New Shiur in Inyonai Geula & Moshiach in 770
photos by col.org.il
In response to the horrific incident which took place last week in 770 Kvutse Bochurim started a new initiative, to push away darkness with light. A new Shiur in Inyonai Geula & Moshiach to be delivered by Rabbi Yisroel Shimon Kalmenson of ‘Vaad Hanochos B’lahak’ on a weekly basis. One of the organizers of the Shiur said “this is best response we can give to the incident tat took place last week”.
The Shiur was attended by a majority of the Kvutse student body and was a great success!
More pictures in the Extended Article!
The Shiur takes place every Wednesday night at 9:45pm.
1232
beautifull keep it up and let “the elyoni come down to the tachtonim” etc…
Chaim
Beautiful!!! I’m so impressed with this response!!!
Amazing sitetosee
Amazing, kicking people out and fighting only makes things worse, the true and only answer is Torah which always brings peace. Keep up the amazing work.
CR
Take down the signs! That’s how we can bring the light back into 770. Every day those signs are up is another day Lubavitch’s name is dragged through the mud. That’s what led to this in the first place.
avrohom resident of ch
to all who have not heard supenos
of the court are being sent to all
those who took part in the mayhem
of 770
and it about time
someone will pay a price those bochrim
better start packing there bags
Crown Heights Resident
This brings tears to my eyes. Those wonderful bochurim responding in such a constructive way.
They are not sitting home on their computers spewing hate. Like what has been going on here.
Yasher koach young men! We are so proud of you! You are bringing such nachas to Hashem and the Rebbe!
sam c.
Isn’t this from the anti mishichist group?
How do you have an anti mishichist group giving a shiur unders a huge “long live” banner, and a good portion of the group wearing “yechi” yarmulkes?
Does anyone think this is odd?
Is there really such a thing as non mishichist lubavitchers these days – or is just something that the shluchim are telling us out of towners about?
sheichen hashchunah
What is the schedule of the shiur?
Thrilled!
You are wrong. This is not the anti-mishachist group! It is a wonderful “mix” of people! There is a bochur right there with a yechi kippah on. The beautiful thing about this group is that, no matter their “leanings”, they are all learning TOGETHER, bringing Moshaich.
And who cares about the banners…They are only pieces of paper.
At last, some happy sanity!
B“H
YES! I agree with ”Thrilled!“
Last time I checked, there are 13 Principles of Faith that include believing in Moshiach and awaiting Moshiach’s coming every day.
So those yarmulkes and ”pieces of paper“ could apply for EVERY Yid, even those who believe that we do not yet know who is ”Ad-neinu, Moreinu, v’Rabbeinu, Melech ha’Moshiach.“
Surely, for whomever the so-called ”Antis“ believe is Moshiach, they will want this individual to ”Yechi…l’olam va’ed!” — RIGHT?
Please, Hashem, we can all agree on THAT, at least???
Yasher Koach to the organizers of the shiur! We’ve got to start somewhere!
C.R.
Pieces of paper that began the decline that cause the mindset of many of these bochurim.
The Rebbe would NOT have wanted the future of Lubavitch to be just about forcing people to “accept him as Moshiach” the Meshichists are destroying the message the Rebbe tired to give us and ruining the name of Lubavitch hurting us from accomplishing what the Rebbe really wanted.
Oh and by the way, I have a petition with over 250 signatures saying there are a whole lot more “non mishichist lubavitchers” than the tsfatim would like to believe.
http://www.petitionspot.com…
The signs aren’t just pieces of paper. It’s important the do come down.
If that paper said Accept Yoshke as your personal saviour and everything will be wonderful, would you then also say it’s just “a sign”?
To Sammy C.
I only see one Yechi Yarmulka.
The signs come down when their done with the court case.
MORE ACTION NEEDED
While this is very nice it is still not nearly enough.
Crimes were commited by people claiming to be Lubavitchers, claiming that they can see the Rebbe in the flesh in 770, but yet have no problems attacking other Jews physically and breaking some legs and other body parts and destroying the shul…in the prescence of the Rebbe in the body (according to them).
