Just a week after we published the protest of a Rabbi in the Chabad community in Melbourne, Rabbi Tzvi Telsner against a handful of depraved and shameless individuals who disguise themselves as Chassidim, that took it upon themselves to cancel the fast of Asara B’Teves and to celebrate it as a holiday – Rabbi Gedalia Axelrod, Chabad Rabbi in Haifa, a letter unprecedented in its sharpness against these groups who willfully shame themselves in Chabads name.
Snowball Effect: R. Axelrod against Zimroni Tzik – Radicals
Just a week after we published the protest of a Rabbi in the Chabad community in Melbourne, Rabbi Tzvi Telsner against a handful of depraved and shameless individuals who disguise themselves as Chassidim, that took it upon themselves to cancel the fast of Asara B’Teves and to celebrate it as a holiday – Rabbi Gedalia Axelrod, Chabad Rabbi in Haifa, a letter unprecedented in its sharpness against these groups who willfully shame themselves in Chabads name.
Two days later a second letter followed with Rabbi Axelrod calling not to attend an event that Zimroni Tzik is organizing for Tes Shvat, saying that he was told personally that Tzik has a custom to eat on fast days and though he doesn’t recommend other do so, rather he refers them to certain Sichos of the Rebbe and tells them to draw their own conclusions.
The following is a translation of the letter to Zimroni Tzik:
In the matter of the keness Mr. Zimroni Tzik would like to hold on [Sunday] 9 Shevat in the auditorium at Tel Aviv University, following my letter of yesterday I hereby notify the congregation that I spoke today with two prominent Chabad figures shlita, and they told me they personally heard Mr. Zimroni say he eats on Asoroh Beteves and the other fasts Chazal established, and when people ask how they should conduct themselves he does not instruct them to follow his example, but refers them the holy sichos and tells them to examine them in order to determine what to do, Rachmono litzlan.
Likewise he has done away with Simon 131 in Orech Chaim, Rachmono litzlan, removing Nefilas Apoyim from his tefilloh. In general, he holds that neither a rov nor the Shulchon Oruch determines his conduct.
Advertisement:I can attest that his hashkofoh regarding emunoh in the Oneness of Hashem Yisborach contains heresy and apikorsus, like that of his close friend, Mr. Shmuel Frummer.
Since loyal Chabad members are influenced by him and some have fallen into severe decline as a result, he is considered ‘machti es harabbim’ and is the greatest enemy of Melech Hamoshiach.
His ways are closely reminiscent of the cult of Shabsai Tzvi, sheim reshoim yirakev, and where it may lead, no one can know.
According to halochoh, he should be excommunicated – cherem and niddui – if he does not repent, and he must be removed from our community. As such, with a torn and burning heart I hereby issue a call to carefully avoid these evildoers.
Under no circumstances should one attend the above mentioned keness, which is the exact opposite of gatherings of tzaddikim.
Because not a single rabbi is participating in his event, he has invited the illustrious Rav Kalmanson shlita from the US to speak at the event, and I hereby urge him to avoid the event, and he will receive great reward for doing so.
MHM
Let it be known that he too is a Moshiachist. What does that say?
Chaim
Notice to Rabbi Axelrod, Rabbi Telsner and all other Moshiachisten:
There is a famous saying:
“THE BED THAT YOU MAKE THAT”S THE BED YOU SLEEP IN”!
Don’t come crying now…..
Nachman
Great!
Does that mean that these people who will participate in Zimrony’s kinus, including Frumer and Pizem, will be considered certified Ovdei Avodah Zarah by all?
antimesira
Mishichistim (ye, all of you)are trying to deal with the monster they created.
Good luck.
For 15 years the mishichist movement/cult has been brainwashing its followers not to listen to anybody/authority. You think they will listen to there once fellow mishichistim.
There all the same. there is a reason a person was drown to mishistim to begin with. That reason will never chance. If it wasn’t mishichistim it would be something else. They are sick people.
round and round we goooo
What goes around comes around, Now clean up your own mess!
Rabbi Axelrod head of the Haifa Rabbinical court reading Rabbinic Ruling that the Lubavitcher Rebbe is Moshiach Recorded in 1998.
http://www.youtube.com/watc…
Anti CULT
rabbi axelrod / telsner and company
listen to what torah say to you. not me the torah .
