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• CH-er forever

  REfuah sheleimah!

• Shnuel Y

  Here is the other side of the story, the true side.

  Today I cry, as I read what some people want to do to us. They have names for us like “Meshichistim,” or “ Tzfasnicks”, is it not enough that we have to wear Yellow Flags on our garments to identify ourselves? Is it not enough that we have to sing together loudly and shout while others are davening just to get noticed? We have been persecuted by the right for many years. While they get to Daven upstairs we are kept downstairs in the basement cellar. While they have offices they were given, we have to squat just to get a place of business.

  While you have stores to go to for clothing and other stuff we have to shop in flee markets that are open on cold street corners and in courtyards of buildings. While you eat in fine establishments like mermelsteins, we get to eat whatever is handed to us, (cholent, cookies and milk in 770).

  While you are out working and bringing in your hard earned dollars we are stuck on Sunday giving out dollars. I find it hard to believe that you people who feel that we should be thrown out, or our visas should be taken away from us would have the audacity today to come out on a website to say something like this.

  Our people have been persecuted for so long its time for us to be heard. And unlike your way of violence our way is the right way.

  What some of you might say from looking at a picture of some of us throwing a bench as us trying to hurt someone, what really happened was, there were so many true mesiras nefesh shluchim in the room that we tried to make room, while taking out a bench it fell and it might have hurt someone or broke his leg. By the way we are very sad about this and would like to offer our help to this shliach, it is a thought that maybe we should send a delegation to Vietnam to live by him, and eat by him and sing with him.

  What some of you think was us hitting or punching others, really what happened, we were so happy to be around such true people that we were putting out our hands to dance with them, as we were singing loudly such a wonderful song. Which, leads me to the next issue, while some might think we were trying to make noise as some were trying to farbreng, really we were singing in-between speeches.

  So as you can tell, we are very hurt by what some of you are calling for us to be thrown out, as we are just peace loving Jews who go out of our way to just fit in.

  One last example of how we help out, the wood on the walls in 770 were getting old, so instead of spending money to fix it, we came up with a genius plan and wrote signs on hung them up all around the shul. So now instead of being afraid to bring in your supporters to show them an old building you can show them a room with great art hanging on the walls.

  Please remember, we are the ones who for so long have had it so hard, and we are the ones that just want to help in anyway we can. (By the way you can send in your donations to us, Make your check payable to Terrorist Squatters, 770 Eastern Pkwy, Brooklyn, NY) For $300. you can help save one boy from the dirty streets of Tzvas and help bring him to the US&A where he can join us in our love for peace and quite).

• Deeply Saddened

  There is nothing to add to this. Rabbi Hart-man says it all so eloquently.

  You’re a Shliach of the Rebbe. Emes will ultimately succeed where Sheker cannot.

  Refuah Shleima & Hatzlacha.

• Mordy

  I hope that Rabbi Hart-man files civil charges against the pogromist Thaler and his perp accomplices. The DA must also prosecute, the feds should deport, and the Rabbi should recover for his loss. The pogromist perps from Tsfat have to be fought like D-Day.

• ad mosai

  all thease guys need beatings nad they need to be sent back were they came from their behavior is like the arabs enogh is enough how much more of this can go on futher they give the rebbe agervation thats it what they do the rebe only wanted ahavas yisrael its discrace whats transpiring its dispicible enough allready

• CH

  good luck in Vietnam.
  Crow Heights Sheeple – wake up! we must get rid of the terroist in our community!

• The fact is

  Thaler holds an American passport. He cannot be deported.

• sheichen ha-sh-chunah

  While I am sympathetic to the outrage I nevertheless take issue with the phrasing of your headline. It constitutes an unnecessary insult to the mikdosh m’ott sheh b’bavel zoh 770 and hence the Rebbe. The m’raglim and the hamon ha’om, who were discouraged by the “factual” report (diboss ha’aretz), were punished with a delay of their entry into eretz for 40 years. Your choice of terminology and the undisciplined reactions it is bound to elicit will not only fail to lead to a solution it may very well cause further harm. There is a solution but it will only arise from a level-headed approach supported by a consensus of right-minded people.

• uhhuh

  I don’t understand any of you! There is no right or wrong side…all that has happened in the past couple of weeks has been terrible but to call a fellow jew and a fellow chosid a terrorist…how dare any of you. Rabbi Hart-man’s legs should have never been broken. Shame of the person/people that caused him pain. But the Rebbe’s parachos should have never been ripped down either. Everyone blames the ‘other side’ and says disgusting things about ‘the other side’…how about some ahavas yisroel for a change and stop the name calling and the threats of persecution. This is exactly what the Rebbe doesnt want! LEARN TO AGREE TO DISAGREE…..we will never know what the real truth is until the ultimate revelation. So…both sides…stop the name calilng, the bench throwing, the destruction of 770 and just chill…all the ‘antis’ understand that people do think the Rebbe in Moshiach and they want to publisize it in every way possible. “Mishichists’ understand that there are many chassidim of the Rebbe who do not agree with you. I think everyone has to take a step back and connect to the Rebbe and not to your egos.

• ISchier

  Sheichen – the headline was chosen by Shturem.net.

  Shmuel Y – great stuff. Problem is I already sent my $300 to a post office box in Creedmoor Psychiatric Hospital.

  I also hope that Rabbi H’s leg heals quickly, and that finally something is done about these hooligans. I don’t know the name that is being mentioned here, but if he is indeed American then a civil suit that would keep him busy in court might be a good way to take care of him once and for all. (What he did was probably also criminal assault but it might not get him a long enough sentence or a restraining order keeping him away from 770). First and foremost, though, he needs to be put in cherem and banned from Crown Heights altogether.