This is not the Oslo Peace Accords where we all have to sit down, pretend to be nice, suck up to political entities, and then in the background terrorists still continue their agenda and the innocents take the blame and get hurt.
In this case the agenda is the people of Tsfat, those behind taking down the sign last year, and other events, with their goal to destroy everything that the Rebbe ever stood for and blame it on the Crown Heights residents.
Yes, we should learn Torah, BUT OUR LEADERSHIP still needs to take some serious action, INCLUDING not allowing people from the Tsfat Yeshiva to come untill this is resolved and their Rabbonim seriously stop this craziness, and removing every Tsfat person involved in the fight from 770. Untill then, everything the Rebbe stood for will continue to be mocked and ignored by the leadership of 770
Wanting Moshiach now
TO C.R.
Not everyone who signed is a “non.” A lot of people signed because they believe the violence is wrong. And, because they want to make sure that our Torah, our Rebbe, and our fellow yidden are loved and honored. Please keep that in mind, and yasher koach for starting the petition (signed it) and for the shiur. Keep the positive actions (key words positive and action) coming. We really can make a difference.
More Details Please
How about some details on the daily Shiur; what time, etc.
Thanks
achdus
To Sam C.
You are a sick man! who cares what the person is! This is a wonderful thing. Why do you have to look for the negative?
yoseph yitzchak
A new Shiur in Inyonai Geula & Moshiach…It’s a beautiful thing that we have people learning Torah which is a Torahs Chaim. I just feel as if there are so many other appropriate shiurim which should be given to counteract the ma’aseh which took place.
770 is like the body of a “mais”. It’s just a shell of something which once had a heilike nishama.
I think each and every one of us is to blame. We all got caught up in the great hype “the Rebbe is Moshiach”. Our intentions were good. We thought the Rebbe would lead us out of our sufferings and we would serve Hashem without fear.
Rabboisai, enough with the Rebbe is Moshiach!! I don’t care if Yankel the butcher is Moshiach or Hagaon Reb Chaim Kanievski in Bnai Brak is Moshiach.
There are no words to describe what’s gone on here since the early ’90’s
Aveinu Malkeinu Shelach Refuah Shelaima Lchoile Amecha.
Chaim T
C.R
Lots of people who signed your petition are Meshichistim, they even say it so and many of the names are known.
You are not counting antis, please do not confuse anybody. You are counting those who are willing to act harshly against wild people.
Please, do not use what happened for anti-meshichist propaganda. Most of Meshichstim deplore those actions to the same extend as you are.
CH-er forever
As a staunch mishichist, who was vehemently opposed to what happened, and got at least 20 of the signatures on petitionspot to go up there, I must say, that this makes my chest swell with pride. Something positive happening from the whole negative situation. Bochurim, you epitomize Hamaseh Hu Haikar, and show the rest of the world, that as to punishments of the wrongdoers, you will leave that in the hands of the one who created them, Hashem. I am happy to call myself one of you.
Tzugekumener
To C.R.
Even I an outsider who has joined Lubavitch due to so many of it’s wonderful projects think that your comment is so out of whack. To compare your Rebbe, who may or may not be the true Moshiach to l’hadvil Yoshke is way outof line, regardless of your intentions. Though, I know you think that we “outsiders” dislike Lubavitch b/c of Yechi, I will tell you first hand that there’s plenty more you are mocked of, going all the way back to the alter rebbe, bashing the tanya too.
I for one, when I started geting involved with Lubavitch accpeted the fact that all of you believe that your Rebbe is moshiach, and I had no problem with that albeit, I may not be as starled if he weren’t
Bottom line: My opinion is that although the fanatical meshichist do make Lubavicth appear even more uncannily strange in the eyes of frum Jewry, it is the “anti’s” who always are covering up and hiding from others what they really believe, and try to turn things aroung and twist it sometimes really badly, they are the ones ones who mess up your name…
For the moment, I am still ivolved with Chabad and have no intentions on abandoning. My family and freinds have come to accept it and many even admire it. But I hope my point was able to shed some light on how you are perceive by mocking your very self beleiefs and your Rebbe in the impression of others.