YOU are the Yerovom ben nevot choite umachti es horabim
YOU created a cult to destroy lubavitch .
i dont see any wrong doing from the people who eat on asoro beteves any more than hanging yechi signs.
you cant have it two ways . if you preach that moshiach is here than everyone should eat on asoro beteves but if thy are wrong for eating YOU are wrong for all this 15 years brain washing the poor bt’s with all your crap.
enough is enough YOU leaders of the cult created the monster and now it bites ? it dose not look good on you tube ?
what happend ? YOU are the people who created a cult and drove so many of our kids away from yidishkeit.
this is too litle too late.
THANK YOU CROWNHEIGHTS.INFO for bringing it to out attention dont let this cult leaders get away from the fire now by paying leap services.
if to make a shvil in 770 is ok and if the many signs hanging in 770 is ok EATING on ASORO BETVES is ok as well.
SHVIL770
WHAT about all the meshugas goign on on 770?
shvil, dollars, etc/
me...
shame on all of you,,,,, look here in 770
what is going on, women removing their sheitels
but there are meshistim…. what a real bousha!!!!
common sense
I refer you to the famous sicha by the rebbe regarding meditation, the rebbe brings forth the gemara that says “if people worship the sun, shouldn’t it be outlawed?”
Kol hakavod to these rabanim that stand up, for eating on 17th tamuz your maybe chayav makos.. for not saying tachanun your a shmuck..but these rabanim stood up and drew the line.
P.S. and then you guys all lynch those trying to correct tznius issues.. the hypocrisy I see here is laughable… meshichistim is worse than tznius ?
before it too late!
Look alex Lenoard(one of the individuals in melbourne celebrating 10th teves) in aussie land wants to open a “kosher Chazir shop”. He is just looking for a “chassidishe Shochet”.
Rabbis Axelrod & Telsner realize their jobs are on the line if they don’t speak up.
Shlomo Yisroelson
Men Chapt Zich Nisht
If we would be honest we would see this latest attempt by people who go against the Rebbe and all that is dear to Him, for what it is.
It’s like the anti “zionists” saying we are not anti semites“, these radicals are taking this ”to far”.
Its not a matter of cleaning up a mess, they are the mess and plan to continue making more and more mess, unrepentintely!
Shmoer Shomayim! When will ge it!
The mishichist movement was, is and always will be a cult-group, sepertae of the Rebbe, seperate of Lubavitch, seperate of Yidishkeit.
While it’s true that it’s a rachmonos af di kinder that get caught up into it, make sure that yours don’t b/c you will not be able to control/direct the extent of where the cult will lead him/her.
Der Aibishter zul rachmunus huben af unz aleh!
A gutteh vuch
pot calling the kettle black
axelrod is a fanatical meshichist himself
Vayiftach Hashem Es Pi HaShor Habor
Horav Zimroney Tzik’s Kinus will be Jam Packed and this will prove that the “OX” (OX’il-rod) has no power and no influence in the eyes of All those who W I L L attend Zimroni’s Kinus.
The SHOR NAGACH speaks
I gurantee you that Horav Zimroney Tzik’s Kinus will be filled to capacity inspite of what the OX writes in his Machlokes Making Letters
SHOW DOWN
This will now be a SHOW DOWN – like a NO CONFIDENCE VOTE.
The voters will decide now, if the OX-ilrod is right of if Rabbi Zimroni Tzik is right.
The vote will be cast by attendance. All those who will attend Zimroni’s Kinus will prove that they consider the OX nothing more than merely a loose cannon.
Cincinnati Chasid
So did Rabbi Kalmanson respect the psak din of the Rav and refuse to attend the Zik Kenes in Israel??
Let’s see Rabbi Kalmanson’s true colors. We are waiting…
A SHOR is Darkoy Lehazik
With all the tragedies, we need more Machlokes?
Oxelrod has nothing better to do than to mix in his nose in to a different city where he has no Rabbinical Authority and No Rabbinical jurisdiction, not in Tel Aviv where the Kinus is and not in Bat Yam where Zimroni resides.
ceo
lets all act like respectable Jews now. just step back and take a look at this, really.
ceo
I think by going public on this, he IS cleaning up the mess. It takes a respectable man to admit a conntction to a mistake
so sad
wow – what a shocker
MaddinBklyn
It lives! It lives!
These are the people who created their frankensteins and the cry when their frankensteins do what frankenstiens will do……
Snag
Dear antimesira,
Lubavitchers (ye, all of you)are trying to deal with the monster they created.
