Anash and Bochurim gathered in 770 Sunday night to attend the Hachtorah Ceremoney of Rabbi Yosef Braun.
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anonynous
let’s keep the comments positive
negetivity will get us nowhere
lets focus on achdus
by speaking and doing good we will bring moshiach!
good
boruch hashem!
i was doubtful,
now i am hopeful.
i think the naysayers are just interested in perpetuating machloikes.
the fight with the mishichistim is tired- the radical factions have disqualified themselves, the non-radical have been shown to be not so far off from the anti-meshichistim.
hopefully, the new rov will bring unity.
hopefully everyone will recognize that if we are to save our youth, we need to restore respect for authority.
that means showing respect to all rabonim, certainly to refrain from making comments that will leave the young even more disillusioned.
whatever
Boruch DAYAN Hoemes
Amazing
Is that a smicha they gave him.
Mazel tov and gut yom tov.
Anonymous
Where is the Drizin Family? Mendel Schneersohn?
despondent
It’s a very sad day when someone who has lied his way into such a position is given the respect he clearly does not deserve. Moreover, it is a terrible indictment on this community that this man has no shame whatsoever, even in the face of the facts.
This is what we can look forward to: a totally corrupt Beis Din whose Achdus lies in Machloykes and hate, things Braun excels in: just ask anyone in Sydney. It isn’t enough we already had 2 chaverim Beis Din who can’t stand the sight of each other?
It is said that people get the government they deserve. In Crown Heights, we must have done some really terrible things to be saddled with a corrupt CHJCC & a corrupt Beis Din.
Still, the good news is, we won’t have to wait very long before you realize what you’ve done. After all Tamir’s hype, we saw what a self-serving phoney he is after only a few months. So too will Braun prove his mettle. And yes, you will live to regret it. Sadly, so will I.
More like THOUSANDS
THERE WERE AT LEAST 3000 PEOPLE GOING IN AND OUT. lets be honest with the numbers. You can maybe argue about who thoses thousands were but there were thousands. Mazel Tov to the Ruv. We wish him much hatzlocho.
Oy Vey iz Mir
The Sydney Community must be relieved to have this troublemaker out of their community for good.
One Man’s trash is another mans’ “treasure.”
Meir Speilman
I guess you can say hundreds, because 10 hundreds is a thousand and there was lots more than 10 hundreds…..
Oh, from the pics it seems like there was more bal habatim than bochrim…
Hundreds?
I guess 770 packed wall to wall is only a few hundred people, I guess they must be lying when they say thousands attended the rebbe’s farbrengens
HVAC
where was “Vaad Representative to everyone” yingy B? why wasnt he sitting at the head table? had he decidied to finaly listen to a rov and boycott?
BEST BEST COMMENT
HE IS NOT THE NEW ROV OF CLOWN HEIGHTS!! HE DOES NOT EVEN HAVE SEMICHA !!! IF IT IS SO IMPORTANT THIS WHOLE CIRCUS SHOW TO COME AND WELCOME THE NEW CLOWN TO TOWN, SO WHY WAS THE WHOLE LUBAVITCH NOT THERE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD ??? HE IS A FAKE!!!!
rabbi braun
i make fun of misnagdim – i have no clue why i want all this tzoros – i want to be a fanatic – please forgive me fr not having smicha and lets move on
stop doubts
His mishpocha was there – it seemed to me they learn dayonos right after they say “Mama”
half hour meeting!
I heard from several different people that yesterday, while on a stopover in California, Rabbi Braun personally called Rabbi Osdobo, and asked to sit down with him privately – before – the hachtara ceremony and he will try to clear up all of Rabbi Osdobo’s doubts about him.
I think that Rabbi Osdobo should be encouraged to sit down with him for at least a half hour private meeting to see if is doubts are well founded or not.
We must give achdus and sholom a real chance.
eli
i like the way brauns father did not stand up by the rebbes kapital.
SCHWEI - NO SIGN OF SIMCHA?
THIS IS A BIT OFF TOPIC, BUT HAS ANYONE EVER TAUGHT R. SCHWEI HOW TO PULL THE CORNERS OF HIS MOUTH UP TO HIS EARS AND GIVE A SMILE?
oyvey
no need to count bocrim who came for yud shevat and are inn 770 to watch the circus.
count the marrried pepole, and you can not count more then 150.
and BTW where was heller and osdobasa. this braun is not ligit and he never will be,
he is as arogant as i remeber him in yeshivah.
i remeber he used to come back from mahatan after walking by and into places i cant mention, and he would declae “i was able to withstand the taivah”
chevrah we got a real winner.
SUCH FINE ASKKONIM IN THE PICTURES
Why are Sandhous and Y. Herzog on the welcoming committee? See the last few pictures?
These two fine upstanding characters were obviously important parts in the machinery to bring Mr. Broin to this gala, yet false “hachtorah”.
May G-d help us all.
Very optomistic
I was very skeptical. I didn’t vote at all. Last night’s hachtara gave me good vibes and I really feel there is a good possibility that Rabbi Braun is the man to save the current situation with the local rabbanus.
He seems very capable, dynamic, young and determined. I wish him hatzlocho rabo umuflogo. Anyone that can – should assist him in helping improve the spiritual matzav of our shcuna. Yaarich yamim al mamlacto
josh
Very funny (aka sad) to see what the head table is made up from… It speaks volumes of this community and the new “rov”… Moshiach NOW!!!
hatzlacha raba
As a young yungerman, I’m pleasantly surprised to see a rov full of youth and vigor, who speaks my language, when he gives a speech – he doesn’t boar the $#@ out of me (even in a long speech). He seems bright and sharp. I wish him the very best and hope he succeeds in elevating the spiritual level of our great community.
Let us give him a chance to succeed.
IS THERE A NEW DICTIONARY?
Perhaps someone can explain to me how the beautiful Hachtorah Sign on the wall of 770 boasts the words “HaRav” Braun?
If the man has no Smicha can he be titled “HARAV”??
Maybe I just have the wrong definition of the term, “RAV”. I guess that going to Yeshiva for only 20 years was not enough for me to pick up on the correct definition.
I’ll have to speak to my hanhola about this!
LET-S JUST MOVE FORWARD
WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOU WERE ON THE EDGE OF A STEEP CLIFF, AND YOU WERE TOLD “JUST MOVE FORWARD?”
SOUNDS FAMILIAR?
FRANKLY, I WANT ACHDUS AS MUCH AS ANYONE; HOWEVER, THIS CALL TO “JUST MOVE FORWARD”…..DOES NOT DO IT FOR ME. THE CLIFF IS TOO CLOSE.
WE REALLY NEED TO MOVE BACKWARDS, AND NEGATE THIS RECKLESS INSTALLATION. THEN WE CAN TRULY MOVE FORWARDS WITH MORE CAREFUL THOUGHT.
to the naysayers
do those (very few) of you who question Rabbi Braun’s credentials and knowledge of Torah and Halacha – if you want to be honest with yourself, go over to him and speak with him in learning. I’m pretty sure that after 2 minutes, (most of) you will be totally lost.
This man is a serious Talmid Chacham – he is not in your league. you know what? prove me wrong!
He didn’t get semicha? are you sure? what do Rabbi’s Rosenberg, Kuperman, Hecht, Yurkovitch and Havlin say?
who was in charge of the head table?
There are so many people who were not invited up to sit on the head table:
Non eof the mazkirim,
No roshie yeshiva
No leadership of Oholie Toirah, Bais Rivka, Lubavitcher Yeshiva or Bnois menachem.
