Terror that Grips Lubavitch: Shameless Chillul Yom Tov
After we shined a spotlight on the actions of a group of violent thugs in 770 last week, thousands of Anash expressed their reactions in the form of emails and comments.
Several ‘angels of peace’ attempted to spin, rationalize and explain away their actions; but new revelations prove that those actions stretch further back – and are even more shocking – than we would all like to believe.
About six months ago, on the eve of Leil Shimurim – the first night of Pesach – while most Jews were seated around their Seder Tables and reciting the Haggadah, a group of Messianic ‘Tzfatis’ took advantage of the quiet in 770 to wreck mayhem, newly revealed footage shows. Armed with hammers and other tools, they set out to destroy the doors of 770, all in the name of their warped beliefs.
The group spent over three hours breaking and smashing the front and inner doors to the ‘upstairs’ of 770.
They spent over three hours breaking and smashing the front and inner doors to the ‘upstairs’ of 770. They wanted to accomplish two things, breaking in to the ‘upstairs’ Zal to host a Seder, and open the front door of 770 so that the Rebbe can recite shfoch chamoscha.
The group came armed with hammers, chisels, pliers, screwdrivers and WD-40; while some of them spent close to three hours breaking the hinges of the door leading from ‘downstairs 770’ to upstairs, other members of the gang broke open the front door of 770.
Sometime during that lull, a person with a key to the inner door unlocked it, not knowing of the vandalism that had occurred over the past three hours. Toward the end of the video you can see a man pull the door and it comes completely off its hinges.
After succeeding in busting open the front door to 770, and a sizeable crowd can be seen in the video gathering and doing a ‘victory dance.’ While celebrating their ‘victory’ they proceed to smash open the display case of Kehot Seforim and throw to the floor all of the holy books in which the Rebbe’s name appears with Ziy”a.
[Article continues below, along with photos]
Who Are these Thugs?
Shimon Belinitzky of Kfar Chabad (whose brother proudly testified against the Shomrim Six); Meir Friedman, a graduate of the Tzfas Yeshiva; Shmuel Lipsh, a graduate of the Tzfas Yeshiva; Yossi Halperin, a graduate of the Tzfas Yeshivah and Yisroel Granovater from Israel. These are but a few of the names that have so far been identified.
10 Years Later: The Enablers
The craziness of these Mashichistim and their terror tactics predates the founding of CrownHeights.info. It all began with Bentzion Frishman, Yaacov Thaler and Mendel Sharf – then three Bochurim in Kvutzeh – who took it upon themselves to ‘fix’ the plaque above the cornerstone without the permission of Merkos or Aguch.
Like thieves in the night, they came with tools and ripped off the old plaque – which itself had been defaced to remove the Ztz”l and Ziy”a – and installed a new plaque bearing Yechi and Shlit”a.
At the time, Merkos sought to quash the madness by involving the authorities, only to be temporarily thwarted by the Gaboim, who intervened and injected themselves into the lawsuit.
It has been ten years and hundreds of thousands of dollars since, and the legal matters are still dragging out, preventing those with the power and willingness to do something about this madness the ability to do so. Those keeping the matter alive are the current Gabboim of 770, including: Zalman Lipsker, Avrohom Holtzberg, Menachem Gerlitzky and Yosef Losh, who are continually thwarting Merkos’ attempts to put an end to this madness and remove these thugs once and for all from 770.
The Silence is Deafening
Though some apologists say that this is only a ‘friendly disagreement amongst brothers’ – or worse, claim that it is fabrication – these images clearly show that it is not; it is time to call a spade a spade and put an end to the madness.
The shocking violence and terror tactics, which stem from extreme fanaticism, have no connection to anything sacred and are not born of anything pure. This is not a difference of opinion; it is an attempt by some to force their opinions upon us all with the use of violence and intimidation.
Those who support this madness by virtue of their silence allow for the next generation to be brainwashed and follow in the footsteps of their mentors and indoctrinators. The release of these surveillance videos demonstrates that Halacha and the Rebbe do not factor into the actions of these men.
We attempted to refrain from exposing this madness in the hopes that it would be dealt with quickly and quietly. We now see how big of a mistake that was.
The Yeshivos back in Israel need to be held accountable, as does the central Tomchei Temimim here in Crown Heights – which runs the Kvutzeh program that hosts and provides for these dangerous elements.
Merkos and Aguch must be allowed to clean up 770, and pressure must be put on the Gabboim to keep them from getting in the way.
Ch resident
Report this to PETA! Vicious animals on the loose!
thruth hurts
unless aguch and merkos ( krinsky kotlarsky shemtov and herson and others dont come out forcefully it is time not to help them fundrraise or do anything until the clean this garbage up
for one year stop kevutza then the next year anyone for kevutza must sign a letter and agree that the rebbe zy”a seforim will noit be ruined but learned from
first mistake back home for army service
mendel hendel needs to be sued under rico for criminal activities as a mob leader
Chaim
STUPID!
Just WORSE than HORRIBLE!!!
ARE these ”thugs” insane??!!! Is this normal?
What is CH doing abt this?
Court Jew
The ones who are at fault here are Aguch. Krinsky Shemtov the big tzadikim. Why don’t they take these videos to the police?
Right after Yom Tov they should have called the police.
The second Sunday as soon as the hoodlums came to break down the door the police should have been there.
They have absolutely no backbone. All they do is waste a huge amount of money on lawyers (while people are starving) but don’t call the police on these hoodlums.
declasse' intelelctual
The rotten stench from this Chullil HaShem is a disgrace to the glorious tradition of Lubavitch and mocks all the great work that the Rebbaim have done for Yiddishkeit and the Jewish world.
Shame on Crown Heights Info for not raising this issue earlier when it occurred and for shame on all those who would look the other way, justify or support this horrendous actions.
There can be no shalom bais with these lunatics doing what they have done and are continuing to do!!!!!!!!!!
CHLEAKS.COM
Why shame on crownheights.info?
CH.INFO was one of the Shomrim Six who indured the great blood libel of the meshichist four years ago.
He stood on trial facing 15 plus years in a violent prison, not becuase he assaulted anyone g-d forbid but only he was and is THE voice of opposition.
Every one of the Shomrim Six was hand-picked for a reason.
Besides, don’t breath down CH.INFO ‘s back for not reporting this for…
A) he probably only got this info now from the powers to be.
2) the real and main problem is the power to be. They are the owners of the property and only they can press charges and only they can have these meshichistim thugs prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
The Cillul Hashem and chillul Lubavitch is not what the meshichstim are doing, its what those the Rebbe zt”l put in charge are not doing to stop this.
Until 5 to 10 meshichistim don’t sit on trial as the shomrim six did, this will never end.
These articles are all good and nice (and important as well), but its not going to have any bottom line.
Another thing: don’t look for others to save the day. If you are not going to take action or help and support those who are (with money and talent) then shut up and step aside…you’re in my way.
menachem man
i told you so…this is what happens when u follow holailus
They should be banned from CH
No more Tzfatis can come to Crow Heights, unless they wanna sleep on park benches.
Old timer
Oh my god. You gave me heart palpitations.
This is too sickening to watch oh my God what happened to my rebbes shul? what happened to his chassdim? how far have we fallen.
Love thy neighbor
oh my they need Salvation Quickly!
Thank you
Above all, a shout out to the editors for having the backbone to publish this and standing up for the Rebbe’s name.
m
They should be banned from CH wrote:
No more Tzfatis can come to Crow Heights, unless they wanna sleep on park benches.