Good luck.
For 60 years the Lubavitch movement/cult has been brainwashing its followers not to listen to anybody/authority.
There all the same. there is a reason a person was drown to Lubavitch to begin with. That reason will never chance. If it wasn’t Lubavitch it would be something else. They are sick people.
(BTW, I’m a Lubavitcher – Just trying to show you where your warped “logic” can take you…)
dovid
its time to stop all forms of messianism
david
mazel tov the yechi sign in melbourne will be down in the next few days the shul will start filling up again thanks rabbi. telzner well done keep up the good work
PhillyDude
yup many signed that embarrasing declaration – the one which was a no brainer – not necessary – waste of energy/wrong issue to publicize document ye ye you know which one we mean –
…can everyone just concentrate on what the rebbe really wanted without sugar coating it to your own selfish content or reasoning?
Some very bright minds signed on – Simpson was one I doubt him and many others would sign it again in hindsight ;/
a neighborhood resident
Is it any wonder the tragedies continue R“l Yes Harav Axelrod is correct in his words unfortunately but, to paint all” meshichistim as nuts etc? that is ten times worse.The Rebbe brought down in many sichos each week over the years inyanim & connections with Moshiach including that he is Moshiach & it is all based upon torah!!However The Rebbe also taught us to follow Shulchan Aruch LOet’s be real stop the hate! those who go against Shulchan Aruch are going against the Rebbe!It is the Job of the Rabbonim & the Rabbonim alone yto deal with these individuals & guide us! Not once Did I ever here rav Kalmanson tell people to go against Shulchan Aruch!!R“L!! Ad MosaiAl you haters out there wake up!!! look around you what is happening!!!Enough families have suufeered Don’t ad fuel to the fire! If you don’t think or believe that the Rebbe is MH”M that is your right! but don’t go & publicly hate demean others who do!! read the Rebbe’s sichos for yourself! talk to your Mashpiah to your Rav & ask them to guide you open your eyes as to the basis of our belief Learn the sources Such as Sanhedrin 97a where we see a clear halachic basis for saying the Rebbeis MH”M or how about in The first Farbrengen of the Rebbe as Rebbe Yud Shevat 5711???? Stop the nonsense the hate on both sides!
anti cult
to the a neighborhood resident
Meshchissim and moschiach have no connections.
and yes ALL maschchissim are nuts and do not belive in torah or shulchan oruch.
the is a hate cult hate everyone who dont go by your rules
wake up and see around you ALL this hate .
comcern
what about all the tzfatim that hold that the Rebbe is Hashem?
what about “moreinu yotreinu”?
is not this against halacha?
PPL who promote these ideas
are not “machti es harabbim?
what about the shvil, dollars, etc, are not these hanogos leading ppl to these practices?
Don-t lump so many together!
B“H
Please don’t lump nut cases — like this group in Australia and the ”Tzvasnikim” who beat up people, break legs, make up lies to the secular legal system, etc. — with the rest of Chassidim worldwide (not just Lubavitchers!) who follow Rambam’s Hilchos Melachim, and view their Rebbes as Moshiach until proven otherwise.
Some Anti posts are unfair!
The above-mentioned nut cases (from Australia) are one extreme to be rooted out.
But esteemed teachers like Rabbi Kalmenson — and others of his stature such as Rabbi S. Majeski, the Rabbis from the Groner family, Rav Schwei, etc. — are NOT any part of this problem!
Please don’t insult these esteemed Rabbis, and those who are likeminded to them — and don’t make a Chillul Lubavitch out to be bigger than it really is — by picking on Rabbi Kalmenson, etc.!!!!
Antis are feeding the SNAGS
The SNAGS are just eating up you the venom spewed by you “antis”. All of us are against the nut cases in Australia and the “Tzvasnikim”.
Please don’t polarize things more by adding people like Rabbi Kalmenson into that category, who don’t belong there!
Zimroni tzik may be in you
If you do the following you be following the ways of Zimroni Tzik:
Cite the Rebbe’s actions and words or your understanding of halacha to ignore instructions of Rabbanonim and Shulchan Aruch (as if they contradict) in order to:
Daven after Chatzos
Shower after shkia
Make Kidush on Mashke
Skip tachnun when you hear the word “chosson”
and many other similar actions
REMOVE ZIMRONI FROM YOURSELF
To Cincinnati Chosid
Horav Hagoan Sholom Ber Kalmanson is the head shaliach to Southern Ohio, a great talmid chochom, and mora d’asra of chabad in the region.
