Tamir: “I have total confidence in R. Braun’s Integrity”
Zaki Tamir, chairman of the Vaad Hakohol, posted a lengthy post on his personal blog clarifying his personal stance on the matter of the Ikkul issued by the Krauss Beis Din, and declared his confidence in Rabbi Yosef Braun.
This letter by Tamir is apparently written in response to the firestorm which was set off by our Friday article exposing the dirty stunt pulled by Menchem Shagalow – a Braun supporter, an incident which Tamir refused to comment on.
The following is a statement posted by Tamir on his blog:
A few days after the ikul was issued, I was in communication with Rabbi Rosenberg, and we discussed a conversation he had with Rabbi Krauss (who issued the ikul).
In a conversation between Rabbi Rosenberg and Rabbi Krauss, Rabbi Rosenberg informed Rabbi Krauss that even before the ikul was issued:
1. The hachtarah had already taken place
2. Rabbi Braun’s contract had already been signed by the majority of the vaad members, and was apparently in full effect
3. That the shtar birurin of the zablo din torah had been signed on by all of the elected bodies of the kohol (the Vaad Hakohol, the Rabbonim, Gabboim, etc.)
4. The elections had taken place in a very public manner, under the guidance of the zablo, and that a large majority of the kohol had participatedThese crucial details may have not been disclosed to Rabbi Krauss by the plaintiffs at the time the ikul was issued.
Furthermore, Rabbi Rosenberg challenged the ikul by questioning how any group dissatisfied with the psak din could have the right to run to another beis din to overturn that psak. If so, any group claiming to represent the Crown Heights community could always go to an outside beis din, and there would be no end to the conflict.
Rabbi Krauss conceded to Rabbi Rosenberg, stating that if the plaintiffs could not demonstrate that they could act in a way that would bind the entire community, then he would retract the ikul (Rabbi Rosenberg told me that he believes that the plaintiffs cannot demonstrate this).
It is very important to note that the ikul stated that a hearing date would be announced “within the coming days.” Since the ikul was issued, nearly six weeks ago, the Vaad Hakohol has received absolutely no communication from the Beis Din of Rabbi Krauss. We were never informed who the plaintiffs were, the reason the ikul was issued, or received any hazmonah. In fact, the ikul itself was not appropriately served to the Vaad Hakohol, but instead a copy was faxed to the Vaad Hakashrus office.
I have made numerous attempts to reach Rabbi Krauss. My calls have never been returned. I managed to reach him for a brief moment a few days ago. He told me to call him in the evening. Since then, he has not taken my calls. I hope that Rabbi Krauss will retract the ikul, in order that (as Rabbi Rosenberg said) there will not be “war” between batei din.
Until then, the Vaad Hakohol will continue to act as responsibly as we can to resolve this issue. It’s unfortunate that the lack of a functional Beis Din is what forces the Vaad Hakohol to have to bear the full burden of these decisions.
Finally, the Vaad Hakohol has spent much time, effort and money to ensure that the Din Torah and elections could take place correctly. The community came out in force to vote for Rabbi Braun, and we honor and respect that decision. I, personally, have total confidence in Rabbi Braun’s integrity, talent and his ability to fulfill his position of Rov in a manner that will honor the Rebbe’s schunah.
Be blessed,
someone
when he’ll be mesader kidushin at your son’s chasuna with a shikzeh, you’ll be eating your guts from regret and embarassement… wait and see
Jeff
If you don’t listen to the ikul anyway what is purpose us ther for rabbi Krause to remove it?
Stop your double speak
Laibel
So did u get the ikul or not? Who cares how you got it? As long as you have as you admit right here. In adtion as long as you don’t have a writen psak from a rov then you need to listen to the ikul. Who cares what you claim Rosenberg said to you.
Let him put it on paper. The guy is a lying fat chazer
oh well
Tamir just lost any credibility that he may have had left.
