R. Schwei’s Letter Regarding The Purim Banquet
This years signs for the Banquet, which is being done under the CHJCC and Vaad Hakohol, state that there will be “Family Seating”. Many people have turned to R. Schwei questioning this. Here is the letter he released in response.
The full letter can be seen in the Extended Article as well as the Hebrew version.
ALiba Dehalacah
it is intersting to note that when Moshe Rubashkin heard about the letter he came into the Vaad Hakahla screaming that Rabbi Schwei’s check should be stopped.
Fortunately Rabbi Shwei is made of stronger fiber and this makes no impression on him
Mendy on Carroll
Is this another example of Yankev Hertzog and his ilk using Rov Schwei for their own purposes to damage Moshe Rubashkin? Let’s face it: this is not about Rabbi Schwei, it’s about Hertzog and his revenge against Rabbi Osdoba for telling the community about this chutzpahdik arrogance. Hertzog will go to any length to cause machloches.
Rubashkin has done more for the community in one year than Hertzog and his do-nothing Vaad did in three.
Moshe Cohen
I think in the spirit of Purim, This letter should not have been published here. This Purim sudah is a great thing for the community there are families that dont have places to go for the seudah. A Family that gets together for a seudah should sit together otherwise its not a family seudah. If a person has a problem he can ask his rov or mashpia, and if wishes so dont attend but why the politics. Why do people in CH love politics why the hatred?? enough is enough, Grow up!! if you have an issue go say L’chaim on some Glenlivet or Grey Goose. Im sure there will plenty at the Moshe Rubashkin’s Purim seudah.
Zalman Minkowitz
I would hope that Mr Rubashkin Got a hetter from a Rov that allowed him to do this.
Instead of making Mr Rubashkin Look bad, I think that it should be Webbys Responsibility to Find out about this, and post Mr Rubashkins side of the story.
After all, He is making a Seudah for Crown Heights Residents. This is a very big Mitzvah, and a great Chessed!
Rabahjack
I am attempting to understand:
Wht is it that the Levush and all other sources who permit "families to sit together" are not mentioned?
Does Rabbi Schwei have a Mechitzah at his Shabboss table? It seems to be a very importnat matter. Maybe the energy should be focused on more importnat issues?
mendy
I heard that Rabbi Heller is also against it. Maybe someone from kollel could confirm this?
CH Resident
Kol Hakavod Rabbi Schwei!!!! Its about bloody time someone is taking this position in these issues. Crown heights is becoming another Flatbush!!!!!
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david ganz
why is Rabbu Schwaei being called names, did he not bring the Halacha from Shulchan Aruch, I think we are to tell the Shach and Taz and tha Alter Rebbe to change the Psak Din, becouse it is making Machlokes
Get a Life!
PLEASE! This is family seating. siblings and their parents will be sitting together. Like someone else mentioned. Does rabbi Shwei have a mechitza at his shobbos table? I he should establish one from now on since he would look like a hypocrite without one and look utterly ridiculous with one.
Kollel Yungerman
I am apalled and aghast at the circumstances surrounding this issue. Is this what CH/Lubavitch is all about today? To make compromises and to search for loopholes regarding tznius and halacha? For G-d’s sake, we need a Rov to alert us to something the stinks skyhigh? Is this a Herzog/Rubashkin matter? would this event under these conditions have taken place 14 years ago? The mecharcherei riv are trying to bee toileh this situation on Rubashkin/Hertzog RabbiSchwei/Rabbi osdoba. The truth of the matter is that some are trying to fan the flames of machloikes with attributing this to our differences of opinion, but the real reason behind this is Der Satan, who dances between us and found an easy way to weaken us and expose us to all kind of ……G-D forbid hayoi loi sihiyeh. In my opinion, if there are sefekois how to do things, let’s plain and simply follow shulchan Aruch oon patoor an esek. NO MIXED SEATING. I do’nt have the marei mekoimois offhand but that is the halacha.
inuff is inuff!!
finaly the comunity is having a big purim party now there has to be so meany issues..?!!
Orthodox jew
Mendy on Carrol St. is probably one of the Vaad hakshrus guys who was sent by Rubashkin to cover for all the damage he has caused in the Community. You are absolutely right that in one year he has done more than past vaad in 3 years.
In one year he has ignited the biggest Machloikes between Rabonim that is unprecedented even in Herzogs time.
In one year he has split his own Vaad up and caused a Civil war.
In one year he has split the Netzigim up and destryed the organization to pieces. Now he is on the way to destrying the Community at large.
Talk about chutzpa to the Rabonim? Look at his stupid letter on COL. Herzog never did anything like that and never would. I know him well and meant well. This issue about Horav Shwei being against the Purim Seuda has nothing to do with Herzog.
It is not about Politics. Its about Halocho! When it comes to Halocho you dont sit quiet and let each person act according to his conscience or Mashpia. In Halocho matters one must speak with a clear voice.
Bravo to Horav Shwei for not being nispoel from the maligim. a Freiliche and KOSHER Purim to all!
lost on president st.
Mmm. Lemme see. SInce when was sitting at a Purim Seudah with your family and other families considered a "Chillul Ha-Shem?" Yidden are being asked to daven together, so where is the issue.
Rabbi Heller
Last year Rabbi Heller in his Friday night shiur said specifacally that it isassur to sit together at such gatherings.
From a participant.
To Mendy and Moshe
You have not justified Moshe Rubashkin’s behavior of trying to cancel Rabbi Shwei’s check while yelling and screaming.
If he means only good then why this type of behavior against Rabbi Shwei?
Isn’t Rabbi Shwei entitled to his Rabbinic opinion?
To Zalman Minkowitz
Yes things can be done correctly but why is it so difficult to put up a mechitza?
Why does Rabbi Schwei get castigated for doing his duty as a Rov?
Are we goping to now go around getiing heterim on everything one Rav assurs? Is this mutar al pi din?
CH RESIDENT #2
I THINK THAT IT IS PATHETIC THAT A FAMILY CANNOT SIT TOGETHER FOR A MEAL !! WHAT DO THEY EXPECT TO HAPPEN IM SURE NO PERSON IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD DO ANYTHING STUPID WHEN ALL THE PARENTS AND SUCH ARE SITTING DOWN FOR A NICE SEUDAH FOR ALL OF CROWN HEIGHTS TO ENJOY. IN FACT I THINK IT IS A BEAUTIFULL THING ! IF SOME OF THE RESIDENTS IN CH WANT TO KNOW WHAT ARE PUSHING THERE CHILDREN AWAY FROM YIDESHKEIT YOU HAVE YOUR ANSWER..
To Moshe Cohen
Rabbi Schwei specifically writes that with a mechitza AS WAS DONE IN THE PAST (last year and 5783) it is permissable.
What is wrong with him expressing his halachic opinion?
peanut gallery
wow, ch is so amazing. u guys just cant seem to get along, i love watching this. its better then a movie. hope all of you figure it all out some day. let me know when your getting along again. (doesnt it say on the back of your hatzolah ambulance "v’ahavta l’raiacha komocha"????)
good for rabbi schwei
Its about time Rubashkin gets it over the head ,who does he think he is to go against halacha and a rov?
