23 Comments

• question

  is this supose to be the picture of the guy harassing her?

• Buy mace

  Great! Just what we need during the quiet summer months….sickos & perverts.

  Thank G-d for Shomrim…you’re always there for us, not like the cops.

  Ladies, be alert at all times, even in broad daylight.

• anony mous

  the Rebbe in general asked that women not walk anywhere alone at night.

  if these things are also happening in the day maybe we should organize free van service for women like the community in Washington Heights does.

• Cee

  need to carry mace and pepper spray and make these crazies eyes bleed.

• concerned

  don’t wear expensive jewelry out, its not worth the chance. Look around to see who is walking around you (sad to say) and say tehillim or think Torah thoughts. Ahavas Yisrael comes in here, too…..even if you don’t know another yid, walk with or near them so we will be in larger numbers. Kids also should be told safety measures.

• John

  “Concerned” & “Buy Mace” are so right!

  Watch yourselves and your kids please!

  But indeed so important NOT to wear expensive jewelry when you walk alone!

• Lubavitch Woman

  This is a little bit over-dramatic. Harassed?? Followed after half a block?? First of all there is no way to tell if you are being followed for half a block – the guy was obviously on the block already. If she made a few turns or even walked a few blocks then maybe..but half a block?!! And he made a comment abut her walk – this is harassment?? She was “petrified” this was cause for this man to get a picture on this website to be watched out for – how unfair!!

  let’s not exaggerate and be so judgmental over someone from a different race. Yes, maybe he shouldn’t have made a suggestive comment to her, but just because that is something so unlike our culture, it is a pretty big norm for the outside world.

  I am a woman writing this, I am well aware of the dangers that can come on to woman and I am all for protecting woman of course, but this is just unfair. To make a man into a criminal because of a remark about a woman’s walk!!

  Also, it is more of a danger to do this – to focus on petty things instead of truly dangerous happenings.

  Let’s make sure to be kind to all of Hashem’s creations and people!

• Been there

  To Lubavitch Woman:

  When I was a girl, back in the day, I was followed in the middle of the afternoon (out of town) for a few blocks. I ran into a grocery, stayed for so long I had to buy something, & when I came out the creep was still waiting.

  He followed me down the block (we both ran!) & I made it to my cousin’s house. Fortunately she was home, the back door was open, & I ran in. The same guy attacked a woman a few days later.

  Now I’m shouting. DON’T EVER, EVER, BE SO SELF-RIGHTEOUS & DISMISSIVE OF WHAT I KNOW TO BE TERRIFYING!!

  You sanctimonious hypocrite! May Hashem keep you & all the other idiots safe. You obviously can’t look after yourselves.

  Thanks, Webby.

• Been There part 2

  PS…Yes, I SHOULD have told the store owner to call the cops. But at 16, you don’t have so much sense. Some people obviously don’t have any when they’re “Lubavitch Woman”.

• Flatbush yid.

  Lubavitch woman,
  Apparently he followed her for a FEW blocks:Get it? This was not a complimentary goyish compliment, if you follow somebody and they are running away it’s stalking!

• Been There TOO

  To Been there and Flatbush Yid: I was followed more than once in my life and B“H both times ended without any harm. I would definitely warn women to be careful. But the way this article is written is not well and the picture of the male being posted without him being arrested or doing anything that sounds remotely out of the ordinary for Brooklyn is NOT fair to the person. And to ”Been There” Do NOT call people names or judge them because that is being hypocrytical. It does not take a person to have been in the situation to realie that this situation was greatly exaggerated and badly portrayed.

  Instead of cursing some else out for their opinion, you could simply explain that sometimes it is better to be safe than sorry.

  I am not judging the woman for calling Shomrim. I am judging the picture being posted.

  And to all women out there; carry a phone!

  This should never be a probelm for anyone.

• Lubavitch woman

  Been there – you might want to attend anger management classes. Do not take personal hits on a person because of their opinion, it just devalues what you have to say. It just makes you look bad and distracts from your point.