No One from Mercoz, Machaneh Yisrael or Aguch.
Yoel Kahan, Dovid Feldman etc.
No Guraries’ Chitricks, Daitches, etc.
Rabbi Heller
Rabbonim of local shuls besides for Mangel and Mottel Gurarie.
Why werent all these people asked to come sit on the head table?
nisht victig
When I see Berel Lipsker handing Rabbi Braun the Ksav Rabonus, I remebered the maamar Chazal, “Oy lerabonus shemkabereses baaleha..”
C.H. Info
Thank you for keeping us updated, you are doing a great job.
A friend from Toronto Canada.
Keep up the good work
To # 6
Terrible thing, yes. Did not M’Kabel P’Nai MOSHIACH Tzidkeinu &
HaGeulah HaAmitis V’HaSlaimah. No one asked you or anyone else to
have faith in Tamir or Braun. Faith in HaShem & Moshe Avdo, and
we know Moshe Avdo, the REBBE MHM, thats our SHLICUS. Not doing
this, yes, brought you this situation. Don’t blame anyone else, the
CHASSIDIM dropped the ball. YECHI HAMELECH HAMOSHIACH, thats what
you need to be saddled with. Hatzlachah Rabbah.
great show of unity
This Hachtara was a great show of unity. Mazal Tov!
Crown Heightsers not in attendance
lots of bochrim there. majority of anash boycotted this travesty, installation of MR.Braun as a rov. Indeed!!!
together
To me, Rabbi Osdobo is very relevant! He is one of the 3 Rabbonim elected by the entire community!
He needs to be encouraged to sit down with the newly elected rov and see if they can find common ground. As far as I know, there is no personal animas between them. I don’t think they ever interacted with each other in a meaningful way.
Let bygones be bygones. Let all 3 Chavray Habadat”z sit together and try to work towards the betterment of the entire community.
A Patch In Ponim? Chas V-shalom!
It’s the furthest thing from ‘a patch in ponim’. It’s the community saying: we want a stable bais din = 3 rabbonim. And we accept the psak din of the zablo that was given the task to set the stage for proper community leadership and not dictatorship.
This was NOT against anyone. It was FOR the future stability and health of our entire community.
We need all 3 Rabbonim!
We fully respect all 3 Rabbonim!
Mystified
To #18
Where were you until now?
horav hagaon
the Rebbe once wrote on someone “horav hagoan” הרה“ג(abbreviated)and Rabbi Rotstien asked the Rebbe if this was appropriate the Rebbe responded, ”it is either “horav hagoan” ot “Horav hagornisht” (see Kfar chabad of this past friday pg. 50)
shimon
you are 1000% wrong. the overwhelming majority want to see the beth din function is a strong, healthy, positive and unified voice. we are the people who always supported the beth din – and will continue to always support a unified beth din.
all the ‘askanim’, ‘helpers’ & ‘handlers’ on both sides “must” go immediately. they are the source of all our problems.. if you would leave the Rabbonim “alone” in their office to work out their differences, without the ‘help’ of the above mentioned, we would be in much better shape.
we support the rabbonim. pleeeease get rid of the troublemakers on the sidelines.
Hundreds?
If your going to report something, please report objectively. 770 packed from wall to wall is a little more then hundreds.
otnicik
i was in yeshivah with him as well, he only said “that he was able to hold back his taivah” after the few younger boys that he went with said that he took them there,
and he did it to test them to see if they can hold back.
this is just one of the stories that happened in OT and the reason each and evry member of hanhalh at that time are against him.
i just chapt zich
i just figured out the problem.
when i looked at the pictures, and i see the pepole in the crowd, and on the head table, and i look back at the kinus hashluchim, i see the diffrence from what is left over in CH amd what is out there doing the rebbes work.
look and you will see the same thing. you dont have to look that hard.
to 23
the genatria of rav is 1/4 of the gematria of tuches. add the “hay” and it is a bit more than 1/4. with that said he is very well deserving of this title.
shame
Shame on Rabbi Shwei for not backing Rabbi Osdoba’s inquiry when doubts as to the validity of the semicha and practical shimush came to light. And if there were no doubts, why didn’t YOU try to bring achdus by verifying these matters in a clear and open way??!
A Shliach
I live in Southern California. In the beginning, when this whole issue broke, and it did indeed turn into a circus, I was upset that “the great and choshuveh” kehilla of “kan Tzivah” has turned into a universal laughing stock. But, now, I am reconsidering and I feel that the dysfunctional Crown Heights is not worth the aggravation. It is a community primarily made up of weirdos, ignoramuses, couples who are barely frum, major tznius problems,whack job Meshichistin, 2 Rabbonim who are also not too normal and mainstream, they dont even talk to each other,who themselves are acting childish.
so….I feel very sorry for you guys, but you just dont rate.
to 34
everyone in yeshivah at that time knew and knows about this story.
this happened all the time.
why do you think he was sent flying from all moisdis chiniuch in Australia.
chaim
i feel sorry for people who write negative comments.
i know one thing i have learned about life.
that is,
those that spew negativity,
are basically negative people period.
so, i’ll say it again,
i feel sorry for you, bc it always come back to bite you.
Admittedly, it is very hard to look at oneself objectively (very very hard)
Hashem should help us all, so that we can take responsibility for our own garbage,
instead of hurling it at others.
p.s. you only need to ask Hashem to look at yourself objectively, and He really does help – leading an emesdik life is not easy. It’s the only way to fly though :)
Rabbi Mattis Kantor, Eastern Parkway, NY
It serves no purpose to keep repeating that he has no smicha.
If he had been running for the position on his lomdus, together with a letter from, say, Harav Landau in Bnei Brak, saying that he would ‘farher’ him and give him smicha, and six months shimush, before he sits “on the bench”, that would have been OK.
He certainly has smicha by now. (Probably on an expensive paper too. If it was written on plain paper, well Photoshop can do wonders. He knows, because he saw his picture with plums on Slivovitz.) So that is not an issue any longer (the shimush is, yes.)
The issue is (1) Fraud, and (2) the fact that for some ten years he blatantly ignored the Rebbe’s Horaa to receive smicha. Now he will be THE Rov (for life) in CHTs that the Rebbe sends us to in his “Oral Tzavaa”? And who paskened that he is fit? A Rov from Monsey who definitely falls under the category of “dayan for money” and is -according to the Halacha in Choshen Mishpat- deserving of “the opposite of Kavod”. (Siman8.1). (Also note there that the Pishchey Teshuva brings from Chasam Sofer that the Minuy needs to be LeShem Shomayim – if not it is isn’t valid.) Which brings me to anopther point:
When Mangel was speaking I heard a little, and what I heard seemed like a speech to passel the new “Rov”. “Learning is not enough” he said, “there needs to be Yiras Shomayim (Yiras HaBriyos?)” “…and here (770) we also need a chosid…” Yes. Agreed. Where was he for 10 years without smicha? He is such a Gaon this would have been so simple – NO? The Rebbe’s Horaa in such an easy task? He is the chosid Mangel is talking about? (I guess a horse with blinkers only sees the southern end of the northbound horse in front of him, and assumes that is what a horse looks like.) “The chosid who comes first, then Yi’rey Shomayim, and then Lamdan” he said. Hello. Lamdan is last. Listen to what they are saying.
Then (lfi hashmua) the topic was raised (I think by his father) that in paskenen a shayla there is a siyata disahmaya. OK, so who would get a bigger siyata dishmaya? A Modern Orthodox Rabbi (we have those too, but none chose to run) or a chassidisher rov? Same here. Please don’t trumpet his lomdus so much. That is not the only criteria (a major criteria, absolutely).