Zalmy the IV of Crown St.
So whats the difference now between a modern orthodox gathering and a Lubavitch one? The organizers should go to a few kiddushim in Young Israels on Long Island to get a feel for what happens at a mixed "family" seating event where there is lechaim and socializing. What a busha for Crown Heights and Lubavitch that we have sunk this low.
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Pro Rabbanim
More than anything, I am very disappointed in dovid sholom pape whi mc’s this event. The one who carries the degel of yiras shomayim. When in doubt, you follow the rules, not the rulebenders. Note, I am not saying rule breakers, i’m saying rule benders. Even dovod sholom pape succumbed to politics and is toeing the party line. So much for yiras shomayim
To lost on President
I feel sorry for you as you are really lost. Are we permitted to daven together?
So now we can condone conservative temples after all "Yidden are being asked to daven together, so where is the issue."
Why don’t you think about what you are writting?
To CH RESIDENT #2 wrote
It is quite intersting that the only way to stop pushing away our children from yidishkeit is by having a mixed affiar.
Hmm quite a novel idea.
Maybe havinng more respect for our Rabbis would help?
Maybe respect for halacha would help?
Shmuel Yosef
To Get a Life! wrote
Please a little respect for the Rabbi! Just because he doesn’t let you sit with a mixed crowd is no reason to be so disrespectful.
B-soch ami anoichi yosheves
What rubashkin did this year was not meant to bring people together but to tear people apart. When there is a issue that is shanuy b’machloikes, (in the past years the Rabbanim had voted against the event taking place with families together) you tend to try to avoid being noiteh to one side in order not to brinh the issue up again. Moshe Rubashkin advertised on purpose in a fashion that went specifically against one Rov. Now he is paying the price. His campaign to bashmootz and malign a Rov that was elected according to the Rebbe’s critera and according to the directions of the other Rov in the Badatz is going to backfire big time. He already lost his popularity among the community. He is already running out of money to buy off people. I just hope he doesn’t resort to cetain tactics that could get him into into water and spell trouble for him.
SMART MOM
ATT CH RESIDENT #2: WHO WOULD BE SO STUPID TO DO SOMETHING IN FRONT OF THERE PARANTS AND ALL? INDEED THAT IS A VERY ‘GOOD’ QUESTION!
WELL IF LUBAVITCH WAS WHAT IT SHOULD BE THEN NO WAY WOULD ANYONE…..BUT UNFORTIONETLY WE AREN’T.
AS FOR YOUR QUESTION I HAVE PROOF THAT PPL WOULD. WHAT HAPPENS BY SIMCHAS BEIS HASHUAVA? ISN’T THAT ALSO SUPPOSE TO BE A BEUTIFULL YOM TOV DANCING? EVERYONES PARANTS ARE THERE, EVERYONE IS THERE EVEN IF IT’S NOT THIER PARANTS IT’S SOMEONE ELSE WHO KNOWS THEM.
……….AND LOOK SIMCHAS BEIS HASHUAVA IS EVEN SEPORATE FOR WOMEN AND MEN AND WHAT HAPPENS THERE? IF YOU’D JUST WALK UP TO WHERE POST MARK IT IS IT’S MIXED LIKE CRAZY AND YOU DON’T WANNA KNOW WHAT GOES ON THERE. SO JUST IMAGINE IF SIMCHAS BEIS HASHUAVA WOULDN’T BE SEPORATE HOW MUCH MORE…………..I KNOW IT’S DIFFERENT EATING, AND DANCING BUT IF SOMETHING CAN HAPPEN BY DANCING YOU HAVE THE SAME RISKS AS BY SITTING DOWN AND EATING.
IF SOMEONE REALLY WANTS TO EAT TOGETHER WITH THIER FAMILY WHICH I THINK IS ONLY NORMEL,( I MEAN IT IS A YOMTOV AFTER ALL, I THINK YOM TOV IS FAMILY TIME) THEN GO AHEAD AND MAKE YOUR OWN SEUDAS PURIM AND YOU CAN MAKE IT EVEN NICER AND INVITE ALL THE COUSINS IF YOU REALLY WANT.
THIS IS MY OPINION I’M OPEN FOR ANYONE TO SAY WHAT THEY FEEL.
HAVE A KOSHERE AND FREILICHE PURIM!!!
Former col groupy
best thing about all of this, everybody jumped ship, the new information center CROWN HEIGHTS INFO, no more col, they’re off the charts. That’s what happens when you practice selective journalism. I wonder when CHI is going to begin letting advertrisers buy space on their site and really go big.
Rusashkin and co.
Why did rubashkin have to change it from last year? Last year was very nice men and woman separate in different places! So why is rubo changing things?
Is it because that last year he was selling us his —- that there is Pease but now his balloon busted so he is trying to fight rabbi shwei!!!
this is halocho
it is not against halocho to have family seating as its this way at every event in chabad and every dinner from the biggest rabbonim in chabad u just cant have mixed dancing and there arent any here
anyway may hashem help rabbi shvai to start following halocho and not other people
oh and for all those who dont know yet rubashkin does have a rov with him and thats rabbi osdobo
this guy is doing something great and ppl have to bash him
Ashrei
How do we know–who has documented truthfully all this talk about Rubashkin and Schwei’s check? The yellow papers Hertzog puts out as nitgim minutes to the shuls are his view, or Lebush Nash’s views against Rubashkin. Why do we believe everything everybody says?
Yitzhak Wagshul put it well in his own oped column- Crown Heights is a politically immature community: that goes for Rubashkin, Sperlin, Nash, Herzog,the netzigim- the whole bunch of them. No wonder Crown Heights is nothing more than a photo op for the politicians; they’re too smart to give real money.
Robert
Now I get it. You have over 3000 shluchim working for Merkos, Aguch, the best and the brightest from Crown Heights families whose parents and elders are not involved with local politics. You also have all these 30-40 something guys who can’t make it on shlichus and don’t have real jobs. And the community gets stuck with these loafers with nothing better to do with their time while the real mentches go out, rub 2 sticks together in a new town, or a college campus, make a fire in the darkness and create another Lubavitch success. While Crown Heights spirals downhill with unemployed real estate fakers.
anonymous
There is going to be a mechitza by the dancing,and whoever said that sitting with your family.
Response to Smart Mom
There happens to be a very major difference between dancing in a mixed environment, and eating!!! What dancing can cause, in no way indicates what eating a meal together can bring about. The problem with a mixed wedding for example, is NOT the eating but the DANCING.