Yaakov Richman unafraid
What a needless firestorm of conroversy!…after attending Tomchei Tommimim Yeshiva, I had lived in Crown Heights for the previous 8 years and reflectively it was a daily effort to stand clear of the constant mishagos and machlokes generated by apparently “small minded” Chasidim. My anticipation was that the Yidden that I was hoping,(and praying), to be guided by, should demonstrate the living example for how a Baal T’chuvah was supposed to behave. Instead, what I observed, (thank G-d from a distance), was a petty and hypercritical display of invective and class distinction/warfare that was hard to reconcile given my expectations that Lubavitcher’s embodied the finest principles and mirrored the shining light example of the Rebbe as Nasi Ha’dor. So I eventually found my “people” so to speak, who were above the mud slinging and loshon hara, and I made my way carefully avoiding the troublemakers. Now, I live in Sydney Australia and have a blessed life with family and loving new friends. I have since gotten to know Rav Braun and have found him to be a brilliant scholar with a kind heart and boundless wisdom, who has only the desire to serve, and to fulfill the Rebbe’s will. The community of Crown Heights is blessed to have such a man, and this senseless hatred and blind rush to judgement is detestable at best. Each one of us should re-examine our original purpose in how we respond to the Rebbe’s directives and his living example of how to behave; even when immersed in tremendously challenging situations. In this difficult world of Golus, we should strive to re-embody this elevated position where we collectively express love and unity without restraint, and control our base instincts to foment dissent and increase strife. We are much better than this and personally my prayers are continuously offered for a “human revolution” within Crown Heights, culminating in a community embodying brotherhood. In order that we may be seen as the future of society, and not, G-d forbid, a laughingstock for the goyim and the apikoros to be amused by. Lets all take a giant step away from this “gang” behavior and reaffirm who we really are. Baruch Hashem
How dare you!!
I hope the first joint move of the beis din is to stop allowing comments on this web site! How do you allow such comments like #1 and #3 on??? Where is it heard of to call a rov, (even if you don’t agree with him, a Chazer. And then to be stupid or hateful enough to allow it to be printed. Then to curse someone’s daughter that she will marry out r”l… what is wrong with you people). If you are not a coward you will allow this to be posted.
Att: #6
They are not calling a Rov that, they are calling Braun that – and the point being on their part is that he is not an elected rov.
You may not realize, but any ruling by the beis din will be deferrable as meaningless due to an Ikul against Braun’s position (and Zaki’s acceptance or lack thereof should be meaningless to anyone concerned about the lying and cheating that went on).
mendelbaum.
WHAT A CIRCUS. Shagalav ripped his smicha. whats was shagalav doing there? braun asked him to attend to rip his “smicha” my respect for this “RAV” or his party didint begin. How can it?
Our shechuna needs a authentic repectable RAV someone with real yiras shmayim. Yiras shmayim is not by dress or radical frum but a real authentic person.
Send Zaki-kaki Tamir to monsey-rosenberg
Mr Zaki Isaac B. Tamir
is a low life in the worst way.
HE gut an IKUL and BEFARHESIA in Public dissobey the Holy TORAH. this kind of person has no place amongst Jews.
more over on this friday night after davening to see the fraud Broin schmoozing with the 2 brothers yankel and shmuel shpritzer was an eye opening.
from the 3000 families of Crwon Heights WHO is this fraud associated with 2 Gazlonim and MOSSRIM.
and as the REBBE SAID IN PUBLIC if a rabbi wants to give a psak it should be in writting and everything this ZAKI said is a lie just a stright lie.
i just spoke to Rosenberg on the phone and he confirmed to me that his instruction to the vaad of crown heights was to OBEY the IKUL.
but the CHAZER Freser sam Mamzer Chanin is the ruller now.
what a shame. to bring to Crown Heights a CHOYTE UMACHTI this mechalel shabbos boiel shiksos is the face of zaki and broin and not ch”v crown Heights.
for a close
as i see the pictures of Broin Schwei sitting together i am reminded of the gemorah that said that 2 could be a BAIS DID and the gemorah Names a BIS DIN of 2 BAIS DIN CHOTSUF
this 2 chatsufim will not lead Crown Heights and not even Benyes Mames einikel.
