When the two got away and called for help other Yidden in the area called Hatzalah who responded immediately and began treating the victim, who one of the members described his injuries to his face as extremely severe. The victim was then transported to Kings County Hospital where police were called and officers from the 71st precinct responded to take the report were more then happy to hear it that the incident took place at the park entrance thereby making it a case for the 77th precinct, and so its one bias crime less for the 71st.
The victim stated that there was a group of about 7 or 8 Black males 3 or 4 of which were on bikes and one of them was dressed in a gray suit and pants.
Hate Crime in CH: Bochur Brutally Assaulted Friday Night
At around 12:30am Friday night two Bochurim walking on Eastern Pkwy. and Rochester Ave. were assaulted. The incident began as the two were walking when they heard someone behind them yell “You ******* Jew”, when they turned around one of the Bochurim was struck in the face with a baseball bat, after which a group of about 7 to 8 Black Males closed in prepared to possibly lynch the Bochur when they both managed to fend off their assailants.
When the two got away and called for help other Yidden in the area called Hatzalah who responded immediately and began treating the victim, who one of the members described his injuries to his face as extremely severe. The victim was then transported to Kings County Hospital where police were called and officers from the 71st precinct responded to take the report were more then happy to hear it that the incident took place at the park entrance thereby making it a case for the 77th precinct, and so its one bias crime less for the 71st.
The victim stated that there was a group of about 7 or 8 Black males 3 or 4 of which were on bikes and one of them was dressed in a gray suit and pants.
The Bochur sustained a fracture to his ‘Orbital Bone’ which is what comprises the eye socket, and was bleeding profusely from his nose. One of the Doctors said of the injuries that the Bochur is very lucky that the injuries were not worse.
Crime in Crown Heights is on the rise, while the NYPD is quick to say that their Compstat numbers are showing reduced crime rates we all know the truth, we live it, with our cars broken into on a daily and nightly basis, our youth and woman getting mugged and assaulted. And what’s the saddest part about this all is the fact that we know that petty crime is being looked at lightly and is being swept under the rug, with officers convincing victims not to file police reports, or making like they did by writing down some information in the pad while infact they don’t plan to file anything.
We all know that our community dose not have a unified Community Council, all thier squabbling and their personal egos and agendas. We the community must come together in the form of our own civilian patrol, Boruch Hashem Shomrim is strong with more members then ever, nightly patrols, vigilant residents. If you feel you can contribute don’t hesitate to. And residents must exercise more common sense, not to walk at these hours in such places, to keep jewelry hidden.
If you see something SAY SOMETHING call Shomrim anytime (718) 774-3333
freaked out
this is so freaky!!!! its happening way too much!!
i happen not to live in crown heights and it makes me scared to visit crown heights. after all, its even happened in the daytime! something needs to be done about this!
Mordy
If you see something, say something! Is the NYPD getting non-stop calls from Crown Heights? How many calls are being placed to the Mayor’s community liaison, Fred Kreizman? To the Mayor? To the State legislators and city council members?
Forget the community council. Sperlin and Nash have made a joke out of community activists with their friviolus lawsuit and Moshe is not the guy to talk the police either.
But you can hock a chinek to Batya at 778-8808, she’s the community police liaison.
RBA
Hi. Someone last week mentioned that you should have an ad at the side of your site asking for donations. You can do it very easily through paypal, and in a second people will be able to donate money to Shomrim. Please do it Webby – I would contribute and I am sure many other would too.
BLOURIAP
B"H
IT’S OBVIOUS THAT THESE WICKED BLACKS DON’T FEAR THE LAW. THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM DOESN’T MERIT IT. THEY’RE FOOLISH AND COLD-HEARTED.
WE NEED VIGILANTES TO GO, WELL-ARMED, EXPERIENCED, TO TEACH THESE LOW-LIVES A LESSON THEY’LL N E V E R FORGET (IF THEY SURVIVE)!
I HOPE THE BOCHUR MAKES A COMPLETE RECOVERY. SEE HOW DANGEROUS IT IS GOING IN THAT AREA LATE AT NIGHT. IT’S NOT THE FIRST TIME.