A Shliach in CT
KOl Hakavod Crownheights.info, the only website with the courage to stand up to these thugs.
Col with their pandering and complacency to the thugs are becoming irrelevant, the place people turn to to know what really goes on in 770 and lubavitch is here.
Kol Hakavod!
CHLEAKS.COM
COLLIES is funded partially by the Mosser (informer) Chanina Sperlin.
This is why COLLIES will never allow a comment which reflects negatively on the corrupt Crown Heights Jewish Community Council, Inc.
Not even a no name calling comment like: “How and Where was $41 Million Spent By The Crown Heights Jewish Community Council, Inc.?”
But like I wrote above, We/You/I can’t rely that some superman will save the day. Superman is not real (sorry to disappoint). We/You/I will have to be the superman.
Don’t even rely on CH.INFO and don’t rely on myself.
Get real!
Close 770 entirely for a year may two and make it understood that if you don’t obey you lose it entirely… any comments that “This is the Rebbe’s Shul” NO ITS NOT This is not a place the Rebbe would call his Shul its been captured by shameful “people”.
We either waife a white flag and let them have their way or we SHUT THE PLACE DOWN UNTIL THERE IS ORDER!
a normal mishachist
you could be a mishachist and be normal there are some normal mishachistim that allow people to be entitled to their own opinion and learn with you not in a forceful way why they hold from their opinion but those people that are shown on the video are insane! but not all mishachistim are like that the best thing to do is to motivate not to force and to do stuff in a way that people will except it and the main thing to do is to respect the other person and his opinion
Chabadnik
No such thing as a normal Meshichist.
If your a Meshichist something is wrong with you.
A three minute conversation with you and I will know whats wrong with you and why you’re a meshichist.
don't be so obtuse!
You know you can’t “motivate” these people, they are obsessed and insane. It’s like the 1930’s when Hitler YMS roused up all his Blackshirts into anti-Jewish frenzy. Hendel & his buddies do the same to these stupid animals. The answer is for AGUCH to grow backbones and stop labkowsky, Zarchi & others giving papers. Tell Immigration. Deport them all, even the “harmless” ones.
Mishechist.
To 18, That is absurd. That is a huge generalization. Don’t call yourself ‘Chabadnik’
true voice
Thank you for being a honest reporter of the behavior of these lunatics.
Let it be known!
Shomrim Six
Not all Meshichistim are Mossrim, but all Mossrim are Meshichistim!
…For NOT ONLY ONE has risen up against us to annihilate us, but in every generation THEY rise up against us to annihilate us,
Mishichistim: A Movement of Mosrim
Pesach 5771/2011 Upon a visit to Israel I had the opportunity to meet up with my extended family at a family Simcha (uncles, aunts, cousins and second cousins). We had all come to spend a Shabbos together to celebrate my niece’s Bat-Mitzva.
One of my cousins who was 19 years old at the time was officially a “student” at the Tzfat “Yeshiva” (the Mishichist headquarters). This year (2011) was his second year at this institution.
My cousin knowing I was one of the Shomrim Six, and who stood trial for six weeks, facing 15 plus years in prison if g-d forbid found guilty, related the following to me.
While we sat on trial, the Mishichistim “Bochrim” in his “Yeshiva” were all excited about the prospects of Shomrim being convicted and sent to prison, he said that for six weeks (the course of the trial), the Yeshiva was more alive and joyous then usual.
“The Bochrim even said Tehillim with the hopes of having the Shomrim imprisoned”.
Every day the Bochrim would get updated as to the proceedings of that day in court. The discussions in the study hall, dining room and dorm rooms were all about the trial.
For six weeks everyday “his friends” would tell him with a smile from ear to ear, “your cousins are going to jail”, “your cousins are screwed”, “we will show them whose boss” etc…
I asked my cousin if this was just a few individuals or the Yeshiva as a whole and to this the reply was the Yeshiva at a whole.
I then asked how was the reaction after the ‘not guilty’ verdict?
“They were all down and depressed, their spirits were down, they couldn’t look me in the eyes, this was a big hit for them” my cousin said.
I have a brother in-law who at the time was as-well in Tzfat “Yeshiva”. I wanted to confirm that what my cousin was saying was indeed true and so that Motzi Shabbos when I returned to my in-laws home, I asked my brother in-law about how it was when we sat on trial, he said the same exact thing as my cousin, only they told him that “his brother in-law is going to jail”, his brother in-law was screwed”.
The Shomrim Six Mesira was not a Mesira of a few Mishichistim, the whole Mishichist movement (locally in Crown Heights and aboard in Israel) was involved, and they were all excited; praying that the Shomrim Six be found guilty and imprisoned for 15 plus years.
When we (the Shomrim Six) became aware that we are actually going to go to trial, we did everything we possibly can to stop it.
We reached out to Meshichitim “Mashpiyim”, Meshichistim supporters (those doing money laundering business with Mendel Hendel), all to no avail. Being that one never can predict how a jury of 12 strangers will rule and to prevent a major Chillul Hashem, we offered the complainers $5,000 each to drop the charges. We even offered one high ranking meshichist “Shliach” a brand new Safor Torah if he would get involved to stop the Mesira. The Meshichist “Shliach” not only refused to help, he justified Six Jews going to jail for 15 plus years. Six Jews he never met, six Jews with families and jobs, plain and simple six Jews.
It’s important to add (this is just a fact that accrued), in the end, only a few short months days after the Shomrim Six blood libel trial that lasted for six whole weeks, G-d almighty gave this “Shliach” who refused to get involved in possibly saving Yidden a reason to write his very own Safer Torah (may G-d spear us all from needing to write a Sefer Torah for this reason).
SoCal
I would love for you to detail which mashpiyim and which shliach you went to??
Why not share their names.
They probably come here to collect money.
Plz back up your story and tell us who you went to for help in the maschisim camp and who redused to help and in fact justified the mesira
Echad MeAnash
The shliach you went to, if his last name begins with L, is a wild man who’s interfered in trying to cause at least one divorce in complete contrast to Jewish law. The Targum Yonason (the Chumash Targum Yonasan actually Targum Yerushalmi and not T”Yonason, but is referred to as such, due to its similarity to Tanach) on the posuk in Ki Seitzei, “lo sachbol reichayim vorochev” says that a person who interferes with a husband and wife has no chelek in olam habo. The husband wanted counseling and the wife was sent to the “get on demand crew” (whose gittin are posul midoraisa, as are almost all forced gittin – see http://www.mishpattsedek.com for more). L worked to destroy that family because the wife’s aunt was his donor. He’s outrageous.
CHLEAKS.COM
To Echad MeAnash:
You may not know this yet or you may simply think you are (self) rightouse, but guess what my brother, You are an enabler.
Or
Your young, naive and don’t know histroy. You diffidently don’t know people. If your smart you’ll figure it all out.
Had you been an adult you would already know that what you’re suggesting has been tried for 20 years.
After 20 years i can tell you the the very opposite is true.
However, if your a full grown adult with some experience in life and nonetheless you still think this way, then your stam an idiot who needs to shut up and get out of my the way.
Some of us are taking action (to the best of our ability).
or like i suggested already many many times, you might just be another meshichist sympathizers. Even (maybe – perhaps) if you have good intentions, the results of what your preching are more (worse) violence and mesira.