Attn CR
No, that paper says a prayer that was said by hundreds in front of the Rebbe for two years.
And your analogy (to something one may say L’havdil about) frankly, smells of a lack of Yiras Shomayim…
C.R
To Wanting Moshiach –
I’m aware that not everyone who signed the petition is an anti, but at the same time I think we all realize the inevitable conclusion of what being a “Meshichist” brings us to.
Depending on the definition of Meshichist of course.
There is nothing wrong with believing the Rebbe is Moshiach. But what has happened is that there are now people who refuse to believe that The Rebbe is no longer with us in a physical form.
The Rebbe wants us to teach people about Moshiach but I can’t imagine he wanted us to forget about teaching people about the rest of the Mitzvahs as well.
The only thing I see with today’s Meshichistim are them acosting strangers and telling them The Rebbe is Moshiach, sing with us, dance with us, here take this yellow flag, yellow pink and see you next week!
The Rebbe wouldn’t have wanted this, and as you can see what has happened is that the “Meshichist” movement gave birth to the “tzfatis” and Chas V’Sholom worse if it is not stopped compeltetly.
In short (too late) we need to take down those signs and start reexamining the entire “Meshichist” philosophy
We need to get back to what the Rebbe wanted of us and that wasn’t forcing people to “accept his malchus” (which sounds like a whole different religion sadly)
To C.R
Wow, I cant believe how you compare the Yechi sign talking about your Rebbe to Yoshke, thats probably the lowest remark I have ever heard. Some Lubavitchers are worse than Misnagdim!!
Please Read
All you people out there ar eyou listening, Just becuase you cant stand shemotovs / krisnkys etc for right orr wrong but what CR says listen listen listen….
“The Rebbe wouldn’t have wanted this, and as you can see what has happened is that the “Meshichist” movement gave birth to the “tzfatis” and Chas V’Sholom worse if it is not stopped compeltetly.
In short (too late) we need to take down those signs and start reexamining the entire “Meshichist” philosophy”
Correct, We must be chachomim here and see the noilad
DOWN UNDA
they should have a shiur like this EVERY MORNING AND EVERY EVENING in 770 = מעט אור דוחק הרבה מן החשך and even more so – when there is alot of light and alot of these shiurim.
you need to overpower the סטרא אחרא!
Yasher Koach
just a question
My simple question is, is this “Shiur” L’sheim shomayim or not?
Tough question to answer, i think!
CH-er forever
CR
I admired you for your guts to start the petition, but come on,, dont show me now that u have the brains of the dumbest blonde out there. I refuse to believe that u cant see reason. Being a Mishichist, does not condone being a mishugener. I know that there are extremes on both sides of the coin. On the Anti side there are extremes too. I dont believe anyone should be an extremist. I dont know where u get your chutzpah from, to compare The Holy Rebbe to the like forms of the one that the Rebbe wouldnt even utter his name from his holy mouth, calling him Oisah Ho’ish. I hope for my sake that I misunderstood you, lest I start to believe that you are from the extreme Anti camp, without a backbone to stand up to what and who Lubavitch really is. I thought u are interested in achdus. I sincerely hope I am not wrong.
residen of the schuneh
i would like to think that the buchrim that are by that shiur is not the group from tzvas i my self a crown heights resident will attend that shiur next week to learn and see if its the tzvas group with the flags becase rabbi kalmonson i take my hat off to you if you are sitting with those chayas its a gun ready to fire off just by acsiden say one wrong word in your shiur and will go thrue this whole chilul lubavitch again … good luck rabbi and hitzuch its sad to say but there really is no way but there way
yossi g
i have no hate in me but i will say that the guys who are learning are not the tzvas mishegoyim the tzvas buchrim are in 1414 looking for a new plan how to end this shiur because they dont start the shiur with yechi…maybe benches again who knows ???