A mayseh: The Satmar Rov, Reb Yoelish, was in a hotel in tha Catskills in the 50’s, where Harav Henkin was Rov HaMachshir. They had a disagreement over a halacha, and the Satmarer called him an “am haoretz”. He later (back in NY) regretted this, so he sent a shliach to HaRav Henkin to ask for mechila. So the sliach was told “I am mochel on the condition you give him the following message: As a Rebbe (as it is bay zey a Rebbe) he is too great a lamdan; as a Rov, he is too great a machmir.”
Please keep to the message.
Stop the complaints he doesn’t have smicha. By now he has a gilt edged (legally Photoshoped) document.
Focus on the eternal issues.
Fraud and “hiskashrus”. (Yes, we will be hearing that from him a lot, you can be sure.)
Approprite setting for a circus
All I can think of is that it was an appropriate setting for the circus to take place, in 770 with all the crazy Yechi signs and Yechi yarmulkas. The whole thing is completely phony and a laughing stock. Who are these outside “Rabbonim” who participated in the carnival? They must be getting paid good money to appear there with all the clowns. Nothing that took place there has anything to do with the real Lubavitch or real Yiddishkeit. Just a lot of hot air and fressing.
afilu malach hamaves kenisht oifton
I guess this is the sort of chassidishe farbrengen “vos ken oifton vos afilu malach hamaves ken nisht oifton”, a most quotable quote, coined a night earlier, l’kayem mah shekosuv: nibei v’eino yodea ma nibei.
If HaRav Osdoba asked to postpone the ceremony till the troubling doubts are dispelled, and then said not to attend when the organizers completely disregarded him, how did any one have the chutzpah to be there?
Make no mistake, this is a challenge to the Rebbe’s Nesius, because that was the Rebbe’s tzavaah to us,in the sicha of motzei Shabbos Terumah 5748, that the Rabbonim are the continuation of the Nesius, like Yehoshua. At present time Rav Osdoba is the zaken shebechaburah referred to in that sicha, the gravity of disregarding his words is immense.
And what were the words the Rebbe spoke in 5745, when someone tampered with the Rebbe’s Nesius (the seforim)? “a lebedike bombeh” – this is a time-bomb, may Hashem have rachmonus on all of us.
My Estimation
I would say there were around 250 people attending the Hachtoro (the rest were Bouchrim)
To comment 39
Are you one of those that call Crown Heightsers – “Farmers”?
The Rebbe called Crwon Heights “Kan Tzivah Hashem es Habrocho” for a reason!
Everyone has a tafkid, Shluchim AND Toisvei hashchuna!
, keresh, kesher, sheker
We’ve just learnt about Kesher – rebellion- oisiyos SHEKER. L’sheker ain raglayim. This whole House of Cards: fake semicha = fake rav will tumble. wait and see.
chayim yankel
Eli SLavin the big askin!!!
You look very lonely there ( sitting in between the 500 bochurim brought to fill the place up ) after all your brother had a pleasant time with braun in sydney!!!
You look very low key not near chanina licking his….
Why you so down??!!
Answer to 17
“17. SCHWEI – NO SIGN OF SIMCHA? wrote:
THIS IS A BIT OFF TOPIC, BUT HAS ANYONE EVER TAUGHT R. SCHWEI HOW TO PULL THE CORNERS OF HIS MOUTH UP TO HIS EARS AND GIVE A SMILE?
The answer is simple, Rabbi Schwei knows this is no Simcha for him, he knows that he’ll be Bruan’s first victim.
Help
The sign behind the table is a sad indication of this new member to the Bais Din. Funny I can’t even call him a Rabbi and I can call my brother and friends who are much younger Rabbis because they did the task of studying smicha and getting it. Time and time again I have seen arrogance make terrible Machlokes. So Crown heighters get ready. You are all to blame for voting for this man. I’m sure in Austrailia they are celebrating. Very Sad.
Please pass the ketchup
For those who don’t understand Yiddish, her’s a quote from Harav Braun Shlit”a at his inaugural address at his installation as Rov in Crown heights: Blood should run, but peace there will be – Shimon Dzigan, Israeli comedian
This is the Rov I like, this man is well cultured and masters really everything, not only what small time Rabbis know. How refreshing.
someone who was there
What a sad day from Crown heights and the world at large
if you look at who was there and who was running the show you will realize it’s the same old devil dressed up differently now and all of you fell for it how sad
The Rebbe-s people
The CH community has slowly pushed out anyone who was anything in the Rebbes days, pushing out Rabbi Osdaba is the final nail in the coffin.
repeat a lie
why repeat teh matra: he dosnt ahve semicha?
Dinnt you hear teh new? ALL of the arguments being made Rabbi Osdobo, Reb Yoel, etc were brought up to the Zablo Beid Din. The Rabbonim listened to the arguments, then they set out to investigate the facts, and you know what their unanimous conclusion = daas torah was?
Rabbi Braun has and had semicha! and that recently he also got dayanus.
so who are you trying to sell the Brooklyn bridge to? you cannot accept that the psak din doesn’t assist your political agenda?
Do you think that if you repeat the same lie enough time. people will begin to believe you? get a life.
Rent a crowd?
Here are the simple facts as documented:
“9:02: The main shul of 770 Eastern Parkway is packed for the hachtara inauguration ceremony for Rabbi Yosef Yeshaya Braun”
“9:11 PM: Oholei Torah Zal was dismissed to go to the event. Rabbi Shmarya Roitblat told bochurim that ”the Rebbe wanted it to be b’rov an hadras melech.“ Bochurim were seen walking with him to 770”
question: how was 770 “packed” at 9:02 when the rent a crowd began when Hravo Roitblat dismissed the bochrim at 9:11? (and it also takes some time to walk over to 770)
time for him to put up
Did anyone notice how hendel slipped out the back?
This guy is unbelievable, he made this big mess, accomplished that there be a Hachtara he didn’t care that there was not one Crown Heights Moised represented at the event.
He did not care whether this Braun was qualified or not, he just wanted to hurt osdoba.
Now that there is real work to be done, like pay salaries fix the mess that resulted from this fight. Abra Cadabra he is gone.
He did the same thing by the Yeshivah mess. If you look at the way he operates, he always stays in the background so he is not responsible for any aftershocks or financial obligations.
The guy as big as you may think he is, has no real operation going where he is personally responsible. He some how gets these guys to cover for him. He did it with the oir Elozor menachem yeshivah also.
Anyway it’s time we put this guy up to task, and stop giving him a free ride.
To number 1
Keep it positive? Yes, ideally.
But how can we teach our children that it’s not okay to cheat their way through Yeshiva, when the rov got in that way?
Making “peace” with this whole load of nonsense is not in pursuit of Shalom, it’s a display of dishonesty, and laziness. We must deal with the matter appropriately.
If he wasn’t a mishechist, and didn’t win the election purely on that card, he would NOT be receiving the support he is. This is very biased support.
L’Havdil:
If he was Orenthal James the bus driver, he would be sitting in prison right now (I’m sure some of you get the reference).
Open-mind
To those who try to assume the new “rov” has communal approval based on the audience size last night.
In the past, when a rov joined the Badatz with less controversy (and hence, more communal approval) there was always a smaller crowd— per capita taken into account. So clearly “Rov approval” and number of attendees have no correlation. (And for the few people out there that took statistics I know that correlation does not prove causation, but as you can see I am including other variables, so thank you very much).