EXTREMELY AGRIVATED
I WANT TO TELL U ALL SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!! BIGHT UR TOUNGES…………HOW DARE U ASK IF RABBI SHWEI HAS A MECHITZA BY HIS SHABBOS TABLE DO U THINK HE WROTE THE SHULCHAN ARACH….U SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF URSELF……SITTING BY THIS PURIM SEUDA WOULD BE LIKE SITTING BY A CHASUNA TOGETHER……….U ALL SOUND LIKE IDIOTS SO SHUT UP WHILE UR AHEAD OF URSELF
Bored, No Longer OT Bochur
For all those that don’t know, this isn’t the first time, when I was 7 years old which was before the first stroke, there was a big seudas purim in bais rivka, and yes there was family seating, we had to pay as a family, Mrs Nadler was the cook and i would say there were about 100 families there, and no one said anything!!!
There wasn’t even a haveh minah to think that it was wrong.
Like t’was mentioned before, "does Schwei have a mechitzah at his shabbos table" or in his succah? Abseloutly not! nor does anyone of us have a mechitzah.
Rabbi schwei is a nice guy but NOT a rov PERIOD. All he’s to blame for are the machloikos going on, Rabbi Ozdoba and I repeat ONLY R. Osdoba is the AV Bais Din, NOT Schwei, it is his duty to honor the P’Sak of the AV Bais Din, and to sit at his side EVEN though he may not agree.
Hashem gives the Power to a Rov, that what he says IS Halacha! Where does schwei come in and make his remarks, as we’ve seen b’fore the only thing schwei does is say the opposite of what anyone else says. What kind of a "rov" can he consider himself?????
senSE
U ALL ARE MISSING THE POINT! THE ISSUE IS NOT WETHER SOME MINGLING WILL HAPPEN OR NOT (THOUGH IM SURE IT WILL:) BUT THE FACT IS THAT THE RAV SAID SOMETHING AND THAT IS WHAT GOOEESS! WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND? IF SOMEONE THINKS THAT THEY ARE SMARTER AND BETTER THAN THE RAV, THEN MAYBE THEY SHOULD RETHINK AND MOVE OUT OF THIS COMMUNITY. ALL YOU PEOPLE ARE SO "OPEN-MINDED" THAT YOUR BRAINS FELL OUT! TRUE, PEOPLE LIKE ME ARE CLOSE-MINDED-BUT WE KNOW IT, AND WERE PROUD OF IT AND WERE NOT TRYING TO BE LIKE EVERYONE ELSE!!
Mr. Know it All
if rubashkin really wants to make a seudah for those poor families who cant afford it, why does’nt he make a public seder? when people actually cannot afford it?
instead he makes a mixed party where everyone (including single teenagers) gets drunk!
even if this was not an halachik issue (which it is), this is still a lubavitch community. and as chasidim we must follow what the rebbe said about mixed sitting…
the bais din has a achrayus to speake out when there is a communal event that is not up to this communities standards, no matter if there is a heter for it or not!
Moshe Cohen
According to shulchan aruch is is not permitted to daven together., But a seduah it says nowhere that one may not sit with family. Why the animosity? Unfortuanetly because people in this community love to fight and argue and when something is done right everone has their negative comments. and of course all in the name of g-d and yiddishkeit. That is exactly the reason why so much of our youth are not interested in this they see yiddishkeit as negative and a bunch of frauds. So people lets wake up face reality and instead of negativity lets love all and shoer all with positivity. All the rabbis in our community are great all Yidden are great! and all people that work for zurchei zibber there is special brochos for them and their families. lets help one another selflessly. May hashem bless us all. G-d bless Crown Heights!
to everyone
pls look up the last halaoche in hilchos yom tov alter rebbe shulchan aruch
mendy
A simple solution to the problem:Instead of all this money going towards a catered meal with a band, singers, speakers ect.,either
1:coupons could be given out by the vaad hakahal for food in crown heights stores so everyone who needs could afford their own seuda.
2:rubashkin together with the CHK could get together to lower the price of meat/chicken at least to the price of rubashin meat in boro park if not cheaper,that way everyone could afford their own purim,pesach,shabbos ect meals.
YL
It hurts my neshoma to read these attacks against Rabbi Schwei…. anyone who has ever had anything to do with him knows well that he is one of the most emesdik people out there today… he simpathysis with the schuna but answers a shaylah as a rov should, accoding to halacha….
This whole issure of mixed seating is rediculous… of course there is no problem sitting with your familly however when you have one familly sitting next to another familly that is when the problem begins, and then add alcohol into the picture and that is when the problem gets out of control, I cant tell you what halacha says about it because i am not a rov but from a seicheldik perspective as chassidim who should act "beyond the letter of the law" it seems abvious what we should do….
Moshe Rubashkin wants this blog to be filled with hatred, for some reason or another he has decided to actively tear apart the Rebbes Shchuna, for him this is not about the seuda or halacha it is about his desire to tear apart and besmirtch a community, he feels that if he makes us look bad anough in our hatred for eachother (and him) then his hatred for others wont be so bad….
WE NEED TO LEARN TO ACT LIKE YIDDEN AND LOVE EACHOTHER FOR THE MERE FACT THAT WE ARE YIDDEN, WE ALSO NEED TO LEARN TO RESPECT OUR RABONIM, IF YOU THINK THAT YOU KNOW MORE THAN THEM THEN MAYBE YOU SHOULD BE A ROV BUT UNTIL THEN YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO SAY ANYTHING AGAINST THEM…. ESPECIALLY B’ROBIM.
All i know is that if someone really wants to sit with their familly then they should have a seuda at home and if they want to sit at a large seuda then they should be sitting seperatly….
once again Rabbi Shwei has done nothing other than his job in pointing out to a community what the halachik perspective on an issue is… the choice still remains up to the indiviual as to what to do…
May HaShem ignore the sinas chiynam presented here and please bring the Rebbe imediatly to take us out of this darkest part of golus RIGHT NOW and end all machlokes!!! AMEN!!!!
Chaim Yankel Lebovitch and Yossel A.
it is okay to sit together @ a dinner, or any other festive event. this is NOT THE ISSUE here. its purim. poeple are drinking… and than what???
To Moshe Rubashkin
You should have known….
No good deed goes unpunished!, and especially not over here, what were you thinking, trying to take away financial burden and adding joy to families on purim?!?
Moshe Shmuel
hey Robert, aren’t you the guy who owes a big bomb of money to those "Real Estare Fakers". You sound like the guy who is perpetually jealous of those guys who have made it in life and you’re stuck in the rut of desparate existence. I know your kind, never a good deed goes unpunished.
Prias choiv, Mitzvah!!!!!!!!
to Sense(less)
Which Rov exactly is supposed to be listened to?
Why wasnt there a letter given against other dinner’s and Yeshiva/BR functions? because that’s a party for the wealthier people and therefore there is a fear of putting out a letter? or maybe because it’s Rubashkin making the event over here, and he doesnt support schwei, in any case, its what we call politically motivated, and the people that will suffer are the people who it would have been a lot easier financially, or families which would have benefited from a seuda with simcha together.
