41 Comments

• fully informed

  wow!

• curious

  If the police know exactly who they are after, why don’t they arrest them BEFORE they kill someone?

  Oh, I forgot, it’s for the same reason he wasn’t arrested now. They’re scared someone might be upset about getting arrested, and it might turn violent ("a riot might ensue").

  If all they can do is write reports (oops, and tickets), do we really need them?? NO! we need people who can stand strong in the face crime, *especially* violent crime, not less so. We need the NYPD to really shape up, and remove the criminals from our neighborhoods!

  Let’s all call 311 and complain about the recent influx in violent crime here in our community, occurring during BROAD DAYLIGHT! In the past three days SEVEN (7) people in our community were violently assaulted, for details refer to http://www.crownheights.info . Tell them we want the police to actually do something more than show up after all the criminals have left, and then file a report obstinately ensuring not to accidental arrest the criminal lest a riot break-out. Make sure to receive a reference/complaint number and keep a record of it. Maybe post the reference numbers here to encourage more people to call, and show how strong we really can be!

• curious

  That’s right by Bais Rivka. B’H it was during school hours

• RMP 1474

  YOU CAN NOT JUST ARREST SOMEONE WITHOUT INVESTAGATING IT. IT TAKE TIME TO GO TROUGH THE EVIDENTS AT THE CRIME LAB A PHOTOS HAVE TO BE REVIWED BE FORE YOU CAN JUST GO AND LOCK THEM UP. AND STOP SAYING STUPID STUFF THERE ISN’T GOING TO BE A ROIT AGAIN IN CROWN HEIGHT CAUSE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES’T WANT A REPEAT OF’91.

  ALSO PLEASE WEAR YOUR SEAT BELT WHEN YOUR CAR IS IN MOTION AND STAY OFF YOUR CELL PHONE IF YOU DON’T HAVE A HANDS FREE KIT AND MAINTAIN NORMAL SPEED WHICH IS 30 MPH ON CITY STREET UNLESS STATED OTHERWISE.

• Renegade

  what’s up with the handcuffed dude with his pants halfway down? did they pull him off a toilet and not give him the chance to pull his pants all the way up?

• Anonymous

  Renegade:

  That dude is a brother to the guy who got shot. Apparently it’s a dress style in his circles.

• not from around here.....

  You are right Webby, it is a style we see here in California all the time. It is discusting because there rear ends are sticking out.
  What really gets me is they can’t even walk when their pants are worn like that.

  I also don’t think they would riot for a black on black crime. What I don’t get is why the police respond so quickly to black crime victims, and take for ever to respond when it is a Yid.

• all the way in aussie and cares for her

  if hes a brother why does it appear as if hes handcuffed?

• samster

  holy cow!
  beautiful coverage webby (as usual)

• BOY

  DID HATZALAH & SHOMRIM SHOW UP

• getting sick of it

  there was also more gunshots last night at around 11pm at the union and utica area also fondly know as the zoo.

• mother in CH

  Webby- his own brother shot him??

  What the heck is going on in CH??????!!!

• Me

  Actullay that is standard op. They strip search him for weapon. Once he rushed the building he can be detained. He probably caused more harm than good, and could be the reason they lost the perp, and had not arrested him.

• Joe

  Great Pics and coverage…you are really good!!

• Crown Heights Fantasy Moshe Rubashkin

  Crown Heights looks like a third world country in Africa….. What a blessing!!!

• slev

  Rubashkin forget about the damn elections and do something about this community?

  What ar you waiting for?

• Anonymous

  Just to Clarify,

  The victim was shot by a third person, the brother (half naked one) was walking around screaming he will get revenge, at which point he attempted to ‘rush’ (run into) the building which the suspect appeared to be in.

  That is why he was arrested. Police never had the perp to loose him.

• Mendy

  To "not from around here":

  The reason the cops respond so quickly to black-on-black is because there is much violence in that community, hence making it unreliable and unstable, which means that any situation there can easily explode so when anything happens they rush in to crush it before it gets out of hand, while with us, they know us to be a (largely) stable, reliable, steady family-oriented community not prone to violence and chaos. That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t act effectively, it just means that when one of us gets attacked, they know we’re not gonna go crazy and start attacking innocent bystanders or pull out a gun and start shooting in every direction. IOW, when a Jew’s involved, it’s not a SITUATION. We don’t create SITUATIONS. We are better than them.

