Women and girls now get their turn to hear a lecture by Rabbi Gancz. Join Rabbi Aharon Dovid Gancz in follow up Shiur given to men; the pursuit of “The Path to Prosperity” at Bais Rivkah, 310 Crown St. - May 19, 2009, promptly at 8:00pm.
Tznius Shiur for Women – In Crisis! In Search of Segulos?
Women and girls now get their turn to hear a lecture by Rabbi Gancz. Join Rabbi Aharon Dovid Gancz in follow up Shiur given to men; the pursuit of “The Path to Prosperity” at Bais Rivkah, 310 Crown St. – May 19, 2009, promptly at 8:00pm.
Here’s what the Rebbe prescribes:
“The Gemara and Zohar elaborate in many places that strengthening one’s conduct of Tznius is an infallible way to be blessed with good health, sustenance, and much nachas – true nachas – from children and grandchildren.
This depends on each and every one of you: that you yourselves act in this manner, and see that your good friends, relatives and acquaintances become aware of the great potential that they possess [to act in a like manner], and the blessings that such behavior brings with it.” (From: Sichos in English, Igros Kodesh, Vol. VIII: )
super ironic!!
a Man (w tayvis) talking to girls and women about tznius?!
me
this shiur is a great idea, not so much because the woman who need to show up will show up, but bec. it gives chizuk to those who are already tznius, and people like my sister, who won’t show up but will secretly listen to the shiur online!!
no one is above chizuk
hey everyone can use a boost one in a while on their own level
unbelievable!
This is unbelievable! B”H we have people that look right and talk right that give of themselves to talk to the men and now to the women about an issue that has been on the back burner for so long! Yaasher Koach Rabbi Gancz!
We need people with the right hashkafas like you!
A thankful mother
Thank you Bnos Melech! That’s all I can say!
My family has definetly seen a change due to your intervention!
Please go on!
HS student
This is great!
Is this for girls too? Will you be doing anything for high school girls?
I listened to the cd for the men. I wish he would be our teacher!!!!!!!!
peroson
yes it’s for girls and they are encouraged to attend.
hachlutos tovos
This shiur is great now is prime time for some takunos (how long how wide…. soks ..hair covering khalacha…..)
go Rabbi ganz go
is herson paying him to do this
isn’t this the ganz of morristown?
he should be focusing 110% of his efforts on his primary responsibility – getting boys into his yeshiva, keeping them in his yeshiva, stimulating their creativity and minds, making a solid curriculum, creating extra-curricular activities for them…
not pr-ing himself on topics that are between the individual and their creator.
wondering
Does he have any data to prove that his technique is effective?
final for the women!
this is good news!
i am one of those who needed a little info+TLC to get it right, i believe that there are 3 kinds of girls
ONE:
the choir they already understan the importance and no trends will influence them!!
TWO:
the ones that are unreachable and are willing to do anything to get their cheap (disgusting) thrill!
THREE:
this is ME and ppl like my self who simply dont know enough!! and would be motivated by the Rebbe’s promises and the mussar threats loy-aleinu!
it is THREE: who this kinda shayur is gonna be productive for
any Rabbis or Rebbetzens
hey this blog is different, what about some balance? any other side to the story is it as it seems at face value?
is there any “Heters” for tight garb? or for knees/elbows? i’m honestly curious? i thought there is? is there?
if yes pleas do post! lets get the other side out!
he reinforces our values in general
i think this talk is beneficial for general hashkofo even if you are already convinced on tznius
deffensivenes
why such hostility directed at this man? he was probably asked to speak for the women’s sake, not that he created this event for eye candy! a low-life sees the whole world as lowlifes.
REPLY TO: is herson paying...
last i checked Herson’s last name is not CASTRO! and he does not run a 24 hr dictatorship!(OK, during working hours maybe)
besides Herson’s mission is kiroov, including any way avail. to spread the goodness of torah-life for a yid
your attacks stink of jealousy and defensiveness, do whatever you please, but dont shut the guy down bc you dont like the result!
preaching to the choir
i don’t uderstand why make a shiur for those who would show up
its like preaching to the choir!