All in the name of politics!
sara
i think there are way to look at things theres a story where a person came to a rov and ask wether a chicken was kosher or not the rov spent a lot of time on the case so a yid would not have to lose out
as a young family with family (gesha) …………….
but no family what kind of purim suda is it not to sit together with my husband and young kids ???????
toshav hashchuna
i think rabbi shvei lost his right to give an halachik opinion in this case by coming out with this letter. if he really feels theres a big problem theres a propler way to handle it. did he ever call the vaad and explain his concerns? did he ever try to work things out behind the scenes? or just came out with a letter that damages peoples reputations? if he did speak to them first why didnt he write that?
at this point rabbi shvei is a nogea bedovar. who is right in the politics and fights is not my place to judge but because hes involved in a machlokes with the organisers he should be considered nogea and ignored when coming out in such a disgusting way.
happy purim everyone! may we soon see "venahapechu" and realise that our whole world was upside down and messed up.
123
im not backing anyone here but please dont try make this all fine and ok beacuase its families and its only families sitting together, eventually from such situations it all becomes one big family………………….. this isnt the way things should be if yes why cant people sit together by sheva brochos and small family functions – its only family………….?????????????
to all you pathetick people in ch
to all people who are againts this beautifull thing of someone sponsering a seuda for familys that need it, if on purim you are having a family eating with yours make sure to put up a mechitza.
to you
the letter from the rov came out 4 months after the planing of the seuda came out
Bored, No Longer OT Bochur
ohh and just for the record,
"Rav" schwei does NOT I repeat DOES NOT have SHIMUSH (which I know for a fact), which would render him not fit for rabbonis.
to all you bored souls
To all you bored unemloyed Crown heights’er:
1) go get a job
2) According to Halacha there may never be mixed sitting at a PUBLIC event! There are some out of town places that got a specific heter due to their individual circumstances. But in Crown Hrights???
3) The real shame here is that the p’sak din was not released by a UNIFIED bais din. if we would stop this infighting and start working at making the shechuna normal, then we would have a lot less to worry about.
4) As one who works with bochurim that have left, l"a. I can say that the reason why they are leaving has nothing to do with how people will or will not sit, rather this idiotic stabbing ourselves in our own backs that we love to do
COMPROMISE NOW
THE ANSWER IS COMPROMISE: NOT OF HALACHA
BUT IF YOU MUST OR WILL EAT AT THE SEUDA, YOU SHOULD REGISTER YOUR FAMILY NAME WITH THE COUNCIL AND YOU WILL HAVE A FAMILY TABLE. ALL OTHERS, WHO WOULD LIKE TO JOIN OR POP IN JUST TO SEE, YOU WILL AND MUST BE SEATED SEPARATELY.
ONLY THOSE FAMILYS WHO REGISTER WILL HAVE A SECTION FOR THEMSELVES AND SIT AS A FAMILY. BUT NOT ALL THE OTHERS WHO DONT NEED THE SEUDA
A Yid
Just wondering why we cant have some simonim of shulchan arouch posted, instead of each side saying with certainty that they are right.
Peace n Love!
confused
so how come by the bais rivkah dinner it was mix and everybody is silent ?????????
but here when somebodys giving free seuda to people who need it everybody starts yaping
a girl
ok fine, so from now on we should have mixed meals by weddings and for dancing put up a michitza. isn’t that whats going on here? also i realy dont like getting in to polotics but how dear someone call some eles what u ppl been calling harav shwei. this reminds me of somthing in school a teacher worned a girl to put s\t away and she didnt so the teacher took it away. from then on the girl went telling e\o the teacher was going against the shulchon orech by stealing. a few girls told her but doesnt i tsay in the same shulchon aroch about derech eretz??? the same here if u agree or disagree dont go calling a rav bad names and dont either tell ppl. not to listen or egnor him. REMEMBER DERCH ERETZ IS #1
SHIMON
HOW LOW CAN WE GO!!
THE REBBE SPECIFICALLY VESTED ULTIMATE AUTHORITY IN THE ELECTED BEIS DIN, BUT EVEN IF THE REBBE HAD NOT SPOKEN THAT SICHA THE BEIS DIN OR ROV IN A COMMUNITY HAVE ALWAYS HAD FINAL AUTHORITY! IF WE LIKE THE PSAK OR NOT WE HAVE TO OBEY THE BEIS DIN. THIS IS HOW THEY RULED. OVER THE YEARS THERE WILL ALWAYS BE TIMES WHEN A PSAK OR TWO WILL "BOTHER" US, BUT IT’S NOT ABOUT US, IT’S ABOUT THE AUTHORITY OF THE TORAH. HOW MUCH MORE SO WHEN THE REBBE SPECIFICALLY STRESSED THE POINT WITH TEARS IN HIS EYES!!!
THERE HAS BEEN SEPERATE SEATING UNTIL NOW-THIS IS THE ATTEMPTED CHANGE. MAYBE WE SHOULD GO BACK TO FAMILY AND GUEST SEUDAS IN OUR OWN HOMES IF SIMCA IS BECOMING MACHLOKES.
YECHI MOSHE RUBASHKIN
Will start with a question and answer
The question is: What did Crown Heights
Gain since Rabbi Schwei was elected ?
Simple and one word answer MACHLOIKES
Now to the matter of SEUDAS PURIM
With all du respect to the rabbi .
(and I du respect rabbi schwei just I don’t
Respect his advisers) please go ahead Rabbi
And organize a SEUDA with a mechitza so
The unfortunate who can’t afford a nice meal
With KOL TUV on the table will have the
SIMCHAS PURIM who stops you ?
And now to the SEUDAS PURIM by
Moshe Rubashkin.
The men invite every JEW to have a happy
Day on the PURIM day with full meal and
Dignity. WHAT IS WRONG WITH IT ?
Did any of you saw yet a restaurant with
A mechitza ? (yes a pizza in a garage in wlbg)
If this SEUDA is good enough for
RABBI OSDOBA to participate its good
For all of you .
RABBI SCHWEI PLEASE.PLEASE.PLEASE
GO OUT OF GOLUS OF YOUR ADVISERS
AND THE KROUSES . THY ARE NOT YOUR
FRIENDS .
AND PLEASE START DOING
SOMETHING GOOD FOR OUR COMMUNITY
MAYBE BUILD A NEW GMACH .
YOU CAN BUILD A MIKVEH OR 5 MIKVEH’S
A NEW WOMEN’S MIKVEH. HELP THE KIDS
OF CROWN HEIGHTS TO GET THE EDUCATION
MUCH NEEDED .
p.s.
why is this good enough for rabbi schwei’s
daughter and grend kids ?
YECHI MOSHE RUBASHKIN
YAARICH YOMIM AL MAMLACHTO
I am sure that in the next elections to vaad MOSHE RUBASHKIN will get 99% of the votes not only 75%
This Might Work...
From the teachings of our sages:
When one hears something not good about another Jew, even if he is a stranger, one should feel great pain because one of them is definitely not in a good situation; if what was said about that person is true, then it is not good. And if it is not true then the person repeating it is in a not good situation.
(Hayom Yom p.112 A tradition in the name of the Ba’al Shem Tov.)
On a more positive note:
The Torah commands us to speak (Emor). This speech cannot be referring to Torah and not to idle talk but – as explained in the Medrash – it must be referring to words which can accomplish something.