If one had time to conduct a proper single blind survey, it will reveal truthfully how people feel, rather than basing it on the size of the audience.
This is how you can do it: review all the comments, of all the articles on pertaining to this issue (for it to be valid, you must clearly list each article your data from. Once collected, count all the comments of approval and disapproval for the new “rov.” The people writing comments until now have done so without bias; since anonymous comments enables them to be honest. As well, not knowing it would be counted contributes to the survey. But one very important last element, you cannot include the comments posted after this one (including this one, since I know about the survey)—see time and date above my comment for cut off time. Naturally, once this is posted, a bias plays in; so all comments hereafter are disqualified from the survey. Once your groups know they are part of an experiment/survey, all data following is void—I’m sure you understand (in case you don’t, you can look up how research and surveys are conducted, or ask your educated Bais Rivkah sister or wife—at least someone in Lubavitch has an idea what the I’m talking about.
This will reveal more accurately the percentage of people who approve or disapprove of the new “Rov.” This method is a little more scientific than guessing :-).
To explain, there were many other reasons to attend the event, which had nothing to do with approval: I do not approve of the new “rov.” But if I was in Crown Heights, I would have gone to the event out of interest—not out of approval. In addition, there is the mishechist factor.
It’s surprising that people are ignoring the obvious–he only won because he’s a mishechist. Whether one likes Rabbi Bagomilsky or not, on the scale of Rov capabilities R. Braun doesn’t come close. It’s like comparing Mariano Rivera to John Franco—even in his heyday (sorry Mets’ fans). So naturally, this election started with a bias—having nothing to do with his ability as a Rov. So at this point, he needs his mishechist supporters.
The people who attended out of curiosity, and the mishechistim who attended out of support for a mishechist rov, would not have attended if it were a simpler election. That is why our survey is important, the crowd members had ulterior motives (sorry intellectual people for the repetition, but I know I need to clarify for some). Most people would have backed out of coming to an event that started so late—due to tiredness and the need to get up in the morning. Yet again, most mishechistim are unemployed—so maybe it works for that demographic.
ben-yehoshua
i have never seen such uncontrolled loshon hora ,rechilus,chutzpa, and absolute disrespect, as i have seen on this site today. it is absolutely imperative that sifrei chassidus , tanya, etc be supplemented with sefer shemiras haloshon in every home and it should be studied daily. they scream”meshiach now but they are pushing him away with all this loshon horoh. everyone knows that the long golus we are in started because of sinas chinom and loshon horoh
I would like to see
I would like to see three things: Obama’s birth Certificate, R’ Braun S’micha and Tamir’s Beard.
CH
What a sad bunch of rif raf!
yy
will he wear a shtreimel like the frierdiker rebbe or regular hat like the rebbe,
i doubt krinsky would give him the fridikr rebbes shtreimel but he can get one from his father & brothers.
Sorry
Crown Heights should just have two sets of everything, two sets of rabonim, two sets of vaad hakahol etc. The differences are way too deep, and there is no going back.
ben-yehoshua
it is well kno0wn that many semichas are not worth the paper that they are written on..Many gedolei hador had no official semicha. A few minutes of conversation with them would be more revaling than a dozen semichas.
Ben Reuven
Hundreds????? What about THOUSANDS!!!!!
By the way, I was also in Yeshiva with him and being a fellow Boro Parker, who became a Lubavitcher a few years after him. I spent many, many hours with him after the Rebbes fabriengens, sichois etc.
Chevre, you have for yourself an emmesse Chasidishe Rov!
Shliach in yehpetz, USA
zaki
Eli Slavin never met a camera he didnt like
to 42 a shliach
what gives you the chutspah to go and speak like that on a khilah kdoshah , your whole shlichos is nothing worth if you could talk like this, why dont you say your name and will see if rabbi cunin agrees with the way you talk.big mouth/
to shliach #42
Harsh—-But true
To RABBI MATTIS KANTOR
You previously wrote about the Din Torah you are preparing for the Bais Din Shel Maalah. You should include Rabbi Feldman from Sydney as one of your defendants. He had no right to withhold vital information about Y. Braun and thrust him upon CH, the Rebbe’s schuna, in his selfish desire to rid Sydney of him. After 120, R’ Feldman will have a lot of answering up to do….! Where is his Yiras Shamayim, his Ehrlichkeit, his devotion to the Rebbe?
A Man Of Halacha
He’s not my Rov and I certainly do not intend on listening to him. He deceived the whole community with his credentials, that’s a no-no in my book.
Real person
Where were the Jackson, gesheit, finberg, goldfarb or even heilman families ???? Oh wait they don’t count. I mean why didn’t the real people from CH show up???? The reason the others didn’t show up is because they were too drunk with pride or alcohol, you choose…
supper
To 53, Pass the ketchup…
100’s will always gather for free dinner on the house!
To # 70 # 42
You are partly right. Unfortunately most shlichim think this way.
It doesn’t matter what Shloime Cunin says. It’s still MUCH better
here in C.H. My shlichus has taken me to so many k’hillos and they
cannot say they are better off in RUCHNIOS than C.H. Be happy you
are in C.H., true, with all it’s problems, it’s still better and
HOLIER, thats for sure. Be grateful you are not in Ca., Fl., Pa., IL., Md., Mi., Co., N.J., Conn., Ma., etc., etc. They have no room
to talk. Thank G-D they only come to C.H. a couple of times a year
to eat & to have their picture taken, while they stick their hands
into their m’kurevim’s pockets. If they were only taking their money it wouldn’t be so bad, but they leave their neshamah’s EMPTY
also. Stay in Ca. & all those other places, we don’t need you here. I’M LOVIN IT
Take the smicha tests
Let him take the farheres like I and many others. Its what the rebbe wants. Its 5 tests for smicha 7 for dayonis. Then get Shimush. Even if it takes a year. Embaressing? yes. But the right thing to do for a self declared “chayel of the Rebbe”.
“Why do I need this?” answer 11 kids no job.
OR Another right thing to do is step down.
SHTREIMEL committee
the solution for CH is SHTREIMEL we need to get rav brown a big furry SHTREIMEL this will bring piece.
Shliach in California
TO:70 (and also 76)
I learned, lived and suported CH just as much as anyone, I know everything that goes on in the Kehilla Kedosha including the terrible tznius/sholom bayis/turned off youth issues. Nobody, except said wierdos has respect for anybody, there were years a couple couldnt get a Noshim Shaala paskened, the Rabbis have no experience. Rabbi Shvei was my Mesivta Teacher, when did he get shimush/
you walk into 770 and it has turned into a disgraceful circus with bug eyed whackos walking around dishevelled and zombie like. I will not let my children study there, it is the most dysfunctional community i’ve ever been too. One Shabbos I aquiesced and davvene at Bais Shmuel and I was reminded of the “fargrebte” Boro park young Israels we used to make fun of in 770. The women dress disgracefullly, The Rabbonim are a joke, A yungerman wants food stamps or heap he has t go to Willy.
I can go on and on but Im trying to be nice.