  You obviously misunderstood my point. I am not saying not to be careful,and to be aware. Your story is completely different than the article’s. Of course, if you are running and someone else is running after you you should 100% call the police! However, for a guy to make a comment on your walk, that is merely a suggestive comment. Maybe the woman ran away and the man ran after her…but that is not what the article reported.

  I have walked with way too many woman or girls who start running away when a guy makes a suggestive comment. I’m sorry but many of these comments are being made by drunk Jewish boys as well – I don’t see them listed as harassers.

  To all woman: If you are being stalked CALL THE POLICE!

• stop the cruelty

  Lubavitch Woman was attacked on this site far worse than the woman on the street. I guess you’re only entitled to your opinion if you agree with everyone else. We should be more respectful of each other and not call each other idiots and other hurtful names just because we don’t all think alike. Lubavitch Woman shows great insight, common sense and compassion.

• Shocked

  To Lubavitch Women:

  Stop being so busy with your political correctness and take your head out of the sand.

  First off learn how to read, it wasn’t a half a block it was a few blocks.

  Second even if it was for half a block, if the women felt threatened then she has every right to protect herself. As a matter of fact the person following her probably broke the law. Battery is when you make another person feel they are in a danger of being injured, there is no physical act required. When he followed her and made a comment, she obviously felt threatened. It would be up to a jury to decide if he performed the act of battery.

  Third, “it is a pretty big norm for the outside world” for someone who claims to know the outside world I believe you are forgetting a few other “norms” for example: Rape, murder, theft etc. If you don’t think it’s the norm open the paper and read, it nebach happens every day. I guess you’re to busy reading the editorials in order to learn the politically correct terminology for the day and miss all the “junk” in the front of the paper.

  I am not saying that every person who makes a comment is a criminal, however if a large male was walking behind you and made a comment to you I hope that you wouldn’t take it as a compliment and continue on your merry way. I honestly feel that if you would find yourself in a similar situation, you would have walked into the shuk to give the guy the shake. I don’t think you would call shomrim, because you are obviously too selfish to care about another person and wouldn’t want to, chas vshalom, hurt the black mans feelings by having his picture taken. As long as he stops following you!

  Last but not least, don’t sign your comment “Lubavitch Woman”. You imply that an average Lubavitcher woman would agree with your comment and that is obviously wrong. Perhaps you should have signed it “Liberal Lubavitch Woman who has her head buried in the sand and only cares about what the outside world thinks instead of what is really happening” a little long, but more accurate.

  The fact is, as long as we are in golos we have to be careful. Thank you Shomrim and keep up the good work!!

• Been There

  To Lubavitch Woman

  Apologies for your hurt feelings.

• trying

  One thing about us Lubavitchers, we sure are self-righteous. It’s a lot easier to criticize others than to work on our own midos. Let’s stop judging eachother and start some good introspection. Perhaps Moshiach will come.

• MALCA

  TO EVERYONE:

  can we all please agree to disagree and not downgrade anyone for their feelings or opinions.

  if anyone feels endangered for any reason – the have the right as an AMERICAN citizen to call for protectiong – be it the police, shomrim or friends.

  thanks for letting me speak

• Lubavitch Woman

  Shocked – firstly, the reason why I commented is because I have been in that situation numerous times. I’ve spoken to many friends about this article after reading been there’s comment back to me and they all seem to agree the situation SEEMS to be grossly exaggerated ( the way it is writtern, it can be other events occured).

  In regards to your comment “I don’t think you would call shomrim, because you are obviously too selfish to care about another person and wouldn’t want to, chas vshalom, hurt the black mans feelings by having his picture taken.”

  I’m sorry but you don’t seem to be making any sense at all. I would be too selfish to call shomrim when I felt endangered??!?! what is that supposed to mean. In your comment it seems to be that selfish equates with not wanting to hurt “ a black mans feelings”??? Who are you?? who are you to be so sarcastic and so dismissive of someone’s feelings because they are a different color. It amazes me who calls themselve’s a true lubavitcher!! How can you speak with such mockery about another person?? Why doesn’t he deserve to be respected, because he’s not Jewish? to“chas v’shalom” care about his feelings…I mean who are you??

