Reports that a breakaway group from Melbourne Yeshiva had been ex-communicated have been denied by the Yeshiva’s Rabbi.
Alex Leonard is a member of Melbourne-based group Honk4Joy which believes that the late Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem Mendel who died in 1994, is the Messiah and that the thrid temple “is ready and waiting in heaven”.
Rabbi Denies Melbourne Group is ex-Communicated
Reports that a breakaway group from Melbourne Yeshiva had been ex-communicated have been denied by the Yeshiva’s Rabbi.
Alex Leonard is a member of Melbourne-based group Honk4Joy which believes that the late Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem Mendel who died in 1994, is the Messiah and that the thrid temple “is ready and waiting in heaven”.
The group which waves flags and dances in suburban Caulfield every morning and evening, urging motorists to “honk for joy” posted a video on YouTube showing themselves celebrating and feasting on the 10th of Tevet, the anniversary of the beginning of the siege of Jerusalem by the Babylonians which culminated in the destruction of the First Temple. This a dawn to dusk Fast Day for Jews.
Rabbi Tzvi Hirsch Telser, spiritual head of the Melbourne Yeshiva issued a statement in which he said:
“I therefore wish to state unequivocally and to emphasise in the strongest manner that the above actions, being as they are contrary to the explicit rulings of Chazal and Shulchan Oruch, are totally unacceptable at any time or in any place. That the perpetrators of such misguided deeds should then endeavour to make their behaviour known all over the world, constitutes a massive and reckless Chillul Hashem which can have no justification. In addition, these actions do not represent that philosophy and way of life taught by Chabad Chassidus, in any way or form. They are totally contrary to the wishes and directives of the Rebbe and those who carry on his holy work. To present such conduct as being in accordance with the Rebbe’s teachings and message is a complete fabrication, and can only serve to destroy the good name of Chabad in the general community.
In light of the above, I find it necessary to rule that until the perpetrators of these deeds stand before a Beis Din of three Rabbonim, and seek forgiveness and correction of that which they have done, they are to be ostracized by all members of the community. They cannot be counted as part of a minyan (for davening) or mezuman (for bentsching), and one may not answer Amen after their Brochos. They cannot be given a Aliyah to the Torah or honoured with any other Mitzvah (see Shulchan Oruch, Yoreh Deah Ch. 334 Para 2). Similarly, one should not speak to them or have any business dealings with them.
Reports on orthodox web sites claimed that Rabbi Telsner had issued a charem on the group…but he denied this to J-Wire today saying “As far as I know, a charem has not been imposed on anyone for 200 years. This is a Shamta, the explanation of which is self-evident from the statement I made. No-one is named. We are simply responding to this group’s activities.”
But Leonard told J-Wire: “I understand that the notice has been placed on the wall of the Yeshiva Shule which I do not go to. But if we have been ex-communicated, no-one has told us! So as far as I am concerned, I have not been the subject of a charem. One has not been served on me. My understanding is that we are supposed to be summoned to the Beth Din but there has not been a word…indeed I am told that the notice in the Shule does not mention names.”
Leonard told J-Wire he had once been a member of the Yeshiva congregation but that was over two years ago. He added: “We are not in this community and have nothing to do with them.”
NOT CHABAD
“We are not in this community and have nothing to do with them.”
They dont associTE THEMSELVES WITH LUBAVITCH NOR SHOUOLD WE
LUBAVITCHER
“which believes that the late Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem Mendel who died in 1994, is the Messiah and that the thrid temple “is ready and waiting in heaven”.”
THIS IS OUR BELIEVE!!! AND NOT TO BELIEVE SO IS AGAINST CLEAR SICHOS FROM THE REBBE!!!
On the other hand eating on a Taanis is against clear Halacha.
DON’T PUT THEM SIDE BY SIDE!!!
Milhouse
J-Wire (a very amateurish Australian web site) is playing silly word games.