To #79 from #76
Still better in C.H. Fooling yourselves & your children. Problems
in C.H., yes, for SURE. Go to other kehilos and see how they lull
themselves to sleep with the status quo. The youth in C.H. want
change and they will get it. The elders have been asleep for so long, you cannot expect change to come from them. If you live with
the Geulah Shlaimah & MHM then you have at least some chance. Is it
still difficult yes, but at least you are still in the game. I don’t just like it here I’M LOVIN’ IT.
anonynous
let’s keep the comments positive
negetivity will get us nowhere
lets focus on achdus
by speaking and doing good we will bring moshiach!
good
boruch hashem!
i was doubtful,
now i am hopeful.
i think the naysayers are just interested in perpetuating machloikes.
the fight with the mishichistim is tired- the radical factions have disqualified themselves, the non-radical have been shown to be not so far off from the anti-meshichistim.
hopefully, the new rov will bring unity.
hopefully everyone will recognize that if we are to save our youth, we need to restore respect for authority.
that means showing respect to all rabonim, certainly to refrain from making comments that will leave the young even more disillusioned.
whatever
Boruch DAYAN Hoemes
Amazing
Is that a smicha they gave him.
Mazel tov and gut yom tov.
Anonymous
Where is the Drizin Family? Mendel Schneersohn?
despondent
It’s a very sad day when someone who has lied his way into such a position is given the respect he clearly does not deserve. Moreover, it is a terrible indictment on this community that this man has no shame whatsoever, even in the face of the facts.
This is what we can look forward to: a totally corrupt Beis Din whose Achdus lies in Machloykes and hate, things Braun excels in: just ask anyone in Sydney. It isn’t enough we already had 2 chaverim Beis Din who can’t stand the sight of each other?
It is said that people get the government they deserve. In Crown Heights, we must have done some really terrible things to be saddled with a corrupt CHJCC & a corrupt Beis Din.
Still, the good news is, we won’t have to wait very long before you realize what you’ve done. After all Tamir’s hype, we saw what a self-serving phoney he is after only a few months. So too will Braun prove his mettle. And yes, you will live to regret it. Sadly, so will I.
More like THOUSANDS
THERE WERE AT LEAST 3000 PEOPLE GOING IN AND OUT. lets be honest with the numbers. You can maybe argue about who thoses thousands were but there were thousands. Mazel Tov to the Ruv. We wish him much hatzlocho.
Oy Vey iz Mir
The Sydney Community must be relieved to have this troublemaker out of their community for good.
One Man’s trash is another mans’ “treasure.”
Meir Speilman
I guess you can say hundreds, because 10 hundreds is a thousand and there was lots more than 10 hundreds…..
Oh, from the pics it seems like there was more bal habatim than bochrim…
Hundreds?
I guess 770 packed wall to wall is only a few hundred people, I guess they must be lying when they say thousands attended the rebbe’s farbrengens
HVAC
where was “Vaad Representative to everyone” yingy B? why wasnt he sitting at the head table? had he decidied to finaly listen to a rov and boycott?
BEST BEST COMMENT
HE IS NOT THE NEW ROV OF CLOWN HEIGHTS!! HE DOES NOT EVEN HAVE SEMICHA !!! IF IT IS SO IMPORTANT THIS WHOLE CIRCUS SHOW TO COME AND WELCOME THE NEW CLOWN TO TOWN, SO WHY WAS THE WHOLE LUBAVITCH NOT THERE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD ??? HE IS A FAKE!!!!
rabbi braun
i make fun of misnagdim – i have no clue why i want all this tzoros – i want to be a fanatic – please forgive me fr not having smicha and lets move on
stop doubts
His mishpocha was there – it seemed to me they learn dayonos right after they say “Mama”
half hour meeting!
I heard from several different people that yesterday, while on a stopover in California, Rabbi Braun personally called Rabbi Osdobo, and asked to sit down with him privately – before – the hachtara ceremony and he will try to clear up all of Rabbi Osdobo’s doubts about him.
I think that Rabbi Osdobo should be encouraged to sit down with him for at least a half hour private meeting to see if is doubts are well founded or not.
We must give achdus and sholom a real chance.
eli
i like the way brauns father did not stand up by the rebbes kapital.
SCHWEI - NO SIGN OF SIMCHA?
THIS IS A BIT OFF TOPIC, BUT HAS ANYONE EVER TAUGHT R. SCHWEI HOW TO PULL THE CORNERS OF HIS MOUTH UP TO HIS EARS AND GIVE A SMILE?
oyvey
no need to count bocrim who came for yud shevat and are inn 770 to watch the circus.
count the marrried pepole, and you can not count more then 150.
and BTW where was heller and osdobasa. this braun is not ligit and he never will be,
he is as arogant as i remeber him in yeshivah.
i remeber he used to come back from mahatan after walking by and into places i cant mention, and he would declae “i was able to withstand the taivah”
chevrah we got a real winner.
SUCH FINE ASKKONIM IN THE PICTURES
Why are Sandhous and Y. Herzog on the welcoming committee? See the last few pictures?
These two fine upstanding characters were obviously important parts in the machinery to bring Mr. Broin to this gala, yet false “hachtorah”.
May G-d help us all.
Very optomistic
I was very skeptical. I didn’t vote at all. Last night’s hachtara gave me good vibes and I really feel there is a good possibility that Rabbi Braun is the man to save the current situation with the local rabbanus.
He seems very capable, dynamic, young and determined. I wish him hatzlocho rabo umuflogo. Anyone that can – should assist him in helping improve the spiritual matzav of our shcuna. Yaarich yamim al mamlacto
josh
Very funny (aka sad) to see what the head table is made up from… It speaks volumes of this community and the new “rov”… Moshiach NOW!!!
hatzlacha raba
As a young yungerman, I’m pleasantly surprised to see a rov full of youth and vigor, who speaks my language, when he gives a speech – he doesn’t boar the $#@ out of me (even in a long speech). He seems bright and sharp. I wish him the very best and hope he succeeds in elevating the spiritual level of our great community.
Let us give him a chance to succeed.
IS THERE A NEW DICTIONARY?
Perhaps someone can explain to me how the beautiful Hachtorah Sign on the wall of 770 boasts the words “HaRav” Braun?
If the man has no Smicha can he be titled “HARAV”??
Maybe I just have the wrong definition of the term, “RAV”. I guess that going to Yeshiva for only 20 years was not enough for me to pick up on the correct definition.
I’ll have to speak to my hanhola about this!
LET-S JUST MOVE FORWARD
WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOU WERE ON THE EDGE OF A STEEP CLIFF, AND YOU WERE TOLD “JUST MOVE FORWARD?”
SOUNDS FAMILIAR?
FRANKLY, I WANT ACHDUS AS MUCH AS ANYONE; HOWEVER, THIS CALL TO “JUST MOVE FORWARD”…..DOES NOT DO IT FOR ME. THE CLIFF IS TOO CLOSE.
WE REALLY NEED TO MOVE BACKWARDS, AND NEGATE THIS RECKLESS INSTALLATION. THEN WE CAN TRULY MOVE FORWARDS WITH MORE CAREFUL THOUGHT.
to the naysayers
do those (very few) of you who question Rabbi Braun’s credentials and knowledge of Torah and Halacha – if you want to be honest with yourself, go over to him and speak with him in learning. I’m pretty sure that after 2 minutes, (most of) you will be totally lost.
This man is a serious Talmid Chacham – he is not in your league. you know what? prove me wrong!
He didn’t get semicha? are you sure? what do Rabbi’s Rosenberg, Kuperman, Hecht, Yurkovitch and Havlin say?
who was in charge of the head table?
There are so many people who were not invited up to sit on the head table:
Non eof the mazkirim,
No roshie yeshiva
No leadership of Oholie Toirah, Bais Rivka, Lubavitcher Yeshiva or Bnois menachem.
No One from Mercoz, Machaneh Yisrael or Aguch.
Yoel Kahan, Dovid Feldman etc.
No Guraries’ Chitricks, Daitches, etc.