WHAT ??
I THOUGHT THAT TAMIR CLOSED IS BLOG. WHATS GOING ON HERE ???
Rabbi Osdoba?
Why is there no mention of Rabbi Osdoba’s objections? Why is Rabbi Osdoba not mentioned at all in all of this?
Av Beis Din deMecharcherei Riv
While I do not think Mr. Braun would ever do a chuppah with a shiksa, one look at Zaki and you can see that it is not a curse, but rather a sad and accurate prediction, that one of his children will R”L marry out.
CH needs a total reorganization. Otherwise, it will become irrelevant as the real work is being done in the world of shlichus. CH was to be a beacon for the world; instead it is fast becoming an open sewer that is in need of about three hundred tankers of chlorine for disinfection.
Meanwhile, kids are going off, tznius is at a lower than Modern Orthodox level – and the real immature kids are ripping up smicha certificates.
The new Vaad haKohol offices belong in the now vacant G building, and that is where Braun and Schwei can have their Beis Din d’Mecharcherei Riv along with Mendel Hendel the gangster. And of course Zaki can be the guard.
For their Rebbe I nominate the Lasagner Rebbe who is related to Zaki by marriage anyway. Charlie Buttons is way too decent and fun to play around in their cesspool.
MaDDinBklyn
I have zero confidence in zaki tamir integrity, not even an hour passed after I voted for tamir and he was hanging out with the notorious mosser and Jew suer paul huebner ym’s, when called out on it, tamir who sat in court (in support?) of the Shomrim six, looked sheepish and shrugged his shoulders, as in, what can I do? he is weak, immediately sided with the mossrim,theives who have been raping CH blind for years, and even worse not even a few days in office he already joined in CHJCC fraud. now hes crying and worried. heres why…..CHLEAKS.COM
In da know
ZAKI, please explain:
1) The hazmana leDin, signed by people in the community, was received by Braun (and no-one else.)
2) Mit amol, the people who signed were being harassed. So who knew. who told, and are you a yold? You knew of the harassment (come on you ain’t that dumb) or at least you knew who knew who signed. (Read it twice before you continue.)
3) Everyone and his dog knew that Rabbi Kraus was leaving for an extended stay in Israel, and issued the hazmana and ikkul right before he left. So he didn’t answer your calls? Is this some kind of Obama trick or Clinton slick or maybe Pelosi shtick? To make you look good and Kraus bad?
3) We, the one’s who are not as dumb as you think, know that the Rosenberg-Kraus conversation went the other way (also, perhaps) and that Kraus was enlisted to look into issues that were previously (before Rosenbergs Grand Finale) NOT KNOWN.
4) You also know (or are you takeh deaf on one ear?) that one of those issues is a very serious (and legal) issue which gave Rosenberg a lot of pressure to seriously wonder.
5) It is obvious (to the not so casual observer) that you gave a date (if only relative) to when you spoke to Rosenberg, so that if/when Rosenberg comes clean in public, and says what he said in private (to Kraus and to others) then your alibi will be “Oh’ that must have been after he spoke to me” (which was very early in the game. It begins to look like Obama might be your student and not the other way around).
6) Just one request (part of my outreach-mivtzoim): Don’t go out to lunch with your exec-director.
To #6
This is the ONLY site that is BALANCED and informs in publishing articles AND comments BOTH sides of the story – the good, bad and ugly. To supress expression is to deny freedom of opinion, and when opinion is denied the truth is hijacked. Crown Heights Info – keep on shining the light of truth and balance on important issues!
As to comment #6 – if a comment offends you, don’t read it! Stick your head in the sand and pretend it does not exist. That may make you blissfully happy while remaining ignorant.
I as most people want to be informed of all sides of an issue!
ha ha
zakie us doing a good job olying the game. keep it up. he knows to well whats coming up. its all a ploy
antimesira
Where could I sign the Ikul?
