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Crown Heights Rabbonim Attend Grand Satmar Tisch

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10,000 Satmar Chassidim arrived in Crown Heights for a gathering at the New York State National Guard Armory in Crown Heights last night. The Chassidim gathered to celebrate the liberation of Reb Yoel Teitelbaum of Satmar from the Nazis. He was saved on Rudolph Kastner‘s train which arrived in Switzerland on the 21st of Kislev, 1944 (5705).

In what is being hailed as a sign of unity between Lubavitch and Satmar – long seen as rivals, two rabbonim of the Crown Heights beis din, along will a small delegation from the Crown Heights community, were seated at the head table of the Tisch. Inexplicably, the Senior rov of Crown Heights, Rabbi Avrohom Osdoba, was not invited.

The Armory, located on Bedford Ave. and President St., was host to the annual Chabad Kinus Hashluchim in 2009.

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41 Comments

  • Jeff

    so let me get this straight, Rabbi Schwei and Braun attended the kinus of the Satmar Rebbe in the Armory, but not the kinus of the Lubavitcher Rebbe’s Shluchim in the very same armory.

    Hmmmm….

  • CR

    “The Chassidim gathered to celebrate the liberation of Reb Yoel Teitelbaum of Satmar from the Nazis. He was saved on Rudolph Kastner’s train which arrived in Switzerland on the 21st of Kislev, 1944 (5705).”

    And Satmar, to this very day, has never forgiven the fargrebte, farshkutzike Tziunisten for saving the Rebbe. No, they had to pay “rent” to King Hussein for their Yerushalayim mosdos at a time that the Boy King had Jewish blood red on his hands!

    No peace until they end their insane war against millions of Yidden in Eretz Yisroel!

  • we-ve come a long way

    we’ve come a long way since the Satmar’s would egg stone and insult Lubavitchers passing by their neighborhood on tahalucha…

  • FOR SHAM,E

    showing up at this seudas hodaah with out all three rabbonim represented SPECIFICALLY THE O N E CONFIRMED BY THE REBBE IS A POOR REFLECTION ON THE ONES WHO DID…… YOU WENT AS PUBLIC INDIVIDUALS REPRESNTING OUR COMMUNITY AND YOU ARE RESPONCIBLE FOR THE IMAGE YOU PROJECT….

  • Andrea Schonberger

    Amazing! I didn’t know that many people could fit inside the armory. It’s the size of a city.

  • To #1 and #3

    Why should the Rabonei Hashchuna be invited to the Kinus Hashluchim?! The Rebbe NEVER said that they should be. This was a made up story by LG.

  • kav nuki

    Only someone who is a recipient of Zionist funding will defame the Satmerer Rebbe with this sheker that he did live up to his own shita
    All of the travelers on this train paid for their ride which was funded by their families, Kastner the Zionist was one of many who negotiated with Nazis if it weren’t for the Kastner Trail this train would have been called the Satmer train

  • TO Comment number 5

    I am not one who writes comments; however i have been very disturbed by this story and by your comment in particular. You write we have come a long way and i assume it is because a delegation from Crown heights ( not Lubavitch) attended the Satmar even in the armory. the reason i refer to this group as not Lubavitch is not to g-d forbid say they are not Chassidim but to point out that in no way shape or form do they represent Lubavitch to go to a Satmar event and create the illusion that all is well. The Satmar Chassidim are jews whom we love regardless but the establishmt of Satmar attacked our Rebbe and have not yet apologized nor asked mechila and until they address the elephant in the room we are not “good” with them. i apologize if i come of sounding hateful or negative but lets face it we cannot dance with the Rebbe’s enemies until they apologize to the Rebbe.

  • Moish

    R osdoba attended the kinus hashluchim, these two had to squeeze an invite via chanina to a satmar kinus, please let them stay in satmar

  • jewishmom

    The hate towards satmar chassidim and to your community’s rabbonim is shocking! Is this chabad?!?! Where is your tolerance – never mind respect?!? Is this what you teach your children, to hate??? As an outsider, I’m both shocked and horrified. How low chabad has fallen!!

  • Moshe

    to #1, Rabbi Braun was not the Mara D’asra at that time, so please, make us a favor: keep silent!