1. There is no such word as “ex-communicated”.
2. R Telsner never denied excommunicating (note the lack of a hyphen) these people; he denied issuing a CHEREM, which nobody but some fools like J-Wire ever claimed he had done. In his original statement he gave an exact siman and se’if in shulchon oruch; did nobody bother looking it up?! Anyone who did so would have known exactly what he was talking about, and that it wasn’t and couldn’t be a cherem.
All J-Wire did was attach the word “cherem” to R Telsner’s statement, then get him to deny that word, and then mistranslate it into English in order to create a sensational story where none exists.
Of course any Lubavitcher would already have known that R Telsner couldn’t possibly have issued a cherem, because Lubavitch has for 200 years been solidly against the use of cherem for ANYBODY. We all know the story of the Alter Rebbe in this regard. Only an idiot would imagine that R Telsner would be the first in 200 years to issue a cherem, and for such a relatively trivial matter!
Problem
Rabbi Telsner – himself being a Moshiachist – is part of the problem. Just like he and the rest of the Moshiacistn “interpert” the Rebbe’s Sichos for their new beleif, and come up with new hymns etc., so too this group also made their interpetation and thus came up with their conclusions. So it’s basicly THE SAME THING!
shimon
I find it intriguing that a bunch of gossip-mongers in the U.S.A , believe that they know enough of whats going on here, that they not only can comment on the matter but, apparently , know exactly why this happened and are able to put blame on people they don’t know or have never seen.
If you all wouldn’t be so concerned about forgetting your problems by,misguidedly, proving to yourselves that other places are nuts , CH might be a great place to raise a family again !
the REBBE S WAY to clarity...
when a chassid has a question of “interpretation” a chassid goes to a RAV & MASHPIA!!
this is the Rebbe’s guaranteed way to receive the “REBBE”S“ answer!
the problem with the ELOKISTIM (EATERS) is ”YESHUS“!!
they really on their-own ”DAAS“
dismissing the REBBE’s horaa of ”ASSEY_LECHA_RAV”
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re The Rebbeh-as-Moshiach“ to be soon revealed-be’gegula etc
this belief is the ”UNDISPUTED“ BELIEF (INTERPRETATION) OF ALL MASPIIM IN LUBAVITCH!!!
I CHALLANGE YOU ALL TO FIND EVEN ONE SINGLE MASHPIA WHO LEARNT NUN-ALEF-NUN-BEIS TO CONCLUDE OTHERWISE
THE ONLY ”RABBIS” WHO DONT BELIEVE ARE PURELY TOO BIZZY TO HAVE READ-ALL THE 1000+ PAGES OF SICHOS + INYONEI-GEULA on the times we live in!
sichos = mishichist NOT elokist!
all meshichistim know the HUGE differance between, these mishugoyim and the 99% of Normal-chabad/mishichistim
live next door
firstly, why are you reprinting articles from the Newish Jews?
Secondly as another comment wrote what they were saying was true but what they were doing was not. We STILL have to follow halacha till after Moshiach comes and the RABONIM say we can now change the rules
dovid h
i was told the yechi sign will be down before shabbat
a neighborhood resident
attention problem you need to sit down & learn you are nothing but hateful spiteful etc.All one has to do is look @ the many sources in torah concerning Biyas Moshiach, Read not only The later Sichos from The Rebbe but all the Sichos of the Rebbe all the sichos Maamorim of the Previous Rebbeim & they will realize that yes the Rebbe himself in many different ways in many different Sichos says that He is Moshiach. One of many sources from torah that support chassidim believing that the Rebbe is Moshiach is from Gemara Sanhedren 97a. One of the many sources from Torah & quoted by the Rebbe is Gemara Taanis 5a & also if those of you can recall in chitas only 2 weeks ago from Parshas Vayechi! Yaakov Avinu Lo meis what was Rashi’s answer to vayi chantu Oso? Choshvu Lahem K’mais!!! Does any one receall the Sefer Hakrriyah V ha kedosha from the Friedike Rebbe? what did he say on the Rebbe Rashab? How about the story of Yud tes Kislev when the BAal Shemtov & the magid came to the Alter Rebbe in physical bodies after their Histalkus? No one in their right mind is going to tell you that eating & holding a Public Seudah on A Taanis Tzibbur is correct etc.It is Neged Halachah! The Rebbe said even though Moshiach is already here & affecting the world that until the final stage(binyan bais Hamikdash etc.) we follow Shulchan Orech until Torah Chadashah Maiti TayTzai!