Regarding Lashon Hara it says that besides the people involved in telling it (the speaker and listener), the person who it was told about also gets hurt. The reason for this is that although a person might have potential bad inside him, it can remain there if nobody makes mention of it. However speech has the power to reveal what is hidden (e.g. thoughts) so by discussing the person’s bad they are actually digging it up, thereby causing the person to act that way.
If this is how it works for the bad, it most definitely works that way for the good – which is always more effective than the bad; through discussing another person’s good (- there is no such person who has absolutely no good) you can dig it up thereby making him into a good person.
(Likutey Sichos 27 Emor 1.)
May we all merit success in our missions each in our respective fields, and with the help of one another – like the Tzemach Tzedek said – the unity of Chassidim will lead them to Moshiach.
Happy Purim to all!!
anonymous
I heard that the reason that Rav Osdoba approved of family seating for the seuda is that Rav Marlowe in the past had approved of family seating and Rav Osdoba did not want to negate what he said.
NU
I also second the idea of beis rivka dinner was mixed, just becaues it was out of the schuna, does that allow it to be permissable????
Even in recent years OT made all aspects of thier dinner compl;etly seperate, such is the s=custom of chabad chassidim, Instead give all families theor yom tov need and they wil have a better tim,e, and have a concert following afterwards
Irony
Hmm…Ironic that we’re all fighting over going to a purim seudah!!!
The last time a rov told the jews not to go to one of those, the jews also all laughed at him—
JUST THAT TIME THE ROV’S NAME WAS MORDECHAI…
V’DAI L’MAVEN…
poll results
I don’t know if anyone noticed, however it seems that the majority of residents here in CH (at least as represented by the CrownHeights.info Poll) are AGAINST the seating arrangement at this event!
The results so far…
13 People agree with the arrangement, while..
278 Think it is wrong!!
and still counting!
This should speak for itself.
I applaud Rabbi Schwei , and whoever else published letters in agreement with him, for standing up to the pressure and doing what is right.
Masha
Being there is no Purim Edition for shmais.. I found this article that is very relevent.. funny!!
http://divinelite.blogspot….
ShmaisReader
How is it possibly assur to have mixed seating at any event? (cf SHUT Bnei Banim vol. 1, on the humra of the BaH, which contradicts the Talmud.)
SHMAIS.COM
ALL THOSE WHO FEEL THAT ITS AGAINST HALACHA,-DONT COME!!!- ITS GONNA HAPPEN WHEATHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT RUBASHKIN WILL GET IT DONE WITH R’ SHVEIS’ "ANNUAL LETTER" LIKE HE’S DNE B4
IF YOU FEEL ITS NOT GOOD THEN LEAVE THE JOYUS EVENT FOR ME!!
AND BTW IT SO HAPPENS TO BE THAT THIS IS GR8 CHESSED ‘CAUSE THERE ARE FAMILIES THAT DON’T HAVE WHERE TO EAT ON PURIM R"L
CKV”S
out-of-towner
You all should know in "out of town" communities, including BIG places like CA, etc… "family seating" is not only done, but it is EXPECTED for most events. I’m not talking about stam a Shlichus opprotunity, but major Purim Seudos, with very Frum Chassidish ppl, and also modern and also totally not frum all sit together men women, and children, and better yet, sometimes they start dancing… with no mechitzah, but in two seperate circles. I’m sure they have some type of backing for it, but it’s interesting to see how "out of towners" don’t bat an eyelash for this stuff when CH’ers are so "midakdek" on the Halacha of it. It’s intersting…
MICHTAV LKOVOD HORAV SCHWEI
PLEASE STOP INSULTING THE RESIDENTS OF
CROWN HEIGHTS
YOU ARE VERY STRONG ON THE BACKS OF
POOR PEOPLE.
BUT I DIDN’T SEE A LETTER FROM
THIS GREAT RABBI ABOUT THE GRAND DINERS
WHERE CHASIDISHE YUNGELEITE SITTING
AROUND A TABLE WITH SOME DIGNITERY
WOMEN THAT ARE DRESSED ALMOST
LIKE CHAVA BEFORE ETZ HADAAS.
BUT I DID HEAR ABOUT THE MELAMDIM IN A YESHIVAH
IN BROOKLYN THAT CALLED THE HANHOLO TO
DIN TORAH FOR BACK PAY AND THIS GREAT RABBI
WHO CARES SO MUCH ABOUT THE
PURIM SEUDA IS THE CAUSE
FOR THIS MELAMDIM NOT TO GET PAID IN WEEKS.
KOL DMEI ACHICHO TZOAKIM.
HOW COME WE DID NOT HEAR YOUR
VOICE RABBI SCHWEI
HOW ARE THIS MELAMDIM MAKE
A PURIM OR A SEDER PESACH?
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE STOP PLAYING POLITICS
YOUR VOICE IS NOW A POLITICAL VOICE.
THE VOICE OF THE KRAUSES AND THE REST
OF KAT HALEITZIM …….
start counting
poll results wrote:
I don’t know if anyone noticed, however it seems that the majority of residents here in CH (at least as represented by the CrownHeights.info Poll) are AGAINST the seating arrangement at this event!
The results so far…
13 People agree with the arrangement, while..
278 Think it is wrong!!
and still counting!
This should speak for itself.
I applaud Rabbi Schwei , and whoever else published letters in agreement with him, for standing up to the pressure and doing what is right.
_____________________________________________
since when is 291 people most of crown heights last time i was there without counting i saw at least 2000 people roaming the streets and this website actually no web site represents the whole crown heights
anonymous 3
to all those who say this is a political letter, not a halachik one:
if i remember correctly the whole Ozdoba-Schwei fight started over this issue -the seating arangement by the purim seudah.
i may be wrong but thats what i seem to remember.
if thats the case it’s hard to call this letter by R’ Schwei purely political.
according to all You people who say R schwei is wrong why do we need machitzas by chassunahs etc.? (i love the way you guys make this "family seating" thing sound. as if there’s just one family sitting in a room with nobody else there)
to bored OT Bochur:
i was by that purim seudah in B.R. and i have a pretty clear recollection of a mechitzah there.
to those who say Rubashkin is doing great things and R’ Schwei is just looking for machlokes:
if rubashkin was really just looking for peace dont you think he would just make the party with a mechitzah, like he did last year?! obviously he is looking to provoke a fight.
all these "poor people with no place to go" can have a purim seudah with a mechitzah as well.
to those who say all R’ Schwei did since getting elected (YES he did get elected, by a MAJORITY of the community’s voters in an election sanctioned by R’ Ozdoba) is cause machlokes:
1. did you ever entertain the possibility that the real cause for all this machlokes is that R’ Schwei’s super strict (at times to the point of insanity) adherence to halachah is interfering with certain individuals’ money/kovod/power etc.? (i’m not saying this as fact, just an option to consider)
2. can somebody list at least one good thing rubashkin has done for the community since getting elected? (other than double or quadruple whatever machlokes already existed?)