  • Moshe

    B’H

    some people here should be careful about what they write. As far as I know, Lubavitcher (the true one) is also anti-zionist. If not for the suddain pro-Zionism of many Shluchim, you would have known that the Lubavitcher Rebbe ZT’L was not a Zionist, that he had a lot in common with the Satmar Rebbe. The only difference was on how to react now that the Zionist state does exist and is a reality. But it does not mean that becasue the Lubavitcher Rebbe ZT’L promoted Shleimus Ho’oretz he was a Zionist or a pro-Zionist. Just read the many Sichos in which he condamned Zionism. Portraying the Rebbe as a Zionist is in fact a new tactic used by the Shluchim to have more populariry among the many Zionist Jews they try to attract to Chabad and becasue many people won’t give their money to Chabad if they knew that even the Lubavitcher Rebbe was against Zionism.

  • a satmarar

    it is a symbol of brohers which are united all this years even the CHOSHKES HAGULES In their HASHKOFA !!!!

  • shneir zalman

    the rabby the rsh“b zy”u was known abaut his kenues & chochma the satmar rabby the baal hanes zy“u once said that he would trust him to be manhig hador & he also said that the rsh”b was his rabby in kanuas!!

  • CR

    Unzer Rebbe ZVKLLHH, while he may not have agreed with the Zionist agenda and may have even been hostile to large parts of it, never used that as an excuse to consort with Am Yisroel’s enemies! He promoted Yishuv HaAretz and Shleimus HaAretz because those are the best ways of strengthening the Jewish presence in the land and, thereby, ensuring the safety of the Jews living there. Meanwhile, He maintained contacts with governing officials of the Medina from the very beginning and throughout his Nesius. And the “three oats” never crossed his lips in any sichah. I defy you to show otherwise.

    The assertion that Unzer Rebbe had anything in common with the SR on the matter is ludicrous and, frankly, an insult to his legacy and a personal slap in the face to his Chassidim who are regularly Moseir Nefesh for Eretz Yisroel! Besides, the whole Zionist question has been settled already nearly 70 years. The State of Israel exists, is stable and strong and is home to the largest community of Jews in the world today. The mere suggestion that they need to dismantle their state and leave the land is tantamount to wishing dislocation, privation and even death on millions of fellow Yidden, R”L. To actively pray for this is Shfichas Damim.

  • to #15 JewishMom

    Rest assured, we are not the actual chabad. The actual chabad do not waste time commenting on the internet. We are looking to shock and dismay. Thank you for your encouragement!

  • SZiskind

    The neturei karta are not the same thing as Satmar. Yes, there is overlapping and yes Satmar is anti Zionist, but I doubt any Satmar Rebbe would have condoned Jews meeting with the president of Iran, ym”s.

    This us versus them ideology is really not getting us very far.

  • Moshe

    B’H

    YOur logic is non-sense. Your politics of Yishuv Ho’oretz and Shleimus Ho’orerz do not bring peace and do not resolve the issue. Moreover, even your argument of Pikuach Nefesh is nonsense. How does Shleimus Ho’oretz save Jewish lives? Quite the contrary, it endangers the lives of millions of yidden living in the Zionist state (as they are subject to constant threats and dangers) and those living abroad (as because of Zionism, they are victims of antisemitism). The true Pikuach Nefesh would be to dismantle that heretical state and to inform the world that Zionism is not synonymous of Judaism and that both are antothetical. Jewish livs are far more important and precious than a land. Yidden have lived for centuries in foreign countries. What kept us alive? The Torah and our Avodas Hashem, not the Land!

  • CR

    Thank you Moshe for proving my point.

    “The true Pikuach Nefesh would be to dismantle that heretical state…”

    I wish you and all who opine likewise a speedy Refuah Sheleimah. Only in a schizoid fantasy world can dismantling a country and evacuating all its inhabitants yield anything besides massive suffering, impoverishment and death. Again, you are Karov LeShfichas Damim for lending even the slightest validation to such a horrific ideology.

    “Yidden have lived for centuries in foreign countries. What kept us alive? The Torah and our Avodas Hashem, not the Land!”

    This ignorance is beyond belief. Torah and Eretz Yisroel are inseparable! Suggesting otherwise contradicts the first RaShI of the Torah. If you truly believe this then you are not practicing Judaism but some Avoda Zara that looks very similar. Oh, and were the the Crusades the result of Zionism? Chmielnitzki’s pogroms? The massacres at York or Treyes? The burning of all known Talmudic manuscripts by the Catholic Church? What color is the sky in your world!?