• Yehudah Laufer

  There is something that I believe is notgetting enought attention: the role of alcohol in all of this. The pictures of that evening all show many bottles of empty Vodka on the tables. We need to examine whether alcohol has become too large a part of our lives as a community. This is especially true where many of the people present (and the instigators later) were too young to drink. Who knows how this would have turned out if everybody was stone cold sober.

  Alcohol has ravaged many lives in the secular world and more people than we would like to believe among Anash. I know this is the way we have done it for decades – including since long before 3 Tammuz – but i think we have to change that. The risks outweigh the benefits.

• I WILL FIGHT BACK

  So, whatever it is gonna be, its gonna be. But I for one will fight back. If I am ever assaulted I will press charges and put the person in jail. then after 3 to 4 years in prison were he belongs, I will have him deported.

• Shliach

  To “Sheichen ha-sh-chuna”
  Your unsympathetic (pathetic) rant, in which you have chosen to ignore the issues, and quote from the Torah to support your nonsense, constitutes an insult to the Mikdash Me’at in which ‘Shuolim hilchu Boh’, as well as an insult to the Rebbe. You have an audacity to advise a Shliach with a broken leg that we need to have a level-headed approach of right minded people.
  Your undisciplined reaction fails to lead to a practical solution!

• An Inspired Crown Heightser

  REALITY CHECK:

  I am one of those who do not speak to my neighbours because one is a Meshichist, the other is so vehemently anti, and I can’t stand either approach. Then I went to a Mesibos Shabbos on Friday night of the Kinus at the home of the Gutnicks in Montgomery Street. They invited a shliach to speak – Rabbi Yitzhak Schochet from London England. He spoke for forty five minutes straight and was so powerful and so eloquent and so emotional all mixed in one. And while he didn’t spell everything out he didn’t need to. The hints at different times were subtle but clear and I promised myself that I would take his message on board. But I didn’t until after the events of Sunday night when I knocked on both neighbours doors and invited them in for coffee. You have no idea the sense of happiness that we all feel being able to put this all behind us.

  Someone suggested shluchim should come more often to New York. I think certain shluchim who could really inspire like that should be brought to New York and given to farbreng at different venues for the weekend to inspire those of us who are living in the Rebbe’s shcunah but feel sometimes furthest away.

  Moshiach is on his way, but it’s up to us to make it happen!

• m.f.

  Re: The comment about your choice of Headline

  The comment is ludicrous. Do you know that the Arab man who drove his car into a crowd of people was wearing his seatbelt? Would you comment about how it’s unfair to call the whole incident terroristic? The headline states a fact. If you don’t like the fact, the fact shold be changed, but not swept under the rug. If you can do something about it, do something. Otherwise pray.

• Forgiven

  you all sound like a bunch of pissed off hot heads that seem to want to have it out at another round in 770. you could ship your fellow jewish enemys out of the country and you could spit at them and curse them while your at it. i am sure that rabbi hart-mans mesiras nefesh in viatnam will be the first to bring moshiach, and the rebbe is with him. but if he lives with a hatered toward his brother who hurt him then his work in viatnam is useless, and no matter the pain hashem dwells where there is peace.

• Gbb

  To Mr. uhhuh

  I am sorry to disappoint you but you are %100 wrong wrong wrong…

  It is because of people of your ilk that gives fodder to this strange and non Jewish cult that has sprung up amongst us.
  Just think for a moment, just one moment; these hooligans where throwing benches, holy sefarim etc where the rebbe sat for years and years giving out divrei kodesh, divrei sichos umamroim, The holiest levels of Torah and in that same Makom Kodesh, they were being mevavzvez the makom kodesh “Kipsuhuto” and you scream about tearing down the rebbes perochos, are you out of your mind?? What rebbes perochoes? Don’t you see what their religion is coming to? They have substituted Torah and Mitzvos for slogans like Yechi, Gevalt! Forget about Torah and mitvhos it’s the sign or peroches that has the yechi on it. Wake Up gevalt!!!!!!
  And yes, if a boy can be mevayez the place of the rebbe, yet cry when he sees a sign coming down it IS a different Religion, no two ways about it!
  If another religion came and tried to take your shul your beloved chasidus over would u say well lets learn to disagree?
  Gevalt what are you talking about?
  It is so simple, yet people don’t want to look, they make excuses because they can not handle the other side (shemtovs, krinsky etc..) but Chevra wake up!!!!!

• shame shame shame

  For those of us that werent there it wasnt your job to let us no. why? so that evryone can talk more loshon hora as an outsome of the kinnus?why? this whole sotry was not neccessary to post

• Naked truth

  I am very close with Hart-man. There is not a bone of hate in his body… What he said is just the naked truth… and yes the truth hurts. Problems arise when we decide to alter the truth because it doesnt fit our agenda.

  ___
  “Please, don’t confuse me with the facts, I want to believe that the Tzfatim are wonderful people”

• mgb

  “but if he lives with a hatered toward his brother who hurt him then his work in viatnam is useless”

  you are the one that stated the word hate, so my freind look in the mirror.

• Itzik_s

  The attitude toward those who desecrated 770 must be one of Zechor ve’Al Tishkach. Sorry, but we are not touchy feely don’t hate your brother Carlebachers around here. Those people are not my brothers. Maybe after a spell in prison they’ll do tshuva, but at this point they are the enemies of Lubavitch, no less than the Yevsektzia (also Jews) were during Stalin YMS’s time.

  The behemas who did what they did in 770 are worthy of nothing but contempt, and they have got to go. Even if they are mentally ill, which could be the case, 770 is not a mental ward, although last night and the last time I was there Shabbos it sure looked like one.