D O N ‘T G O N E A R THAT AREA AT THAT TIME!
a yungerman
as we aproach this Rosh Hashana, I would like to take upon myself a new hachlota to donate 2, 1/2 hours a week for the community
1) saying tehillim.
2) patrolling the shchune. (and if anyone has a set of brass nuckles for me that would be great).
CH resident
I think a print out of all the crimes listed here on the website should be printed out and presented to Mayor Bloomberg. This is unacceptable!!! I live right by the police station and in broad daylight the window of my car was broken and burglarized. The chutzpah is that these animals are getting away with it and the cops are annoyed by our calls and complaints.
Moshiach now!!
yossy hershkop
its time we start make retaliation raids maybe make a force 101 at least these 2 bouchurim defended themself
b/c if they did not g-d forbide who knows what could have happend
horrified
omg this is so scary when will it all end??????????
is the bochur ok??
ch stop the machloikes its only causing trouble!!!!!1
Enough
Enough is Enough….this community needs to act already….the incidents are getting worse and worse….we are going back to the 80’s.
concerned CH Mom
Previously posted at article for woman mugged:
either a demonstration is in order, or someone please post the time and place of the upcoming meeting for 71st precint. The turnout is usually poor, with nobody speaking up, but all of us should take our anger there and make it heard
Also, if shomrim could post some info on what the average, non-macho guy can do – I mean the average over 30-40 yr old men here that care but are not real gung-ho to chase down a perp – they aren’t fit for that but maybe would do an hour a month of patrol… I would help print up a flyer or make phone calls to help organize
SATMAR CHUSSID
In Williamsburg this DOESN’T happen!!!!
girl
I’m terrified to go to Selichos tonite!!!
chana
this is a discrace the police does not do there job
http://www.jdl.org/information/contact.s
The best place to contact after shomrim is: http://www.jdl.org/informat…
They have experience and know what to do.
support crown heights
sorry to say, but shomrim doesn’t seem to be that effective if crime is going up and up as it obviously is. we need to unify and file massive complaints to the mayors office. and we must under all circumstances report every single incident and make sure to get a report number.
P-o-d
ARE ER GOING TO STAND BY AND WATCH THIS HAPPEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN!? WE ARE MANY GOOD PEOPLE AGAINST A FEW SCUM. WHY DONT WE GATHER THE FEW WITH GUTS AND MAKE A STAND. WHY DONT WE GO TO THIER "HOODS" STAND AROUND AND AMBUSH THEM? IF ISRAEL ALWAYS HAS THE RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF SHOULDNT CROWN HEIGHTS HAVE THE SAME RIGHT? ESPACIALLY WHEN ITS AN UNPREVOKED ATTACKE SUCH AS THIS WAS??? EMAIL ME LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU FEE!
Support Crown Heights
this article is insane!
the police are so lax in their duty, which only adds fuel to these perpetrators rather then stopping it!
If they’re not our police, then who are they the police of?
OT Bochur
Last week Thursday morning at 3am i walked out of my house for a moment when I heard a boom. It was to low of a boom to be a gun shot, I figured it was a tire slashing. Then i noticed two black teenagers hanging around a vehicle down my block. I right away called the cops and shmira. The cops responded rather swiftly for a change and they cought the guys which turned out be three black teens. Once the cops cought them they frisked them and one of them had a large knife, not the kind you eat steak with. while the cops frisked them i walked over to the vehicle they were by and noticed that the back passenger window broken, the glove compartment open, the contents all over the front passenger seat and the light under the right front mirror was on, indicating that the door was recently open. There were also two bags of clothing that was stolen from the vehicle that the criminals dropped on the floor when they notice the cops. THE COPS WOULD NOT ARREST THESE KIDS B/C IDID SAY THAT I ACTUALY SAW THEM IN THE CAR. IT WAS CLEAR IT WAS THEM, BUT AFTER HOLDING THEM FOR ABOUT 45 MINUTS THEY LET THEM FREE! THESES ARE THE COPS WEA RE DEALING WITH HERE.
Angry CHer
I think it’s important for people to know that there are words under the picture (illustration) meaning THAT IS NOT THE ACTUAL BAT!!
The only way we are getting change is by making a campeign to lobby Bloomberg.. we must go directly to the top!