  • I Wait

    Anyone who legitimizes the HertzelShtat is not waiting for mesiach
    Shmuel says in Bavli 3 times: The only difference that will be after Meshiachs coming, is that we won’t be under the hegemony of non Jewish regimes and the Rambam brings it down 2 times as a halacha for us today to follow, that before the coming of Messiach we will be under the hegemony of non Jewish governments,and only Messiachs will change it

  • TO #15

    Lol your comment made me laugh. IT TAKES 2 TO CAUSE A MACHLOIKIS! So satmar insulted your Rebbe GET OVER IT. I can promise you that the Rebbe took it with a grain of salt and forgave those who insulted him. Does this effect YOU personally?? No it doesnt. Soo stop being a baby and be THE BIGGER man and forgive them. Also dont sit there like Chabad is sooooo pure and innocent….very childish and pathetic.

  • to #12

    you sound like a big immature baby. Its people like you who THINK they are being tough and trying to make a point who are stopping Moshiach from comming. It takes two to be in a machlokes….remember that. And the person who said that aint me. It was said by R’ Kamenetzky and other big Rabbiem. lol grow up

  • the ames

    today I think is the best to be with the “haskufe” a satmar’er, in of cours to know what chab“d is!! I think that this is the geshmakste w
    ay!! Like #19 says that satmar with chab”d is 1

  • Moshe

    #25

    If Torah and Eretz Hakodesh were inseparable, please tell me why the Hebeshter sent us in golus, and why thousand of holy Rabbis, like the Rambam, taught that even under harsh treatment Jews are forbidden to transgress the 3 Oaths? Please explain the anti-zionist letter of the Rebbe rashab printed in Kuntress UMa’ayan? Please explain why the Tzemach Tzedek replied “Mach do Eretz Yisroel” to one of his chasidim who wanted to emigrate to Eretz Yisroel? Please tell me why your Rebbe sent Shluchim all over the world? Please tell me one millions of Yidden could live their faith in Chutz Lo’orerz? Are you telling that because Rebbe Nachman and all the other kedoshim were not observant jews because they didn’t live in EY? If I follow your logic, your Rebbe who never put a foot in EY was not a full observant Jew either. So you see that your Zionist propaganda is nonsense. To be a Jew is not about where you live. Zionism is an heresy and the Amolek of our generation. Don’t forget that your own Rebbe told to Rabbi Uriel Zimmer ZT’L that “Zionism is the sin of the generation.” You should all read what your Rebbe said in the following sicha about Zionism: http://www.chabadlibrary.or… (paragraphs י“ט-כ”א). I’m quite sure that it’s the kind of sichos the shluchim don’t share with their congregations.

  • Moshe

    #25

    B’H

    And to dismantle the medianh does not mean that all Jewish should leave the Holy Land. And you fail to explain how your policy spare Jewish lives. Moreover, your Rebbe said that Zionsm is a double exile: first, because it teaches to behave improperly in the “King’s Palace”. It uses Kedusho for impurity. And second because they think that the Zionist medinah is “Ischalto d’Geuloh” while your Rebbe admited that it was not “Ischalto d’Geuloh” and that it was preventing Moshiach’s coming. Maybe after that Sicha he changed his mind, but that’s what he said, and as far as I know, he never denied that sicha and his anti-zionist stance. In that sense, his policy of keeping the medinah for “Pikuach Nefesh” reasons is nonsense (as it does not save Jewish lives but quite the contrary it endangers us) and a contradiction §but I think Chabad is used to contradictions….)

  • CR

    How do you explain the fact that, despite all the history you cite, Unzer Rebbe repeatedly called for Shleimus HaAretz at a time when Sadat, Begin and Carter were about to start “land for peace”? If “Lo Hisgaru BeUmos” is operative then the State should have complied with whatever the Umos HaOlam (UN, EEC, USA, USSR, etc) ruled. The Rebbe clearly wanted the State of Israel to fight those sentiments! Clearly The Rebbe felt that rule did not apply. I.E. the “three oats” are not authoritative. And Pikuach Nefesh is the very reason that the Rebbe cited for his directives, in direct countervention to your absurd suggestion.