  And that was NOT the Rebbe’s paroches that was removed. It was a paroches that is an affront to the Rebbe (along with the sign that was ripped down). Ideally, the disinfection should not have taken place when the Chassidim were defending themselves against the crazies (the crazies should have been locked out, guards should have been posted, and then the work should have been done), but that whole zoo atmosphere has got to go. NOW!

• CH

  to uhhuh, if thats the case then there is no difference between the Israelis and the palastinians.

• CH

  How dare anyone compare a holy holy holy dear shliach (the best type of person in the world) to a bunch of terrorist thugs????

  Crown Heights’ers get over your bias against shluchim and get rid of the taliban for once!

• berrol

  terrorist go back to the midel east

• inappropriate name-calling

  i dont think you should be calling jews no matter what they do pogromists or the names they were called. i think thats inappropriate and no matter what happens they are jews and although they may need physichiatric help they believe generally what every other chabadnik does.
  how they choose to show it is the issue and their idea of right and wrong and respect is a problem.

• To mr. laufer:

  The bottles of Mashke were from the SHLUCHIM’s farbrengen. The Tzfati thugs were sober… in fact the entire attack was planned earlier in the day, when they planned and stocked up on tomatoes etc. to throw at the shluchim…

  Don’t blame the Mashke, it was used in a civil chassidishe farbrengen. The thugs don’t need any substance to trigger their blood-thirsty actions.

• yossi

  How completely and uterly sad. I tried to post before but my post never got through….etc.

  My pont, I’ll keep it short.

  Everybody. Stop. Look at yourselves honstly, and look at the facts honestly. Shturem.net reoported (and nobody seems to mention this) that 150 tzvatim wrote a public letter to the hanhallo, that the violent bochurim should be immiately kicked out. Thats doing mare then anybody here did, other then spout theire hatred ideology, and extremest views.

  Wake up, and stop hating, because as long as you (you know who you are) continue to beleave in a exclusive ideology that eventually usses violence and hatred, becase WE are right, and YOU are wrong, and hurting the Rebbe, nothing will change.

  Extremism means, my way must prevail, no matter what the odds, since US, and only US are aware of the truth of what The Rebbe wants.

  This applies to both sides.

  So please stop politicising everything, and treat this as a case of violence and instigation on both sides, that must be delt with.

  Remember hatred only begets more hatred.

• Anonymous

  “For my people has committed two evils: They have forsaken Me, the Source of living waters, to dig for themselves cisterns, broken cisterns that cannot hold the water.” (Yeremiah 2:13)

  I.e. Israel’s actions involve a double indignity: the abandonment of Hashem Per se, and the choice of such an inferior substitute.

  What does the above have to do with what we are discussing?
  Many have asked:
  “Who in heavens name is backing these mishugoyim????”
  “Who bails them out???”

  Its one thing that we have community “leaders” that are not helping our community in any way. It’s another thing- a double indignity- which makes the first matter even worse. That is, that they go and spend there time and money to bail (and fund) these terrorist and any thing to cause more machlokes.

  One such person in Chanina Sperling.
  He not only does nothing for the benefit of our community, he finds all different ways to continue the Machlokes. He will go to all extremes to push his agenda.
  When an innocent person in our community runs in to trouble with the police, he is nowhere no be found, but every time there was an incident involving these guilty Thugs, he was right there with all his time and money to bail them out.
  He is one of the problems; we must get rid of him (together with is terrorist goons).
  Why he keeps getting elected, I don’t know.
  Why Aguch/Merkoz let him Daven in the Rebbes room, (especially when he is the cause to many of there problem, especially when it come to the issue on hand). I don’t know. (if they want to show an example, they should start with throwing him out).

  For example: In many cases with the CHVP Shomrim of our community (which give there blood-time and money- for our community, going out of there way to protect or help a Jew no matter what) were there was misunderstanding with the police, not only did he not help them; he did all he can to get them locket up.
  In many other cases he has Masered on people in our community.
  He has been making trouble since 27 Adar (bugging of the Rebbes room etc…), he’s been trucking since then, and he must be stopped.
  I hope that Aguch/Merkoz is smart enough to throw him to his friends, the Terrorist.
  If they don’t have the guts to do that, I doubt they will go throw with getting ride of the terrorist down stairs. They did not do it this past Shabbos, they have a chance next week.
  We, Anash must let aguch know that we don’t want Chanina there.

  Another name: Drizin; he is the one that’s supports the terrorists Taliban!
  He must stop giving them money or he is just as gulty as they are.
  There are many good orgonaztions that you can support.
  It is very important to stop them at there roots. We must all stop to support them in any way, by even giving a dollor to these people we are helping countinue the Chillol Hashem.

• Achdus

  Rabbi Akiva was the one who said that Loving your fellow Jew is the basis of the Torah, and yet, his 24,000 students all passed away because they didn’t respect each other, all for the sake of spreading Rabbi Akiva’s true message! Chassidim! – Wake up and start working towards the goal of Ahavas Yisroel and Achdus instead of thinking, saying, and doing things that cause more separation! The Rebbe wants to come back to us with the Geulah, but The Shchina rests where there is SHALOM and ALL THE REBBE WANTS IS THAT HIS DEAR CHILDREN SHOULD LOVE EACH OTHER!!! Our goal is Moshiach so let’s move in that direction!

• No Loshon Hara!

  NO LOSHON HARA SHOULD BE SAID FROM THE TIME YOU WAKE UP TILL THE TIME YOU GO TO BED… there are far better ways to help the situation than to post loshon hara on the internet for all to read!

• Crowley---the killer?

  On May 7, 1931, the most sensational manhunt New
  York City had ever known had come to it’s climex.
  After weeks of search, “Two Gun” Crowley—the killer,
  the gunman who didn’t smoke or drink—was at
  bay, trapped in his sweetheart’s apartment on West
  End Avenue.

