29 Comments

• Milhouse

  Competition for J2 and Rosa’s

• Jamie

  Cholov Yisroel?

• L children

  My Tattie was there all night koshering it!!!!!!!!! 1-888-GO-KOSHER.

• food man

  All ok restaurants are Cholov Yisrael (besides the fleaishik ones) :)
  And it sure looks good

• Zalman the Painter

  Of course Cholov Yisroel. All OK restaurants are cholov Yisroel.

• Dina

  Yes all OK dairy restaurants are cholov YISROEL.

• CHer

  OK Generally only allows CY in eateries. But as I do not know anything about this location you may want to check

• I hope this new place is CLEAN

  I remember when J 2 opened down the block from were they are now in 1976, a few years latter they moved to the present location and the Pizza was great the place Spotless. The Original owners were wonderful. I was there on a Sunday about 3 years ago and the place was FILTHY .The person cleaning was a homeless person who used the same rag to clean everything, That was the last time I went there… I hope this new place is CLEAN

• Big Michshol

  And who will stand outside all the non-kosher Bravo’s to warn Jews that its not Kosher? This is exactly why all other reliable Hashgochos will never give a Hechsher to items or establishments that look identical because this confuses too many innocent people.

  This mistake was made many years ago with the Carvel in BP that called themselves Kosher Carvel under ok, and many innocent Jews thought that if its in BP so its definitely Cholov Yisroel, and then they decided that if Carvel in BP is Kosher than all Carvel is OK. In fact it was not Cholov Yisroel, but who knew? It said Kosher and it had the ok.

  Not a smart idea.

• Jas

  Interesting!

• a bunch of crap

  the OK does indeed put it’s hechsher on many, many items which are dairy and NOT cholov yisroel!
  It cannot and should not be assumed that everything they do is 100%.
  Who is the rav hamachshir?
  Does he stand there and watch to see that the goyim preparing and cooking (yeah – bishul akum!) are being careful with all the utensils?!
  Somehow, the idea that this pizza is being cooked on the same surface that a traifa, farchazzerteh pepperoni pizza was cooked on is disgusting and nauseating!

• Milhouse

  #9, why would anyone make such assumptions? Any idiot who did so is responsible for their own eating treif, and cannot blame it on anyone else. You might as well say that we should ban kosher chicken, because some people will assume that if one chicken is kosher then all chicken is kosher.

• Dina

  #11 all OK restaurants that are dairy are Cholov Yisroel and Mashgiach Temidi.

• Milhouse you-re brilliant

  The fact is that the responsibility for such “idiots” is on the Rav, so says Halacha that the responsibility lies on the smart Rabbonim and that you expect the simple folk to know everything, especially when its misleading.

  If you learned Yore Deah, you definitely know that you must identify dairy from non-dairy with simanim so you don’t confuse similar items, etc.

  And didn’t you learn the Mishna in Pirkei Avos
  חכמים, הזהרו בדבריכם,
  שמא תחובו חובת גלות ותגלו למקום מים הרעים,
  וישתו התלמידים הבאים אחריכם וימותו,
  ונמצא שם שמים מתחלל.
  The Mishna doesn’t say that since the Talmidim are Talmidim Horoim, then the Rav shouldn’t care, like you say they’re “idiots” after all. Rather the Mishna says that the responsibility is on the Rav, HE should know better.

• Leah on the block

  #11 – you need to re-read your kashering rules. you don’t kasher something already kosher; by definition, it is treif. Btw, who cooked in your kitchen last before you moved in?

• a realtor with hashgacha knoledge

  1) to #9 you are 1005 CORRECT IT IS THE ACHRAIS OF THE OK they are being machshel the public with this
  2) the owner is a NON shomer shabbos yid that ownes all bravo stores. the ok must re-examin their priorities on which resturaunts they certify. (cafe classice has one owner that ownes 2 resturaunts in the same bldg. on has the ok the other has a reform rabbi (tablet k) & is open shabbos. they share storage space………..

  3) j2 is closing their broadway store they are moving on the 27th of this month.

  3) kosher delight (next door to bravo pizza) is also closing they didnt renew their lease

• mashpia

  @ 14, cool mishna you got there

• Avraham Yosef Follick

  The Ok website http://www.ok.org/kfgrestau… says it’s Cholov Yisroel and Pas Yisroel

• one at a time

  umm, usually, when there is a chain of restaurants going kosher, they don’t all go kosher at the exact same time. They gotta do it one at a time. OK started with the first one on Broadway, and by doing that, they will hopefully make more of them kosher.

  And, as you can see, there is a very clear OK on the shop’s storefront. People, as you are supposed to do before you eat anything, CHECK FOR A HECHSHER. the same should be true for restaurants- check the hechsher before you eat- don’t just assume that because one Bravo Pizza is now kosher, they all are.

• awacs

  I always noticed that this restaurant had a mezuzah on the door, and wondered why a treif pizzeria would have a mezuzah …

• Milhouse

  #14, “so says Halacha”?! Really? Where is this halacha to be found? I say you’re making it up. There is no such halacha, and no normal person would ever make such a mistake. It is not the OK’s responsibility to worry about idiots and insane people like you, or else ein ladovor sof and you may as well close down and never give a hechsher to anything. Oy vey, you’re giving a hechsher to a pizza store, now some people will think all pizza in the world is kosher!