R’ Kalmanson is NOT bound by any proclamations from Rabbi Axlerod, and WILL be attending as guest speaker!!
Eating on a ta’anis is “small potatoes” in the bigger picture of being megaleh Melech Ha’moshiach.
R’ Kalmanson – WILL attend and will publicly cut up the proclamation from R’ Axlerod to a mass audience!!!!
To Cincinnati Chasid
Horav Hag’ Sholom Ber Kalmonson does not need to follow any psak from R Axelrod. R’ Kalmonson knows what he is doing and has the playtzers to attend and speak the truth. R Kalmonson is the Head Shaliach of Southern Ohio and a talmid chochom, a Rov, and a wise chosid. He WILL attend the kinus and WILL not be nispoel from terror tactics.
antimesira
To snag:
Your a mishichist pretending to be a Lubavitcher (making you a real snag to chabad and everything the Rebbe stands for)..
YOUR logic is totally off balance. Chabad goes back over 200 years with Rabbayim, Chassdis/Torah/Shulchan Aruch etc…When has mishichistim started etc…
I can write and write till im blue in the face, but we all know it’s a waist of time. You and the likes of you will always justify and excuse this type of behavior. You and your type also justify Mesira etc… your so called “logic’ is mishichist propaganda, the same propaganda we have been hearing for the last 15 years.
Mishichistim are Liberals
“Liberals are liberals first. They’re partisans first, whatever else they are. If they’re feminists, they’re still liberals first. If they’re animal rights nuts, they’re liberals first. If they are the hoaxers of climate change and global warming, they are liberals or socialists first — and the issues that they attach themselves to are simply their springboards, their jumping-off points for advancing liberalism and statism”.
Rush Limbaugh
The same applies to mishichistim. They are mishichistim because they are liberals (sick people), “the cause” or so called “believe” (Rebbe/Moshiach etc…) comes after.
Even now (in these comments) you see how the mishichist does not shone these people, instead he tries to clear HIS name and continuous with mishichist propaganda. In other words. Mishichistim is a political party that has nothing to do with any believe system. The so called believe (Emuna) comes only after.
PS
(david wrote:)Yechi sign will never come down, IF YOU DON’T
LIKE YOU CAN LEAVE
some TORAH sources!!!
Since you sound open minded i think you deserve a crash course (that is by no means complete!)
hear are some pertinent CHAZALs to help clear up the confusion:
CHAZAL: Dor Moshiach’s neshamos are gilgulim of Dor Hamidbar.
CHAZAL: Dor Acharon’s Emuna (b’divrei moshe) will be tested as was Dor Rishon’s fath
CHAZAL: Geulas Moshiach will follow the same pattern as Geulas Mitzrayim.
CHAZAL: Moshe Rabeinu proclaims the good news “pokod pokadety”
CHAZAL: Moshe’s words fall on deaf ears! Most of bnei yisroel don’t believe moshe! Only a handful take his words literally!
CHAZAL: Mosheh takes off, He disappears, Galus then gets even darker, more difficult…
CHAZAL: Most jews disbelieved HIS words bc of the continued and increased darkness of Galus, and the apparent absence off moshe
CHAZAL: Suddenly Moshe Returns, and leads the jews out of Galus,
CHAZAL: NOW ALL jews believed!
CHAZAL: the same pattern will unfold b’Dor Acharon, with the Revelation of Moshiach and the ultimate Geulah
CHAZAL: (stage of NIGLA ) first moshiach is be revealed, but on a small scale. at that time he will proclaim “anovim higia zman geulaschem”
see what the RASHAB says
not to elaborate!
see how the Rashab teitshes “CHERFU IKVOS MESHICHECHO”
LEARN INYONEI GEULAH UMOSHIACH
Rabbi Shlomo Majasky (a chabadzker talmid chacham) has made a likut of those Torah-sources you mentioned + 100 other Torah sources (focussed on all known Halacha, Medrash, Agadeta and Kabbalah) on the subject!
he was directed by the REBBEH to study all jewish sources pertaining to Mashiach n Geulah.
he has been researching this topic for 20 years!! (since1989)
his UnEdited collection (Booklet) of relevant Torah sources has yet to be contested or refuted by any Rav!!
so good luck! on your correct approach!! we need more like yourself to frame the discussion as a DAAS-TORAH based discussion! not P.C. or Xristian etc!
so all who wish to discover the EMES (as defined by TORAH-SOURCES) must do so only via “Learning-Inyanei-Moshiach-U’Geulah”
hershell
please for the rebbes kovad stop yechi and moshiac learn from rabbi telzner who is taking the yechi sign down thats the only way all the idiots who hurt the rebbe will stop if the yechi would never been up in melb you would never have these problems like people eat on a fast days etc etc
wantMoshiachnow!