rabbi kalmonson you a good jew
WAKE UP YIDDEN
In Melbourne Australia there was a sign in wood with the words of Yechi, hanging in the Lubavitcher shul (otherwise known as the Yeshiva) for a number of years before Gimmel Tammuz. when The events of Gimmel Tammuz unfolded someone went into the shul and removed the wood sign. When Rabbi Yitzchak Groner, the Rav of the shul became aware of it, he insisted that it should be put back. His reason was that if it was hanging there from before it isn’t proper to remove it. and it went back up. what gives darkness to the shul is the hatred towards the Israeli bochurim and their like response. The unfortunate incident that took place is the fault of both parties involved. and the nicest thing that could happen is if someone who is of a different mindset on certain issues and attitudes can see fit to go in there and have a shiur with those “evil” monsters, this can only help the situation all around. kol hakovod to all those taking part in this positive action. and hatzlacha Raba.
Anonymous
Tzugekumener wrote:
“…it is the “anti’s” who always are covering up and hiding from others what they really believe….”
I’m Not letteing you get away with that statment…
What?
When?
Were?
Please explain!
Gezhe to Anti
I can’t speak for tzugekuminer, rather here are my own feelings and how I share with his sentiments somewhat.
When you have an official Lubavitcher spokesperson speaking with others and saying that Lubavitch really condemns “Meshichstin”, without differentiating between the fanatics and the rest – we have several problems. I call these people the “apologists”. They are sorry that our Rebbe has the possibility to be the potential Moshiach, at least of our generation. They always will try to convince people that “normal” Lubavitchers don’t believe in this nonsense…. They will tell this to the media with utmost conviction. Then to their utter dismay, a week later David Berger reveals their true colours that they also “believe” as almost all Lubavitchers do. This turned out to be quite embarrassing. This episode is no fabrication. It’s happened just this past Gimmel Tammuz in the mainstream Jewish media. When you try to outdo the Misnagid, you give a much worse impression like the secular apologetic Jews who are constantly outgoying the goyim. In that sence the tzugekuminer, who most probably knows from experience, is telling us that we make a much bigger mockery of ourselves, and become culprits of disdain and ridicule from other ‘kreizen’. Perhaps Tzugeminer will shed some more light on his own words, but to me the point seems quite clear.
On a personal note, I strongly maintain that when individuals believe that they have the only right way, that’s when we have the problems. Now, that problem unfortunately exists on both sides of the fence. Fortunately, most of the contemporary buchrim who I know and I’m acquainted with are tired and apathetic to all the politics. We rather move on with life and make the Rebbe happy by fulfilling his directives. Ultimately, it us whom the Rebbe has charged with mission “to do all” that we to bring about the imminent revelation of Moshiach – the Rebbe.
Oisiyois Poirchois
In reality there is no such thing as a mashiachist and anti-mashiachist.
There are meshugoyim and then there are the narmalleh mentchen.
However, the best thing so far is the eventuated shiur b’rabbim about ge’uloh and Moshiach.Vechol hamarbeh harei ZEH meshboch!
to Wake up Yidden
Are you a liberal?
Are you retarded?
What gives darkness to the Shul is the hatred towards the Israeli bochurim? Are the Shluchim partially at fault as well? Why? Because they had the audacity to farbreng without asking them?
When you try to sound very understanding and equal you end up being choished biksheirim! The only people guilty are the ones who rioted, the ones who let it get to that point and the people who say e-e-e-e-everyone is at fault!
I guess you believe AIDS is not because of irresponsible actions, it’s partially the fault of the abstinent Amish men as well!
Thanks for the boring trivia about the wood carved yechi sign in Australia!
yoseph yitzchak
To Gezhe,
In order for you to make the Rebbe happy you need to change from your misguided ways. I suggest you start learning Gemaara, Halacha and Chassidus.