Echad MeAnash
To CHLEAKS – What are you talking about? Not arresting Tzafati vigilants? It seems the best way is to ignore and educate the public and pressure their yeshivos to show the Rebbe’s video to R’ Dovid Raskin. The arrests have only bred more violence. These are some constructive things that would not.
Min Hashomayim
Reinforced doors.
there is a boss
alas there is a government shutdown so don’t expect anything to be done by the hanhala or Merkos..
Wilshansky
I am sorry. Really sorry.
Go know some of my students
Came from Arab mothers.
From now on I will be more vigilant.
כנסו והקשיבו..
הכלבים נובחים והשירה ממשיכה, אני פונה מכאן כאחד שסבל מפושעים האלה ,וגם הרגישו את נחת זרועי,
רבות,י א .. צריך לשנות את הטקטיקה זה מלחמה והם המשיחים היו לא תהיה .ינצחו. זה לא בגלל שהם חזקים וחכמים. מדובר באספסוף פוחזים ורקים רובם דרובם מעדות המזרח. שלעולם לא יבינו את הדבר שנקרא חסידות ורעבא. [רבי ]שהם לא יתקבלו באף מוסד.בית ספר בטח לא בישיבה וכן נכנסו כמה בעלי תשובה שהם ממוחים ליחסי ציבור והשתלטו על הפורעים האלה והמטרה הסופית היא לעקור את שמו של כ”ק האדמו”ר זצ”ל זה התחיל לאט לאט בישיבוש שיחות, אם הוא חי או לא,וכל מיני הבל הבלים עד שהגיעו ליד כפירה והפכו לכת,
ומצד שני קמו אנשי בילעל ממשפחות חסידיות שכן למדו בתומכי תמימים, אבל הרבי אף פעם לא החניף להם ולא נתן להם איזה תפקיד שחשקו והנה הנקמה,
זה בקיצור איך גדל התמנון שעומד להרחיב את כל המיפעל שנקרא חב”ד,
חלק ב…
אבל אשמים אנחנו דוקא אלה שחשבו שלכבודו של הרבי צריך לשתוק. וחטפו סיטרה אחרי סיטרה, חיפשו אחדות,
ולקח לכם עשרים שנים להבין ,שעל מעשי פשע צריך לשלם , ואתם ממשיכים לא מתלונים במשטרה,כי זרחי מפחד על הכסף של הויזות, מתנהגים כמו היהודי אצל הפריץ המשיחי מרביץ בא נברח, אם אין שליטה תעבירו את השליטה למי שיוכל, האם מי שהוא חושב שהם יתעסקו עוד פעם עם השומרים ??? יש פה ב”ה חברה שמוכנים לקחת את הטרור בידים, אפילו שמבקשים איזה מסמך מהמרכז בשביל לעזור למרכז ,אז יש כל מיני תירוצים. הרי אלה שעומדים אחרי הטרוריסטים,מתחבים מאחרי הפושעים האלה ומדי פעם רואים איך שאתם רוקדים ביחד, , אז אני מבטיח לכם שהם ימשיכו בדרכם , אצלם אין חברים.
וכשמנדל הנדל אמר לי שבעוד שנתיים הוא ישב על הכסא של ר” יהודה קרנסקי, אז רק בזכות אחרים הוא לא יזכה לזה ולא בגלל החכמה שלכם,
ומתי יגישו את התלונות במשטרה.?? לפחות תלמדו מהמשיחים הכותב בכאב רב תושב השכונה שכבר סבל מספיק מהחיות האלה,
משיחישת
התגובה שלך כולה נוטפת בשינאה ולא יותר מזה אפשר לחשוב שרק ספרדים מתנהגים בצורה הזאת בשבועה שעבר פירסמו שמות זה היה שם גם אשכנזים דבר שיני אני בכלל לא חושבת שאתה רוצה משיח וכל הצרות שיש בחבד לא באים מכמה השוגעים זה בא מאנשים מלאי שינאה כמוך אני כבר הקרבתי קורבן אחד לפני 5 שנים אתה מבין אני רוצהה שהרבי כבר יחזוררררררר הבן שלי קבור בהר הזיתים ןאתמול ניפגע עוד ילד תשב ותגיד תהילם זה יותר חשוב וגם על עצמך הרבי כבר אמר פעם לנשות כפר חבדכדי שאנשים לא ימותו ויהיו חולים צריךלהאו
rlb
keep the surveillance cameras on and get as much evidence as possible.
To 5
It’s a wast of time to send them to the police as chanina sperline will take them out on few minutes just to be able to continue fighting 770 , Lubavitch and all the rebbes institution around the world
The solution IS to support Merkos aguch and krinsky and giving the enogh million dollars to pay legal fee to jail this guys and to gain back control of our holy 770
Vechol haminim ..unlachus harsho Mehoiro yokaresu
CHLEAKS.COM
They take your Rebbe zt”l face and dump it in the toilet time and time again, what are you doing about it?
Written a comment?
Hurting inside?
What does that do for the bottom line?
How does that stop the mockery on our Rebbe and way of life?
Anonymous
Is it the mockery that’s bothering u or the mockers? Safe to assume the latter.
Realist
Sorry, but from a realistic point of view, nothing will be done about this. Clearly, whomever provided the video to CH.info already knew about this half a year ago and did not take it to the authorities.
In order to change this behavior once and for all, we need to arrange large meetings, (real, live meetings) to discuss how to deal with this and take action.
The blood is on the hands of the Moshiachist movement. The Moshiachist movement has caused this insanity. There is no such thing as a “moderate Moshiachist”. If you believe that the Rebbe wants you to go around telling everyone that the Rebbe is Moshiach, you are by default a radical Meshichist.
The Rebbe left clear instructions how to help bring Moshiach, (Tefilin, Neshek, etc. etc.) and one of them was NOT to go around telling everyone that the Rebbe is Moshiach.
These hoodlums have done nothing other than take this Messianic cult to the next level.
Aguch has spend a lot of money and a lot of effort fighting this madness. The force that is holding them back is Sholom Ber Drizin. He is providing funding for the Gaboim to fight Aguch in court. End of story.
Kol hakovod to ch.info
Continue reporting about this bad people it’s time for Anash to know about it and publicize more on the subject
We want more exposure of their action
We need to know
Anash must know
Educator need to know
Parents needs to know from which ppl to keep our kids away from
All the tzfati and the inciter imach shemam
Hendel, Wilshansky, Maidovnik, etc…
The leaders of the Chabad and terrosim around the world
to 29
you probably meant
The leaders of the moshiach terrorism around the world
MonseyYid
Unfortunately this is out of hand a long time ago. Mark my word, unless Aguch reports them to the police and has them jailed and deported,their actions will continue to escalate. The whole Tzibbur is exposed to real Sakona having them around.These people are real criminals; though the look Becheitzoiniyus Frum and Ehrlich. Unfortunately the worst type of Rishus is when it is done “Lesheim Shomayim “
Echad MeAnash
That doesn’t allow mesirah R”L. And going against Torah always only makes things worse. Educate, take defensive measures like secure doors and when people pay less attention and act as dugma chayehs, they’ll have no one to fight and it will die down. The best practical nekomo (and only form that’s allowed) and prevention is to ignore.
To 35
To 35
There was already few psak from rabonim that of a person act with violence you not only allow but must press charge
antimesira
G-d willing Hashem will give you an opportunity to practice what you preach.
When they beat, steal and try to lock you or a member of your family up for 15 years via a viscous blood libel, you will have a great opportunity to practice what you preach.