Webby: you map out a strategy of what people should say.. where to mail or email or call to and LET’S JUST DO IT!!!!
fff
ther is so much politics going on in the ch area the pepole from the concil dont care whats going on with the muggings and all that they only care for ther reputation and enough is enough
fabrengen
this is tottaly mad since last year i always carry mase with me at night and i think everyone should shomrim should have self defence classes for men and woman and teach us how to use leagel wepons properly we mus also form a proper watch groups of bochurim and young me every night not part of any group just warking the avenues up and down and some cars with spotlights going around….. does it make sence that a car should pull up by 770 late friday night and scream hitler and death to the jews and none says anything his tires and windows should have been slashed we must start protecting ourselves its the only answer say l’chaim its slichos tonight and all ask hashem together for some good news its about time
your brother in Australia
why the h*** isn’t anyone doing anything about it??!!
yanky
The question:Is crime against yidden worse or since you started your site with honest reporting crime is more often REPORTED about.
I want honest answers since I myself am not sure
EX NYPD
D.I.Vaga,where the hell are you?
GUEST
last night, at 1:30 after shul [770] sat.night,allmost no cops where there,with 4,000 to 5,000 men,woman,and kids,going home at that hour!!
DID ANY ONE IN CROWN HEIGHTS LET THE POLICE KNOW THAT THERE IS ON EXTRA 7,000 GUEST FOR THR NEXT MONTH HERE IN CROWN HEIGHTS,AND LAST NIGHT THE STREETS WILL BE PACKED? NEVER BEFORE WAS THIS, THIS BAD !!
EX COP
AS A EX COP IN CROWN HEIGHTS,THIS IS VERY BAD! AND THIS MUST STOP NOW!!
D.I.VEGA & G-D IS THE ONLY ONES THAT CAN STOP IT NOW,IF HE WANTS!! JUST ASK THE RIGHT [REAL] WAY.
Baruch
Why doesn’t somebody donate an automobile to Shomrim with full flashing lights on top and have a Shomrim squad patrol the neighborhood all night, till daybreak. And of course a wealthy donor should pay for the gasoline. Perhaps having a flashing lights patrol all night would help ward off the no-good perps.
lives here
In the last 3 months there must have been hundreds of calls for action posted on this site. Yet nothing is done.
I honestly don’t get it. I live here, I have NEVER been afraid, not even during the riots, but somehow, things are different now.
When Yankel Rosenbaum HY"D was murdered, the place was crawling with cops. When Ephraim Klein HY"D was murdered…hardly any.
It’s all in OUR attitude. NYPD & the Mayor don’t care because we only complain amongst ourselves.
I’m afraid not so much for myself, but for my husband & Bochurim sons who are out at night @ Farbrengens, Hakoffos, etc during Tishrei. What’s going to happen @ Succos?
Where is our super-hero?
We’ve got Chanina, Nash, Lang, Plotkin & Rubashkin. We all know how useful they are!
Shea Hecht…YOUR name was all over the PAC sheets. If you’re political, you do something. YOU be the hero. You live here too! Aren’t you afraid for YOUR kids? And what about YOUR mother? She walks round here like everyone else.
We all take a risk when we walk out of our front doors.
And we’re not safe even inside any more!!!
Invite the media to meet with the recent victims. Let them take pictures & interview the 78 year old bubbe, Friday night’s Bochur.
For everybody’s sake, we must do something. We are not protected.
And to start…increase patrols. Beat up these vicious niggers when they attack. If we have more patrols we have a better chance of getting there before the shvartzes run away.
meir rhodes
my dear x-neighbors. forget about the police. they hate you as much as the anti-jewish goyim who are attacking you. this doesn’t happen in villiasmburg because they take flesh, o.k.
Rabbi Leibel
would this website please stop permitting bloggers to use racial slurs? Yes, many perps are African American. And there are also Lubavitchers who are African American and oriental, Hispanic.
The major flaw I find in Crown heights Jews is the use of the word in Yiddish meaning black: schvartz. Parents use it freely, I am sickened when the children use it.(The only permissible use should be if the entire conversation is in Yiddish).
It’s neither right for a Jew to be called hymie, jewboy or kike.
Yes, there are awful black people who commit crimes. And there is almost no Jewish crime (except for family and internal squabbles, which in fact do occur in frum communities).