• awacs

  "The reason the cops respond so quickly to black-on-black is because there is much violence in that community, hence making it unreliable and unstable, which means that any situation there can easily explode so when anything happens they rush in to crush it before it gets out of hand, while with us, they know us to be a (largely) stable, reliable, steady family-oriented community not prone to violence and chaos. That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t act effectively, it just means that when one of us gets attacked, they know we’re not gonna go crazy and start attacking innocent bystanders or pull out a gun and start shooting in every direction. "

  Well, maybe we should change. Perhaps THAT would get their attention.

  "IOW, when a Jew’s involved, it’s not a SITUATION. We don’t create SITUATIONS. We are better than them."

  Yes, we go like sheep. Baaa!

• lmaala m-seder ha-teva

  this is crazy every day things are happening! dosen’t anybody think that this has something to do with the machlokes in ch? maybe all these things that are happening are l’maala m’seder ha’teva? maybe all we need to do is have true ahavas yisroel.

• no name

  im uset to it all. all i have to say is BIG DEEL !

• amazing

  i never saw such security like i live montreal but to sea all the picturs that so cool

• chaya

  i cant believe something like this happened again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the police have to start becoming better at what they are employed to do and our money is paying for for! i dont know if its the mayor, or govenor, or the president but its someones fault!

• Eli

  With more machlokes in the community, you guys had better get used to it (R"L). Maybe the heiliger rabbonim, Vaad members, Netzigim, gabo’im, mazkirim and everyone else should look up what it says in shulchan oruch about what one should do be’eis tzoro. I’m pretty sure it doesn’t say "call for new elections".

  I don’t care who wins the elections. All I want is for Lubavitch to but the "Liuba" back in – the "love" upon which our way of life was founded.

• crownorion

  where was the chopper and swat teams for ephraim kleins shootings, where were they. no pictures of any shomrim or hatzolah on scene, why is that because nostrand and crown is outside of the shechuna. the bais rivka is there and i used to live there. thank hashem wasnt one of our brothers.

• boy

  more gunshots in crown heights

  OY VEY

• Natalie

  Wow Mendy ~ That’s a strong statement that "you" are better than "them". It’s sad that you really believe that. Not only is it strong, it’s also 100% incorrect. No one is better than anyone. Comments like that is what creates hostile environments and racism.

  I guess you would call the recent riot in Borough Park, Brooklyn civil????

• not from around here.....

  To Mendy…

  You are right. That is too bad for the Yidden. If police responded quicker they may actually catch the perps. I guess that might not be good either, they would still have an excuse to riot.

• wanna know

  does anyone know what happened on eastern parkway and nostrand around 3 ish today. half of eastern parkway was cornered off, there were loads of cops , fdny,

• so much fun in CH

  Goodie – Goodie – Gumdrops!!!!!
  This place is cool.
  I feel like we are living in some war zone, here in Crown Heights!
  You don’t have to turn on the T.V. anymore to see what’s goin’ on in Iraq, Just go out into the streets of CH and watch people get killed and beaten up….you might even get killed yourself if your’e lucky.
  Cool stuff man.
  Get da brothers’ riggin’

• Mendy

  To Natalie,

  You can have your feelings, which I respect, but look at the facts of each group’s track record… use your head, not your heart.

  What creates racism in the individual is human nature, not the attitudes of those around the individual. The Chinese are very racist, but I don’t see people attacking them. Racism is created by how you are educated (by parents, community, peer group or whichever size sociological grouping) to react to your own human nature (feelings, at least in the case of blacks towards the Jews, of jealousy). You can create negative feelings in others, but you are not necessarily responsible for their decision to act upon those feelings. That is largely their responsibility.

  Now, our Torah-based society creates a family-based structure and value system in which the violence innate to all humans is highly frowned upon, and educates our youth to see their own violent tendencies as wrong (in terms of "ahavas yisroel," "yetzer harah", mentchlichkeit, etc.).

  Which is precisely why I see the Boro Park riot as such an embarrasment and an abberation. That’s so not us.

• hyh?

  once again, more criminal acts.
  its amazing to see how when something happens with the jews, it is as if nothing, but if G-d forbid something happens with the other people, everyone is there!!