Please write you’re real name so we could remind you.
Perhaps i can send your name to NYPD and Shomrim so when you get beaten and mugged they can repeat your great philosophy of ignoring.
Echad MeAnash
Then do something that actually stops them. Bring Schwei who encouraged them to a real Bais Din (he won’t agree to Rabbi Osdoba’s, then fine someone else), same with that inciting lawyer. If they won’t go, sue them. That’s al pi Torah and would actually stop them instead of encouraging them to go more crazy. Richard Nixon (lomed mikol odom, I guess) said (from experience) not to let those who hate you get to you, because then they destroy your character. The best way is to stop their enablers, in a proper and effective way.
Echad MeAnash
Re: To 35
Not true at all. Halacha forbids mesirah except in rare cases like the 3 yeharegs veal yaavors – murder (or clear potential murder, not third rate hooleganism, gilui areiyos and avoda zarah (clear avoda zara, which doesn’t apply today). Also, one can maser another moiser if it’s direct. If it’s a hitting thing, the person needs to be brought to a real Bais Din or stopped by the community (by shomrim). Schwei may well be a moiser, Huebner almost certainly is. The laxity with which people take this terrible avairo for which one can lose olam haboh ch”v is insane. It’s what separates us between Jews and lhavdil goyim and isn’t advisable in almost any case.
In this case it would be a lot more effective to say here’s a video of this kind of despicable behavior, here are the yeshivos that tolerate or even encourage it – don’t fund them, here are the people bringing there, here are the so-called “rabbis” (Eirev Rav) who encourage them, etc. That would produce results. Mesirah doesn’t. (If it’s against Torah it also doesn’t work on the simplest level.
This would also show everyone who’s on the sidelines who the right and normal side is, without a doubt. It’s practically the best approach aside from the most important consideration.
SoCal
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
truth hurts
very sad i know longer go downstairs to 770
heres a suggestion for the gabboyim to prove they want normalacy
take down the signs that are all over the walls
anyone going for the hendel/drizin dollars goes back to tzfas pronto if there not from tzfas send them there anyhow
any criminal activity – jail
cmon lets give 770 back to normal people who would like to go to what was not meshichist crackpots
Really Really Realist
Yet The Rebbe himself told the whole world that He is Moshiach…
to "really really realist"
When? The rebbe was the greatest anav in the whole world! He did not even think he was rebbe! To say that the rebbe TOLD everyone to say he is moshiach, is the most absurd thing i ever heard.
CHLEAKS.COM
Dont fall into this trap and let this meshichist troll control the conversation.
We have 20 years of meshichistim for evidence.
Really Really Realist
An Anav is not someone who pretends to be less than he is. If you think that The Rebbe did not think that he was Rebbe then you are greatly mistaken and need to take stock of things. You think that The Rebbe accepted the nesius even though he thought he wasn’t supposed to be Rebbe?
As to the second thing you said, The Rebbe said very clearly many times that The Nasi Hador is the Moshiach of The Dor and that our Dor is the last one and the one that greets Moshiach, and He Himself defined the Doros as corresponding to their Nesiim and He Himself was mikabel the Nesius.
To CHLeaks.com your tactic is the tactic of those who which to obscure the truth. Anyone who disagrees with you you sling mud at and you tell people not to listen to what they have to say. Engaging in logical dialogue is the darcha shel torah not ch”v a trap. The only trap is the trap of blindness and revisionism in which you seek to ensare people, Rachmana Letzlan.
Milhouse
The Rebbe did not accept the nesius. He always insisted “der rebbe der shver” was still the rebbe, and he was just some sort of secretary. That’s why he never wore a shtreimel. Of course we chassidim took this as mere anovo. And when it mattered he accepted the fact that people called him “Lubavitcher Rebbe”. But to him the frierdiker Rebbe was always alive and still the nossi. There was no greater “dor hashishinick” than the Rebbe!
Chaim H.
Remember when Chanina Sperlin and Co. and the 770 Gaboyim had my father, brothers and brother-in-law locked up and schlepped to court for two years until the frivolous charges were dropped.
http://crownheights.info/communal-matters/26840/sperlin-and-poltorack-challenged-on-grounds-of-messira/
http://whoisshmira.wordpress.com/2011/08/14/chjcc-misrepresents-the-community-to-have-jews-locked-up/
Just for the record: The property in question belongs to those who “damaged” it.
sorry
These bochurim in the video are obviously in need of major help, but this has nothing to do with sane Meshichistim. I did not visit this site for two years bec. of the poison and hatred you people spew on many innocent Lubavitchers. You people who publicize these things on the world wide web are the ones who are making the biggest Chillul Hashem and Lubavitch. If you really wanted to help the problem you would go to those people who could help directly or find Rabbonim or other role models to find a decent solution.
I’m waiting to see if this comment will be published!
CHLEAKS.COM
You are from the enablers. You are from those we need to get out of the way. You are a Meshichist who justifies and excuses acts of violence and Mesira. Your sick and need help.
As for not visiting this website..
Your here now (?)
“If you really wanted to help the problem you would go to those people who could help directly or find Rabbonim or other role models to find a decent solution.”
Where have you been these past 20 years?
The time for talking and convincing is over, now we must defeat this evil.
(had we done this from the start the evil would not have risen to this level).
anon
very sad……why is nothing ever done? goes against everything….respect for others, ahavas yisroel, are you just afraid of them?
CH.info
please post all related article, of tzfati and terrorist action
a like at the bottom of the article can be very helpful for the people to be aware of this animals
uberoisham hendel, drizin, sperlin, schwei and new imach shmoy braun
Really Really Really Realist
And the Rebbe wrote explicitly not to publish the name of Moshiach, in a public way. But after all, what is an open Maaseh Rav when someone can just make up a message they received from the Rebbe in yechidus?
And after all, since the Rebbe is Moshiach, people should be breaking down the doors to his home, throwing his holy seforim on the floor, terrorizing his shluchim, and taking control of his shul from its rightful and legal owners. Those actions were part of the Mivtzayim campaign, right? Who needs Torah and Yiddishkeit when you have a Yechi banner? Hiskashrus … replaced by a Yechi kippah. Derech Eretz … thrown away with the Rebbe’s seforim. Learning – only how to be criminals.
These people aren’t Lubavitchers and openly mchalel our shul, our 770. Throw them out and call the police. It’s not mesirah if they use violence against you and the Rebbe – it’s pikuach nefesh.
Echad MeAnash
They’re sick but it’s not pikuach nefesh. Be careful paskening on blogs. Mesirah needs to be stopped on both sides, by everyone. The Rebbe would be screaming. Even Barry Gourarie was never as much as threatened with a criminal charge (to do so would have been seen as an almost KGB-like tactic at the time).
Refuah Shalaymah
they are all SICK (with a capital S).
The tzfatim,
the ones who accepted them into kevutza,
the ones who sent them here from Israel,
the geboyim who haven’t locked the doors and thrown them out,
the ones who invite them for shabbos and yom tov meals,
the ones who let their daughters marry them, and let their sons marry the Tzfatim’s sisters,
and even the ones who apply for Pell Grants – because you are ALL supporting these very sick, mentally deranged, and violent “people”.
benny
Why were those doors locked??
Since when isn’t 770 open during yom tov?
One individual decided he can lock doors whenever he feels so and every since hr started doing so there had been no peace.