  And to call me me a liberal in a derogatory manner? If taking into account EVERYONE and actually caring about others, andd believing in equality makes me a liberal then fine.

  Jews were treated horribly in the past and continue to be treated as so…how hypocritical of us to go and behave to others as if they don’t deserve the same respect that we do??

  and one more thing – don’t worry about what i call myself, just worry about yourself and take a serious look at who you are.

  and thank you – stop the cruelty.

  apology accepted.

• very concerned Jewish crown heights neig

  To lubavitch woman>>

  Let’s see what happens when it ies you or your daughter..Better safe than sorry HAVE SOME COMPASSION!!!!

• Shocked

  Lubavitch Woman – If my logic is too hard for you to follow let me clarify. I believe that had you been I a similar situation you would have walked into a store to ensure your safety, however once you were safe you would leave it at that and forget anything ever happened. That is selfish because although you are safe the danger is still there, he is simply looking for a different target. In addition, I believe that one of the reasons you would not call anyone is because if you are wrong then you would be guilty of what you accuse everyone else of; judging people on their appearance.

  As for my comment “wouldn’t want to, chas vshalom, hurt the black mans feelings by having his picture taken” that is in direct response to your comment “this was cause for this man to get a picture on this website to be watched out for – how unfair!!” Why is it unfair? Let’s say for arguments sake that all the person in question did was make a disgusting comment while walking behind the woman. Is that fair to the woman?

  Now let’s look at what this article said, it gave the facts of a story in the eyes of the woman and urged Crown Heightsers to be aware of their surroundings. In addition, it has a picture of black male whom we assume is the male who did the following and commenting. Did the article say anything that wasn’t true? No. In your eyes it was exaggerated, that is your opinion and one that you can have. However, as to the fairness of the way the male was treated I believe you are wrong. He did something wrong and the repercussions of his act was that people know what he did.

  I am in not being dismissive of his feelings because of the color of his skin; I am being dismissive of his feelings because he is dismissive of other people’s feelings. That is where your logic goes astray and you make assumptions regarding my personal beliefs and feelings. You write “How can you speak with such mockery about another person?? Why doesn’t he deserve to be respected, because he’s not Jewish? to“chas v’shalom” care about his feelings…I mean who are you??” and “how hypocritical of us to go and behave to others as if they don’t deserve the same respect that we do??” That is exactly the point: Treat people the way they treat you. When a person treats me with respect I give them their proper respect, however when they treat a woman like a piece of flesh and make her feel threatened then you treat that person like the scumbag that he is!

  My advice to you is that perhaps instead of jumping on everyone for being a racist read what they wrote and you will realize that no one is saying that all blacks are criminals. What they are saying is that the majority of criminals (not including white collar crime) in Crown Heights are black. If Crown Heights was in the middle of the south and the average criminal was white the comments would say be careful if a large white male is walking behind you. All they are saying is be careful.

  As for your remark “It amazes me who calls themselve’s a true lubavitcher!!” I never claimed to be a “true Lubavitcher”, nor did I claim to speak for Lubavitchers as whole, I merely stated my personal opinion. Similarly, you should speak for yourself and leave Lubavitch out of your name.

• Please Explain

  To Stop the cruelty

  Maybe you could explain the great insight common sense and compassion that she is talking about; I don’t get it.

• i dont like mentioning my name cause....

  i think its nuts on kingston no police what the heck is going on

• 18 year old Crown Heightser

  To everyone:

  I’m not so sure anything was exagerated. I think it might have been the opposite.
  Remember, there are children who check this site. There’s a lot that wouldn’t be written explicitly.

  Firstly, the article doesn’t say exactly how she knew he followed her for a few blocks. It could be she zigzagged, or he walked really close to her.

  Secondly, the article doesn’t say what exactly was his comment. But use your common sense — obviously it scared her!

  I think it’s great that CrownHeights.info posted the picture. I feel safer knowing I can look out for him when I walk down the street!