• me

  btw i think its the summer now its hot and all the blacks go crazy.. also i knw someone who was outside wen this happened and one of the guys ran thru her allyway.. they asked her questions about what she saw

  this is really scary even though the bochur in front of 1414 got hit on the head that doesnt mean the only place they should place police cars is on president and kingston they should put more on albany troy etc. there has been so many muggings and there is really nothing happening abou t it

• Renegade

  Webby:
  I’m well aware that it’s a "dress style" in his circles. that was an (apparantly ill-fated) attempt at humor.

  to natalie:
  yes, in fact "we" are better then "them"

  when was the last time one of "us" shot somebody? when was the last time one (or a group) of "us" started beeting some random person on the street as a gang initiation rite?

  are the boro park "riots" the best you can come up with? why dont you compare that to the last time "they" rioted. or for that matter ANY time "they" rioted. I’m sure you’ll find that whatever they did pales in comparrison to the horrible acts commited in the B.P. "riots"

• be proud

  renegade, you are 100% righ and people like Natalie really upset me. why are you so intent on defending them? i promise you they hate you big time, its what you get for being born a jew, be proud of it, they hate us because they know we’re better – how could you not think otherwise, we lead G-d fearing, family oriented, true way of life, they covet our way of our life.

• Natalie

  I lead a very God fearing life and I am very family oriented.

  It seems Renegade and Webby thought I may have been Jewish and was a "sell out". My family is from Jamaica. I was brought up to see people as individuals and not sterotype human beings. There are many negative sterotypes for all races, creeds and religions including people who are of the Jewish faith – in case you haven’t heard. It seems your parents, community, peer groups, etc. have failed you if you’ve been taught that you are better than any race. They have done a disservice to each of you.

  My whole point for everyone who is getting upset, is to see people as individuals. I will not argue or attack anyone on this board I disagree with or who disagrees with me. It’s not worth fighting people who are ignorant and have closed minds.

  I wish each of you the best in life. As long as you’re on this earth, you’ll have to live with and interact with many different people. We are all God’s children.

  God Bless.

• this is not the bathroom!!!!

  maybe the police should buy the handcuffed guy a belt for a birthday present!!
  (maybe also a shirt)

• anonymous

  look at how many police men and helicopters and trucks show up to a shooting of a guy but not when a jew is killed or shot. raizesem

• Renegade

  Natalie:

  I think you missed the point here.

  1st of all, I suspected from the begining that you are probably not Jewish. I stuck with "us" and "them" as those were the terms in use until then.

  You need to look at the context, not just the one sentence "We are better then them"

  The point was not that "we" are inherently better then "them". the point is that in this particuler aspect, in regards to violent crime, or in regards to violence in general, [based on our actions and behavior, not our race] "we" as a whole are a lot better then "them" as a whole.

  This obviously does not mean that every one of "them" is a violent criminal. It just means that as a group "they" are A LOT more prone to violence then "we" are.

  This is not about a stereotype. It’s just the facts on the ground.

  As you said, We’re all G-d’s children, G-d Bless.

• Help

  help thats on the corner of BRHS
  some girls even go to the corner grocery store when they earn a free lunch

• Itzik_s

  To Natalie:

  Instead of wasting your time and our space on Jewish boards, why don’t you go and speak to YOUR people about how to behave. I assure you that if we had Korean or Chinese neighbors here in CH, there would not be one word of even mildly racist feelings toward them. Every one of us (and I am very new to CH but not to NY) is a victim or knows a victim of crime. And I am very sorry, but that personal and property crime is the work of black youths.

  All we are doing is stating facts. The Jewish community here is largely (as in 98%) law abiding. The surrounding black community does have some fine law abiding citizens but by and large blacks are responsible for the violent and property crime here.

  You want respect? Respect others, and don’t come here with any phony holier than thou garbage. Because if you do not speak out about the crime in YOUR community, and the racist filth that YOUR people listen to on the radio and from your preachers of hate, then YOU are part of the problem. Covering up for the filth in your community by lecturing to us is not going to get you anywhere.

  In fact, I can see right through you. You are a racist yourself.

  And as for the Boro Park riots, the cops deserved it. Problem was that no one was there to channel anger into a constructive protest, and that is where the protestors are at fault. Still, unlike in 1991, property damage was sub-minimal and not one person was severely injured.