I think that whomever wants to sign the Ikul and be part of the Din Torah should be allowed, if this was to happen you will have over 1000 signatures (even from those who initially voted for Braun under false pretends).
chleaks.com
Stop the Corruption Stop the Fraud!
The Crown Heights Jewish Community Council Inc. Received $6,473,482 (almost 7 million dollars),
from the Weatherization program (WAP), where and how was this money spent?
Find out more on:
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get him outta here FAST
I’m glad Tamir believes in Braun’s integrity.
Because we don’t. Anyone who lies about Semicha has no integrity.
Did you all know that the poor bachurim who got “semicha” from this fraud have to be re-tested and get REAL Semicha from a reputable source? Because you can’t pass on semicha if you don’t have it in the first place.
antimesira
The Hypocrisy!!!
Information withheld?
If anybody withheld information it was the mishichist mossrim on their main man Braun.
IComplete confidence for Charlie Buttons
Who gives a hoot what Tamir thinks?
He was hired to clean up the mess in the CHJCC and he has failed miserably
What has this lawyer and accountant done for us?
No Accountability (despite having an “accountant” on the board)
No Transparency
No Jobs
No Job Training
No Affordable housing
No Rent control
No new construction of buildings for Yungeleit
No programs that can help the poor (especially with Pesach
coming on)
No camp funds for our kids
(I could go on and on but you get the point)
What he has done is:
Hire cronies with terrible reputations
Drag the community through as many machlokes as the previous bunch of crooks
Get nice and cozy with all the crooks and troublemakers in our community
Force on us a sham two week election of only TWO choices
(one which who has no credentials)
Continue to obfuscate and hide where all the money is and how it is spent.
I could care less about his smile and disingenuous concern. Where’s the results?
We were duped on so many levels it is pathetic.
And now we are being duped with this scam.
The picture says it all. “Mister Rav” smirking with his friends at the freshly printed Smicha.
Notice how they hold the edges. It looks like they don’t want to get wet ink on their hands
shocked
Shame on ;you ch.info to even allow the comments of no. 1 and no. 3 to be printed. Just because there exits within us people who could actually talk like that . Do you really have to promote the hatred.? And cowards that you are you will probably not print this. But how do you sleep at night? I guess cut from the same cloth as the ones of comment 1 and 3. Shame on you all.. U are talking about marriage. WIth language as yours I pity you if anyone marries into the likes of you.
serel chana maness
boy is this community disgusting,and to think they made the maness into mud,too and there non-stop animals fighting,they all belong in a zoo where people can throw them peanuts and laugh at them,and zalman lispiker and devorah chazanow have lost there marbles,too,no one hear what the rebbe wants,not enough people want the geula,l pity you
A longtime community resident
Zaki Tamir- Another misguided young fool heard from.
Mr Braun is just that – a mister. He is not qualified for the post to which he was fraudulently elected.
AYE
I have suggested previously that RABBI Braun abandon CH and go back to Australia. Not, CV”Sh, because there is are any issues with him personally (there aren’t!). Rather, because it ill fits his Kovod to wade into the muck and garbage of such a community full of infighting. Yes, we all shed buckets of tears for the family in Itamar. Yet, far too many of us do far worse to our own brethren on a regular basis here.
A Rav will not solve the problem. A tanker truck loaded with 20,000 gallons of whoop-XXX is more like it!
annoyed at stupidity
cant we all just get along and stop the hate! pretty soon were gunna see riots over this guy its a joke and a chillul lubavitch
Let Live! Ad Mosai!
Very telling how this loshon horo is placed next to the kedoshim.
Stop the machlokes, and accept the fact that Rabbi Braun was elected democratically to be our ruv and if we like it or not we will respect Rabbi Braun.
He is a good person and CH will only gain from having him amongst us. CH is lucky to have such a good person.
Crazy
You want to know what the real Chillul Lubavitch is.
It is having the WHOLE frum world laugh at us because we can’t even come up with a credible candidate for a Rabbi.