  One hundred and fifty policemen and detectives laid
  siege to his top-floor hideaway. They chopped holes in
  the roof; they tried to smoke out Crowley, the “cop
  killer,” with tear gas. Then they mounted their machine
  guns on the surrounding buildings, and for more
  then an hour one New York’s fine residential areas
  reverberated with the crack of pistol fire and the rat-
  tat-tat of machine guns. Crowley, crouching behind an
  overstuffed chair, fired incessantly at the police. Ten
  thousand excited people watched the battle. Nothing
  like it had ever been seen before on the sidewalks of
  New York.

  When Crowley was captured, Police Commissioner
  E.P. Mulroney declared that the two-gun desperado
  was one of the most dangerous criminals ever encountered
  in the history of New York. “He will kill,“ said
  The Commissioner, ”at the drop of a feather.“

  But how did ”Two Gun“ Crowley regard himself?
  We know, because while the police were firing into his
  apartment, he wrote a letter addressed ”To whom it
  may concern.“ And, as he wrote, the blood flowing
  from his wounds left a crimson trail on the paper. In
  his letter Crowley said: ”Under my coat is a weary
  heart, but a kind one—-one that would do nobody any harm.“

  A short time before this, Crowley had been having a
  necking party with his girl friend on a country road out
  on Long Island. Suddenly a policeman walked up to
  the car and said: ”Let me see your license.

  Without saying a word, Crowley drew his gun and
  cut the policeman down with a shower of lead. As the
  dying officer fell, Crowley leaped out of the car,
  grabbed the officer’s revolver, and fired another bullet
  into the prostrate body. And that was the killer who said:
  “Under my coat is a weary heart, but a kind one–
  –one that would do nobody any harm.”

  [ Crowlet was sentenced to the electric chair. When
  he arrived at the death house in Sing Sing, did he say,
  “This is what I get for killing people”? NO, he said:
  “This is what I get for defending myself.”

  The point of the story is this: “Two Gun” Crowley
  Didn’t blame himself for anything.

  That is the usual attitude amongst criminals!!!]

• very upset

  to the person who wrote the 2nd comment-you guys come from isreal just to make trouble no one really needs you guys here so stop winning and do us all a favor and please go back to isreal. (afterall you wouldnt like us to come to isreal and start tunning over the place).

• to mordy

  thaler had nothing to do with anything that took place i thunk u should investigate before you bad mouth people

• ashamed of ch

  com on ppl celebrate diffrences ,what would the world be like if everyone was just like you

• Mottel

  Forgiven writes of Hartman’s hatred to a brother… reading the article all I can say is Hartman is a mentsch, if it were me I’d be much more vocal! Kol Hakavod to him for NOT cursing them out etc… and refuiah shelimah

• THE TERRORIST

  BEN, you’ve posted some sick, perverted stuff on this site, and by doing so, you’re agreeing with it. The comments are full of hate, cynicism and closed-mindedness. I had hoped to forgive Shomrim, and keep them out of politics, but you’ve blackened all their names. Maybe screen all these posts past Yanky etc, before you put them up! You don’t deserve this privelege if you are so disgusting and abuse it. Post the refuah shleimahs but KEEP THE HATRED OUT OF IT! By writing this, I’m labeling myself a ‘terrorist’, but our acts of terrorism are better than your ‘peacemaking’. Oh, and fighting hatred shouldn’t have be called terrorism.

• me

  to veryupset:
  That comment was so obviously complete sarcasm and an attempt to inject levity into a serious matter. The way it was written was actually amusing. Read it over again and you will see.

• why?

  Dear Shmuel Y.:
  first of all, who do you think you are, trying to make this whole incident ok??!?!?!?!? it is a disgusting thing to do and if you were part of it mishichist or not you should say sorry instead of making up stupid excuses!!!!! and you want to “REPAY” this shliach by what? eating his food for free and sleeping in his house????i dont think so!!!!!!! by the way the definition of terroritst is a person who takes dramatic action in a bad way in order to prove a point ….. sound familiar?????? and the act that was commited is unjustifyable!!!!!peace!

• love your fellow jew

  Shnuel Y. may be joking but if he is not i agree with him entirly. we are all fellow jews, is it not so wrong to single some people out?? what happened to love your fellow jew??? are we entering a new centry where we don’t have to be kind and love our fellow jew???? is there something i should know about in this new centry??? think about what you just read and actually think about it is that how you would want to be treated??
  P.S refuah shlama

• Shomrim Fan

  THE TERRORIST wrote:
  “I had hoped to forgive Shomrim, and keep them out of politics, but you’ve blackened all their names”

  What does Shomrim have to do with any of this?

  Shomrim does great things and they don’t ask anything in return (from the community). They help countless people every day. Must of all they don’t owe any body anything.
  Thank g-d for Shomrim, at least we have some light in this great darkness.
  They are there when we need them 24/7.

  We love you shomrim.
  Again I ask you, how did they come up in this discusion?

• to uhhuh

  I’m sorry to inform you, but the Rebbe’s poroiches was removed a long time ago by the terrorists and replaced with the “Yechi” one.
  Anyway it takes mental deficiency to compare a controversial object (the poroiches) to a human being.

• still....

  to why with all the ?????!!!!!?!?!?!?!s:

  really, if you don’t get the joke in the first paragraph, then you must by the end. no one could be more sarcastic. So take a breath, try to relax, and chiiill. (oh yeah- !!!!!!!!!)

• concerned

  these “bachurim” show us the following:

  they don’t know the Rebbe’s sichos and inyonim, because the Rebbe would not want this.
  they do not know Torah or don’t care about it if they can do this.
  they are unstable because IF they really love HaShem/Rebbe/Torah, then they would love all the shluchim and learn as someone above said “agree to disagree”.
  To those bachurim:
  put away your play toys, because what you’re doing is going to be alot hotter than toys. You’re messing with the Rebbe, and this is not a simple issue.
  Get help for yourselves, you are on a path that might give you a real wild ride.