If at that point you still think the Rebbe is Moshiach, I suggest a top Phsycologist
mendel
grow upp ppl… do something to bring moshiach anyway u think is right… or say yecih or have a moment of silence…
Gezhe
Yosef Yitzchok:
You have a chssidishe name. Whose chasid are you?? I personally made it quite clear what I believe as do most Lubavitcher chassidim, even most antis. There is no mitzvah to believe that the Rebbe is Moshiach Vadai, nor do we have to proselytize that. However one who can outright deny the Rebbe’s candidacy for Moshiacg, is no chasid. Believe it or not, many chassidim of other gutte yidden believe that their nasi is the potential Moshiach too. Today they all emulate our ways. But it’s the new liberal Lubavither only who could make such outlandish remarks as did you.
Please use more caution when speaking about the Rebbe. Thank you.
To Yosef Yitzchok
Are you a Lubavitcher? You are really out of touch!!
You ain’t with the program.
yoseph yitzchak
Gezhe,
I’m definitley a Lubavitcher, someone who the Rebbe would be proud of. Apparently you consider yourself a Lubavitcher too, well you know what? I am nothing like you!!
B”H I don’t live in Crown Heights and have to be around you and all your cohorts. I should use caution when speaking of the Rebbe? Coming from someone who defames the Rebbe everyday?!
On that fatefull Gimmel Taamuz when I passed by and asked the Rebbe for Mechila I had to suffer with listening to you and your friends walking by and screaming YECHI right in front of his holy body.
Yes I am different than you and I will just let you know that there are hundreds just like me and wheather you like it or not we will prevail for only one reason. We are following the Torah K’Halacha and those who do will always come out on top.
Again the main point why I wrote was to commend these Bochurim for setting up an extra shiur but I think there are other topics to focus on to counteract the ma’aseh which took place.
Gezhe I daven for you everyday,
Aveinu Malkeinu Shelach Refuah Shelaima Lchoile Amecha
Menachem Mendel
Yosef Y.:
You are a Lubavitcher? What a misguided Lubavitcher indeed.May you return from your forsaken ways.
Yoseph Yitzchak
Menachem Mendel,
What have I said that is misguided?
Can someone out there tell me what’s so misguided?
The Rebbe ZT”L was the Nassei Dorenu the guiding light for all of yiddeshkite. His teachings have left an everlasting effect on the whole world. I can go on for a few hours now.
Just as the Rebbe said after the passing of the Freierdicke Rebbe: Even though he is now in the olam haemes he is still with us here right now as a Tzaddik leaves his Torah and teachings. As we know the Rebbe has and continues to better our world.
Is it misguided for me to think that the Rebbe passed away? Is it misguided for me to think the Rebbe is not Moshiach? I have forsaken my roots because I believe this?
I haven’t been to 770 in a long time; it hurts too much to see it the way it is now. All I can rely on is what people say goes on there and what I can watch on Google video. What I see that goes on there is misguided and forsaking not only Lubavitch but the Jewish religon as a whole.
CHer
Now you defame the shchuna in which the Frierdiker Rebbe chose to reside and which the Rebbe zy’a called “Kan Tziva Hashem es Habracha”. What is it with you folks? All you can do is fight, and call each other names along with that stoop the Rebbe and his community down to your tawdriness. This is despicable. If you are a shliach, then you are so strongly connected to Crown Heights, home of The Rebbe. 770 should be your home address, not the place that you call such horrible names. Why do I hear individuals belonging to the lefty camp referring to 770 as Al Aqqusa and calling the Rebbe’s holy place from where he davened and orated his sichos over so many years as “al quida’ l’havdil elef havdalos. Yosef Yitzcho, your message wreaks from unchassidic arrogance and animosity towards Chassidim and you new hoaks of what you thinks makes the Rebbe happy. You are the only individual who makes the Rebbe turn over in his kever. You are the one who has the chutzpa along with berger to denounce the Rebbe’s possibility to be Moshaich. Shame on you and your cohorts.
To YY
How low can you go? You seem to have stooped way below the line.