HALOCHISTIM & ANTIHALOCHISTIM
let me get this straight: now we STOOPED to such a low
that we now have the “HALOCHISTIM” & “ANTIHALOCHISTIM”??!
speechless!!
e where
I’m very impressed. Keep it up!
Those of you who are still struggling iwth your yetzer hara- don’t ruin it for others!
fed up with dressing for those men!
lubavitch was always tolerant and non judgmental!
what happened?
now i must dress to satisfy every jobless man who roams the street, not to give him desires?! if you got no life, keep your eyes in your sockets………
History lesson
first there was ANTI-CHASSIDIM (aka minagdim)
than came ANTI-CHABADSKERS (aka farbiseneh-litfox)
then we invented the ANTI-MOSHIACH-IST
finally we hatched the ANTI-HALOCHIST
plural should blashon nekeiva “ANTI-HALOCHISTOS”
esther weiner
to fed up there’s a difference with being non-judgmental toward yidden who weren’t raised frum and between letting this chorban in our own daled amos continue unabated.forget about men on the street;what about your own dignity.what about the rebbe’s dignity and how we lubavitchers represent him to the world whether you like it or not.
4 BOTH CAMPS
to the pro halacha camp:
teach chasanim how to prevent a “desperate house wife”
to the anti halacha camp:
realize what your desperation is revealling to the public about you:
1) no yiras shomayim,
2) no self respect
3) no consideration for the name of chabad -in the frum velt
4) no feelings 4the locals/visitors who’r devastated/hurt
5) no concern for the longterm good of you children (sicha)
6) no shame 2publicly, “faif-un” our rebbe’s bakasha-nafshi
7) no shame 2advertise your body parts 2another’s husbnd
8) no fear of causing averos of the worst kind to bochurim
9) no care about lowering the bar for COPYCATS who kids
10) no concern about the “klolos” from H’ to klal yisrol R”L
11) no shame 2advertise how little els u have of value insid
12) no sham to hurt our kids who take things 2a lower level
13) no shame to expose your peer-presure issuse
14) no shame 2 advertise that u feel ugly in respectful attire
15) no class/dignity for your family or frum jewish women
Lets del w the ROOT CAUSE!!
since the underlying problem is, young women with serious self image issues…
its got nothing at all todo with KNOWING the halachos
its got everything todo with knowing (thinking) that i am a worthless nothing, and therfore anything goes,! RL
i’ve never met a Happy well adjusted young women with a craving to expose more than halacha allows!
get to know any one of these “immodest” women personally (let them feel safe to open up to you) you’ll quickly discover, that behind those fake smiles is a very sad, empty, lonely “shattered-selfesteem” probably by a bully -teacher or student
these girls feel no shame bc there is no inner (toichin) happiness for whatever reason (i’m not blaming them ch“v) frankly i know many of them personally , over time u come to learn whats really motivating them, its sad! very sad!
and has got nothing todo with knowledge or even the REBBE’S promisses of Joy Nachas, Harchava etc the emotion is soo deep that no rational thinking is relevant !!
the need for self denegrating attention is soo strong, no DRASHA can talk a girl out of it once they crossed that line!
again they are NOT BAD, they are hurting inside!
lacking the right attention from their own (clueles) husbands who have never been given any guidance on how to treat a wife and keep her (soul-heart) satasfied fulfilled and feeling cherished,
a truly happy women HAS NOT THE IMPULSE nor TEMPTATION to dress in violation of halacha, self respect, and all the brachos promissed by the Rebbeh for MS”N on tznius
the problem is though that the truth hurts! and therefore any attempt to hold up a mirror to someone w major insecurities, usually will trigger defensiveness or worse, so these girls are stuck in a painful downward cycle of trying to out-lower the the next girls weakness, oblivious to how similar they appear to a cheap street hook… RL
to: history lessos
look at the positive!
thanks to these girls
now at least they are fulfilling prophecy re the time just before moshiach
chtzpoh will be unprecedented!