Moshiach NOW!
If the Rabbonim have differences of opinion over how a matter that affects the public should be decided, shouldn’t they discuss the matter together before bringing their opinions to the public? The bais din is supposed to consist of three members-maybe they should get together and if there is a dispute, to take a vote over what the final halachic decsion should be. If the bais din can’t get together, perhaps a whole new bais din should be elected.
chavi
i am for familys sitting to gether, just by the way my cousins from new square, belzer chassidim ect.
a shobbos table is the men sit on one tabe and the women another you could go that way
Polls
whats the % on all the polls being conducted by experts in every election? much smaller % than the % 291 represents in CH.
Maane lemichtov
To the one that wrote the michtav lekvod harav Schwei
My question to you did you go and clarify by Rabbi Schwei before coming out public? Here some points:
1. The mix dinners are not in CH and are done by mosdos not by the Kehile. When the kehile made a dinner in OT Rabbi Marlow paskned that it must be with a mechitzah and it was and was a kidush shem Lubavitch
2. Regarding the melamdim when the nitvah says he wants zablo they have to go to zablo if the melamdim really wanted to be paid why don’t they go to zablo are they playing politics here? They need the money or they have time to wait and fight?
3. Do some research and you will find out how many yungelait come for help to Rabbi Schwei and how many times he empty is own pockets to help families. Everyone in CH knows that Rabbi Schwei goes out of his way to help in any form or way.
Zecharya
to michtav lkovod….
Again all you see in front of your eyes are dollar signs. That’s all that gets you going, your dishonesty is transperant. You are a nogeah b’davar when it comes to the salaries of the melamdim and bus drivers. Is it because Rabbi Schwei dosn’t want to get involved in a din torah that was brought before a different Rov he shouldn’t come out and right a wrong he sees being done in the community? I thought you were more intelligent than that. Vaist ois that ich hub zich genart, what bothers me most is your importing your tipshus from col to CHI. This site is for intelligent people, Zolen dee chachomim gain tzoo CHI oon dee naaronim to col.
The silent Majority
To Start Counting,
There was never a doubt that most of anash are against such an event
There was never a doubt that most of anash support Rabbi Schwei
There was never a doubt That anash are sick and tired of the corruption surrounding todays VaadHakahal/Hakashrus.
To our consternation, the most vociferous and media hound propagandist of the abovemenntione vaad through their dissemination of pashkvil oriented letters and their control of kehillah pursestrings give the false impression that they are the Daas Hakahal. In truth, the real daas hakahal are the across the board frum and chassidishe people of out neighborhood who kvod elokim hester davar is paramount to them, who shy away from making public the scandalous and unfortunate situation that has become of our leadership. Never fear, the truth will come out when the Rebbe’s true ratzon, halacha, menchlichkiet will prevail and the REAL people will DIDAN NOTZACH, and to CHI, thanks for offering your platform in giving the truth the opportunity to be heard. A frelichen Purim
Yeka Staff
The only hesitation I have is the fact that alchohal will be involved.. that could get a lot of Taruvos goin..
REAL QUESTION: What’s a bochur to do? Will there be a special bochurim table for those not going with family, or are we barred?
Jacob
To yeka staff,
didn’t you read Rabbi schwei’s letter????
just wondering
Do you think the REBBE would participate and sanction such an event?
Emes Ma-eretz Tiztmach
Let’s get the facts straight!!!
Harav Schwei is percieved as being the weaker link in the Badatz because he practices that what is demanded from us from the inception of Darkei Hachasidus: BITTUL. Self nullification. He preaches the exact same to the people around him. Gaavah -unless it is Vayigbah liboi bedarkei hashem- is abhorred by Chassidim and is a midah which is vehemently quashed and hated. Ka’as-anger- is another midah which is compared to Avodah Zarah. These midahs- Gaavah and Ka’as are the most foreign object to harav Schwei. Until his contemporaries achieve the a madrega of ma’ois b’rah in regard to the midos of gaavah and kaas, we unfortunately will not be able to function as a unit. That is why Harav Schwei is crowned with the title Der Chassidisher Rov. Another midah which is prevalent in Harav Schwei’s lingi is to’isi. He is not afraid to admit that mistakes are made. His contemporaries will never admit to error, they will always try to find a way to finagle the truth and try to come out looking good. People can’t constantly be fooled. The Hechsher fiasco has already proved that. The truth will always emerge victorious.
yank
ok, i have a few points to make first of all we are still in galus bec of base less hatred for one another .even if there is a lot of money at stake,ppl have to ask them self whats more important there money or the beis hamikdash the end to this galus and the rebbe back with us begasmiyus.number two, the complaint that ”why cannot a famliy sit togeher ” or ”it is not nice that a family cannot sit together” in my opion that it is a stupid arguement bec halacha is halacha thats the bottom line.number 3 this is a comment to rabbi schewi u said one opionon what about the others ? i think everyone attending the suda should ask there mashpia or a their rabbi or shliach or someone they respect . and one last thing i am disgusted by waht ch /lubav as become
JUST LOOK AT POLL RESULTS!
HA! JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THE POLL RESULTS YOU HAVE THE ANSWER!!!!!!
shliach770
bsd
This is the klunginker trying to erode the Chassishe values of the previous generations. The melech zokain uksil is using all sorts of arguments to erode and uproot the tznius values of Chassidim. Let us remember the avoda vort
Dos vos men tor nit
tor men nit tor men nit tor men nit
un dos vos men meg darf men nit!!!!!
CROWN HEIGHTS RESIDENT #2
OK SO HERE IT GOES I PERSONALLY THINK THAT EVERYONE IS ARGUING JUST TO GET THERRE OPINION HEARD (WHICH I AM TOO I KNOW) BUT IT ALL COMES DOWN TO THIS MOSHE RUBASHKIN WAS TRYING TO TO A NICE THING AND RABBI SCHWEI FOUND IT NOT EXACTLY A NICE THING SO LET THEM FIGHT THIS ONE OUT..IF YOU BELIEVE IN THIS SEUDAH AND WOULD LIKE TO ENJOY IT THAN GO DONT DO ANYTHING STUPID BUT HAVE A GOOD TIME AND IF YOU THINK ITS WRONG THAN DONT SIMPLE AS THAT..(JUST BTW I AM AN 18 YR OLD FEMALE WHO HAS FRIENDS THAT ARE NOT EXACTLY ON THE DERECH THAT SHOULD BE AND I KNOW MYSELF THAT THEY WOULD NEVER GO TO SUCH A GATHERING TO "STIR" UP ANYTHING IN THE TROUBLE CATAGORY. ITS JUST STUPID ON ANYONES PART..SO FOR ALL OF YOU WORRIED PPLE IN CH JUST GO OR DONT GO BUT DONT POINT OOR WORRY SO MUCH!
Back to our roots
Regarding Bais Rivka
Many years ago it was quite rare to have seperate weddings. Litveshe made mixed weddings.
The Rebbe was very strong about seperate weddings.