Rabbi Heller
Rabbonim of local shuls besides for Mangel and Mottel Gurarie.
Why werent all these people asked to come sit on the head table?
nisht victig
When I see Berel Lipsker handing Rabbi Braun the Ksav Rabonus, I remebered the maamar Chazal, “Oy lerabonus shemkabereses baaleha..”
C.H. Info
Thank you for keeping us updated, you are doing a great job.
A friend from Toronto Canada.
Keep up the good work
To # 6
Terrible thing, yes. Did not M’Kabel P’Nai MOSHIACH Tzidkeinu &
HaGeulah HaAmitis V’HaSlaimah. No one asked you or anyone else to
have faith in Tamir or Braun. Faith in HaShem & Moshe Avdo, and
we know Moshe Avdo, the REBBE MHM, thats our SHLICUS. Not doing
this, yes, brought you this situation. Don’t blame anyone else, the
CHASSIDIM dropped the ball. YECHI HAMELECH HAMOSHIACH, thats what
you need to be saddled with. Hatzlachah Rabbah.
great show of unity
This Hachtara was a great show of unity. Mazal Tov!
Crown Heightsers not in attendance
lots of bochrim there. majority of anash boycotted this travesty, installation of MR.Braun as a rov. Indeed!!!
together
To me, Rabbi Osdobo is very relevant! He is one of the 3 Rabbonim elected by the entire community!
He needs to be encouraged to sit down with the newly elected rov and see if they can find common ground. As far as I know, there is no personal animas between them. I don’t think they ever interacted with each other in a meaningful way.
Let bygones be bygones. Let all 3 Chavray Habadat”z sit together and try to work towards the betterment of the entire community.
A Patch In Ponim? Chas V-shalom!
It’s the furthest thing from ‘a patch in ponim’. It’s the community saying: we want a stable bais din = 3 rabbonim. And we accept the psak din of the zablo that was given the task to set the stage for proper community leadership and not dictatorship.
This was NOT against anyone. It was FOR the future stability and health of our entire community.
We need all 3 Rabbonim!
We fully respect all 3 Rabbonim!
Mystified
To #18
Where were you until now?
horav hagaon
the Rebbe once wrote on someone “horav hagoan” הרה“ג(abbreviated)and Rabbi Rotstien asked the Rebbe if this was appropriate the Rebbe responded, ”it is either “horav hagoan” ot “Horav hagornisht” (see Kfar chabad of this past friday pg. 50)
shimon
you are 1000% wrong. the overwhelming majority want to see the beth din function is a strong, healthy, positive and unified voice. we are the people who always supported the beth din – and will continue to always support a unified beth din.
all the ‘askanim’, ‘helpers’ & ‘handlers’ on both sides “must” go immediately. they are the source of all our problems.. if you would leave the Rabbonim “alone” in their office to work out their differences, without the ‘help’ of the above mentioned, we would be in much better shape.
we support the rabbonim. pleeeease get rid of the troublemakers on the sidelines.
Hundreds?
If your going to report something, please report objectively. 770 packed from wall to wall is a little more then hundreds.
otnicik
i was in yeshivah with him as well, he only said “that he was able to hold back his taivah” after the few younger boys that he went with said that he took them there,
and he did it to test them to see if they can hold back.
this is just one of the stories that happened in OT and the reason each and evry member of hanhalh at that time are against him.
i just chapt zich
i just figured out the problem.
when i looked at the pictures, and i see the pepole in the crowd, and on the head table, and i look back at the kinus hashluchim, i see the diffrence from what is left over in CH amd what is out there doing the rebbes work.
look and you will see the same thing. you dont have to look that hard.
to 23
the genatria of rav is 1/4 of the gematria of tuches. add the “hay” and it is a bit more than 1/4. with that said he is very well deserving of this title.
shame
Shame on Rabbi Shwei for not backing Rabbi Osdoba’s inquiry when doubts as to the validity of the semicha and practical shimush came to light. And if there were no doubts, why didn’t YOU try to bring achdus by verifying these matters in a clear and open way??!
A Shliach
I live in Southern California. In the beginning, when this whole issue broke, and it did indeed turn into a circus, I was upset that “the great and choshuveh” kehilla of “kan Tzivah” has turned into a universal laughing stock. But, now, I am reconsidering and I feel that the dysfunctional Crown Heights is not worth the aggravation. It is a community primarily made up of weirdos, ignoramuses, couples who are barely frum, major tznius problems,whack job Meshichistin, 2 Rabbonim who are also not too normal and mainstream, they dont even talk to each other,who themselves are acting childish.
so….I feel very sorry for you guys, but you just dont rate.
to 34
everyone in yeshivah at that time knew and knows about this story.
this happened all the time.
why do you think he was sent flying from all moisdis chiniuch in Australia.
chaim
i feel sorry for people who write negative comments.
i know one thing i have learned about life.
that is,
those that spew negativity,
are basically negative people period.
so, i’ll say it again,
i feel sorry for you, bc it always come back to bite you.
Admittedly, it is very hard to look at oneself objectively (very very hard)
Hashem should help us all, so that we can take responsibility for our own garbage,
instead of hurling it at others.
p.s. you only need to ask Hashem to look at yourself objectively, and He really does help – leading an emesdik life is not easy. It’s the only way to fly though :)
Rabbi Mattis Kantor, Eastern Parkway, NY
It serves no purpose to keep repeating that he has no smicha.
If he had been running for the position on his lomdus, together with a letter from, say, Harav Landau in Bnei Brak, saying that he would ‘farher’ him and give him smicha, and six months shimush, before he sits “on the bench”, that would have been OK.
He certainly has smicha by now. (Probably on an expensive paper too. If it was written on plain paper, well Photoshop can do wonders. He knows, because he saw his picture with plums on Slivovitz.) So that is not an issue any longer (the shimush is, yes.)
The issue is (1) Fraud, and (2) the fact that for some ten years he blatantly ignored the Rebbe’s Horaa to receive smicha. Now he will be THE Rov (for life) in CHTs that the Rebbe sends us to in his “Oral Tzavaa”? And who paskened that he is fit? A Rov from Monsey who definitely falls under the category of “dayan for money” and is -according to the Halacha in Choshen Mishpat- deserving of “the opposite of Kavod”. (Siman8.1). (Also note there that the Pishchey Teshuva brings from Chasam Sofer that the Minuy needs to be LeShem Shomayim – if not it is isn’t valid.) Which brings me to anopther point:
When Mangel was speaking I heard a little, and what I heard seemed like a speech to passel the new “Rov”. “Learning is not enough” he said, “there needs to be Yiras Shomayim (Yiras HaBriyos?)” “…and here (770) we also need a chosid…” Yes. Agreed. Where was he for 10 years without smicha? He is such a Gaon this would have been so simple – NO? The Rebbe’s Horaa in such an easy task? He is the chosid Mangel is talking about? (I guess a horse with blinkers only sees the southern end of the northbound horse in front of him, and assumes that is what a horse looks like.) “The chosid who comes first, then Yi’rey Shomayim, and then Lamdan” he said. Hello. Lamdan is last. Listen to what they are saying.
Then (lfi hashmua) the topic was raised (I think by his father) that in paskenen a shayla there is a siyata disahmaya. OK, so who would get a bigger siyata dishmaya? A Modern Orthodox Rabbi (we have those too, but none chose to run) or a chassidisher rov? Same here. Please don’t trumpet his lomdus so much. That is not the only criteria (a major criteria, absolutely).
