Today, Sunday, Isru Chag there will be in depth study and discussion about the meaning and Halachos Surrounding Yiddishe Dress at the Lubaitcher Yeshiva on Crown St. There will be two sessions for married men and women starting at 11am. One by Rabbi Nissen Mangel and another by Rabbi MM Gluckowsky. Then at 2:30pm there will be two sessions for married women and post-seminary girls. One by Mrs R Slonim and another by Mrs S Morosow at 4pm.
The Yiddishe Look – A Day of Study and Discussion
Today, Sunday, Isru Chag there will be in depth study and discussion about the meaning and Halachos Surrounding Yiddishe Dress at the Lubaitcher Yeshiva on Crown St. There will be two sessions for married men and women starting at 11am. One by Rabbi Nissen Mangel and another by Rabbi MM Gluckowsky. Then at 2:30pm there will be two sessions for married women and post-seminary girls. One by Mrs R Slonim and another by Mrs S Morosow at 4pm.
what about all those who cannot attend?!
please make it all avail. for all of us who can only participate online!
thank you webby!
cyber crowed!! please post for us!
not from c.h.
soo many speaches!!
no one seems to want to address the obvious problem!
instead of lectures and more lectures… why not tacle the problem from the real source
namely a generation of emotionally desperate women with terrible education and consequently very low self esteem!!
the only motive to drive a women raise in BR to dress against halacha in public, can only be a desperate need for the wrong sort of attention,
these problems dot start out of the blue, they stem from years of abuse and untreated self esteem problems, which then get carried into adulthood and marriage and few husbands are equipped and able to compensate for the endless self esteem vacuum these young ladies bring with them into their marriage
eventually they end up desperately seeking attention etc on the street,
self esteem isn-t why
to last commenter, it’s not true that it comes from low self esteem. I have serious issues with low self esteem and would never act out this way to defy the halacha. Part of my own issue is that I do dress fully tnius and am not valued by my employer, who laughs at me for “davening too much”.(not on work time).
TO: self esteem isn-t wh...
to last commenter,
YOU WROTE:
…am not valued by my employer, who laughs at me for “davening too much”…
MY RESPONSE:
are you for real (or is your comment a fake?)
do you work in a concentration camp?
or perhaps for fidel castro?
your either a fake or not 100%
no self respecting women would put up with such abuse from a creapy employer!
your employer sounds like he’s sooner or later gonna be sitting behind bars for Harassment!
one thing is prob true that you have worse selfesteem than these desperate pritzos on kingston ave
bec u wont leave an abusive environment!
at least for those defying halacha, many of them are stuck, stuck in a loveless marriage(with kids) they cant easily escape like a job!
agree! it always comes down t SELFESTEEM
i spend lots of time with two newly wedds, (living in CH) both have confided to me that if not for their peer preasure issues and Low self esteem no self respecting friend (including them selves) would dress against halacho!!
i tell them to try dressing well and tznius and you’ll actually build up your self respect that way!!
to 13:05 - true!
selfesteem issues is due to the BR system! nothing like the rebbeh wanted it!
fathers can prevent self esteem
if dads spent more time with their daughters when they were growing up, these girls would not be lacking soo much emotional stuff, to be so driven or craving the low kind of male-attention
esther
to my response, one can’t always simply pick up and leave a job because the employer is not mentshlich (i’m not talking about pritzus or other truly abusive behavior). and to self esteem,our issues with self esteem effect each of us differently as with everything in life.
the vew in C.H is clearly changing!
finally its changing for the better! more respectful
hopeful shluchim
yes! bh! hopefully this new trend will last! so i can once again bring my balei batim to see the rebbe’s shchuna
to hopeful shluchim,
to hopeful shluchim, this new trend only affects a percentage of C.h-ers
there will always be those few desperate pritzos who will have zero respect for themselves, husbands and community!
but yes there does seem to be a considerable noticeable positive trend!
to hopeful shluchim
i still visite CH regularly!
if i’m accompanied by an outsider, i simply explain:
“this” is the greatness of the REBBEH!!
he is the only leader who alowes practically anyone who wants to join and call themselves chabad! hoppimg that this association will further this jews observance even one drop, even at the expense of chabads “good name!
the REBBEH never chased the worst hippie ”mwnuval” away!!!