Let’s act and write maturely.
Eliezer
To whom it may concern:
I have a way to bring a nice stash of Mace and Brass Nuckels to the Shchune, if there is an interest and partiall funding. also i noticed "yungerman" was interested in brass nuckels, i have some here, contact me.
Mendy
MACE DRIVE:
I’m starting a fund to get everyone in CH legal mace to carry with them.. If your interested in donating money or would like to help this project please email me by clicking on the Name list.
Even if it helps one person, it’s worth it!
the mayors office/NYC.gov
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mytwocents
until the mayor, police, shomrim and everyone else figures it out – maybe someone should tell bochurim not to hang out on Rochester and EP 12:30 at nite. A bissel seichal!!
meir rhodes
C.H is held to a different standard than say williamsburg. if the jews react with understandable violence then this brings in sharpton and the other race mongers.i remember in the progrom of 91 the police arresting the burchrium for defending the community. that being said the community MUST protect itself. that means by all means necessary. this is the only message that will reach the street.once the street finds one or two "perps" with broken knees , they’ll get the message.street patrols every night will help. people should carry mace or pepper spray.that means anyone who walks the streets day or night.self defense training is a must. political action and pressure on the local politicans and police from leaders of the CH business community will send a message to the city. get articulate spokesmen to go on radio and explain what’s happening to the community. all this being said ,CROWN HEIGHTS MUST PROTECT ITSELF,NOW.
out of towner
i dont live in ch but i def agree that s/th must b done is there ne1 of u that post comments thast will be really ready to do s/th if yes let e/1 (by posting another comment) how they can help,organising patrols,self defense groups,ect.
it says that when s.1 gets up 2 killu kill hin first!!!!!!!1
ch MUST do s/th to stop it & nuting will be done until YOU start it until now e/1 is just talking aboout it
in response to yanky i think that the crime rate has gone up & as ppl say its b.c of the machlokes (yaers ago the same thing happened & e/1 knoew it was a direct result of machlokes) STOP IT ITS THE REBBES SHCHUNA IS THIS S?TH THE REBBE WOULD HAVE WANTED???????????????CRIMES BEING COMMITED TO HIS CHASSIDIM B?C OF MACHLOKES BETWEEN HIS CHASSIDIM??????????????????????????????
Itzik_s
The bochur should have a refuah sheleima.
What is going on with these behemas? Was it this bad when Giuliani was mayor? This sounds like Stinkin’ Dinkins time all over again.
And will this be investigated as a bias crime? Or is that only when whites attack a darker citizen?
Ad Mosai?!?!
sick and tired
Bring Rudy Giuliani back!! The only way Mayore Bloomberg would understand what we are going through is if 1) He moves into Crown Hights for a week. 2) Let’s bring the gangsters to 79th and Madison.
cali rox!!!
u guys say that there has to be something done…..so instead of tlakin y dnt u guys act….duh?!!?…..i mean its not that easy do deal wid a nigger!…..have fun though!!
Sara
I hope that the bachur has a refuah sheleimah. Ad Mosai?!
Eliezer
my idea:
Shomrim should choose a sunday afternoon, and let people and the media know.
also get the yungerlait and baalei batim, and bochurim, that are shayach to it, to all take an hour a week or what they can, to volenteer. if there is funds needed, a fundraiser at a time like this should go pretty well.
Ruchie
I understand that licensed pharacists can sell mace or pepper spray. These can be used to ward off actual attackers in progresss. If I am wrong, somebody should let this website know. NYPD has carried pepper spray since 1991 and we should all carry it in Crown Heights.
The spectre of that alone might wake up the cops and politicians. Just think if some perps were peppered by bochurim they attacked and watch them run and scream all over eastern parkway, back and forth in traffic from the 71 to the 77 and back.
Out of Towner
1st of all – you people should be ashamed.. dont lower yourself to their level by cursing in an open and very much public forum.
2nd of all – sell your homes, and move to a nice quiet neigborhood in the suburbs away from New York. Were i live, you can take up arms if you feel threatened – think about it and become a card carrying member of the NRA.
action!!!!!!!
will someone now announce (i mean like now post it) that hey r wliing to organise rallies & patrol ect. for the safety of ch
once s/1 does it im sure alot of ppl would go allong w/ hiom
not a liberal
Rabbi Leibel needs to get a life. Do the Shvartzes call us nice names when they attack us? Or do they call us #$@*%*&^$# Jews?
