In a press release sent out today, PETA is advocating the use of money for the Kappores ritual, which customarily calls for a chicken, and is performed by tens of thousands of Jews worldwide for the upcoming Yom Kippur.
PETA Targeting Kappores, “Use Gelt, not Guilt”
In a press release sent out today, PETA is advocating the use of money for the Kappores ritual, which customarily calls for a chicken, and is performed by tens of thousands of Jews worldwide for the upcoming Yom Kippur.
In its release Philip Schein, who was the PETA agent which filmed the undercover surveillance at the AgriProccessor meat plant along with his wife, said that “we will be distributing and posting in Brooklyn tomorrow (Wednesday September 23) in Crown Heights, Williamsburg and Borough Park. We are encouraging people to use money instead of live chickens when performing the ritual.” Schein added that they “will also be distributing hundreds of origami chickens made from actual money (similar to the origami money chicken in the flyer photo).”
In their flyers they quote Rabbi Gershon Tannenbaum from the Jewish Press along with an abstract from the Mishnah Brurah as support for their stance.
Chaim
Why advertise for them?
very nice
Thank you for giving, PETA, which compares chickens to Holocaust survivors, free propaganda. Thank you very much. I am sure HAshem is really proud of you.
put my chicken in a box please
Some communities are using kapporas as a fundraiser and are charging a fortune. Of course it goes to tzedukah but not everyone has that amount to give. Some people share chickens and use one female for all the girls in the family and one male for all the boys but should a person feel guilty if they use whatever money that they can afford to give instead of a live chicken?
Also, already there have been violations found in some kaporrah stations. While the custom is to preferably use a chicken rather than money, it really does make quite a mess.
gemora kup
this is great, now i only need to pay $3 for kapporos!!!! it says “they “will also be distributing hundreds of origami chickens made from actual money”
this is wasome!!! haha
Wants a dollar
Giving away Origami chicken dollar bills? where where where? I want one! I want one!
Elki
The minhag in my family has always been to use money.
However, PETA’s words have no connection to anything from Tanach, Torah She’b’al peh, shulchan aruch. This time, the speaker is passul and they’re not the ones to tell the Jewish community how to do kaparros or anything else. They need their own kapparrah for havoc they’ve wreaked.
Too bad they don’t like people as much as animals.
I reiterate, in many sites, there may well have been tza’ar ba’alei chaim, certainly forbidden. But I don’t want PETA as my yoatzim before Yom Kippur.
Meir
BS:D
One needs to know inorder to protest, so it probaly is not harmful to post this
Who is Rabbi Tannenbaum-is he some posek or a practicing Rabbi. This is his opinion they latch onto-not the Jewish community at large
The Mishna Bruer probably meant when no chickens are availabe to use money
CLUCK
If i see them I’ll attack them with my chicken. Or maybe I’ll swing them over my head. Better than money, better than chickens!
very nice
really cool! Very well done peta, it is a very nice add.
There, I said it...
According to many rishonim the kapparot ritual is a pagan ritual which somehow slipped into practice by Jews, and may, in fact, be a prohibited practice akin ro witchcraft.
not a fan of PETA
I personaly think peta goes too far on many issues but I am very impressed with this method. It is not intrusive and it’s the best way for them to voice their opinion in a non-offensive way. They are backed by Halachah (at least in their minds) and they’re just sharing that with people in a positive way.
Lost
Lets report PETA to the FBI for defacing the United States’ Dollar!
Thank G-d we have the Torah which clearly teaches us to slauter animals and chasidus that explains the elivation we are making, which is the pourpous everything we are here for.
Chochma Bagoyim, Tamoid. Torah Bagoyim al Tamoid.
PETA Exposed
http://www.petakillsanimals…
Ima Hear
It’s nice to know that there is an available alternative to your local orthodox rabbi or Shulchan Orech, when necessary to have halahic questions answered. Thank you rabbi Philip Schein and your wife rabbi Ms. Schein. May the Almighty reward you, as appropriate for all your grate works!
WHY NOT?
I really don’t see why not?
Why not give money instead?
PETA Hypocrite Idiot Avodah Zara
B“H
This is our culture, for cryin’ out loud. THIS is how Lubavitchers do Kapporos: with live chickens (except in remote areas where this is not feasible and it is permissible — not preferable — to use money instead).
Does PETA go after the Haitian voodoo (l’havdil) ritual of Santaria (again l’havdil), that is done by some immigrants in the US, which involves brutal, brutal torture and maiming of chickens left for dead in the street? Oh, no — heavens, no! Haitian culture is ”politically correct“!
These PETA hypocrites no-doubt use goose down comforters made in China, where the treatment of the geese is G-d knows much worse than anything that ever happens to a chicken at a well-run kapporos.