Today we find that the vast majority of frum orginizations have their affairs seperate including Litvishe.
With ONE exception – Lubavitch.
It was discussed before the dinner of BR concerning the possibility of having seperate seating but it was felt that certain people coming would not appreciate seperatre seating(I’m sure they would have appreciated crabs and "entertainment").
Le poel these people did not show up and the majority of the olam was unzerer and of course sat together
Mitzva goreres mitzva not only was it mixed but the kashrus was also sorlely lacking.
They served pas palter, the hall was not at all kashered acoording to our staandards having been kashered ben yomo etc. The list goes on but kedai bizayon vaketzef.
The time has come for Lubavitch to be back in the forefront in raising yidishe chasidishe standards le mehadrin.
We should be mekariv Jews by bringing them closer (up) to the Torah not by bringing the Torah (down) closer to them. This was the mizrahi way of life.
Let us imagine that the Rebbe was coming to the Seuda. There is no question there would a mechitza lemehadrin.
In the spirit of ahavas yisroel (mishloach manos)and Ora zu Torah the time has come to made hachlotos tovos not to look for heterim but to go back to our roots of being mekayim mitzvos behiddur!
Ve Layehudim haysa ora vesimcha vesaason veyikar KAIN TIHIYE LANU!
Choiker
by the way does any one knows how was seudas purim by the Rebbeim? Seudas Yom Tov were only men there women sat in dif room.
Shlomo yehudah
To CH Resident
Don’t you thinkt that Harav Schwei has the responsibility to alert his people in the Community to this obstacle? He would be negligent if he would keep quiet about it. I have an solution for you. Send someone into 770 and have them approach any of the many frum and chassidishe people in 770 who are known not to get involved in politics, put forth before them the scenario Rubashkin is trying to do on Purim and let the answer you. What do you think their response would be? I believe you know the answer yourself. Granted, it is a good thing sheves achim gam yachad, acim with achim and achois with achois. I gaurantee you that the overwhelming majority of the attendees will be delighted with the outcome plus the fact that they would be doing the ratzon of the Rebbe and the Halacha. It behooves me to grasp what Rubashkin is thinking placing an ad and hanging placards with a large picture of our Rebbe that states that there is going to be an event that is trying to circumvent halacha and is bringing machloikes.
Reality
What taynes can we have to a yungerman that gives out aprox. 50K to make people happy on Purim. Please stop the nonsense!!! In which world are we?
Chaya Sarah
Dosn’t anyone know the medrashim about how the downfall of the yiden started that culminated in the Ness Purim??? The seudah of achasveroish that started with following the halacha then bending the halacha then breaking the halacha then maachlois asurois trefois unevailois yayin nesech etc??? My little boy brought papers home from yeshiva with the whole story. It’s time adults refreshed their memories and chapt zach tzoom seichel!!!!!
Apparrently there WILL be mechitsos
what makes me say that rabbi shwei’s letter is political is the fact that he doesn’t claim to have in any way checked on the facts!!
rabbi shwei’s letter is MEDAYEK from the posters that there will be no mechitsah, but agrees that it will be a great event if there are trees in between each table like in the previous years.
the organizers claim that there WILL be trees between each table!
(i spoke to a close friend of ruabshkin and to phyllis mintz of the chjcc listed on the posters as the event coordinator)
this leaves me with two questions:
1)why didn’t rabbi shwei report any attempt to find out what they are planning?
2)now that rabbi shwei’s letter has come out, why don’t the organizers publicize that there WILL be mechitsos?
To Choiker
Thank you for your astute comment.
See Likutei Sichos from 5748 page 303 (sicha on Taanis Ester)
Ther the Rebbe said clearly that where "Laich knos es kol hayehdim" is involved there should be a clear mechitza!
yossel
Hey Reality, Hakesef yaaneh ess hakol?
What planet are you on, in other words, what neighborhood do you live in?
who is your Mashpiah?
shmarya
to apparently,
rubashkins placards clearly and plainly wrote that the meal will be mishpochois mishpochois and the dancing will be separate, I think it is you trying to make didukei aniyuis
shmarya
to apparently,
rubashkins placards clearly and plainly wrote that the meal will be mishpochois mishpochois and the dancing will be separate, I think it is you trying to make didukei aniyuis
simcha zoosel
interesting to note, most of the very rare few comments in support of moshe Rubashkin have invective and zilzul against Rabbi shwei. an interesting parallel. is it just my imagination? a coincidence? or does it have a deeper meaning. In my opinion, those in support of Rubashkin in chassidishen shprach Mainen nit dem inyan, nohr zayer inyanim. The chutzpah and the zilzul from these menuvalim and mookai shechin transcends any enushiyois and just shows what these shkotzim are made of. As opposed to them, the overwhelming support for Rabbi Schwei comments are written in an aidel cultured way, taking the high road (not to mention the correctness of the spelling). R’ooh mah bein bmee l’bain chami.
jas
"abi der shochen hot hano"
vd"l
SMART MOM
ATT CHOIKER:
YOU SOUND PRETTY CORNY.
ARE YOU REALLY SO IGNORENT OR YOUR JUST ACTING LIKE IT?
IF YOU HAVE JUST YOUR FAMILY BY A TABLE THEN MEN AND WOMEN DO NOT HAVE TO BE SEPORATE.
I NEARLY LAUGHED WHEN I READ YOUR COMMENT! JUST SOUNDS LIKE A PERSON WHO’S TRYING TO ACT STUPID OR SOMETHING………..
AND IF YOU HAVE GUEST IT’S YOU WHO INVITED THEM AND IT’S IN YOUR HOME THEY WOULDN’T DO ANY THING…….
BESIDES THAT BY THIS PPL ARE GETTING DRUNK……….IT’S A BUNCH OF FAMILIES, UGH! I CAN JUST IMAGINER HOW IT’S GONNA LOOK!
I THINK WE WOULD BE ON THE SAFER SIDE TO NOT HAVE A SEUDA AT ALL THEN GO TO THIS ONE, I MAMASH THINK OF IT AS ACHASHVEROSHES PARTY! (NO WAY AM I CALLING RABASHKIN ACHASHVEROSH, CHAS VESHALOM! I WOULD NEVER TALK IN SUCH A CHUTZPDIK WAY LIKE SOME OF THE COMMENTS ARE, ABOUT RABBI SHVEI) IT’S LIKE A TEST TO SEE IF WE ARE GONNA PASS IT……….
ANY WAY THIS IS JUST SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT
MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION.
HAVE A HAPPY PURIM
GIRL
ATT SMART MOM:
I COULDN’T AGREE WITH YOU MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU MADE YOUR POINT CLEAR AND IF SOMEONE READ YOUR COMMENT AND STILL DOESN’T AGREE, THEN THEY ARE JUST LOOKING FOR PROBLEMS NOT A SOLUTION.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING IT!
AND TO ALL THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE STILL IN DOUBT, JUST LOOK AT RABBI SHVEIS LETTER!