The definition of a Jewish Liberal is a Jewish Conservative who’s never been mugged.
Get real & get over it. You teach your kids to make nice to the monkeys. I’ll teach mine to use mace & a cell phone programmed to SHOMRIM.
Grow up…you think they’ll hate us less if we’re PC????
Sick already!
I just e-mailed this message about the bochurim to the governers office
http://www.nyc.gov/portal/s…
I hope it will work
I then e-mailed the same message to batia at the chjcc.
See what happens now.
I’ll just keep harrasing people till the crime stops!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
doodle
not a liberal:
You’re kind of missing the point here. Reb Leibel is right. There is a way to deal with violence without bringing the ethnicity in. Who cares? Violence is violence, no matter who commits it. And assuming that he is a "Reb", perhaps a little respect would be in order. Bringing kids up with a healthy appreciation of safety is definitely a good thing. Bringing them up the way you propose only causes more problems because of the senseless hatred they would harbor against people they don’t even know. That’s not even mentioning the fact that some of the people whose color you are slandering are members of the Jewish community, so perhaps a little sensitivity would be nice. Have a good week.
still not a liberal
To Doodle
this is exactly why weve got these problems. Because we Jews are so worried about what everyone thinks about us, as well as our Kovod. We always have to be loved by the world.
(Everyone here’s a "Reb". Most don’t deserve respect.)
can we please stop worrying about ethnic "slurs" and worry about our safety? I promise you…the niggers yes, they are, aren’t PC. Meanwhile, we are getting beaten up and even killed.
And you care about NAMES????
boo hoo.
mottel
As somebody above said, there are so many safer neighborhoods, why can’t CH be like that? Has anything really changed since the 80s or 91? It is shocking – I lived there from 98-02 and I am poshut scared to think of living there now, reading of what happens. I honestly don’t recall tehre being as much violence going on then.
Gang warfare, attacking them, etc. won’t stop the cycle.
1. We need proper leaders with some beitzim to represent our cause to the city etc. to clean up the neighborhood (bring back Rudy Guliani…)
2. We need to examine ourselves and end the machlokes – this has a ruchniyus benefit but also the gashmiyus that then our leaders will actually help us.
Why do other nieghborhoods not have this provlem? Why have we become a laughing stock?
Moishy Goldstein
THE CRIME IS TOO HIGH!
RIBOINOI SHEL OLOM!
BrookAve
It would be a good idea while we have the extra "guests" in CH for the month, for our very organized council to call a rally in front of the police station and utilize their presence. But, alas, the guests will be spending time farbrengen during the morning at 770 or at the Ohel, afternoons at the fine Judaica stores spending hours in front of esrogim tables. Afterwards it is pizza or shwarma, and the holy ice cream store for dessert. Then it’s back to 770 or the Ohel for more heated debates about chicken or pomegranates or some such nonsense. When will they have a chance to participate in such mundane matters such as a rally?
Lincoln Place
I just posted the following online: at http://www.nyc.gov/html/mai…
Everyone is resposible to post messages like this!!!
Jewish Boy Brutally Assaulted Friday Night
At around 12:30am Friday night two Jewish Boys walking on Eastern Pkwy. and Rochester Ave. were assaulted. The incident began as the two were walking when they heard someone behind them yell “You ******* Jew”, when they turned around one of the Jewish Boys was struck in the face with a baseball bat, after which a group of about 7 to 8 Black Males closed in prepared to possibly lynch the Jewish Boys when they both managed to fend off their assailants.
PLEASE HELP!!! This is an everyday incident in Crown Heights!!!
BOY
What does "PC" mean.
yecho
To heck with City Governement they suck. Contact the US attorney generals office and make this a federal case.
CH SCooper
mottel,
I disagree. Other neighborhoods are NOT safer. You just read laot of this crap here b/c it is well reported by the webby, and justly so.
Other areas have similar issues. The grass is NOT greener elswhere. I do admit in WIlliamburg I highly doubt the folks would allow this to fester for so long. We should be looing inward and figure this one out or call out and ask for help.