• mezuzah

  I now see thatbased on comment number 20 he has mezuzahs on his stores.

  I huess that as funny as ot sounds, he should be asked to remove the mezuzahs from his other stores.

  If a normal person goes to a store that is kosher, then he sees another store with the smae name and the store has a mezuzah, he can expect it to be kosher

• One very thankful Rabbi

  to # 9 ,11,14 you are nuts
  What about Nathans, Subway, and Duncan Daunts etc. stop blaming everyone else for your inability to read and follow instruction. Before you eat you must see that kosher certificate, you must be from the people who eat first and then ask whose Hechsher is this place under….. You can’t find a better Hechsher then ok, and to all you hypocrites that are busy complaining about this and that …if you don’t trust the ok you should just stop eating period. Most process foods from orange juice to chocolate cakes to thousands of thousands of products have ingredients that are certified by ok. Every Hechsher in the world who knows anything about kashrus relies on them. Go meet the rabbonim and staff at the ok. Then you will know. Every year I bring a group of my bal habatim to crown heights (just like many other shluchim do) and I bring them in to the ok for a tour and class on kashrus. They are curtsies very edgeable,professional and helpful.
  We all should thank them for what they do.

• Milhouse

  #22, you’re another idiot. No, a normal person does NOT expect a store to be kosher just because it has a mezuzah, or just because some similar store somewhere else is kosher. Someone who would make such an assumption is a POSHEIA BENAFSHO, and nobody is responsible for his mistakes.

• Richard M.

  #23 I personally know several choshuve chasidishe yungelait who were nichshal to eat pas akum and cholov akum because they innocently thought that if the ok gives a hechsher it is 100% ok. To their horror when they thanked Rabbi levy for his great service of being able to find so many products in far away towns in any Walmart such great kosher food, he had to inform them that its pas akum and chlov akum. So don’t tell us how great the hechsher of the ok is. They don’t write on their products that they are not pas yisroel of that it is cholov akum (or cholov stam for the litvaks). And no, you’re wrong most chareidi hechsheirim do not rely on them exactly for these reasons.

  Whats worse is that they blame the Rebbe for it, as if the Rebbe instructed them to give hechsheirim on cholov akum. Rabbi Berel Levy Z”l told many people how he went into yechidus to the Rebbe when Don Yoel refused to join him in the ok because they gave hechsheirim on cholov akum and pas akum (then he was straight out of Kolel), and the Rebbe agreed. So Reb Berel asked the Rebbe if he should quit giving such hechsheirim? And the Rebbe answered that those products he already gives a hechsher on he should continue, but of course he shouldn’t take on any new ones, and that’s when Don Yoel joined the ok. After Reb Berel’s passing the ok started giving hechsheirim on may new products which are not pas yisroel or cholov yisroel, far more than Reb Berel ever did. That’s a known fact.

  And Milhouse you’re a great guy who is clueless as to the responsibility that Rabbonim and Machshirim carry when they confuse people. And by you deriding innocent average people who aren’t as brilliant as you won’t help the situation. I can only say, thank G-d you’re not a Rav, and if you are, a broch oif unz.

• #17 Mashpia? How about Mekabel

  The Mishna reads: Avtalyon Omeir Chachomim Hizoharu Bdivreichem Shemo Tochoivu Choivas golus Vsiglu Limkoim Mayim Horyim Vyishtu Hatalmidim Habyim Achareichem Vyomusu Vnimtzo Sheim Shomayim Mischaleil.

  Translation: 11. Avtalyon would say: Scholars, be careful with your words. For you may be exiled to a place inhabited by evil elements. The disciples who come after you will then drink of these evil waters and be destroyed, and the Name of Heaven will be desecrated.

  The Mishna doesn’t lay the blame on the students but on the careless Rabbis.

• mike

  to #3 i worked for go kosher some of the things are bdieved for baale batim. Was it all lchatchila? Are you telling me the OK don’t have their own kashering??

• Seriously

  #25 If a product does not clearly state Pas Yisroel or Cholov Yisroel on the package, it is not the hechsher’s fault that a person assumed incorrectly. All Chassidishe hechsherim also clearly state “Cholov Yisroel” or “Pas Yisroel” on the label and don’t expect someone to know themselves whether it is Cholov Akum or Cholov Yisroel. If someone does not bother to check, it is his own fault.

• Milhouse

  #28, exactly. If you assume that something is cholov yisroel, let alone pas yisroel which is only a hiddur, when it doesn’t say so on the package or in the window, then it’s your own fault. Next we’ll have people reporting in horror that they assumed an OK or OU meant it was yoshon! Or that they assumed because some “chicken soup” powders are pareve that they all were, and how dare anybody give a hechsher on fleishige instant chicken soup? (I actually know someone who did make this mistake, and had to kasher her whole milchige kitchen, but she didn’t blame the hechsher.)