    Whatever the Rebbe may have held in the Yuds had clearly changed 30 years later.

    And again, your Rebbe was saved by Zionists; by the agents of the Satan! By his shita it would have been better for him to board the train for Auschwitz! Why, leshitascha, was that route preferable for Yenem but not for the Rebbe?

    And you accuse Chabad of having contradictions!?

  • Moshe

    B’H
    B’H

    You wrote: “The Rebbe felt that rule did not apply. I.E. the “three oats” are not authoritative”

    So, you admit that the last Lubavitcher Rebbe departed from the original stance of his predecessors and thus, your Rebbe is not, unlike what you teach to unlearned Jews, a continuation of the previous Lubavitcher Rebbeim, as the previous Lubavitcher Rebbeim were anti-zionists and DID IN FACT consider the Three Oaths as authoritative. read what the Frierdiker Rebbe and the Rebbe Rashab wrote, and you will see that they did consider them authoritative. Not only you departed from the Chabad philosophy (nowadays, for instance, Chabad Chassidim don’t pray at lenght as in the past, while it’s clearly written that such should be the practice of Chabad Chassidim in Kuntress HaT’filoh of the Rebbe Rashab, but they daven in 30 minutes fast!!! And what to say about the state of Tznius of Chabad, and so on) but moreover your last Rebbe completely changed the Chabad derech. From anti-zionist, you became non-Zionist and now you are completely zionists. Why doesn’t Chabad officially join once for all the World Zionist Organization?

    And concerning your last point, I don’t see the point. The Rebbe was saved by a Zionist, and what?

    You still failed to explain how Shleimus Ho’oretz spare Jewish lives.

    But whatever.

    We celebrate Chanuka tonight, and we all know the message it conveys concerning Zionism, which is the Greek philosophy of nowadays.

  • CR

    Just for the record, I am happy and thankful the Satmar Rebbe was spared the horrors of The War. Klal Yisroel has benefitted greatly from his being able to rebuild his community in the USA in the postwar period, despite our philosophical differences. And I offer my HaKoras HaTov to Dr. Rudof Kasztner that he was the vessel in which the Yeshuas HaShem was vested on the SR’s behalf; Thank you Dr. Kasztner.

  • CRC

    Did they eat the satmer shechitta there, or is there still an issur as promulgated by Harvav Dvorkin – which they never removed.

  • Sholom Achshov ???

    I agree with # “37”. They never asked mechilla.

    Remember the tahalucha in the year 57“37” forever and ever.

    If you want peace join Sholom Achshov.

  • CR

    “And concerning your last point, I don’t see the point. The Rebbe was saved by a Zionist, and what?”

    And the Zionists are agents of the Satan. Did the SR not say that most people saved from the Churban were saved by Sitra Achra? Zionism is of the Sitra Achra and the Satan, according to Vayoel Moshe. So, the Rebbe was saved by Sitra Achra, leshitaso. That’s the point; his salvation has the stink of evil attached to it!

    “You still failed to explain how Shleimus Ho’oretz spare Jewish lives.”

    I did not make that assertion, the Seventh Rebbe of Lubavitch did on multiple occasions over the years. If you have questions about it I suggest you bring them up with him.

  • Moshe

    B’H

    To #39

    And the Rebbe Rayatz was saved by a Nazi. And what??? Tell me, and what???

  • CR

    “And the Rebbe Rayatz was saved by a Nazi. ”

    And Lubavitch today is makir tov to Admiral Wilhelm Canaris for his help in getting the Rebbe out. We believe that even Klipa Tameia can attain some degree of kedusha. BTW, Adm. Canaris was later implicated in the plot to kill Hitler, YMS, and was executed by the SS so his Nazi bona fides are suspect.

    Also, you and yours claim that maintaining the State of Israel is too costly in terms of Jewish life and treasure. However, compare the 63 years of the State to the 63 years BEFORE the war. From 1870-1939 there were 8-9 million Jews living in Europe. During this time over 200,000 were killed in pogroms. Meanwhile, from the War of Independence to now about 20,000 Israelis have died in wars and terror assaults out of a population of 5-6 million. Far higher numbers have died in automobile accidents on the country’s highways. And Israeli Jews are wealthy and secure beyond the wildest dreams of their European forebears. Your claims are fraudulent and anyone making them is a liar!