We may be great in shlichus and all, but when it comes to security we are far far behind.
Itzik_s
I understand that licensed pharacists can sell mace or pepper spray. These can be used to ward off actual attackers in progresss. If I am wrong, somebody should let this website know.
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You are 1000% right, and Sunshine Pharmacy stocks it – I got mine there. Those who are the likeliest targets – women and teenage girls, foreign bochurim, those who are out very late at night etc need to carry it ONLY if they feel they have the reflexes to use it properly. Otherwise it can backfire.
doodle
still not a liberal:
I don’t happen to be a liberal either. And I don’t give a hoot what other people think of us really, unless it is other Jews perhaps. I am a firm believer in punishment and if need be, retaliation. I think you missed my point. If fighting back is what needs to happen and is the only thing that will stop this craziness, then so be it. I just don’t understand what the point is behind the labels. They did something so they should be punished. Who cares who they are? The fact that there is a higher rate of them doing it is alarming, but still….I really can’t see the point in indooctrinating certain things among the youth. To be more careful, yes. But other things are pointless and stupid. And really? I thought most Jews deserve respect. What ever happened to that? Just because you don’t agree does not give anyone a right to be disrespectful. I have never been known for being "politically correct", but yes, certain things said on here do bother me because I feel the anger could be better used directed elsewhere and for something more effective, so sorry to be the cause of those crocodile tears.
BLOURIAP
To: "this is a discrace the police does not do there job.."
AND OTHER OF THIS KIND.
PLEASE STOP THINKING LIKE THIS. IT IS NOT THE POLICE DEPT. IT IS THE LIBERAL, CARE-NOTHING, ARROGANT, CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.
THIS IS N O T THE AMERICA IT USED TO BE. WHERE ARE THE DAUGHTERS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION? THIS GOVERNMENT DOESN’T DESERVE SHEEPLIKE CITIZENS, THE WAY THEY HAVE THEM NOW IN THEIR EVIL GRIP! TAKE A STAND!
I DESTROYED A DRUG DEALERS CAR HERE ON UNION STREET, BTWN SCHENDTY. & UTICA BY DROPPING ROCKS ON HIS CAR. HE NEVER RETURNED.
VIGILANTES UNITE!
man in ch
pepole its time for us to stop sitting here and posting we got to go down to the police station and protest and if they dont do any thing maybe we will have to do what boro park did many years ago and storm the police station
confused
I don’t understand, every few days the police have this police car parade right in front of 770. what are they doing? what are they trying to show?
levi
if im not mistaking there are two sets of shomrim in the ch area, and each claims to be the shmirah while the other is a made up adress and a non prfit. our community counsel associates itself with one group, and like this they receive thousands in grants and funding for their so called volenteer patrol service. this made up organization also has many pushkes all over crown heights. there is enogh funding to operate a full force precingct with 10 brand new cars. i dont know to where the money is going to. im sure one of the JCC’s polititian’s bank accont is geting fatter.
but what i do know is that there is a small group of very dedicated yungerleit and bochurim who actually spend their time patroling the neighborhood, day and night, on their own expense. one boy in the family who recently married told me how even in finantially hard times it is his own money he spends on the quater tank of gas per night of patroling our neighberhood. you can see him every once in a while in his black car. who reemburses him? i dont know, but its definitly not the bookeeper of the community counseles Shomrim department, becouse that department is limited to phony paperwork and a name somewhere who is pocketing the cash.
DTW
Back in February, this site reported on the mugging that occurred when my son, then 18, was coming to his host’s home after a farbrangen. He was held up at gunpoint and after the perps took his watch, they hit him in the head and knocked him out. I don’t know if OT will let the bochrim drive on patrol but I really admire the family who drives around to watch for crime.
I feel for the parents of the bocher that was attacked because it happened to my son.
proud NRA member
I think politicians will take notice if several 100 CH residents came down and filed for LEGAL handgun licenses. By law, they must issue a premise (not carry) license as long as you have a clean record. It takes 6 months and approx $400.00 to get, but then you can legally have a gun in your house. Let the cops, and media, think about that idea, of hundreds of legal guns in the CH!!