Maybe we should look into the credentials of this one individual and find out who appointed him of anyone did.
aha
So your saying bc the guy locked the doors it is ok to break Yomtov…
your a genius!
true meshichist lubavitcher
these bochurim should be ashamed of themselves !
and be beaten physically and emotionally !!!
would they continue to do this if the Rebbe walked up those stairs?!
Echad MeAnash
They should be ashamed of themselves, but hold off on the klep.
The Rebbe spoke about the bochurim who were misnaheg with “yodim yedai Eisav” and asked that they change or be sent to Bnei Brak (home of the S”M shebedoreinu). See video with R’ Dovid Raskin A”H
CHLEAKS.COM
The fact that your even asking this question shows you have no real grasp of reality.
Perhaps your just young and naturaly naively. If you’re smart you’ll catch up fast.
middle camps
There appears to be many very different camps within Lubavitch today. From extreme anti-Meshichists, to moderate anti–Meshichists, from extreme Meshichists to moderate Meshichists, to a few in-between.
Though it is admirable of Meshichists that believe fully that their Rebbe is present in their lives, and nothing changed after Gimmel Tammuz. But the extremists appear to have lost the message that the Rebbe instilled in us all of the goodness and kindness, which is clearly the Lubavitch way in everything.
On the other hand, the blatent hatred of certain extreme anti-Meshichists towards the very notion of most Meshichists is equally worrisome, and not beholding of a true Lubavitcher.
If we review the history of Lubavitch, and are honest to ourselves, clearly the believes of many Meshichists is in line with that history, the Rebbe’s own words about Messiach, and the teaching of our Torah. This can not be denied.
Hopefully, as time marches on, the middle camps will emerge to become the largest, and infighting will be a thing of the past.
CHLEAKS.COM
You already wrote this comment in the previous article two weeks ago.
Your a meshichist troll. Any response to your stupidity can be viewed there
Do
When u see these stories make
Sure not to think or label all michichist as
Crazy ppl. Most of them Are not this way… It’s specific group of them that go way too far and do things in an extreme unhealthy way. Doesn’t mean anyone with a Yechie yarmulka is nuts
CHLEAKS.COM
Yes it does.
Mendy Cohen
Rabbi Braun should be asked to intervene. He will help.
I mean this seriously.
Stop the evil talk and be productive.
Shomrim Six
You mean like Rabbi Schwei helped the Shomrim Six when they pleaded for him to intervene?
Let me remind you:
http://machanemenachem.wordpress.com/2009/12/01/letter-to-rabbi-shcwei-by-hershkop-family/
Help
Please Hashem , send Klal Yisroel Help
This is nuts !!!!!!
What a bunch of deranged characters.
How do they get here , follow the Money
to crownheights.info
wow so much hate!!!
it is utterly disgusting of you to publish such an article, clearly you guys have no respect for the gaboim of the rebbes shule! i do not condone this behaviour in any way but the manner in which you choose to publicise it is totally opposite to that which the rebbe would have wanted! these people are not animals, they are people! fellow jews! they just have an extremely opposite opinion to majority of modern day lubavitch. They are doing that which they see as the right thing to do, (even though it actually is the wrong thing) imagine the extents that we would have gone o to make sure the rebbe would be able hold a seder and do shfoich chamascha before gimmel tammuz! you people should be ashamed of yourselves for speaking about our brothers like this! how dare you publish a comment that says yimach shemo about a frum jew, rov or no rov, smicha or no smicha!! this is a title reserved for hitler and the likes! not our family, we are all in this golus together, do you honestly think that what you are doing is the rotzoin of the rebbe?
(just something to think about, i will not be surprised if i don’t find this on the comment thread but is something that you guys should take to heart)
antimesira
They are not my brother.
Are you really going to justify acts of violence, vandalism and mesira as
“Just a different opnion”?
ok with me.
Maybe you would like to hear my opinion in a court of law?
CHLEAKS.COM
“Right or wrong, you’re passionate. You care.” If that doesn’t sum up current liberal attitudes in the face of facts, I don’t know what does. Caring means more to them than actually knowing the difference between something that’s false (wrong) and something that’s true (right).”
On May 7, 1931, the most sensational manhunt New York City had ever known had come to it’s climex.
After weeks of search, “Two Gun” Crowley—the killer, the gunman who didn’t smoke or drink—was at
bay, trapped in his sweetheart’s apartment on West End Avenue.
One hundred and fifty policemen and detectives laid siege to his top-floor hideaway. They chopped holes in the roof; they tried to smoke out Crowley, the “cop killer,” with tear gas. Then they mounted their machine guns on the surrounding buildings, and for more then an hour one New York’s fine residential areas reverberated with the crack of pistol fire and the rat- tat-tat of machine guns. Crowley, crouching behind an overstuffed chair, fired incessantly at the police. Ten thousand excited people watched the battle. Nothing like it had ever been seen before on the sidewalks of New York.
When Crowley was captured, Police Commissioner E.P. Mulroney declared that the two-gun desperado was one of the most dangerous criminals ever encountered in the history of New York. “He will kill,” said The Commissioner, “at the drop of a feather.”
But how did “Two Gun” Crowley regard himself?
We know, because while the police were firing into his apartment, he wrote a letter addressed “To whom it may concern.” And, as he wrote, the blood flowing from his wounds left a crimson trail on the paper. In
his letter Crowley said:
“Under my coat is a weary heart, but a kind one—-one that would do nobody any harm.”
A short time before this, Crowley had been having a necking party with his girl friend on a country road out on Long Island. Suddenly a policeman walked up to the car and said: “Let me see your license.
Without saying a word, Crowley drew his gun and cut the policeman down with a shower of lead. As the
dying officer fell, Crowley leaped out of the car, grabbed the officer’s revolver, and fired another bullet
into the prostrate body. And that was the killer who said:
“Under my coat is a weary heart, but a kind one– –one that would do nobody any harm.”
Crowlet was sentenced to the electric chair. When he arrived at the death house in Sing Sing, did he say, “This is what I get for killing people”? NO, he said: “This is what I get for defending myself.”
The point of the story is this: “Two Gun” Crowley Didn’t blame himself for anything. That is the usual attitude amongst criminals!!!
Chaim Hershkop
You know who else “are doing that which they see as the right thing to do”?
Shomrim six Mossrim:
The Mosser Shneur Rutem
The Mosser Shalom Cohen
The Mosser Yisroel-Noach Belinitzki
The Mosser Gavriel Braunsein
The Mosser Yaakov Shatz
The Mosser Shuki Gur
The Mosser Elkon-Moshe Gurfinkel
And everybody who orchestrated and arranged the blood libel.
These guys really really but really with a real Emes believed they were doing the right thing “(even though it actually is the wrong thing)”. They came to court with hat, jacket and even a Dvar Malchut, yeck they even covered their head with their hands when making blessing on a cup of water while sitting on the stand falsely testifying (with an Emes I might add) against Six innocent Jews.
Why did we/I even bother putting up a defense. Here I was sitting across seven informers who really really believed in what they were doing was the right thing to do?
I mean, as long as I think something is right “(even though it actually is the wrong thing)”, I will get a pass, because I’ll do it with an Emes. Great. Who needs Shulchan Aruch.
The best thing about this way of life is that there will be always be people like you to recognize that I’m doing it with an Emes and you will always be there to justify and excuse me. Great!!!
Next time you see a Meshichist beat up somebody, vandalizing property or participating in Mesira, walk over and nicely ask him if he truly means well with what hes doing, ask him if he means it with an Emes.