To Yosef Yitzchok
You call yourself a Lubavitcher? A misnagid is more like it. Just so you know, there are no Lubavitchers that think like you. And if there were, they would be embarrassed to speak the way you do. Even the Antis believe that the Rebbe will come back as Moshiach, at least they think there is a chance, you have totally lost faith in your Rebbe. It bothers you that they are learning about Inyonei Moshiach? You sound more like a Misnagid than a Chossid of the Rebbe.
TRUTH BEHIND THE TRUTH
“Again the main point why I wrote was to commend these Bochurim for setting up an extra shiur but I think there are other topics to focus on to counteract the ma’aseh which took place.”
It’s that last line which gives you away, akin to “I like you – it’s your guts I can’t stand!”
Learning inyania geulah and Moshiach was of paramount importance to the Rebbe. Read the sichois in the latter years. And they are doing this outside of the usual sedorim. That principle never left with gimmel Tammuz.
What would you rather? Nigleh? That’s in the morning and afternoon. Chassidus? That’s in the earlier morning and evening?
Halacha? Also part of the seder.
All your psychobabble about asking the Rebbe mechilah was very touching. But when sugegsting this is not the best thing they should be learning in their free time – I suggest you go back to the Ohel and ask the Rebbe mechilah again.
Or are you not really who and what you claim to be?!
Please be sympathetic
People, I dont think that we should condem Yosef yitzchok, for not understanding the Rebbe and what he stood for. We just have to be lucky that we understand and know what the Rebbe has taught us. And that is certainly not to put down another Yid for not being as knowledgable as we are. That is our job, to uplift another yid. And to guide him in the right direction (if he is willing). Some people are Poshut ignorant. They dont get it. They don’t or do not want to get it. We know that the Rebbe was not like any other. We know he didnt just pass on and his legacy lives with us. We all know there is a lot more to what our simple minds can understand. Some people can not fathom that Moshiach is something real, something that is very imminent. That is what the Rebbe has been trying to tell us. Moshiach is no longer something in the far future. It is very very near. This is what the Rebbe focused on in his last few years, more than any other subject. The Rebbe could not stress enought the importance of learning about Inyone Geula Moshiach.
And when the Rebbe says that Moshiach is coming out of 770 and that 770 is Gematria Beis Moshiach, that is something we dont take lightly. And we all know the Rebbe made no mistakes. This is our Nisoyon. We just need to be more sympathetic to our fellow jews who do not understand this the way we do.
Yosef Yitzchok, if you have an open mind, learn more about Moshiach so you can get a greater understanding. Good Luck!!!
Yoseph Yitzchak
To CHer,
1) I’m sorry to those in Crown Heights whom I may have offended. I have many friends and Rabbeim who live there and I appreciate their friendship very much. It is not Crown Heights I have a problem with; it’s just those who I’ve been talking about that I have a problem with. You say that all we do is fight? Please follow this link and tell me who’s fighting http://crownheights.info/in… maybe I understood wrong?! Or maybe on a personal note, the last time I was in Crown Heights, the brawl I witnessed at the Simchas Beis Hashoaiva a year ago. These people were not people with a Yiddisher Nishama let alone Chassidim of my Rebbe. I defame 770? Where people part and make room for the “Rebbe”, sing Yechi and point at his chair?! These people do not act like Yidden let alone Chassidim of the Rebbe. I make the Rebbe turn over in his kever, Chas Veshalom! My friend that defaming the Rebbe right there!
2) To you who wrote that I’ve stooped way below the line, please explain your comment?! Read over what I wrote so far and tell me who has stooped below the line.
3) To you who wrote that no Lubavitchers think like I do, obviously you know that’s not true. There are many who “believe” like I do. That’s obviously just a baseless comment. Have I lost my faith in the Rebbe? Well I haven’t lost my faith in G-D. Is that good enough? I study the Rebbe’s teachings every chance I have. I practice my daily life according to how the Rebbe would want and taught. The Rambam had an Ani Maamim saying I believe in the coming of Moshiach and I believe in it with every breadth I take.