And this is with the knowledge of all the functioning members of the current Beis Din and a big Dayan from Money
And the real punchline is after all this – they still inaugurate him! (ha ha)
No wonder they think we are all crazy
We can learn from Egypt, Libya etc
The people must raise their voices! When we take to the streets – we CAN make change! It is NEVER too late!
Learn from the Arab contries – if they can get their act together, why can’t we???
yours truly
What a giant farce. If this so called third “rav” was legitimate there would be no need for all the smoke and mirrors. What happened is one lie after another.
1.) R. Mangel is a candidate then he isn’t
2.) This R. Braun is presented as a qualified candidate.
3.) People are fooled into voting for R. Braun by character assassination of R. Bugomilski.
4.) Somehow a letter from R. Mallow AH surfaces that R. Bugomilski fought with R.Marlow. A letter supposedly was not meant for the public.
5.) R. Rosenfeld approves rent receipts as legitimate proof of residence.
6.) It is found that R. Braun has a questionable smicha.
7.) Some chicanary about what is the status of his smicha
Did another Rav Give him smicha or was it only a recomendation.
8.) R. Braun is brought to Crown heights for a hachtara.
9.) Tamir is warned by R. Osdoba not to sing a contract until the questions are clarified.
10.) A contract is signed anyway by the other two members of the Vaad. Hackner and Brownstein.
11.) An Ikul is issued by R. Kraus because no Rav from Chabad wishes to be involved.
12.) The Ikul is ignored (Who listens to Daas Torah anyway)
13.) R. Braun comes to town and the so called Smicha document is conveniently destroyed by a chasid who claims to be very devoted to the Rebbe MH.
Mazal Tov
Please tell me what do you supporters of the new “Rav” think the Rebbe MH would be proud of this?
Who do you think you are fooling?
HaDon Din Emess
The “other” “news” site has a headline “R’ Braun is the De Facto Rov”.
What a huge error of judgement.
There are t inyanim: de facto and de jure.
The first means by using the existing situation.
The second means according to judicial decision.
What a blooper.
Lets Fight Back!!!!!
Zaki is full of it. He was clearly told, and agreed to not sign ANY CONTRACT until Rosh Chodesh Adar the Ikkul was before that so don’t say everything was signed.
2nd Braun is not the Rov of the community I live in he is an opportunist who needs an income so why not screw a community out of family purity he will pay dearly.
Zaki bullies his fellow members of the Vaad and sometimes he is unable to convince Hackner to kiss his feet so he just puts him by the way side.
Finally there is Rosenberg who laughs at crown heights and hopes for a melt down so he could make more money on another battle. He’s a fake and I’m sure he’s sinned in many different ways.
Zaki, Braun, Hendel, Rosenberg and everyone else messing with the community, TIC TOC…….
@ #15
You are absolutely right! I have personally commented with the exact same comment on two websites (crownheights.info and the “other” one). It was a little controversial and guess what? Crownheights.info published it and the “other” decided not to. Only this has happened so many times that the only reason I still post on the “other” is because I get a kick out of how laughable and unfair they are. Media bias is not new to America but it will never work in Crown Heights. We are too small a community and people talk. Any sane person knows that the “other” website is extremely biased and can always be counted on to give ONE side of the story.
That being said – it is wrong for a Jewish website to print a comment with the words “yemach shemoi” referring to a fellow Jew. Braun may be a Rabbi, maybe he is not. He may be a legitimate contender, maybe not. But he is definitely a Jew, and for a Jewish website to publish something like that has nothing to do with freedoms or media bias. It is equivalent to my writing comments about the greatness of the KKK and having this website publish it. Its just not right. All considered however, my issue is not with this website. It is with the commenter.
To the author of comment #1 – I like Braun less than you (believe it or not) but you are a total putz for writing that about a fellow Jew on THE SAME DAY that we have brothers and sisters being buried in Israel. SHAME ON YOU!