Get back to me, let me know how it goes.
yossi & berel, CH
Unfortunately nothing will help.
We all know that
Time to think of splitting up
Sorry, but you cannot win with meshugoim.Nor can you “convince” them
yossi & berel, CH
Offeneh chilul shabbes!!!
I think it says it all.If this Moshichist movement can bring supposed yeshiva boys to chilul yom tov, it proves that it has no shaychus to YIDDISHKAIT.It’s a “kas ”
The “azoi geruffeneh” bessereh mentschehn are running away to Monsey,Flatbush, but don’t have the guts to take a stand.They”ll discuss, blog about anything under the sky, besides the clear destruction being on Lubavitch.They saved themselves and have the rest of us in boydem.
Stop being a mishechist
Normal mishechists should stop associating with this crazy group and stop being mishechists!
Being radical wether moderately or insanely is still being radical and crazy.
The “normal” meshichistim are giving life to the radicals by allowing them to continue existing within a normal group. It should be “crazy meshichistim terrorists” and “lubavitchers”. Clear for everyone to identify, and get rid of!
המשיחיים מחללים את החג בריש גלי
קבוצת טרוריסטים, בוגרי קן הטרור בצפת – תלמידי יוסף יצחק ווילשאנסקי שגויסו לצבאו של מנדי הנדל שוברים ומנתצים את בית חיינו – 770 בעיצומו של הסדר, ליל יו”ט ראשון דחגה”פ תשע”ג.
שמות הפורצים: שמוליק ליפש, שמעון בלניצקי, ישראל גרנובטר, מאיר פרידמן, יוסי הלפרין
לדראון עולם.
לפרטים נוספים בעברית:
http://www.shturem.net/index.php?section=news&id=66446
Echad MeAnash
What’s the matter with people today? Some wanted 6 Shomrim to go to jail R”L. Others want bochurim who do crazy things but who are still Jews and as much chasidim as most others their age to R”L be charged. Enough mesirah!!! We’re Chabadniks, not the KGB Y”SH. This is crazy, dangerous and everything that the Rabbeim fought against, especially the Frierdiker Rebbe in the 1920s. Rachmono Litzlan calling for any Jew to ch”v be charged! One thing’s clear. The Rebbe has great agmas nefesh and there can be no greater Chilul Lubavitch than for any Lubavitcher to be calling for the mesirah of any other Jew except in cases of live and death or the other two yehoreg val yaavors (real, not imagined, and with permission of a real Bais Din, not Schwei and Braun). But that goes for both sides.
Chaim Hershkop
Had i approached you four years ago and told you about the mesirah on myslef and my fellow shomrim memebers (the Shomrim Six) what would you have done for me?
Don’t come after one mesirah with your self righteousness and proclaim on top of the hill “the mesra has to stop”.
The only thing that those who arranged our arrests and later our prosecution regret is that their mesira failed.
Now go open a Shulchan Aruch and learn the laws of mesirah or just google it.
Echad MeAnash
Chaim, had you approached me four years ago I would have done whatever I could for you. I still think you should sue Schwei and Huebner for the terrible things they allowed to happen to you and your family. I’m not in CH and was a bit out of the loop but wished you well and was happy you were vindicated and feel terrible that you went through it. Not sure what can do, but would help write up a suit against Schwei and Huebner if they refuse a real Bais Din, for free (not a lawyer but have written briefs).
Anonymous
when will you finally throw out these idolworshippers from 770!
It’s a disagrace, a big chillul Hashem, mechalel Shabat lepharesia…. and more and more.
Could someone imagine such a thing done in the time before Gimmel Tammuz?
Lubavitch has to act immediately, everyone in 770 must act!
If you allow these things to happen out of political correctness, you don’t have to wonder, that christian missionaries feel comfortable in 770 to do there their satanic work. neged ke neged midah.
All this is besmirching the Torah of the Rebbe and his lifework. it’s so shamefull what this Meshichistim do… it’s contrary to anything the Rebbe stood for! Namely Shulchan Aruch and Torah temima.
Disappointed & disgusted
#44’s comments are excellent & express a great point of which almost no one else mentioned.In general there are 2 sides to a story.Here what fuels it is hatred on both sides & a lack of willingness on both sides to come together do what is right & unfortunately it stinks from the head down namely 1 Rav & 1 pretender. The Rav is Hendel’s father in law & the pretender is the leader of a Machloikes group openly claiming that other then Isaac’s bake shop anyone else with a CHk Hechsher has no real Hechsher meaning according to them everyone is eating treif etc!
The long term answer is Shalom & Ahavas Yisroel cooperation proper education etc. The short term everyone of them that does damage or commits a crime should be immediately deported! there should be no nonsense from anyone.Those that do willful damage do not represent Lubavitch do not represent the Rebbe!! & what I don’t see is where are the parents of these Bachurim? Where are the Mashpiim of the yeshiva on this? If you are not up to the task of fighting them doing what is right then step aside let someone else who can & will do what’s right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
מחמיר
את כל ל״ט מלאכות בפרהסיה שאלה על היין שלהם אולי יש לומר בבית המקדש שאני
Before 3 tamuz
Bfr 3 tamuz
No bachur would’ve be allow in 770 with such behavior
No such mashpia who incit terorroism will be allow to talk on cahabad
No gaboim will be able to do what they do
So now that the rebbe is alive and he became the official messiah at the moment he had a strock and was not able to talk (surprise)
All the violent are allow !!!?!
The fundament of hilchos Moshiach is that Moshiach is gona come to bring peace
So far it has bring only fight machloikes and disasters
This is enogh for not Beeing Moshiach
It’s the most absurd think to say that te rebbe his Moshiach
insanity happens
In every group, there are religious nuts! They are the ones who lose their minds to brainwash and cults.
BEHIND BARS!
THE ONLY ANSWER:
EITHER BEHIND BARS OR A MENTAL INSTITUTION.
# 45, well how about that?
Hey, your comment was published, how about that!
If you say "Yechi"
If you say Yechi and believe that the Rebbe encouraged publicizing that he is Moshiach, then you are no different than the yellow flag wearers, the Shvil makers, the dollar line group, and yes, even the door breakers.
Saying Yechi means that you believe that the Rebbe is here B’guf Gashmi. (You simply can’t say Yechi otherwise.) This is fanaticism.
Your suppsedly “moderate” Meshichist group that formed around Gimmel Tammuz has spawned this fanaticism. You have created a monster that you cannot destroy.
It’s time to take back the Rebbe’s shul and defend the Rebbe’s honor. Where are all the sane Lubavitchers with a backbone? Where have you gone?
The silence is indeed DEAFENING!
Anonymous
sorry mate but you are incorrect on so many levels. Firstly ,every single jew is a mishichist, if you are not then what is the point of yiddishkeit!? why do another mitzvah? we, each and every jew regardless of our background and affiliation believe in the concept of moshiach and await his arrival every single day! it is one of the 13 principles of faith!! you simply cannot be a frum jew without this basic foundation. Secondly, we are all fanatics, orthodox jews and specificly chabad jews are fanatical by deffiniton! think about all the times that we go beyond the letter of the law, when we do things that we are not required to do by halacha because that is who we are, we are not just leading our lives because of that which a book tells us to do, think of all the elter chasidim that went al mesiras nefesh to spread chasidus, something that they were not required halachicaly to do, but never the less they still did it! this is the definition of fanatic. (look it up in the dictonary)
Finally, it is possible to say yechi and not be the same as these people, should we all stop wearing hats and jackets because the “tzvatim” wear them? why not take it a step further, lets stop keeping kosher because the do! where do you draw the line? the rebbe encouraged the singing of yechi, lets be mefarsem the inyen of moshiach in a positive way!!