The bottom of these comments says the solution – Friendship Circle is winning – the Shemtovs aren’t a part of these Moshiachist debates. They know the right ways to connect to the Rebbe this yud shevat.
Chaim Hershkop
I have a simple question for all the mishichistim writing comments here (Justifying and excusing).
What do you make of the six ‘mishichist’ Bochrim whom only a few weeks ago testified in a viscous Mesira on six hard working, family members of our community. Did you come out against them. Find me one (using your words) “prominent” mishichist Mashpia/Rosh Yeshiva/leader or even just a regular “modrate” (eveyday guy) mishichist who came out against this mesira/bllod libel/Chillul Hashem and what not?
In fact, only days after these mossrim (may they have a Missa Mishuna) testified in court, your official mishichist web site went ahead and featuerd the mossrim on your mishichist site
http://chabad.info/index.ph…
Lets not forget the viscous post they posted when this case went to trial (justifying and excusing this blood libel).
How many Mishichistim were praying that the Shomrim Six end up in jail?
How many would have rejoiced and pronounced that glorious day, had it g-d forbid happened, as a Chag Hagiula?
How many mishichistim were disappointed when Baroch Hashem the Shomrim Six were acquitted?
How many mishichistim praying as we speak that the one Shomrim volunteer that did get charged with a misdemeanor get jail time tomorrow g-d forbid?
Where was Groner? Where was Kalmenson? Where was Simson? Where was Shcwei? Where were you?
Yes, All Mishichistim are mossrim!!!
lets bring chabad back to yiddishkeit
“and view their Rebbes as Moshiach until proven otherwise”.
whoever wrote that comment is a shoiter.
Who else runs around saying their rebbe is moshiach today besides chabad?
“until proven otherwise” – surely that means until they pass away like the rambam paskens. or are you one of the crazies who thinks the rebbe is hiding in the bahamas
The Truth
So this is where the free thinking logical minds of today express themselves!
Firstly, to blame the actions of one person/group on a Rabbi etc. is just plain ludicrous! These people have no free choice?! They do it themselves no matter who or what talks to them. I personally know the rebel group from Australia and the do whatever they like with total disregard for authority.
Secondly if this group doesn’t listen to Rabbonim how can they Rabbonim be blamed for making them in the first place. Yoiu can’t have it both ways!
Thirdly, You think the Rabbis made people Moshicistin ?! The Rebbe himself spoke about believing your Rebbe is Moshiach!
You are all too gutless to leave Lubavitch because you can’t tow the party line! Get with the program or get out!
LEARN INYONEI GEULAH UMOSHIACH
#1 the Talibnix-tzifatim dont represent 99% of normal-mishichistim
99% of mishichistim would NEVER DO MESIRA on another YID!
99% of mishichistim are also against violating halacha
99% of mishichistim still follow the REBBEH’s TAKANAH of “ASEY_LECHA_RAV”
99% of mishichistim are polight respectful and decent functional contributers to society
it is very unfortunate that the CRAZIES are the ones making all the noise…
u ACCUSE the mishichistim of being “partisan-first” and “EMUNA” is only an excuse!
…
so what!
if the a hypocrite says a true statement does the truth become FALSE or WRONG???
whats your point by accusing the mishichistim of being party-oriented, does their “claimed” belief become less acceptable to TORAH or SICHOS!
as far as drawing a CLEAR DISTINCTION between their belief and BREAKING HALACHA! this is purely a result of the LEFT celebrating and gloating over the mishiguyim -trying to brand all the mishichistim as AGAINST HALACHA or OVER THE EDGE
this is our test “ALYOIVESH MIPNEI HAMALIGIM”
Good old days
In the old days “Rabbi” Kalmanson was in Montreal. He was expelled from running any moisad there. Along his travels, he ended in Cleveland. He was expelled from there. In Cincinnati he was able to expell many a shaliach he didn’t like – a long list, including an entire yeshiva, and he drove a senior Lubavitch Rov into the next world.