proof of yeridas hadoros, signs of moshiach
to history lesson = more positive
each one of these groups were part of the geulah process
ANTI-CHASSIDIM (minagdim) = resisting y’futzu maynosecha…
ANTI-CHABADSKERS (farbiseneh-litfox) = resisting mivtzoyim…
ANTI-MOSHIACH-IST = resisting moshiach “cherfu ikvos mshichecha”
ANTI-HALOCHIS = chutzpa will explode in the very last days
channal the chutspa
your essentially saying that we needed some volunteers to play the role of unprecedented CHUTSPA?
the rebbi negates that by stating that chutspa is a charactor-trait that will “explode” before the redemption but it dosent have to be used for “bad” chutspa!
the rebbi recomends to channal the chutspa in a useful-positive direction!
like 5500 chabad houses around the world, in spite of all nay-sayers jealous of chabad
chabadistim!
everything becomes an “ist”
i’m a chabad’ist
not a nebach title
it is true that the rebbe’s promisses are reliable!
but cant we motivate ppl to do the right thing even w/o dangeling a carrot and stick?
have we fallen so low that we’r back to “schar v onesh”
perhaps whatever works!
Tanya
lets lern some tanya and use some CHABAD to end this unztnius
a lubavither gets nauseous forom this klipa TZnios is good try it you love it tamei iraei ki tov hashem hazlocha raabe
to history lessons
this stuff goes all the ways back to Korach va adaso!
do u see a pattern?
cynicle cynic
thanks to crownheights.info
for the first time i actually have hope!
is it my imagination or c.h. seems to have a drastic improvement of tznius!
i’m actually observing very well dressed tsnius! maybe a fluke
former mini-skirter
i consider my self a ffb-bt
ffb bec i was “supposedly” raised frum,
bt bec i was actually raised to know nothing about judaism or chabad philosophy!!! oh did i mention i went to beis rivka until i droped out at 14yo, they taught me nothing at all about the beauty of judaism or joy of jewish life style!
i thus hit rock bottom and had to hit the street life and clubs in order to start over from scratch! thanks to all the bullies -teachers included” in beis rivka
i was born to non geshe and no $ so the fakers in beis rivka treated me as untermentch! like a piece of trash that eventually became my identity! it was two years of clubbing=!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
now that i’m 19yo and alittle wiser i see right through the bs of the system! and have had to discover judaism and chabad from the outside in!
i cant believe how ignorant the system makes you of the riches and beauty of living jewish, its like the sattan teams up with the school system to make you believe that you hate being frum! when at the end a 15yo beis rivka girl has no clue of some of the basics of chasidu,
i recomend to all girls to drop out and start fresh w/o any preconceptions about g-d chabad and how cool it is to be frum or not!
all you gotta do to fix this tsnius problem is to fire 90% of the fakers who are destroying the life of a generation of jewish girls!
they misrepresent judaism bec the themselves are close-minded fakers who care more about being popular and having a 3000 dollar sheitul then they care about the girls they are teaching!
today i loove my jewishness despite all the bad sales ppl
is this true
i see the improvements as it is, even w/o this shir yet
just the whole “awareness” i think!
look at kingston ave, BH foresure an improvement
TO: former mini-skirter
wow! you are so right! and not to mention lucky, to bounce back and recapture yidishkeit, after all you must have went through!
all i can say is, we’r soo proud of you, and your perspective! to not allow the faults in the system, to justify and rationalize dumping it all, you had the wisdom and discretion, to separate the chabad “philosophy”, from the many who “call themselves chabad” yet fail to live it,
you certainly did not allow the rest of your life to be decided by the failures of the “system”,
i pray that more young people have your discerning eye, to walk awy with a smart perspective!
remember the rebbe’s approach was never to exclude anyone! not even the fakers, that explains why chabad has soo many half baked, or clueless followers, who call themselves chabad, but need to go along way to truly deserve that title!
the temp is up!
pretty intense for “comments”
lets not over do this topic
can we get back to tsnius? will this lecture accomplish much, i dont think so, i for one have a life, and no time to listen to this satmer “propaganda”! if iy was really soo bad to cut corners, then dont you think that beis rifka staff would be more modestly dressed (head-staff included)
the answer is obvious, its not soo bad, some halochos are sort of extra,
words vs actions
words words words!
less speeches and more ahavas yisroel! instead of these lectures! tolerate all ppls! tolerance is more important than how long a skirt is!
the trends are self correcting
i’ve lived in c.h. for the last 10 years, clearly the trend is swinging back, it goes according to style, the style is now shifting to more classy looks.