They also no-doubt wear the latest leather athletic shoes/mountain boots, carry leather wallets, wear leather belts, and carry leather purses and/or briefcases. All of the animals whose hides produced these items were slaughtered cruelly (not humanely, as a shochet does).
Also, if they were to visit Morocco or Syria, they’d gladly dress and behave modestly, out of respect for their cultures, but they think nothing of trying to interfere, from the outside, with our culture!
PETA is ”selling” a sad, sorry substitute for Torah emes — nothing more, nothing less. It is avoidah zorah to follow their advice.
Any Lubavitcher who allows themselves to be influenced by these PETA creep hypocrites needs to be reminded that we are LUBAVITCHERS, and the LUBAVITCH WAY is to do kapporos with a chicken. There are kabbalistic reasons for doing so, beyond just the fact that it’s Torah emes.
And we have nothing to answer for with these PETA idiots, as long as the chickens are kept in clean quarters; given ample air, food, and water; not exposed to harsh weather; handled gently during kapporos (which is what we are taught to do from day 1); and shechted properly, the Torah way being the most humane way on earth.
Torah emes is bigger than anything a bunch of frei vegetarian would-be dictators can come up with. A curse on PETA!
And shame on any Lubavitcher who takes PETA’s anti-kapporos (with a chicken) campaign seriously.
Hold it properly!
unfortunately, many people do not know how to handle the chickens with care which results in Tza’ar ba’alei chayim.
Look how the Rebbe held the chicken – he cradled it almost like a child. I doubt PETA would have problems if people treated the chickens with such care.
YitzchokAizik
Well, considering that a chicken costs $4-6, and it will cost another $4-6 to make it eatable for the needy, I’d say that making kapporos with $18 bucks is more valuable mitzvoh …
Zvi
good propaganda job by Peta. Comment number 3 appears to have been made by one of them too. And there will be more and more of those to come…
Alex Heppenheimer
“There, I said it”:
That is true. However, note that the Rema writes: “this [using chickens – not money!] is the custom in all of these [Ashkenazic] lands, and _it is not to be changed_, since it is a pious custom” (my emphasis).
So if you’re a Sephardic Jew, maybe indeed you’ve got an “out” to use money, or even to not do kapparos at all. But we Ashkenazim – and most of us in Crown Heights are – have no such excuse.
By the way, as is typical, the ad’s quotation from the Mishnah Berurah is taken out of context. What he says is that _if_ the volume of kapparos to be slaughtered on Erev Yom Kippur is so large that the shochatim may end up making mistakes in their shechitah (which would result in the chickens being unkosher, but people wouldn’t realize that and would eat them), then it’s better to either spread out the kapparos over several days (which in fact is what we do), or to use money instead. But the point is to avoid the possibility of people unwittingly eating unkosher meat, not that money is intrinsically better to use.
A Crown heights resident
Why, in anyone’s right mind, would you listen to an individual (Phillip Schein) who is determined to undermine a Torah practice (shechita)?
Phillip Schein & PETA are about ONE THING and ONE THING ONLY. They don’t want animals killed or eaten. How they accomplish that is done through both the undercover videos done by Mr. Schein and by this boycott of kapores.
I agree with the above poster who stated essentially – this is the Lubavitch way – to do Kappores with live chickens. Why are we suddenly kowtowing to PETA of all things? We live in a free country where we are free to practice our religion. Please don’t let PETA make you feel guilty for practicing YOUR religion.
I consider PETA on par with the female schnorrer who sits by the dreidel and tries to make you feel guilty for not giving her tzedaka…
yoni
its true that many rabbanim were against doing keporos b’chlal.
And its also true that most kaporos ceremoinies need cleaning up.
Its sad that people can’t just go to a farm, pick up a chicken, and slaughter it anymore.
ASSUR to use money!
ASSUR to use money!
when such suggestions are brought as a cheap facade to fight against Shechita, by anti-semetic Apikursim, it is probably preferable to not do Kaparos at all, (or for that price to stage Chicken Mass-Murders for the protest value) then to be Mechazek Ovrei Aveira of the lowest level (Chote Umachti)
Shababa
B“H” for this will allow those with disabilities to participate without causing possible harm to themselves or others from swinging chickens into others and stir up unnecessary violence among our brothers and sisters. Well done.
To hold it properly
PETA objects to the use of animals for food, milk, clothing, cures for diseases our kids, G-d forbid, may contract, etc. They even object to humans having pets. There is an infamous quote from Ingrid Newkirk, president of PETA, who said, “A rat is a pig is a dog is a boy.” Another infamous quote is, ‘Six million people died in concentration camps, but six billion broiler chickens will die this year in slaughterhouses.”