Grow up and stop taking this whole issue to extremes. You will hopefully have chosen not to support him with your support, finances, or questions, but to put your aggression for him before your obligation to love him displays a total lack of education – both Halachickly and ethically.
Terrence Nelson
I am really sorry, man. I done stole Brotha Brown’s rabbi sertifiket. I done got so boored of steeling dem GPS boxes dat I just go into da Beis Deen room and steels it just like dat.
Reeely, man. Brotha Shag-a-love didnt rip up notin. I done had the originel and I done fill it wid crack and smoke it.
I dosnt remember just wat said da sertifiket but it look kinda like da paper on da pizza shop befo it klosed – yoo now, kondamnd by da Boad of Helth.
Inda Know
Let all be advised I am the original Inda Know and have no relationship to In da Know (#14 above) and do not necessarily share or endorse his (her?) opinions.
rabbi braun is a great rav
im sorry but rabbi braun is accutualy a great rav and i dont no what you guys are blabbering on about ok? because i no him personally and once u get 2 no him you will TOTALY agree with me!
Distractions
All this Braun stupidity and I’ll even go a far as to say the whole Zabla with everything that came before and after is nothing more then a ‘DISTRACTION’, to keep the people of Crown Heights busy with irrelevant and stupid discussion.
The Mossrim and Ganovim DISTRACT us, while they steal millions from the Crown Heights Jewish Community Council Inc. while we like dogs go fetch the bones they throw us.
Knowing Braun
I don’t know who Braun is, I never met him.
What I do know is who hes associated with.
I do know who brought him here to Crown Heights, and those people are Mossrim and Ganovim.
Knowing the people that brought Braun here is knowing Braun.
If you want to know who a person is, just check out his friends.
Klotz kasheh
So we get to here: Zaki is confidence in raun. We shoud be confinet in Zaki? But if nott?
What for?
The question I have for all commenter on this website is: “What for?” Clearly principles of Torah and guidance from the Rebbe don’t matter. So what are you fighting for?
For every comment on this website how many of the next generation will just go off the derech, and not take any of the (so-called) adults seriously? Why would they?
Where are your priorities? You spend huge amounts not only on Kosher food, but specific, mehudar food, shabbos meals, on clothing (kapote, hat, sheitel), on school for the kids, on having so many kids. All for what? Just your social group? Just because the neighbors do?
A 20 year old girl today has no memory of the Rebbe, and her eventual husband likely won’t either, all her friends are going to college (R”L) or thinking about it, and the vast majority of her friends don’t dress according to Halacha, let alone according to the instructions of the Rebbe.
What she knows about Yiddishkeit, about Chabad, about the Rebbe, are the things she sees in the people around her. What does she think when she sees this forum? What are you thinking?
What kind of next generation will they raise? Do you care?
The Right Path
To No. 40:
Each one should raise his or her family in the right way.
Baroch Hashem, my children at the age of two were able to point to my Rov and say, “Tatty, heres our Rov” (as they also can point to the Rebbe and say “this is the Rebbe”).
Just two weeks ago, I mentioned to my children (3-4 years of age) on Friday that Sunday we will go to the Ohel to Davven.
Comes Sunday I was not feeling up to it. It was my 3 and 4 year old which pushed us to go.
Good and evil, right and wrong always existed, it’s not something new. How have we dealt with it all these years (from when Adam eat from the apple)?
The Torah is full of stories of good and holy people doing not so holy things. The Torah puts those stories there to teach us a lesson.
DON’T PUT YOUR FAITH IN MAN, PUT YOUR FAITH IN HASHEM AND HIS TORAH!
TO: Zaki Tamir
It is obvious that you are openly not following what it says in the sicha as to what qualifications a Rav for this community must have. Basically, you and your people have appointed a new Rebbe – Rabbi Rosenberg – whom you andyour people are following. Congratulations!
To #41
To #41, so you think the parents of everyone commenting with these negative comments didn’t try to raise them in the right way?
When your 3-4 year olds grow up to be 16-18 year olds, things get very different.