• concerned (again)

  by the way, remember the meiser about the court case and the spaleh zeideh?
  well I hope that these bachurim who did this sick and disturbed thing in 770 understand that what they do can CHAS VE SHALOM come down on Yidden. CHAS VE SHALOM. how insane is that for yidden to do that to unzer? how do they think that this is ok. ?????? How could they do this to the Rebbe? If they think they aren’t doing it to the Rebbe, then they just don’t have any connection to the Rebbe…….

• ISchier

  to uhhuh – thanks for the info regarding the paroches – it is also what I thought but I wasn’t sure till you confirmed it.

  to anyone who is defending and/or condoning and/or preaching Xian style brotherly love regarding these mishegoyim, all I have to say is -“Break A Leg!”

• ISchier

  Oh, and Shmuel is clearly joking around and doing a great job of it! Yasher koiach, Shmuel. You should get the honor of escorting the Talibaners to their new abode in J-building of Kings County Hospital, though I would much prefer Creedmoor as these nuts don’t belong within 5 miles of 770, even under lock and key!

• i will never leave 770

  It is a terrible mistake and misconception that many make today. Some are ignorantly or foolishy under the impression that what we have here is the ‘classic’ dispute of ‘yechi’ or moshiach or not. That conversation has been out aside and some sence of achdus has been established. Today we are dealing with a small group of people who do not in any way shape or form represent authentic Judaism, chassidism’ chabad or the Rebbe.
  They are, and make no mistake A Dangerous cult. Let’s call a spade a spade

• Moiser

  Before anyone would like to report people to police & goverment, i’d like to note that our Torah has the most severe words for that.
  “it is a mitzvah to destroy (kill) them”, so says the Rambam of someone who feels free to hand over other Yidden (or their monies!) to goyim.
  You can not justify this great sin with the others misconduct.
  so before you say anything in this direction, please consult some UNBIASED Rabbis, for they are allowed to decide in this matter, not you! Better yet, you might want to consult the Rebbes torah before you say anything, i dont think you will find Him agreeing to most of your opinions.
  p.s.
  Of course, all of the above is relevent only to Torah-abiding Jews, the others, well…

• a shliach

  I agree with uhhuh. We are all of the Rebbes shulchim, and we had to fight, and in 770? what is this. What will our baal batim say??? This looks poorly on Lubavitch. Think of what the snags are saying. We always look at their problems. Now the pot is turned they are looking at a big chilul Hashem not to mention Lubavitch.

• an embaressed bylooker

  why are we calling our fellow Yid a terrorist.This reflects poorly on us. and still………….. GROW UP!!! not to mention get a life!

• OIST CALIF STUDENT

  IS THIS THE SAME THALER FROM CALIFORNIA ??

• bn

  my goodness get over it!!! the amount of unecessary loshon hara in crazy. lubavitchers do you think that will fix the situation!! stop adding up posts on this story please

• Genug already!

  Re: Terrorist Squatters

  So it is tax-deductible? ;) I just knew there had to be a REASONABLE explanation…….

• Anonymous

  to bn:

  do you think by not alking about it, it will go away.
  The problem is thatwe have been silence for to long. Infact we have to make sure this story does not go back to sleep (untill we take care of the problem.) must we wait till it happens again?

• ME

  TO TERORIST:
  U NEED SOME SERIOUS HELP!!! IF URE GONNA BLAME BEN AND SHOMRIM…WHAT IS WRONG WT U ???SHOMRIM DOES A GR8 JOB.. AND BEN KEEPS US POSTED…I HATE TO BREAK THIS TO U …BUT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO KNOW ABOUT THESE CRAZY PPL OUT THERE…. GET IT?!??!?! SO GET URESELF A LIFE..AND DONT BLAME THE GOOD PEOPLE HERE!!!!!!!!!

• oy

  All i have to say is OY VAY

• Bgg

  “They are, and make no mistake A Dangerous cult. Let’s call a spade a spade”

  Thank you so much,
  And until those apologist to this strange NON JEWISH, CULT, understand, then there is no hope.

  It took many hundreds of years to realize and to ban the Xtians from the Jewish society, hopefully with modern day equipment (Phone Net etc.) 0 it will take much fewer years, Vedal

• sheichen hashchunah

  Mr. Shliach, please cool down and think before you answer; Under what circumstances are we exempt from conducting ourselves without mei’ach sholit al halev?
  m.f. It seems that by the time you reached the bottom of the page your mind mistakenly attributed another’s comment to me.
  No where do I suggest that outrage and swift action is not called for. In fact, using the term hooligan instead of other epithets, e.g., meshichist, tzfasnik, taliban etc., (and I’ll admit that at times I too lapse into using such terms) is already a step in the right direction. My comment was merely a cautionary note against conducting ourselves (b’mochshova, ma’aseh v’dibbur) in a counterproductive fashion, i.e., bringing disrepute upon the name of Lubavitch or worse, of which the headline was just such an example.

  ISchier: When you chose the headline you made it yours. Just because someone holds out a hat there is no reason for you to don it.

  This entire situation is analogous to a family in turmoil and similarly, an honest, direct and disciplined approach is not only necessary but in fact, the only viable approach. Following this theme, a’hava must also be a component in devising a solution which to aroused but cool minds poses no contradictions. On the contrary it is the kloll gadol that should inform everything we do when working with another albeit misguided Jew.

• Not A Terrorist

  Okay. So, depsite his violent action, you don’t want to call it terrorism. You’re right. He’s not a TERRORIST.
  He’s a CRIMINAL !!!