WHETHER YOU THINK PEOPLE CONVINCED HIM TO WRITE IT OR WHAT EVER YOU MIGHT SAY JUST TO CONVINCE YOUR SELF THAT HIS LETTER IS TRASH, JUST LOOK AT WHAT HE WROTE.
HE BRINGS A PROOF FROM IGROS KODESH.(THATS WHAT THE REBBE WROTE!!!!!) HE DOES NOT ALLOW IT TO BE MIXED!!!
HOW COMPLICATING DOES THAT SOUND? I THINK IT’S BLACK AND WHITE WHETHER YOU SHOULD GO TO THE SEUDA OR NOT.
HOPE YOU ALL GOT MY POINT AND HOPE YOU MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION!!!!
HAPPY PURIM TO ALL!
SENSE
gggggggggggggggoooooooooooo
SMART MOM!!
Boulevard
Moshe Rubashkin could do as he pleases, He is not asking for any assistance in making this happen. if people don;t like it they don;t have to go. I think it is very nice that he is reaching out to the communitty.
Chazak V’amatz.
a non-political chosid
A number of years ago, Rabbanim in Crown Heights put up a sign in 770 saying: There should not be speaking during davening… immediately, a man seeing the sign
began to yell: "IT’S ALL POLITICS"!
Is BASIC HALACHA politics?
Is TZNIUS politics?
Yashar Koach to Rabbi Schwei for trying to protect the kedusha of our shchuna, of our youth,and ourselves….
How many seats are there at the tables in Oholei Torah?
8? 10? What if our family is less than 8? Who joins our little cozy table?
Fences in halacha were created by Hashem to ENHANCE our family life…. Let the wise man take this to heart…
Mora Pessie
Masha:
Is that a real pic. of the Bes Din getting along? Is it a joke about mechitzas at shabbos tables or is there really such a ruling?
Re:
http://divinelite.blogspot….
Not a friend of Achashverosh
Remember the very first Purim party, run by Achashverosh himself? He deliberately seated the men and women in such a way that tznius would be a problem. Achashverosh was no fool! He knew that he had to do SOMETHING to make sure we wouldn’t have the merit of rebuilding the Beis Hamikdash!
Moishe Rubashkin is a nice guy and he really means well! But it looks like Achashverosh and Haman are still doing their dastardly deeds, BY CONFUSING THE MINDS OF GOOD AND WELL-MEANING CHASIDIM!
What will we lose if we stand for tznius and holiness
(insiting on SEPARATE seating) –only the Golus!
What’s to be gained? Geulah
Reb Dov
Moshe Rubashkin got a Heter from the Rov of Crown Heights.
If you do not like the Heter, stay home.
Have a happy Purim!
Fardreited
Wew are having a mechitza put up in my dining room so i should shouldn’t look at my wife and daughters. We are the going to drink filtered watered so not to eat any bugs C"V
This seuda in Oholei Torah has been going on for 10 years with the haskoma of Rabbi Marlow O"H and Rabbi Osdoba Shlita.
We thank Rabbi Schwei for further dividing the community.
I’m sure he has a mechiytza in his home so he should see his wife and the women who sit at his table
Weddings without mechitzas
Please see the sefer "Letters from the Rebbe", vol. 1, p. 77:
"."It is of no consequence whether her friends will be pleased as long as the Holy Torah is satisfied with the arrangements at the wedding."
"P.S. I am aware that there have been many weddings including ones of religious people, unfortunately without partitions. BUT I ALSO KNOW OF THE TROUBLES WHICH UNFORTUNATELY ENSUED."
(The signature of the Rebbe)
setting the record strait
i agree with the previous comment.
Any way, how can R. Osdaba poskin on anything in connection with M. Rubashkin. Isn’t he nogaya lidavor since he gets a free bungalo from rubashkin every summer (rubashkin brags about this all the time, just ask him)
The truth talks for itself
Boruch Hashem, that someone has finally had the guts to say it as it is that the Emperor has no clothes. Setting the record straight is 100% correct that Rabbi Ozdoba is in no position pasken on any issue related to Rubashkin. Besides receiving a free bungalow for the entire summer which has a value of close to $10,000, there are other perks and benefits that he receives courtesy of the Rubashkin family. Therefore, he is in no position to turn down a request from Moshe Rubashkin, and that is why he wont put his so called "psak" in writing because the truth is that he himself cannot justify it at all. It actually goes against what his real position is on such issues when asked by others where there is no conflict of interest. So for some one to say that Rabbi Shwei who is also supported strongly on this issue by Rabbi Heller, that he is dividing the Community is sheer nonsense. Whats dividing the Community is the tolerance for corruption. If Kashrus would be in the hands of the Community and under the auspices of ALL the Rabonim that would eliminate the corruption and you would then see an end to the fighting with a Beis Din talking with one voice. Unfortunately, you will not see that happen while Moshe Rubashkin is around since he has a vested interet in keeping the corruption and machloikes alive. He even had the audacity to announce last night at his party that there will be elections for new Rabonim. His message was clear; To the Rov that ruined our party , dont worry we will elect someone else and get rid of him and he wont be able to ruin it any longer. I urge the public to wake up and smell the coffee. Happy Shushan Purim
non political
Having wittnessing the Purim Seuda last night at Oholei Torah I must say it was all within the realm of halacha and endorsed by the Rov of Crown Heights-Rabbi Osdoba Shlita.
Now the question is does rabbi Schwei think halacha or his hentchmen think politics? Sadly I think politics is the name of the game.
An orthodox jew
non political is very political. Referring to Rabbi Shweis psak as political? If you would have read the previous piece by the truth talks for itself you would have realized that is impossible politically for Rabbi Ozdoba not to endorse that party. The only true psak is the one you chose to ignore by going there. Rabbi Shwei and Rabbi Heller as well as all Chasidishe Rabonim all over the world who forbid going to mixed parties according to halocho. You and your "henchman" have it all wrong. Who is playing politics?
Michoel Zisberg
To Boulevard/Itchie Gross.
How sad is this day when all opinion is based on personal and family matters as opposed to what’s right. It’s a pity that your brother’s fallout with Sperlin Nash Hetzog is affecting your personal view of a Halachik matter. Why not leave politics for the politicians and Halacha for the Rabonim.
First of all, he is inviting everyone on behalf of the CHJCC which is a communal organization and NOT a personal business venture. Consequently being that it’s a communal event he is subject to public scrutiny and critique.
Secondly, if you are such a strong supporter of the Vaad Hakahal, why don’t you have the Hashgacha of the Crown Heights Beis Din. Don’t get me wrong, I think you are a great guy in all, but let’s stop playing politics when in truth the Rabbonim are the ones that should be the ones deciding the communal seating arrangements for a COMMUNITY EVENT.
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"Mishpacha umishpacha"! See megilla. From a purely apolitical logical standpoint this is not a kal vachomer. A chasuna is dancing etc. A se’udah is eating and megilla says mishpacha umishpacha.
Am Hoaratzus
The megillag says mishpocha umiskpocho not mishpoCHOIS u’mishpoCHOIS!!!!!!!!!!!!