Really Really Realist
I HOPE YOU DONT SAY MODEH ANI IN THE MORNING OR ELSE CH”V YOU THINK THE AIBISHTER IS A MELECH CHAI VEKAYOM WITH A GUF GASHMI STANDING NEXT TO YOUR BED.
Milhouse
Saying Yechi means that you believe that the Rebbe is here B’guf Gashmi. (You simply can’t say Yechi otherwise.)
That is flat-out wrong. The Rebbe openly said, with regard to the frierdicker Rebbe, that “yechi” is a prayer for techiyas hameisim. Do you not believe in that?!
Ariel
Is that a fact or an opinion?
Chaim Hershkop
To Really Really Realist who wrote:
“I HOPE YOU DONT SAY MODEH ANI IN THE MORNING OR ELSE CH”V YOU THINK THE AIBISHTER IS A MELECH CHAI VEKAYOM WITH A GUF GASHMI STANDING NEXT TO YOUR BED.”
That is a stupid comparison.
Unless you do imagine G-d in a body…Perhaps Jeses?
To "anonymous" (86)
Who the hell are you kidding here?
1. The “Meshichist” the originial commenter referred to are specifically those who believe that the Rebbe told us to go around publicizing that he is Moshiach.
The Jewish belief in Moshiach has been around since the dawn of time, and has nothing to do in any way with what the commenter was referring to (as far as I can tell). What you are doing is simply trying to blur the lines so as to diminish his statement about the current fanatical Meshichistim.
2. “Fanaticism” that falls within the confines of Halacha is:
A. only “fanatic” in relation to those who are not Jewish or religious.
B. Safe fanaticism, sanctioned by the Torah and most of all by Hashem.
770 Meshichist fanaticism has no basis at all in Halacha, and NO, the Rebbe never encouraged publicizing that he is Moshiach.
#81
Best comment!
declasse' intelelctual
When will they or anyone ever learn?????Nevermore quoteth the Raven because everyone is still blowing in the wind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CHLEAKS.COM
Dear Fellow Commentators:
When responded to a specific comment, don’ do so by addressing the number of the comments (for example: “to comment #12 etc…), instead address the NAME of the comment (for example: “CHLEAKS.COM I really enjoy what you have to say etc…).
As you can tell, the numbers get pushed up and down when people respond to various comments.
Thank You.
Seriously
They have mental issues, it can happen to anyone. I wouldn’t call it terrorism. Identify the perpetrators and don’t allow them in.
If you want to experience real terrorism and involve PETA (#1), become a chicken b/w Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur. This is a million times worst than the damage caused to 770.
Out of Tears
Reply to Millhouse,”88.,” who wrote: “That is flat-out wrong. The Rebbe openly said, with regard to the frierdicker Rebbe, that “yechi” is a prayer for techiyas hameisim. Do you not believe in that?!” (October 3, 2013 3:35 pm):
The “yechi” that the Rebbe zt”l referred to did not include the words “HaMoshiach” – as you and everyone else very well knows. Though the previous writer may not be completely correct, but it seems that you are only trying to confuse matters. The “yechi” that the Rebbe once mentioned in connection with the Previous Rebbe zt”l, is not at all similar to the Nusuch that the Meshichistim invented all on their own.
Milhouse
Of course. I did not suggest otherwise. Who mentioned anything about Moshiach? I quoted the exact words to which I was responding. The previous commenter did not mention Moshiach; his objection is specifically to using the word “yechi” about a person who is no longer in a physical body. And that is a false claim and a wrong objection. There is nothing wrong with saying “yechi” about the Rebbe, or the frierdicker Rebbe, or about anyone who has passed away, and indeed objecting to it amounts to denying techiyas hameisim, r”l.
The words “melech hamoshiach” is a completely separate matter, and that is why I don’t say the “nusach”. (Beside which, even when the Rebbe was alive, and we all hoped he would recover and be the Moshiach, I was very turned off when what started as a heartfelt and spontaneous prayer to Hashem turned into a ritual phrase, to be said a fixed number of times at specific places in the davening, as if it were part of the nusach hatefillah. The way the phrase’s usage has evolved since then is bizarre.) But the objection here was to the reisha, not the seifa, and that objection is wrong.
Out of Tears
Millhouse, in reply to your recent comment, “Who mentioned anything about Moshiach?”:
— In case you somehow missed, the ENTIRE ARTICLE AND DISCUSSION HERE concern specifically the topic of the misguided and often heretical identification of the Rebbe zt”l as Moshiach by the Meshichistim, and the strong objections to that by all normal Lubavitchers and Yidden.
Your latest comment and clarification however – that you consider the invented Nusach of the Meshichistic “yechi” and the way it is constantly used ad nauseam to be “bizarre” – is appreciated though and is on target for this discussion.
Good Chodesh and Good Shabbos.
Milhouse
:”Out of tears”, can’t you read? I quoted the exact words to which I was responding. There was no mention of Moshiach in that excerpt, or indeed in the entire comment to which my response was directed. So what difference does it make what the thread is about? The only point of the comment by “If you say ‘Yechi'” was that “saying Yechi means that you believe that the Rebbe is here B’guf Gashmi”. And that is utterly wrong.
By the way, what exactly is heretical about identifying the Rebbe as Moshiach? Where is it written that we must believe Moshiach will be a person then living? Just because this is what Jews have assumed and believed for thousands of years doesn’t make it an ikkar in emunah. Maybe all those generations of Jews will be proved wrong, and Moshiach will come from the Next World after all. Maybe it will be Dovid Hamelech himself, or Chizkiyohu, Zerubovel, Doniel, Rebbi, the Baal Shem Tov, or maybe even our Rebbe. That’s not what I expect to happen, but what’s your basis for calling it heretical? It will only become heresy if Moshiach actually comes, and he isn’t the Rebbe, and these people refuse to accept him. But I expect that when Moshiach comes the Rebbe will be back to lead us in welcoming him, and then these people will have to accept him.
truth
Lets be honest if it were another group who were “mosrim and meshichistin were on your side, you would be defending yechi.But you wouldn’t have the intellectual honesty.
Missing the point
BH
My humble opinion, I think most people miss the point. Stop arguing about the politics. This act and many like it are criminal. Firstly chilul yom tov. This has nothing to do with politics. Destroying property is wrong. It does not matter who and for what reason. This is criminal. I honestly do not care what a person believes, if it gets you excited. But certain acts are simply wrong. As long a people go over the same rhetoric again and again, you will always miss the point. They will continue because it becomes a side game, we all take sides. Sorry this is simply wrong.
To CHLEAKS.COM
To whomever is the commentor,
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I think you should think before you comment and bring down fellow Yidden. Your comments are so extreme–too extreme– as you put down and hurt others.
E.g:
Comment number 15, 60, 62 and more, just on this article.
I think it is rude and insensitive. You can have an opinion without making people feel like garbage.
I wont be surprised if you flak back at me for this….
Signed,
Upset Chossid-ette
CHLEAKS.COM
Truth does not become more true by virtue of the fact that the entire world agrees with it, nor less so even if the whole world disagrees with it.
(Rambam: Moreh Nevuchim 2:15)
I speak the truth.