• Satmar ban

  Well well. Many years ago, we
  banned Satmar products because
  of their violence. Maybe we
  should re-appraise the situation
  and permit its use again.

• YM

  To Mordy:
  a little advice: dont mention someones name in public- especially if you are falsly accusing them… its a shame for you to be responsible for spreading a lie.

• the zoo

  the building in which they call 770 is 788 & it is a zoo

• Milhouse

  “Forgiven” sounds like a Christian. And I don’t mean a Meshichist, I mean the real deal, a good old fashioned turn-the-other-cheek, Father-forgive-them, washed-in-the-blood-of-the-lamb Christer. Wonder what he’s doing on this site.

  As for “Moiser”, try learning the appropriate siman in Shulchan Aruch instead of repeating what you heard in fifth grade.

• TERRORIST

  You’re all right and I’m very sorry. SUE ME!

• Anonymous

  “thaler had nothing to do with anything that took place i thunk u should investigate before you bad mouth people”

  And if I can show you a video that he was and in fact threatening someone that he will kill him.

  What will you say then?

• some body

  if your going to say yichee than do what the Rebe said he wanted the
  most
  ahavas
  yisroel more then anything

• not understood

  to gbb
  what r u talking about!!??
  uhh is really correct and if u think about it ull realise it urself
  lets say the tzvatim are put in jail
  now what have u accomplished
  the other tzevatim will get even angryer
  no matter what u do someone wont be happy so try to listen to what uhh is sayying
  learn to agree
  to live without benches being thrown

• go cali!

  ROCK ON MORDY!!!!!!!! GO CALIFORNIA…..is he legal?????

• Practical Idea

  I think i might have a practical idea…

  These guys respect Rabbi Wilshansky (tzfat) and as far as i know he’s somewhat levelheaded – wouldnt condone chair/table/tomato throwing. Why dont they bring him here
  a) to talk to the bochurim
  b) to see whats coming from his yeshiva..so it might occur to him to change things back home!

• funnny as hell

  dear Ym…and oist calif student and the otha one….. cant u take a joke???????????? thaler….. haha!!!!!

• mendy770

  be careful, they’re everywhere, and they’re violent
  p.s. maybe they can give lessons on weight lifting and frisbee throwing, how about vocal lessons. That eight swing is just amazing!

• to sheichen hashchunah

  “This entire situation is analogous to a family in turmoil and similarly”
  No it’s not!

  In the broader sense, achdus applies to all Yidden. However, there is an intensified form of achdus/Ahavas Yiroel that is afforded to fellow Chasidim, “aigeneh”.

  Mishichisten are NOT “fellow Chasidim,” “Aigeneh,” etc… They are a foreign fremdeh group. We aren’t woven from the same cloth.

  Placing a box at the Rebbe’s bima for tzetlach. Making a mockery of Farbrengen with the Rebbe on Shabbos , worshiping signs and slogans, singing a foreign tune as an anthem, are only a few of their many fremdeh customs.

  They aren’t misguided Lubavitcher. They are a foreign group who has no connection to us, NONE! They are to us what Jews for Jushkeh R”L is to Judaism. They use our minhagim, our dress, and many things that Lubavitcher do. But, they have zero connection to us. Zay zenen fune an ander taig ge’knuten.

  Ask yourself. If a group from Lakewood or Williamsburg came into 770 and caused havoc, would you embrace them with brotherly love? Would you treat them as “aigeneh”? If a group from Porat Yossef came into 770 and took over. Would you say “this is an internal thing, brider?”

• Anonymous

  To Practical Idea:

  Do you think they will listen to him, Those that know him, know that he realizes that he made a big mistake. But guess what? Their is no going back for him. Once he goes agents them he will become a Kofer Himself.
  Also, don’t forget that must of there brain washing (chinuch) was/is that there is no authority (Aguch/mekaz/Rebbe), once he talks agents them he will be considered another authority that they must fight agents. In essence going agents the authority (Aguch/mekaz/Rebbe), is how the “mishichist” movement began in the first place. All the commentary (the so called sichos and Yechi i.e Holy war) was just to give the machlokes a “spiritual” side, but that’s just an excuse.

• something dif 2 say

  i just waned to make s/t clear.
  most of the articles ( this and the prev ones) are very much biased and racist
  there r 2 sides to every story who sed the shluchim r so patur?? on the other hand the bochurim ( note that i dont use any racial slurs)may not either b innocent!
  many ppl are putting mishichist and the bochurim in one category.,this is not true since there r a lot of mishichist who dont support the tzfatim.
  the incident by hakafos w/ the bima, i will just let u know was between the tzfatim and mishichist! yes, believe it or not. and rabbi schwei whom alot of u r againts was actually againts the tzfatim!!!!!!!!!
  in reply to waht some commenters sed. YES the bochurim DO KNOW waht the sichos say. i tend 2 think its the antis (excuse the expression but thats what u call urselves)that dont.
  HERES A FACT
  the rebbe was accepted as moshiach by e/1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its just now that after gimmul tammuz ppl dont understand how it can b possible. they dont have the answere to waht the mekuravim or they themselves have. so they choose “the easy way”out & dont believe!
  i could go on but my point is DONT POINT FINGERS u dont know who right/wrong. mab e/1 is right cuz there doing waht they think is the right approach!
  ill end but will b back to read other comments
  ps sorry for the long letter
  pss PLEASE USE PONCTUATION IN YOUR COMMENTS! sometimes i cant make head nor tails of what ut trying 2 say!
  psss i tried going on shtrem.com but it didnt work. can ne1 offer some advice?
  pssss NO MORE MEAN TERM/RACIAL SLURS/LASHON HARA ect