4) Truth Behind The Truth: your first point is well taken I may not agree but what your saying is true and I understand what you’re saying. As with your second point, Im positive I don’t need to ask anyone Mechila.
5) To Please be Sympathetic: It seems as though you have a good heart. Please read your point over again to yourself but this time with my stance instead of yours. That may be helpful to you and the others who feel the way you do.
Also, your mention of the Gematria reminds me of a story said over by Reb Zalman Jaffe. He once found this Gematria scribbled into a Siddur in 770. Upon the next time he saw the Rebbe he opened the Siddur and showed it to the Rebbe. The Rebbe looked and then let out a little laugh.
Shimi Klein
Dear Yosef Tizchak,
1) I am a fellow Lubavitcher who is also hurt by the current situation in 770, of certain individual doing things that aren’t quite in Lubavitch style as you have very eloquently described. However, I never begin to refer to 770 or Crown Heights in some of the ways that you have. My advice: Please be a little more cautious and sensitive when referring to 770 or Crown Heights, the Rebbe’s holy shchuna.
2) As a contemporary Lubavitcher I am very disturbed and somewhat perturbed by your adamnce against the possibility of the Rebbe being Moshiach. I’m sure you know that most Lubavictchers actually believe with a certainty that the Rebbe is Moshaich vadai. However the ones who are doubtful or uncertain at least maintain that it’s possible for the Rebbe to be Moshaich.
Some may argue that your beliefs denounce your acclaimed hiskashrus and commitment to the Rebbe. If I may ask, would you mind to be a little more elaborate on your beliefs… I already know all the Meshichist theories and they all have good basis. I also know the theory of all those who say that it’s still possible for the Rebbe to be Moshaich, based on Torah sources. However, being that you are certainly form a minority of individual who maintain your school of thought, please explain how you know for certain that the Rebbe is NOT Moshiach and why you so strongly oppose anyone who does believe he might possibly be Moshiach or wish that he should be Moshiach, so to say if he had an electoral choice.
Please answer my questions, all of them, as they strongly puzzle me.
To conclude, it is well known that not too long ago, when a reporter approached Harav Yehuda Krinsky asking him if he believed that the Rebbe was Moshiach, he retorted back “Do you have any better candidate?”
Yoseph Yitzchak
Hi Shimi,
It’s obvious that you have not clearly read what I have written above.
1) You say I should be more cautious when referring to 770. I made one mention of 770 where I said “770 is like the body of a mais, it’s just a shell of something which once had a heilike nishama”. I am right on the button with that comment. In my opinion 770 was once the most holy place here in chutz laaretz. What is 770 now? Like I said before read this article and you will be reminded of what monsters now live in 770 http://crownheights.info/in… It’s also a place where people part and make room for the”Rebbe”, sing yechi and point at his chair. Don’t be in denial it’s nothing like it once was. You say I should be more cautious when referring to Crown Heights? Like I wrote before, the last time I was in Crown Heights I witnessed a brawl at the Simchas Bais Hashoeva. I in my life have never seen Frumme Yidden fight like that and I hope to never see that again. I will not be more sensitive to these people who are sinning in the name of the Rebbe. This all takes place in 770 and Crown Heights. If you have neighbores who are reshoyim either you can remove them or remove yourself.
2) Most Lubavitchers think the Rebbe is Moshiach vadai? That’s a baseless comment. You must be living in a little shell.
“Some may argue that your beliefs denounce your acclaimed hiskashrus and commitment to the Rebbe”. LOL that’s hilarious. Only an ignorant fool would actually believe such a thing. Those who believe that are people who are going against the Hailike Torah chas v’shalom.
You write that you know all the Meshichist theories and they all have good basis etc. etc. My school of thought comes from the Torah. If you tell me that Rabbi so and so says that the Rebbe is Moshiach, I’m certain that he’s not a Rov who” knows” Torah. With all do respect your not someone who is well versed in The Torah and it’s halachos. I can explain to you a hundred times how your wrong but it will never be understood because your heart and warped mind wants to believe otherwise. If you really want to know the Torah view on all this you’d go to a competent Rov who can explain it to you and don’t tell me that all of them are meshichist because I would respond that you’re a shoteh if you believe that.