Try going to their website and see for yourself what they stand for.
hipocrits
Animal lovers worldwide now have access to more than a decade’s worth of proof that People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) kills thousands of defenseless pets at its Norfolk, Virginia headquarters. Since 1998, PETA has opted to “put down” 21,339 adoptable dogs, cats, puppies, and kittens instead of finding homes for them.
PETA’s “Animal Record” report for 2008, filed with the Virginia Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, shows that the animal rights group killed 95 percent of the dogs and cats in its care last year. During all of 2008, PETA found adoptive homes for just seven pets.
Just seven animals — out of the 2,216 it took in. PETA just broke its own record.
Why would an animal rights group secretly kill animals at its headquarters? PETA’s continued silence on the matter makes it hard to say for sure. But from a cost-saving standpoint, PETA’s hypocrisy isn’t difficult to understand: Killing adoptable cats and dogs – and storing the bodies in a walk-in freezer until they can be cremated – requires far less money and effort than caring for the pets until they are adopted.
PETA has a $32 million annual budget. But instead of investing in the lives of the thousands of flesh and blood creatures in its care, the group spends millions on media campaigns telling Americans that eating meat, drinking milk, fishing, hunting, wearing leather shoes, and benefiting from medical research performed on lab rats are all “unethical.”
The bottom line: PETA’s leaders care more about cutting into their advertising budget than finding homes for the nearly six pets they kill on average, every single day.
The Virginia Beach SPCA, just down the road from PETA’s Norfolk headquarters, manages to adopt out the vast majority of the animals in its care. And it does it on a shoestring budget.
Years of public outrage has not been enough to convince PETA to eliminate its pet eradication program.
Now the death toll of animals in PETA’s care has reached 21,339, including more than 2,000 pets last year. That’s not an animal charity. It’s a slaughterhouse.
taken from http://www.petakillsanimals…
GELT NOT GUILT
I LOVE THAT WORD!
GELT NOT GUILT! HAHA THATS SOO FUNNY
do_it_with_a_shore
tza’ar ba’alei chaim is D’orisa and easily trumps a minhag like kapporos.
Let’s wake up people!
What goes on is cruel and additionally makes a terrible chillul H’
CROWN HEIGHTSER
FOR ALL THE NOBLE AND KNOWLEGEABLE PEOPLE ABOVE, HOW ABOUT IF WE USE THE REBBE AS A GUIDE. IF IT WAS GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE REBBE TO USE CHICKENS IT SHOULD BE GOOD ENOUGH AND THE CORRECT THING FOR US TO DO AS WELL. AS FAR AS PETA GOES, I THINK WE SHOULD USE PETA FOR KAPORAS….
EXCUSE THE PUN, BUT THAT WAY WE WOULD KILL TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE…….
CROWN HEIGHTSER
FOR ALL THE NOBLE AND KNOWLEGEABLE PEOPLE ABOVE, HOW ABOUT IF WE USE THE REBBE AS A GUIDE. IF IT WAS GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE REBBE TO USE CHICKENS IT SHOULD BE GOOD ENOUGH AND THE CORRECT THING FOR US TO DO AS WELL. AS FAR AS PETA GOES, I THINK WE SHOULD USE PETA FOR KAPORAS….
EXCUSE THE PUN, BUT THAT WAY WE WOULD KILL TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE…….
is it alright
okay im FOR SURE TAKING A FREE DOLLAR—theres no problem with that right? it will go towards my real chicken….
do_it_with_a_shore
@CROWN HEIGHTSER-
The Rebbe didn’t harm the chickens when he did kapporos. If he was running the importing and handling of the chickens we wouldn’t have these problems…
Chani
I’m with CLUCK! I love what her said, swing them over your heads instead!
Eat money?
R. Gershon Tannenbaum says it’s preferable to use money? What’s he talking about?! According to that, schechita,
for any purpose(e.g kapporos, Shabbos/Yom tov meals, etc.)
should be banned. What does he eat on Yomim Tovim,
dollar bills?
As long as the shechting at the Kapporos centers
are done properly, why should that be a problem?
Censorship
Thank you Crown Heights.Info for posting comments that are critical of your website. You truly allow for a free exchange of ideas and opinions. Whenever I comment something critical of COL – they never post it. COL is the biggest censor of all. Now, they dont censor ridiculous comments, obscene comments and very stupid comments.They only censor comments that are critical of THEM.
Crown Heights Info, on the other hand, does allow for criticism of its website, which for me is a much more honest exchange.
So kudos to you and thumbs down to the other guys
Not for PETA
I will use chicken this year instead of Money. i sometimes use money. but when i see peta mixing into our lives it will make me do just the opposite.
To Crown Heighters
If you are going to use the Rebbe as a guide consider if he would write in all caps (assuming of course that he would comment on a forum like this). Writing in all caps makes it hard to read what you wrote.
Spurwing Plover
OETA can do us all a big favor by not trying to force its mindless aninmal rights philosephies on others