• psychologist

  To practical idea-
  My brother was in tzfat the last few years and more than once took on ur brilliant suggestion of speaking to rabbi Wilshanski,
  All he does is get defensive and nothing gets done. As for his crazy bachurim- they say themselves that rabbi w hinself told them they should publisize yechi “ad Mesiras nefesh’ they should go on mesiras nefesh for this and i guess they interperet that as bench throwing and egg throwing. What insane people. i really think they need a phycologist sitting down and patiently explaining them what happened on gimmel tamuz ’94 and that they have to start facing reality

• MOSHIACH NOW!!!!

  how could one jew be so mean to another??? i feel bad for rabbi hart-man be he is smart not to press charges. let me say this loud and clearTHESE PEOPLE ARE YOUR FELLOW JEWS!!! i know that may be shocking i mean i never knew that duh. HELLO !!! people wake up if some people want to be yechi let them if they want to be anti let them. me myself i am not anti and i am not yechi i have NO problem with either. i’ll say it one more time for the lady in the green hair who did not hear me the first time, THESE PEOPLE ARE YOUR FELLOW JEWS. i know it may be a shocking surpise but live with it. MOSHIACH NOW!!!!!!

• Anonymous

  Something dif 2 say wrote:
  “There r 2 sides to every story who said the shluchim r so patur??”

  First of all, were you there?
  The story happened and it happened one way. The question is if you’re smart enough to figure it out. But ill give you a little hint (which actually comes from the second part of your statement).
  This has been written before, but it’s seems that you did not read the other comments (and you are stam hacking a Jaynek), or your to bias to face the truth. The fact is that there was 2000 Shiluchim/Chassidim/Chabadnikim in 770 that Sunday night. On the mishichist/ Terrorists side there were 30-40 Thugs. Common sense, that if the 2000 people wanted to get rid of the 20-30 people they could have done so- no problem, Common sense that the 20-30 people would ALL be either dead or injured, We all know that more were injured from the Shiluchim. (How good is it to be a Chossid). Common sense that if we came to take over (and take down signs-that don’t belong there in the first place) we could have done it in a blink of an eye. Don’t you think!???!

  “Many ppl are putting mishichist and the bochurim in one category.,this is not true since there r a lot of mishichist who dont support the tzfatim.”

  Why, b/c right know they are not making you look good. All these years they were o.k. (in fact by posting now, you are in some way trying to defend them- of course you are dressing up in a non-bias way). You are all one and the same. (ive written before please go back and read all the post).

  “HERES A FACT
  The rebbe was accepted as moshiach by e/1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its just now that after gimmul tammuz ppl dont understand how it can b possible.”

  Your right, now that the whole world – including all Jews in Boro Park, Monsey, Yerushalayim, Miami Beach, etc. – has already accepted the yoke of the Rebbe’s sovereignty as King Moshiach! The only problem is, they say, that “a few Lubavitchers” a.k.a Anti’s are unaware of this, and they are not allowing the Rebbe be revealed!
  “in reply to waht some commenters sed. YES the bochurim DO KNOW waht the sichos say. i tend 2 think its the antis (excuse the expression but thats what u call urselves)that dont.”

  Please be more specific. I challenge you to the above. What a lie. (You can click my name “Anti” it will take you to my e-mail; I would like a sit down, only one at a time). Fact, The Mishichistim Distort the Rebbe’s Sichos.(Those sichos they may know inside out). Mishichistim Choose Certain Sichos and Reject the Rest .

  “I could go on but my point is DONT POINT FINGERS u don’t know who right/wrong. mab e/1 is right cuz there doing what they think is the right approach!”

  So go learn, and you will know the right think to do. The Rebbe did not leave use with doubts (again, ive written this before) A good teacher makes sure he’s understood (by every one). A Jew must know the different between right and wrong. You can’t think you’re on the right approach, you must know %100.

  (By the way its http://www.shturem.net/)

• re: to reality check

  I just wanted to comment that I am very impressed by the person that took the words of the Shliach from London to heart, and turned it into something positive by creating peace in his surroundings. May we all learn from his positive actions

• sheichen hashchunah

  As much as one might like to distance himself from them they nevertheless remains ours. We produced them and all of us share culpability to varying degrees (even if it is only a matter of omission) and our ability to affect a change determines the degree of our responsibility.

• From one Yid to another....

  During times of adversity the question is who will stand strong in their ahavas yisroel? You think the yetzer hora isn’t loving all this hatred? If we truly sit back and accept that everything is the will of Hashem, then perhaps it is our duty to accept this despite the atrociousness of the situation. We are all individuals. We don’t think exactly alike, we don’t act exactly alike, and we sure don’t follow the same exact path of spiritual service as our fellow brothers and sisters. But we do have one unifying goal. To bring Moshiach. Whether the Rebbe is Moshiach or not, doesn’t matter. The point is Moshiach isn’t here (yet, G-d willing very soon!), assigning a face or a name to Moshiach doesn’t change that fact. Clearly, there is so much to work on, not only on ourselves but to learn from and help our fellow Jew in every possible way. As Ben Zoma asked, “Who is wise? He who learns from everyone.” (Pirke Avot 4:1)
  We are now in the chodesh of Kislev. The month filled with miracles and light. A time to dispell the darkness. The Rebbe spoke about our duty to first light up our homes, giving us the strength and the foundation we need to bring this light out into the darkness. There are so many Yidden walking around lost in a spiritual darkness that if we have the ability to help bring them a little bit closer to the light, then we are one step closer to achieving our goal. K’ish echad, b’lev echad, one man, one heart. Together we stand, divided we fall. May we all find the chizuk we need to continue to spread the light.

• upset visitor

  I submitted a comment with a very valid point. I suggested that all this Meshugass would stop if people would accept that the Lubavitcher Rebbe Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, the 7th rebbe of Chabad Lubavitch passed on. And Chabad Lubavitch needs a new rebbe, an 8th rebbe. I don’t understand why you choose not to post my original comment. I don’t think it violates any laws of etiquette to hold this opinion. If you don’t post my original comment it just means that you are as crazy, totalitarian and closed minded as those guys who attacked the shlichim.