But those were the “old days”.
Today he drives Lubavitch – stright off the cliff.
HELP!!!
HELP!!!! LISTEN TO YOUR LOCAL ORTHODOX RABBI! MAY THE AIBISHTER HAVE RACHMONOS ON HIS YIDDISHE KINDERLACH AND TAKE US OUT OF GOLUS IMMEDIATELY NOW WITH MOSHIACH TZIDKAINU! AD MOSAI??? WE ARE ALL SUFFERING IN THIS LONG GOLUS TOGETHER LET’S BEG THE AIBISHTER TO TAKE US OUT NOW AND THEN ALL THESE DIFFERENCES WILL FALL BY THE WAYSIDE
LET US NOT FORGET WE WANT MOSHIACH NOW!!! AND IF WE WOULD SAY IT WITH AN EMES WE WOULD REACH OUR GOAL! REMEMBER THE BAIS HAMIKDOSH SHEYIBANEH BIMHEIRAH BIYAMAINU!IT’S WAITING TO DESCEND. NO JEW WILL BE LEFT BEHIND.
Non lubavitcher
BTW the guy in Australia is an ex satmar chossid (these hungarians are just kanoyim).
770
rabbi zik has the full the support of rabbi sb volpo a man whom the rtebbe entrusted with life and death issues of millions of Jews if you mess with zik your messing with volpo!
Shifra Chana Hendrie
People, we need to look inside ourselves and find what’s not reflecting the Torah and the Rebbe – and yemos HaMoshiach. Inside YOU is the only place you can truly have an effect.
All the rest is a distraction…
Remember what the Baal ShemTov said… that the world is our mirror, other people are our mirror, to show us ourselves.
The world is on the verge of Redemption… we can only influence whether it’s through darkness or light.
Please don’t be distracted by the illusion that it’s someone else’s job.
To Let-s bring... from Don-t lump...
B“H
Dear ”Let’s bring Chabad back“,
Read your Rambam again (or perhaps for the first time?):
”until proven otherwise“: No, not ”until they pass away,“ as you mistakenly think that Rambam paskens. See Rambam’s Yad HaChazakah — the uncensured edition — where Rambam asserts that if a presumed Moshiach ”was killed“ [therefore NOT ”surely…until they pass away,“ as you mistakenly think Rambam paskens — also see Hilchot Melachim, 11:3], that would be one sign that a formerly ”presumed Moshiach“ is not ”definitely Moshiach“.
[Incidentally, that’s the clear argument to make when Christians assert their claims about who they think Moshiach is — Yashke was killed, not merely passing away.]
[Similarly, in Hilchot Melachim, 11:3, Rambam reminds us that Rabbi Akiva and all of the sages of his generation supported Bar Kochbah, describing him as the Messianic King. This support continued until Bar Kochba was killed. Rabbi Akiva and all of the other sages of the generation were not exactly ”crazies“!]
And as for your question about the Bahamas, no, I didn’t know that anyone would think such an off-the-wall thing. To accept that the seventh Lubavitcher Rebbe is a ”presumed Moshiach“ doesn’t mean that you have to ignore or deny Gimel Tammuz, as I just explained above.
Concerning your first question: Our Lubavitch Rebbeim have done so much to ”bring Chabad back to Yiddishkeit“ (as we all desire), for example, reviving the areinfirinish, which had come into decline in America by the time the Frierdiker Rebbe and the seventh Rebbe arrived in America.
Another example of their efforts is the push to get Yidden to really learn their Rambam, a sentiment I echoed above.
It IS Yiddishkeit to view someone as a ”possible Moshiach“ when there is a leader who leads the Jewish people to a more complete observance of Torah and Mitzvot. (See, again Hilchot Melachim, 11:3 — at the beginning of the verse.)
Are you now going to deny the successive successes of the Chabad Rebbeim in this feat, particularly all that’s been accomplished, and is still being accomplished, by the efforts of the seventh Lubavitcher Rebbe?
Chabad has a history of reviving many parts of Yiddishkeit that some other groups (including our own) have de-emphasized or even tossed aside in the past. So, following Rambam’s teachings on the laws of Moshiach is NOT an antiquated thing to be forgotten, as you imply (”who else…besides Chabad?“).