About your cute little story. Do I care what he told a chazer eating reporter?
Are you telling me that there are no rightious people living in our times?
You are living in a sick dreamland! Enough with your ignorance! Now Please go away.
Aveinu Malkeinu Shelach Refuah Shelaima L’cholie Amecha
Shimi
You have yet to answer my real underlying questions. Besides, I think you are terribly mistaken, thinking that most Lubavitchers follow your persuasion of beliefs. That’s just not the way it is.
There was no mention made in your comment why it isn’t possible for the Rebbe to be Moshiach, if according to numerous halachik sources, it is possible for Moshiach to be even form the deceased. Besides, do you think it possible for the Rebbe, the one whom you admire, just like you admire Rav Aurbach, Pam or any other Chassidishe Rebbe of another “kreiz” (so it seems from your context), the one whom you chose to be mekusher to, despite all the other righteous Rabbis of our day and age, to be Moshiach, or is that flat out kefira and avoda zara for a chasid to have such a wish. I am not talking about the lunatics, I am referring to rest of Lubavitch, the “normal” ones.
I ask about people like Rav Heller from Crown Heights, who is definitely not from the Meshichist camp, or Reb Yoel Kahn, who also is not a vociferous Meshichist anymore. However, they both made it very clear, that there is possibility for the Rebbe to be Moshiach, but it’s not our task to point fingers or focus on that until the ultimate hisgalus occurs, when we will all find out. But they definitely, quite clearly don’t deny the possibility, as you seem to . Please don’t leave hanging in the air….!!
yoseph yitzchak
To Shimi the Meshugenah,
For the time being I will leave the Halachic sources as you say out of it. First of all I couldn’t care less who Moshiach is and for someone who actually cares who Moshiach is, I call you a certified Meshugenah!! Why do you want Moshiach to come? Why did the Rebbe focus on Moshiach? So that people can call him Moshiach? The Rebbe knew that his days down here were coming to an end and that’s why he focused on the topic of Moshiach. The Rebbe couldn’t care less who Moshiach is. Whomever G-D chooses to be Moshiach will surely be righteous. If the Rebbe is not Moshiach will you still join us in Eretz Yisroel or will you stay in Crown Heights in protest?
Do you think Hakadosh Boruch Hu wants us to chant Yechi? Do you think Hakadosh Boruch Hu wants us to believe the Rebbe is Moshiach? NO!
We are here to follow the Halachos of the Torah, to do the will of G-D. Everything else is naught. You wasting your time in Yechiland is naught!!! Neturie Karta wasting their time protesting with the PLO is naught!!!
It will not make Moshiach come any quicker.
As a chossid of the Rebbe, I learn and follow the Rebbe’s teachings and therefore I am a chossid of the Rebbe. There is no way to be closer to the Rebbe then to learn his teachings, now your telling me a great chiddush that one step closer is to believe that he’s Moshiach. Thinking that your Rebbe has a chance or a possibility leads to people who think that he’s vadai Moshiach which leads to people who believe that that he’s still alive now, which leads to people to hang up signs on an Aron Kodesh and to dance with flags during Davening which leads to people to throw seforim kedoshim and rotten tomatoes at other Frum Yidden which leads people to throw benches and break the legs of another Yid which leads for people to get arrested for the sake of their living Rebbe.
Shimi what comes next? THAT’S WHY THIS HAS TO STOP NOW!!!! YOU HAVE LED YOUSELVES ASTRAY UP TO THE BOUNDRIES OF WHAT THE TORAH ALLOWS!!! STOP BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE.
Aveinu Makeinu Shelach Refuah Shelaima Lecholei Amecha
LoYechiB770 in Yerushalayim
Yosef Yitzchok,
You are like a breath of fresh air & B”H I am glad to see that there are more people who think the way we do than I thought!!!