If your going to state that I have “extreme” opinion, then please the very least you can do is give one example and try to demonstrate and explain why its an “extreme” opinion.
As a side note: there are things that people openly say today which were viewed as “extreme” only a few years ago. They didn’t say it years ago because they were intimidated and harassed for just saying their opinion (by those who disagreed with them…mainly Meshichistim -read: http://whoisshmira.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/a-house-divided.pdf).
Thanks to the Internet and some brave folks like myself who say the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth without fear of intimidation. This is what the Meshichistim (and yourself included) are afraid of…free speech.
And by the way: My so called “extreme” opinions are just opinions. They are not acts of violence, they are not acts of vandalism and not acts of Mesira. My opinions will not corrupt and ruin/Destroy an entire generation(s).
Waiting for an example and explanation.
CHLEAKS.COM
“Liberals do not come into the arena of ideas and talk about ideas with us. They do not debate ideas. They destroy people who can articulate things that they don’t want to hear.”
(Rush Limbaugh 10/4/2013)
People are Naive
Don’t be too quick too judge.
Sruly Clapman
Anything less then a jail sentence and arrest to these terrorist is a travesty.
Chillul Yom Tov for their stupidity is a nightmare.
These thugs need to be put in a Chayrim!
This dollar business must come to a full halt, I meet Jews of all backgrounds and it’s so embarrassing to explain them the Narushkayt and Chillul Lubavitch a few BT Tzafnik wacks accomplish with ther bordome.
Imagine these clowns focused their energy in opening a Gemara…. Or a Mommor instead of pretending to be Laybel Groner and playing with dollars.
marty
Sruly I could not have said it better.
You All Missed the Point!
If it were a group of thugs of any nationality other then Jews who vandalized 770; Be it by breaking doors, stuffing locks, spraying graffiti etc. – would charges have been filed? Would they have been arrested?
The answer is very simple, if you resort to violence of any kind, if you engaged in vandalism of any kind…
FORGET IDEOLOGY!
…The perpetrator should be arrested and have charges filed against him or them immediately!
After the first time a person will be arrested I guarantee you that the next one will think twice about doing it. This is America and there are laws here, if you break them you will be punished.
Forget the mickey mouse Rabbis, who only serve as ‘fig leaves’ to allow for this madness to continue, just do what you are legally entitled to and I promise this will end. Full stop. Cold turkey.
Let me leave you all with this; Imagine you were in 770 and suddenly someone decided that you can no longer Daven on the bench you were sitting because we suddenly have to ‘make a shvil’, so you protest and the thug punches you in the face.
You go home and lick your wounds, then go to Schwei and he says that he will call the thug into his office and will apologies to you.
One week later the same thing happens, the person davening protests, gets punched in the face, only this time the man falls to the ground and dies. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS DEATH.
I know it is a bit extreme, but violence often results in unpredictable outcomes which is why it must be quashed and stubbed out by the root. Pressing immediate charges for any kind of unlawfulness will put a permanent end to the physical manifestations of these extremist mishechistim – and all that will be left is a bunch of nurtured ‘jack in the boxes’ jumping around and not bother anyone.
Merkos - Revoke Their Visas
Why doesn’t Merkos take the videos and get each bochur’s visa revoked. Especially the ones invloved in beating up the gabbai! If the yeshiva can’t / won’t get things under control then Merkos can since it is their property.
Whether the bochurim are deported or too scared to act up, either way it will vastly improve the situation.
All funded by
This is who Mr. Sholom Ber Drizin is funding and buying new hats and suites for pesach. Maybe this video should be presented to him!
Esq.
Deification of the Rebbe, zt’l (created a G-d out of the Rebbe) caused this and many of the current problems facing Chabad today. We as a community mistakenly deified the Rebbe and continue to do so for reasons that are wrong (it makes us feel safe, etc.). We are all suffering from its side effects. We must first accept that G-d Almighty Master of the Universe is above the beginning of our comprehension and that the Rebbe, a nossi, was human and capable of making mistakes just like Moses. He was human. All humans err. The Rebbe erred too, i.e. made mistakes because he was not G-d. It should not make us respect him less but this understanding will allow us to question ourselves and review our actions.
If we accept this reality and return to G-d, these issues will disappear because they are clearly not condoned by an almighty G-d who has instructed us to keep 613 commandments.
G-d is above our comprehension. For many who deified the Rebbe, it hurts to accept this fact but one cannot be a religious Jew or a Chabadnik, without accepting this fact on some level.
We are Jews. We believe in one G-d. That belief requires us to reject claims that the Rebbe is G-d.
Milhouse
What you are saying is to reject what the Rebbe himself taught us.
Nobody claims that the Rebbe is literally Hashem. Any tzadik gomur is a merkovoh, completely botel to Hashem, and therefore the difference between them is, from our perspective, irrelevant. עתידים צדיקים שנקראים על שמו של הקב”ה, because there’s essentially no difference between them. And not only in the future; Yaakov Ovinu was called “Hashem”, and we are also told that מאן ״פני האדון״? דא רשב״י.
And the Rebbe taught us that a rebbe is a ממוצע המחבר, the intermediary who connects us with Hashem. אנכי עומד בין ה’ וביניכם. So when he said something it was to us as if Hashem said it. וכל המהרהר אחר רבו כמהרהר אחר השכינה.
Out of Tears
Milhouse, you are again – in this comment and above in your latest reply to me – showing how absurd and bizarre you yourself are…
Fortunately I don’t have time now to argue with you, since most likely it anyway would not do any good. Consistently over time you have demonstrated in your comments that although you are clearly intelligent, still you are in desperate need of professional help, and that you yourself and other like you are a major part of the problem… Refuah Shleima!
This is just a warning to other readers not to be fooled by your silliness and basic lack of understanding…
Milhouse
A chosid does not question his rebbe. Ever. Go learn the Rebbe’s sicha about the time the AriZal told his talmidim to come with him to be mekabel shabbos in Yerusholayim, and when they said they would come as soon as they got their wives’ permission he said it was too late, they should have come immediately. The Rebbe explicitly said that the point of this story is that even if the rebbe tells you something that is contrary to Shulchon Oruch you must obey without hesitation or question, and only afterwards can you ask how it was allowed.
This is not “deification”, it’s hiskashrus, it’s the way every chossid has to relate to his rebbe. If you don’t feel that way about the Rebbe then you are not his chossid.
Ariel
Milhouse, individuals have a right to question authority. Period.
Milhouse
Ariel, the essence of chassidus, the most basic definition of a chossid, is that he obeys without questioning. Kabolas oil. Naaseh venishmo.
shocking
I can’t beleive that they’re doing something like this.what do they think they’re doing?you must contact police and try to at least send them back to tzefas.
Amused Outsider
Watching these guys hard at work on Yom Tov really was quite amusing – actually painful. Three Stooges inspired this (it is not that hard to remove a door)?!
This is simple breaking and entering. Tossing Holy S’forim on the ground because their beliefs are offended – that they will pay for dearly, HaShem has little patience for this conduct. Too much debate on here – very enthralling. Just have these guys arrested and be done with it. Why would you allow this type of desecration of 770? Going there day after tomorrow – if you are a Meshichiste stay out of my way or learn the way.
Shloimoh-der-mensch
If it was me, I would hire a few off-duty New York City Police officers as security guards… That way try assaulting them. They will in 1.) Jail 2.) Shipped back to Israel faster than it takes them to decide to say Slichos