BH BH! AWARENESS WORKS!
I LIKE THE PROGRESS ON THE STREET BH BH
new lubavitch agenda?!
since when did the Rebbeh make this one of his campaigns?
bad marketing but good product!
is this shiur only geared to those “in crises”
arent the rebbe’s promisses fulfilled to ALL those who do ms”n (sacrifice of will) for tsnius?
attention: former mini-skirter
we are soo proud of you,
thanks for your frank break down of the “problem n solution” to our education system
i could not agree more!!
a proud Beis Yaakov Graduate!
when 1 breaks halacha, your not breaking man’s rule! halacha is G-D’S will (undisputed!!!)
breaking halacha on kingston ave is not similar to it is 100% SIMPLY BREKING G-D’S WILL “BEFARHESYAEH”
R“L R”L
do you really believe that HASHEM will give you a happy life as you publically have the “CHUTZPAO” TO DISS HIM, day after day,
i’m not referring to one who wasnt raised religious!
all i can say to all those who dress like $20. prostits.. watch out, WATCH OUT!!! not from the “taliban” but from the most powerful boss!!
i was beorught up to love and FEAR Hashem!
you so called “lubavitchers” read some of yor own “Tanya” before you twist the meaning of tolerance,
chapters:
#30
#32
#41
wrong must still be recognized as WRONG!
tolerating the person, NOT the AVEIRA!
FEAR of G-D must precede LOVE of G-D!
shame on you fake “Chabadskirs” who shame and misrepresent the REAL meaning of Chasidus-Life
TO: a proud Beis Yaakov Graduate!
wow! and thanks for your sobering tochacha! i wish to reassure you that there is a new noticeable shift seen on kingston ave! bh bh bh i’m happy inform you, that there are many of in crown heights who dress properly yet we and many of us tend to avoid the unpleasant experience of walking the streets as they are,
how ever there are many of us who are with you100% and try our best to live the beauty of chabad! zo please don’t generalize your comments to all of us!
thank you, and keep learning Tanya! (share it with your friends too)
why from outsiders? all the time!
Here’s what the Rebbe prescribes:
“The Gemara and Zohar elaborate in many places that strengthening one’s conduct of Tznius is an infallible way to be blessed with good health, sustenance, and much nachas – true nachas – from children and grandchildren.
This depends on each and every one of you: that you yourselves act in this manner, and see that your good friends, relatives and acquaintances become aware of the great potential that they possess [to act in a like manner], and the blessings that such behavior brings with it.” (From: Sichos in English, Igros Kodesh, Vol. VIII: )
rebbe-s words
thanx!
get outta here!
if the ghezh and yichus lowlifes want to be lowlifes..I say, go right ahead..BUT NOT IN THE REBBES SHCHUNA!!!!
TO: get outta here!
i second that!
only that our beloved Rebbeh who is TACHLIS HA-CHESED
has a policy of accepting even lowest “oysvurfs” with unconditional looove! and encouraged them to improve on what ever level they were at!
that is not to suggest for one second, that we put a blind eye to those who are actively undermining our children’s future and value system, ONLY that chabad tends to be in poor supply of “PINCHOS” characters!
hence we all do our part to encourage newly wed husbands to be open and frank about their feelings re their wife dressing like a Z vechulu v chulu!
dont be shy in the name of shalom bayis, i know of one wife who was shocked to learn how her own husband dreaded walking beside her on the street! she found out through over hearing a conversation, and has since dress with respect and class!
i wounder how many more poor kollel-men suffer in silence!
TO: get outta here
i can understand your anger! i cringe each time my childresn visite c.h too
but your aint the rebbes derech either! unless ur simply venting!
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