The Frierdike Rebbe is well known for reminding Yidden the ”America iz nit Anderish“ — Jews are to be Torah-True at all times and in all places.
Brother — fellow Yid — today is Yud Shvat, a very auspicious day, and an excellent opportunity to get the facts straight. Please put your fangs back in, and get back to your learning!
With Ahavas Yisroel,
”Don’t lump so many together“
PS — I hope you really read this!
PPS — I’m as distressed as you are, by this nut case group from Australia, and by the ”Tzvasnikim”!
To Good Old Days
Good old days wrote:
In the old days “Rabbi” Kalmanson was in Montreal. He was expelled from running any moisad there. Along his travels, he ended in Cleveland. He was expelled from there. In Cincinnati he was able to expell many a shaliach he didn’t like – a long list, including an entire yeshiva, and he drove a senior Lubavitch Rov into the next world.
But those were the “old days”.
Today he drives Lubavitch – straight off the cliff.
YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT!!
IN THE “GOOD OLD DAYS” HE WAS CALLED “BAL BAYA ACHAS”!!!!!
a real chosid
i completely concur with the remarks that these are the unintended consequences of idiotic behaviour of all meshischists in the first place.there is NO BIGGER MISNAGED THAN A MESHICHIST.he completely destroys everything the rebbe built.i hope this will descredit all idiot meshichists.
Yechi sign is coming down in Melbourne !
R. Telsner you have gotten yourself in a rut.
Now I hear they are getting signatures for a petition to take down Yechi sign in Yeshiva.
If Groner & Telsner team does not honor the petition. The community’s team will respond accordingly.
Lakewood & Monsey & ANTI MESIRA
i have cusins in chacbad!
i know at least 10 chabaskers who believe their Rebbi is moshiach!
and they dont seem crazy or shaming the name of the Rebbe!
they also follow halacha and daas-tora behidur!
so until i see for my self a chabadnik who is crazy or a so called “ANTI” i will remain convinced that the real debate is between those who believe their rebbeh’s words literally and those who are trying to cover it up bec they lack emunas tzadikim!
as for myself, i’m not a chossid, but i don’t think a jew should do “MESIRA” on another fellow jew!
if he does! the “mishichists” should excommunicate them from chabad! for bringing shanda to the entire mishichist ideology by association!
TO: mr Lakewood & Monsey
thank you for your thoughtful comments!
i agree with you 100% re Mesira
it defames the normal mishichist just as a few m’shugeners eating against halacha
it should not tornish the halacha abiding normal mishichists like my self who dont feel represented by the “tzifatim” and halacha knockers!
thanks to chinfo to allow the fonies to be differenciated from the 99% who are normal and mentchlich and care about behaving in accordance with the HUGE responsibility to be b’ofen hamiskabel!
To Lakewood & the World
hey guys, all of u, chill!!
rather than debate the issues here, why not Do what the Rebbeh asked us to
1) All mitzvos behidur (ie a bit nicer than yesterday)
2) Learn inyonei moshiach
3) The last sicha was “AHAVAS YISROEL!!!
4) Dont make a move re eating on a fast without a ”RAV”
5) Re all matters, the Rebbeh gave his guarantee if you ask a mashpia, instead of going on your own DAAS!
thanks to CHIMFO for allowing ppl a forum to VENT!
its really therapeutic!
Yechi sign is not coming down
Yechi sign will never come down,all signatures for a petition IF YOU DON’T
LIKE IT THEY CAN LEAVE.
THE ORGANISATION RUN BY Rabbi Groner Rabbi Telsner and Rabbi Glick
only here! on chinfo = HALF_BAKED_HOSID
u guys really know how to get them going,
i gained a lot of sympathy for the ANTIs
…More respect for the mishichistim
and a clearer picture of how ALL normal chabadniks (ANTIs and Ms) despise the tzfatim-mosrim’s way against halacha and against bitul to RABBONIM!
i have stdudied in chabad for half of my education and care deeply for the Rebbe’s kavod which is Not served by ANTIs knocking ALL M’s as crazies, but rather explaining that the Torah allows this belief and you gotto respect any view supported by Torah even if you dont personally go by it!
Yoske
I Know Kalmanson from his days in Montreal. Nobody ever threw him out of Montreal. It would be nice if you know what your are talking bout before you open your mouth. Stam Haken a Tchinik is not a good thing especially in our days with so much tragedy happening.