• to sheichen hashchunah

  If you mean passivity, than I agree they are everyone’s fault.
  But this is not a case of Chassidim who disagree, they are not even Chassidim who we disagree with bitterly, they are outsiders who invaded.
  Lubavitchers have had many fights, unfortunately, there have even been random but rare cases of violence but never an all out brawl and as an eye witness to the event it wasn’t everyone being violent it was mostly the Taliban and very few people even hit back in self defense.
  So yo tell me at what point do we say they are not Lubavitchers anymore?
  Never?
  If they said we are both Chassidim but we disagree on whether we have to listen to the Rebbe or not would that make sense?
  Are Malochim fellow Lubavitchers who disagree?
  Are Jews for Yoshke just another Jewish sect who we disagree with?

• to Upset visitor

  Your concerns are quite understandable — From a non-lubavitch point of view. You see, in Chabad the Rebbe is more than a leader, boss, rabbi, mentor etc. The Rebbe is a father — can one g-d forbid get a new father after one’s father passes on G-d forbid?

  As with a father leaving orphans there is always tragedy — its a broken family. Just in our case not only did we become a broken family, we were exploited by these “asufsuf” or “Erev- Rav” who came along later making everything even worse…

  May Hashem have mercy on us

• to Upset visitor wrote:

  Your comment may have been posted with the best intention but to suggest choosing a new Rebbe is an oxymoron to anyone who has spent time learning the Rebbe’s Torah.

  Besides for the ideological perspective mentioned above, even from a pragmatic perspective it could never work. Your suggestion is analogues to suggesting that someone from Crown Heights or the prime minister of Israel should become prime minister in Iraq because they can’t seem to work things out there. If you think there’s violence now just wait and see what would happen if this occurs……

• Shimon

  In the Jewish world at large, Yechi-Sayers are understood to be delusional, ignorant, immature, and even outside Judaism. “Non-Mishikhisten” who use the Rebbe’s sichos to argue their points, are also considered imbeciles that lack the ability to think critically. The Rebbe’s sichos have NO BEARING on whether he’s Moshiach or not. The Rebbe could have told us explicitly, “I am Moshiach,” (which of course he didn’t) and it would still mean nothing. Had he said that he would have been WRONG. The Rebbe has PASSED AWAY. (This might come as news to some people, but it has happened. I was at his funeral.) Once people die they don’t come back. Four-thousand bewhiskered Shluchim posing on Eastern Parkway might be good PR for the choir, but as we can plainly see, something rotten is festering. It’s time to put our Chasidus to use. The only reason not to admit that the Moshiach campaign was horribly ill-conceived is our Yeshus. To err is human. If not our Rebbe, we certaibly are human. We must apologize to the Jewish world for this blasphemy that was born out of our distress, at our collective lowest point, and sincerely call it off. No pretending. No believing one thing and saying another publicly. Let’s just drop it. No one’s buying it anyway.

• TAKE MY WORDS INTO HEART

  Okkkk
  reality check!!!! I am so flippen apauled by all of this! Why cant you just open up all of your eyes and see reality before reality slaps you in the face like it just did. First of all this is exactly why the second beis hamikdosh was destroyed. At the end what you dont realize is, is that we are all Jewish each and everone one of us. We were all in mitzrayyim together. And yechi or not yechi we are all equal! a jew that learns for 15 hours a day is not more of a jew than a guy thats not shomer shabbos or has a beard. That is nothing! and thats what people are blind to these days! why dont you think moshiach is not here anymore? It doesnt matter what people believe in, you should be happy for them because at least they believe in something, and you should be ashamed of yourselves for not believeing that each and everyone is equal! I REST MY CASE TAKE CARE AND ONE AGAIN TAKE OF YOUR SELVES AND TREAT PEOPLE THE WAY YOU WANT TO BE TREATED!

• Anonymous

  http://www.shturem.net/inde…

• ELI

  i think the biggest problem is that each person is thinking of themselves.no one really cares about the shaliachs broken foot. all we care about is if im a mishicst or if im a anti. i never understood this.if one believes in something let him believe in it be a anti, be a mishichist, it doesnt matter bc we are all one big brotherly family. every tomato box has some rotten tomatoes in it, so u just take care of the rotten ones, but why get the whole box invoved. THERE IS NO EXSCUSE FOR LASHON HARA. AND THERE IS NO EXSCUSE FOR THESE NAMES=ANTI, MISHICHIST.who made these names.it causes so much hatred. im in high school and even in my little class the big discussion and clicks is are you mishicist or anti? it causes so much hate, why cant the main dicussion be how can we bring moshiach, how can we make our rebbe proud?
  the only way to do this is by eliminating these names(anti, mishichist)we must stick together to make our rebbe proud. and when incidents like this happens the best thing to do is to take care of it w/o getting evryone invoved.if you must rebuke someone and you want him to listen is quetly. its not up to any of us simple lubavitchers to decide what has to be done. this should be handed to greater rabbis to decide what to do.its not up to us to decide or judge, bc as we see nothing comes out of it.except of more hatred and more seperation which wont get us anywhere.
  BOTTOM LINE: WE ARE ONE BIG FAMILY

• Yachiel

  This was a black moment in Judaism and Chabad. I feel sorry for the lot of you with a few exceptions for those trying to bring the temperature of the whole situation down. Don’t both of you realize that the entire world watches Jews and waits for us to make a mistake then uses this to perpetrate anti-Semitic remarks. Lets elevate things and BH something like this will never happen again…Surely this will not help bring the Mashiac.