale it says that the rebbe was against the eruv so how could they put it up? and then complain when it comes down!!!?

• Milhouse

  The “hate crime” thing is absurd. The vandals didn’t commit this crime because they hate the eruv-makers for their religion; the vandals share the exact same religion, so how could they hate them for it? Lubavitch and Modern Orthodoxy are not separate religions! They are different approaches to and paths within the same religion, they share the same beliefs, and recognise each other as equally valid. No, this crime was committed not out of hatred for the Orthodox Jewish faith, but as a power play, an assertion of authority over their turf, much like any street gang sending a message to the community it occupies that it is in charge.

  • Anonymous

    I understand your point about a turf war. But folks who are on the outside looking in see this as a hate crime based on one sect rejecting another sect’s religious ideology even if they are of the same faith. It would be viewed as the same if Reform would cut an erev if they didn’t want Orthodox influence in a neighborhood.

  • Milhouse

    Then that needs to be clarified. The difference between chassidus chabad and modern orthodoxy is nothing like that between Orthodox and Reform Judaism. The latter are two completely different religious; Reform has less in common with Orthodox Judaism than do most forms of Xianity! But the former are movements within the same faith, agreeing on pretty much all points of doctrine, certainly on all points that each considers important. The difference is more like that, lehavdil, between Jesuits and Benedictines. If some Jesuit hooligans were to vandalise a Benedictine monastery few would class it as a “hate crime”.

• Feffer

  Excuse me Milhouse, I’m the Rosho here?! Are you joking or what?

  You are the one that has the chutzpa to publicly protest the psak din of every single moreh hora’ah in Crown Heights and both bada”tz (in the lashon of the Rebbe, avir sheb’avirim), the badatz of which the Rebbe spoke so strongly of as necessary for all residents of the shchuna! You’re worse than the M.O. eruv builders, the CAY rebels and their ilk and and the other rebel eruv builders. Because you claim to follow the Rebbe and you openly rebel against his holy rabbonim – the ones who were mattir his nedorim (well most).

  It’s so simple, these trouble makers come in to a community in which they don’t live and is not theirs (in any stretch of the word), openly defy the wishes of 99% of dwellers and more importantly the local religious authorities and ironically build a religious structure that is a gezaira of the same chaza”l who forbid going against the prevailing local custom/rabbis. What folly this is.

  The eruv must come down!

  Live and let live! Build the eruv on your side of eastern pkwy and leave us alone.

  • Milhouse

    Yes, you are a rosho because you expresslly advocate and support the criminal destruction of property, the disruption of other people’s oneg shabbos, and the causing of chilul shabbos.

    There is no beis din of Crown Heights. It was a failed experiment. Neither of the competing factions is a legitimate beis din. Far from being holy, all these rabbonim have beclowned themselves and have brought low the reputation of the rabbinate.

    In any event, Crown Heights is not a separate city, it is part of the greater New York area, which is a city with multiple halachic authorities, so even before the split the beis din never had binding halachic authority over anyone.

    All of which is irrelevant here, since none of these rabbis is an expert in eruvin, and their “psak” is worthless. Ironically they claim that in a specialised area like eruvin one needs to consult experts, and yet they contradict every single expert in the field. Just to give one example, any “rov” who does not address the walls that surround Brooklyn has disqualified himself from any consideration. If someone thinks that these walls don’t make Brooklkyn a reshus hayochid d’oraisa, he needs to explain why, not ignore them and pretend the whole issue doesn’t exist.

    There is no such halacha that any rabbi who happens to live inside an eruv has the right to veto it. Nor even that a majority of rabbis who live in an eruv may veto it. There is no such thing as a minhag hamokom not to make eruvin; a minhag must have a halachic basis, and minhag kol yisroel has always been to make eruvin.

    The halocho is that those who want an eruv may compel the whole community to pay for it, even if they don’t want it. Be thankful that the Kol Israel people (who also live in Crown Heights, and made the eruv for their own use) don’t go to a real beis din and demand that everyone pay their share.

• Anon

  Hey Milhouse just so you know saying Xianity isn’t taking the “Christ” part out. In Greek the name begins with the Greek x so you’re just spelling it a weird way…..I know this because my husband is Greek and he informed me of it….

• jewish dude

  My question is this is the eruv kosher if yes then destroying it
  is Gilul Hasem.