A mayseh: The Satmar Rov, Reb Yoelish, was in a hotel in tha Catskills in the 50’s, where Harav Henkin was Rov HaMachshir. They had a disagreement over a halacha, and the Satmarer called him an “am haoretz”. He later (back in NY) regretted this, so he sent a shliach to HaRav Henkin to ask for mechila. So the sliach was told “I am mochel on the condition you give him the following message: As a Rebbe (as it is bay zey a Rebbe) he is too great a lamdan; as a Rov, he is too great a machmir.”
Please keep to the message.
Stop the complaints he doesn’t have smicha. By now he has a gilt edged (legally Photoshoped) document.
Focus on the eternal issues.
Fraud and “hiskashrus”. (Yes, we will be hearing that from him a lot, you can be sure.)
Approprite setting for a circus
All I can think of is that it was an appropriate setting for the circus to take place, in 770 with all the crazy Yechi signs and Yechi yarmulkas. The whole thing is completely phony and a laughing stock. Who are these outside “Rabbonim” who participated in the carnival? They must be getting paid good money to appear there with all the clowns. Nothing that took place there has anything to do with the real Lubavitch or real Yiddishkeit. Just a lot of hot air and fressing.
afilu malach hamaves kenisht oifton
I guess this is the sort of chassidishe farbrengen “vos ken oifton vos afilu malach hamaves ken nisht oifton”, a most quotable quote, coined a night earlier, l’kayem mah shekosuv: nibei v’eino yodea ma nibei.
If HaRav Osdoba asked to postpone the ceremony till the troubling doubts are dispelled, and then said not to attend when the organizers completely disregarded him, how did any one have the chutzpah to be there?
Make no mistake, this is a challenge to the Rebbe’s Nesius, because that was the Rebbe’s tzavaah to us,in the sicha of motzei Shabbos Terumah 5748, that the Rabbonim are the continuation of the Nesius, like Yehoshua. At present time Rav Osdoba is the zaken shebechaburah referred to in that sicha, the gravity of disregarding his words is immense.
And what were the words the Rebbe spoke in 5745, when someone tampered with the Rebbe’s Nesius (the seforim)? “a lebedike bombeh” – this is a time-bomb, may Hashem have rachmonus on all of us.
My Estimation
I would say there were around 250 people attending the Hachtoro (the rest were Bouchrim)
To comment 39
Are you one of those that call Crown Heightsers – “Farmers”?
The Rebbe called Crwon Heights “Kan Tzivah Hashem es Habrocho” for a reason!
Everyone has a tafkid, Shluchim AND Toisvei hashchuna!
, keresh, kesher, sheker
We’ve just learnt about Kesher – rebellion- oisiyos SHEKER. L’sheker ain raglayim. This whole House of Cards: fake semicha = fake rav will tumble. wait and see.
chayim yankel
Eli SLavin the big askin!!!
You look very lonely there ( sitting in between the 500 bochurim brought to fill the place up ) after all your brother had a pleasant time with braun in sydney!!!
You look very low key not near chanina licking his….
Why you so down??!!
Answer to 17
“17. SCHWEI – NO SIGN OF SIMCHA? wrote:
THIS IS A BIT OFF TOPIC, BUT HAS ANYONE EVER TAUGHT R. SCHWEI HOW TO PULL THE CORNERS OF HIS MOUTH UP TO HIS EARS AND GIVE A SMILE?
The answer is simple, Rabbi Schwei knows this is no Simcha for him, he knows that he’ll be Bruan’s first victim.
Help
The sign behind the table is a sad indication of this new member to the Bais Din. Funny I can’t even call him a Rabbi and I can call my brother and friends who are much younger Rabbis because they did the task of studying smicha and getting it. Time and time again I have seen arrogance make terrible Machlokes. So Crown heighters get ready. You are all to blame for voting for this man. I’m sure in Austrailia they are celebrating. Very Sad.
Please pass the ketchup
Great line
“בלוט זאל זיך גיסן נאר שלום זאל זיין” – שמעון דזשיגאן
הרב יוסף ישעי’ ברוין שליט“א – במעמד ההכתרה שלובשכונת קראון הייטס י”א שבט ה’תשע“א
For those who don’t understand Yiddish, her’s a quote from Harav Braun Shlit”a at his inaugural address at his installation as Rov in Crown heights: Blood should run, but peace there will be – Shimon Dzigan, Israeli comedian
This is the Rov I like, this man is well cultured and masters really everything, not only what small time Rabbis know. How refreshing.
someone who was there
What a sad day from Crown heights and the world at large
if you look at who was there and who was running the show you will realize it’s the same old devil dressed up differently now and all of you fell for it how sad
The Rebbe-s people
The CH community has slowly pushed out anyone who was anything in the Rebbes days, pushing out Rabbi Osdaba is the final nail in the coffin.
repeat a lie
why repeat teh matra: he dosnt ahve semicha?
Dinnt you hear teh new? ALL of the arguments being made Rabbi Osdobo, Reb Yoel, etc were brought up to the Zablo Beid Din. The Rabbonim listened to the arguments, then they set out to investigate the facts, and you know what their unanimous conclusion = daas torah was?
Rabbi Braun has and had semicha! and that recently he also got dayanus.
so who are you trying to sell the Brooklyn bridge to? you cannot accept that the psak din doesn’t assist your political agenda?
Do you think that if you repeat the same lie enough time. people will begin to believe you? get a life.
Rent a crowd?
Here are the simple facts as documented:
“9:02: The main shul of 770 Eastern Parkway is packed for the hachtara inauguration ceremony for Rabbi Yosef Yeshaya Braun”
“9:11 PM: Oholei Torah Zal was dismissed to go to the event. Rabbi Shmarya Roitblat told bochurim that ”the Rebbe wanted it to be b’rov an hadras melech.“ Bochurim were seen walking with him to 770”
question: how was 770 “packed” at 9:02 when the rent a crowd began when Hravo Roitblat dismissed the bochrim at 9:11? (and it also takes some time to walk over to 770)
time for him to put up
Did anyone notice how hendel slipped out the back?
This guy is unbelievable, he made this big mess, accomplished that there be a Hachtara he didn’t care that there was not one Crown Heights Moised represented at the event.
He did not care whether this Braun was qualified or not, he just wanted to hurt osdoba.
Now that there is real work to be done, like pay salaries fix the mess that resulted from this fight. Abra Cadabra he is gone.
He did the same thing by the Yeshivah mess. If you look at the way he operates, he always stays in the background so he is not responsible for any aftershocks or financial obligations.
The guy as big as you may think he is, has no real operation going where he is personally responsible. He some how gets these guys to cover for him. He did it with the oir Elozor menachem yeshivah also.
Anyway it’s time we put this guy up to task, and stop giving him a free ride.
To number 1
Keep it positive? Yes, ideally.
But how can we teach our children that it’s not okay to cheat their way through Yeshiva, when the rov got in that way?
Making “peace” with this whole load of nonsense is not in pursuit of Shalom, it’s a display of dishonesty, and laziness. We must deal with the matter appropriately.
If he wasn’t a mishechist, and didn’t win the election purely on that card, he would NOT be receiving the support he is. This is very biased support.
L’Havdil:
If he was Orenthal James the bus driver, he would be sitting in prison right now (I’m sure some of you get the reference).
Open-mind
To those who try to assume the new “rov” has communal approval based on the audience size last night.
In the past, when a rov joined the Badatz with less controversy (and hence, more communal approval) there was always a smaller crowd— per capita taken into account. So clearly “Rov approval” and number of attendees have no correlation. (And for the few people out there that took statistics I know that correlation does not prove causation, but as you can see I am including other variables, so thank you very much).