Men are clueless (nice but stil cluless)
lets get classes for men going!
i don’t mean more tznius classes! those are nice too (it seems to have worked somewhat)
hat is sorely needed though, is training for husbands and future husbands, if only men knew how to make their wives feel valued, loved, special, cherished etc
most of the desperate women on the street would quickly improve their dress as their “love-tank” gets more full with healthy kosher attention from the right place!! (a happy loving marriage)
who says its low self esteem problems??
i think its at least 25% peerpreasuer or women thinking its ok bec no one ever dares to tell them what statement they are really making to all ppl on the street!!
dear webby
when is the audio comming?
please and thamks in advance
ya all really realy think its gono work?
those who already dress according to Halacha dont need speeches re how many gifts they will receive!
those who dress against halacha, are too stuck to care about “brochos” “rebbeh-nachas” “damaging the youth” “degrading-shem-chabad”
they dont even care what their husband feels like!
(i know this for a fact, many guys avoid walking in the street beside there wives bec of the Bushos!!)
Newly weds watchout!!
to all kalas, and newly married ladies!
you should know that unless you ask your husbands what they really think about skimpy clothes in public,
they will just tell you what they think you want to hear!
so do your poor hubby a favor and ask him w/o implying or hinting your preference!
most of you will be shocked!
and your husbands will be grateful-relieved!! i promise!
nu!!! when is the download clip avail?
no pressure, just requesting!
TO: Men are clueless
ARE YOU MARRIED TO A CLUELESS MAN?
men are clueless ...so what!
indeed!
if a women is married to a “cluless” man!
i doubt her tznius will be solved by some classes!
cluless tend to remain cluless!!
let her (the wife) instead, get a grip,! and learn some self respect! NOT making excuses! blaming it on a husband who leaves her starving for love!
sick ppl out there! i know such a couple
ok now
either i’m suffering from low selfasteem
or is it falling for peer approval or is it maybe a cold marriege! are you really saying that if you dress slutty ypu are trash, and suffer emotionally!?
there must be some creapy husbands out there who actually enjoy there wives being displayed like a,,,
in other words some twisted lowlives actually dont feel degraded or shame for having there wives bodies flaunted for all to see!!
its a rachmanus on thes desperate mums
dont hate them! feel sad for them! they are struggling with inner demons! u wouldent overcome either!
u all have your own YHs
so their’s is open for all to ridicule! doesnt make your YH any hollier!!
To: its a rachmanus...
i know exactly such women! they put up an act of being cool and dandy but if you scratch the surface… its a rachmanus!
they dont dress like that bec they want to! they feel forced too!! i promise!!
please audio plese!!
ad mosaY
why alwats blame self esteem??????
its just plain ol male attention issues!!
kindly to webby
we are all waiting for the audio to post!
there must be many more who can only participate online!
it seems to be working
all these lectures and motivational speeches are aparantly making a dent! to me it does seem to have an affect on the dress code out there!
it seems to be more tznius than ever! at least in 10 years!!
been there done that!!
i can speak for myself and my sister,
for us the temptation to dress against halacha was proportionate to how productive and accomplished we felt…
now we are helping out a shlucha and shliach, call it self esteem or just feeling great in your own skin!!
but i now am proud to dress stylish and tzniusly, especially on kingston ave!! i feel proud to advertise to my peers that i’m not weak in character to buckle to the wrong peers,
and i feel valuable and proud as a self respecting jewish women who knows how to look great w/o resorting to degrading my respect!
CH mothers are open minded!!
all it takes is reminding a “mother” with motherly instincts all the brochos and segulos from torah and the Rebbeh himself!
ppl need reminders!! thats all!
(most are NOT that messed up to choose issues over family)
esther
to sick people,tsneeus is also in the words you choose to use for goodness sake!
from shluchim in the midwest! KEEP IT UP
BH
to all women in CH! i’ve spent only three hours yesterday IN NYC!
AS THE SAYING GOES, “A GAST AF AH VAAYIL, ZET AF AH MILE”
THANK YOU ALL FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS, (GOOD START!) WE SHLUCHEI HAREBBI SALUTE THE PROGRESS, AND HOPE YOU CONTINUE YOURE COLLECTIVE EFFORTS! FOR THE SAKE OF CHABAD AROUND THE GLOBE!!
TO midwest
thanks!!
crown heights is maturring
its almost like a collective personality change!
anybody knows??
any idea when or where or IF! there will be a recording to download online???
NOT AGAIN! (YAWN!)
why is this such a hot potato??!
Anonymous
There is a recording. However I don’t have a timetable as to when it will be available. But rest assured that when it is we will have it.
-Techie
reply to: HOT POTATO
bec the damage ripples into many other places besides for copycats trying to out “expose” the next girl
it affects, all the men subjected to these exposures!
it lowers the overal fabric of dignity and respect for self, chabad and halacha
negative begets negative RL
thanks to Techie for prompt response
professionalism!! (4free!!!)
tznius will always b a DOOZZY!!
its human nature
u can always guarenty 1000000000000posts
why is this such a lightening rod??
to: midwest-shluchim
i like your tone, yemin mekareves!
reply to sick ppl outthere
it sounds like you are playing the peerpreasure card against those who live for peer approval! very clever!
ITS THE WEATHER! NOT CHANGE!!
stop judging us!!
its not so easy to overcome!
btw re the new trend of tznius, in your dreeams!! your trying to see what you want to see, it had nothing to do w tznius, the weather!!!! KIDO!!
to its the weather
what!??
you are deluding yourself, and thanks to your post, you make all tichul-ladies sound childish and immature!
why do you mind so much if the trend of violating halacha is reversing itself??
two conflicting goaks
tznius is the polar opposite of attractive, to attract attention
be POSITIVE please
be constructive please. degrading people who
dress less tzniusdik than you, for whatever reason it may be, doesn’t help. it just makes you sound judgmental and petty.
i think the strongest reason for any change is positive reinforcement. i haven’t been in CH lately but if there really is a change in the level of tznius, it’s probably because of rabbanim/learned women giving classes educating women as to the BENEFITS of keeping tznius.
the previous tactic of bemoaning what the streets have started to look like or how unacceptable the prizos has become DIDN’T work- and it DOESN’T help.
get on the train that actually goes somewhere- instead of deciding that a woman is a despicable prutza, why don’t you go over and tell her how lovely she looks the next time you see her in something slightly less formfitting, less loud, less short, something she may not ever put on again because she feels ‘ehhh’ in it- your compliment can change that (if you really mean it. if you think it’s an ugly shirt, don’t try to tell her otherwise- people see through insincerity).
and oh, quash the urge to lecture or put in a barb after the compliment (‘i don’t usually like how you dress, but this..’ or ‘such a beautiful skirt, what a pity your shirt is so open that’s all people look at’). complimenting only on an agenda turns people off and ruins the effect.
honestly, people, a simple compliment, a well-chosen expression, (classy, put-together, lovely, beautiful, unique, perfect for you), complimenting choice of color or some other attribute of the article of clothing- that will go a long way in rebuilding that girl’s velt-affected view of what looks good.
to post be POSITIVE
u are truly on target and very wise!
thanks for raising the level of discourse!!
Positive
very nice post
sweet n POSITIVE! (and easy to read)
-from a growth oriented Mum of two
nivce going!
improvements = more improvements
positive reinforcement!! yessery!
i think the strongest reason for any change is positive reinforcement. i haven’t been in CH lately but if there really is a change in the level of tznius, it’s probably because of rabbanim/learned women giving classes educating women as to the BENEFITS of keeping tznius.