If one had time to conduct a proper single blind survey, it will reveal truthfully how people feel, rather than basing it on the size of the audience.
This is how you can do it: review all the comments, of all the articles on pertaining to this issue (for it to be valid, you must clearly list each article your data from. Once collected, count all the comments of approval and disapproval for the new “rov.” The people writing comments until now have done so without bias; since anonymous comments enables them to be honest. As well, not knowing it would be counted contributes to the survey. But one very important last element, you cannot include the comments posted after this one (including this one, since I know about the survey)—see time and date above my comment for cut off time. Naturally, once this is posted, a bias plays in; so all comments hereafter are disqualified from the survey. Once your groups know they are part of an experiment/survey, all data following is void—I’m sure you understand (in case you don’t, you can look up how research and surveys are conducted, or ask your educated Bais Rivkah sister or wife—at least someone in Lubavitch has an idea what the I’m talking about.
This will reveal more accurately the percentage of people who approve or disapprove of the new “Rov.” This method is a little more scientific than guessing :-).
To explain, there were many other reasons to attend the event, which had nothing to do with approval: I do not approve of the new “rov.” But if I was in Crown Heights, I would have gone to the event out of interest—not out of approval. In addition, there is the mishechist factor.
It’s surprising that people are ignoring the obvious–he only won because he’s a mishechist. Whether one likes Rabbi Bagomilsky or not, on the scale of Rov capabilities R. Braun doesn’t come close. It’s like comparing Mariano Rivera to John Franco—even in his heyday (sorry Mets’ fans). So naturally, this election started with a bias—having nothing to do with his ability as a Rov. So at this point, he needs his mishechist supporters.
The people who attended out of curiosity, and the mishechistim who attended out of support for a mishechist rov, would not have attended if it were a simpler election. That is why our survey is important, the crowd members had ulterior motives (sorry intellectual people for the repetition, but I know I need to clarify for some). Most people would have backed out of coming to an event that started so late—due to tiredness and the need to get up in the morning. Yet again, most mishechistim are unemployed—so maybe it works for that demographic.
ben-yehoshua
i have never seen such uncontrolled loshon hora ,rechilus,chutzpa, and absolute disrespect, as i have seen on this site today. it is absolutely imperative that sifrei chassidus , tanya, etc be supplemented with sefer shemiras haloshon in every home and it should be studied daily. they scream”meshiach now but they are pushing him away with all this loshon horoh. everyone knows that the long golus we are in started because of sinas chinom and loshon horoh
I would like to see
I would like to see three things: Obama’s birth Certificate, R’ Braun S’micha and Tamir’s Beard.
CH
What a sad bunch of rif raf!
yy
will he wear a shtreimel like the frierdiker rebbe or regular hat like the rebbe,
i doubt krinsky would give him the fridikr rebbes shtreimel but he can get one from his father & brothers.
Sorry
Crown Heights should just have two sets of everything, two sets of rabonim, two sets of vaad hakahol etc. The differences are way too deep, and there is no going back.
ben-yehoshua
it is well kno0wn that many semichas are not worth the paper that they are written on..Many gedolei hador had no official semicha. A few minutes of conversation with them would be more revaling than a dozen semichas.
Ben Reuven
Hundreds????? What about THOUSANDS!!!!!
By the way, I was also in Yeshiva with him and being a fellow Boro Parker, who became a Lubavitcher a few years after him. I spent many, many hours with him after the Rebbes fabriengens, sichois etc.
Chevre, you have for yourself an emmesse Chasidishe Rov!
Shliach in yehpetz, USA
zaki
Eli Slavin never met a camera he didnt like
to 42 a shliach
what gives you the chutspah to go and speak like that on a khilah kdoshah , your whole shlichos is nothing worth if you could talk like this, why dont you say your name and will see if rabbi cunin agrees with the way you talk.big mouth/
to shliach #42
Harsh—-But true
To RABBI MATTIS KANTOR
You previously wrote about the Din Torah you are preparing for the Bais Din Shel Maalah. You should include Rabbi Feldman from Sydney as one of your defendants. He had no right to withhold vital information about Y. Braun and thrust him upon CH, the Rebbe’s schuna, in his selfish desire to rid Sydney of him. After 120, R’ Feldman will have a lot of answering up to do….! Where is his Yiras Shamayim, his Ehrlichkeit, his devotion to the Rebbe?
A Man Of Halacha
He’s not my Rov and I certainly do not intend on listening to him. He deceived the whole community with his credentials, that’s a no-no in my book.
Real person
Where were the Jackson, gesheit, finberg, goldfarb or even heilman families ???? Oh wait they don’t count. I mean why didn’t the real people from CH show up???? The reason the others didn’t show up is because they were too drunk with pride or alcohol, you choose…
supper
To 53, Pass the ketchup…
100’s will always gather for free dinner on the house!
To # 70 # 42
You are partly right. Unfortunately most shlichim think this way.
It doesn’t matter what Shloime Cunin says. It’s still MUCH better
here in C.H. My shlichus has taken me to so many k’hillos and they
cannot say they are better off in RUCHNIOS than C.H. Be happy you
are in C.H., true, with all it’s problems, it’s still better and
HOLIER, thats for sure. Be grateful you are not in Ca., Fl., Pa., IL., Md., Mi., Co., N.J., Conn., Ma., etc., etc. They have no room
to talk. Thank G-D they only come to C.H. a couple of times a year
to eat & to have their picture taken, while they stick their hands
into their m’kurevim’s pockets. If they were only taking their money it wouldn’t be so bad, but they leave their neshamah’s EMPTY
also. Stay in Ca. & all those other places, we don’t need you here. I’M LOVIN IT
Take the smicha tests
Let him take the farheres like I and many others. Its what the rebbe wants. Its 5 tests for smicha 7 for dayonis. Then get Shimush. Even if it takes a year. Embaressing? yes. But the right thing to do for a self declared “chayel of the Rebbe”.
“Why do I need this?” answer 11 kids no job.
OR Another right thing to do is step down.
SHTREIMEL committee
the solution for CH is SHTREIMEL we need to get rav brown a big furry SHTREIMEL this will bring piece.
Shliach in California
TO:70 (and also 76)
I learned, lived and suported CH just as much as anyone, I know everything that goes on in the Kehilla Kedosha including the terrible tznius/sholom bayis/turned off youth issues. Nobody, except said wierdos has respect for anybody, there were years a couple couldnt get a Noshim Shaala paskened, the Rabbis have no experience. Rabbi Shvei was my Mesivta Teacher, when did he get shimush/
you walk into 770 and it has turned into a disgraceful circus with bug eyed whackos walking around dishevelled and zombie like. I will not let my children study there, it is the most dysfunctional community i’ve ever been too. One Shabbos I aquiesced and davvene at Bais Shmuel and I was reminded of the “fargrebte” Boro park young Israels we used to make fun of in 770. The women dress disgracefullly, The Rabbonim are a joke, A yungerman wants food stamps or heap he has t go to Willy.
I can go on and on but Im trying to be nice.
To #79 from #76
Still better in C.H. Fooling yourselves & your children. Problems
in C.H., yes, for SURE. Go to other kehilos and see how they lull
themselves to sleep with the status quo. The youth in C.H. want
change and they will get it. The elders have been asleep for so long, you cannot expect change to come from them. If you live with
the Geulah Shlaimah & MHM then you have at least some chance. Is it
still difficult yes, but at least you are still in the game. I don’t just like it here I’M LOVIN’ IT.