PS
3 meshugim not a breakaway group
If they came from “affluent” families, had money.they would never have been banned from Yeshivah Shule.
the Yechi sign will never come down
plus half of the Vad Ruchnius are supporting the SIGN and YECHI
Rabbi Telser this must be a Joke
Reuven
Same old nonsense.
There is no such thing as excommunication in any Jewish organization.
But, Chabad Lubovitch should distance itself as far as possible from any and all moshiachists. That erroneous, persistent belief threatens to undo much of the good of the Rebbe’s memory.
I wish the powers-that-be, whomever they are, would once and for all address the issue.
Miriam Chana
How many more of our children need to leave the Derech before all Moshiachistim wake up and realise they are not only hurting the Rebbes holy image but also making many of our youth loose their appetite to Yiddishkeit if we need to believe in fantasy!?
To Mr. Problem
No, YOU are the “problem”! Was the Rebbe also part of the problem when he instructed chadakov to show a sefer torah to the chair of the frierdiker Rebbe after yud shevat!?
Was the Rebbe also part of the problem when he was screaming about the seforim that were stolen from “right in front of the Rebbe?!
What agenda do you have – that the Rebbes’ being alive causes a problem?!
If it was OK for the Rebbe to refer to the frierdiker Rebbe as still alive – b’gashmius, why do YOU have such a problem with it?
ELI
Alex Leonard is a member of Melbourne-based group Honk4Joy which believes that the late Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem Mendel who died in 1994, is the Messiah and that the thrid temple “is ready and waiting in heaven”.
DONT WE ALL BELIEVE THAT?
PS
Yechi sign will never come down.( dovid )
alex-s threat
Apparently Alex said if Lubavitch don’t stop pesterring him he and his mate Zelig will promote Elvis as Moshiach and then everyone will miss out!
no more Sinacs chinam
1. Rabbi Telsner closed down Tzedaka collecting for 2 of these individuals(Who were collecting for aniyai Eretz Yisroel 2 years ago. (Paper on the Yeshiva wall for a week or so{not publicly disseminated} said because they were not following instructions.
2.Rabbi Telsner made a notice on shule board {not publicly given out} NO Anouncing anything in Yeshiva Shule, before, during and after davening.(Afterwards they publicly embaressed these two individuals on Shabbos& turned into physical violence by shachris kolel & mincha main shule).
3. The current Shamta makes it 3 strikes.
Rabbi Telsner you are hurting these families. If they would be from well connected or affluent families would you do this?!
This shamta is to justify your two previous actions.
ch resident
200 years no cherem in lubavitch?????????
what about the cherem that was put inside the “black box” by so called ra-bonnim in CH?
v’hameivin yovin
Not a mishichist, a Chabadnik
“DON’T WE ALL BELIEVE THAT?”
No we don’t all!!
And guess what?
I davven Three times a day (Rashi and R”T).
I learn chassidc.
I go to the Ohel.
I learn Chetas and Rambam (3 chapters a day).
And I talk to my kids about Moshiach whenever I can.
I consider myself a Chossid and Lubavitcher. I can only hope I truly am. I am doing my best.
It makes absolutely positively no difference in my life if my Rebbe is or isn’t moshiach. It makes no difference to the Rebbe if he was or wasn’t moshiach. It won’t make the Rebbe more or less if he is or isn’t.
if it does make a difference to you, please explain.
If you ask me, I think they took a big Rebbe and made him in to a small Moshiach.
ceo
Miriam Chana wrote:
How many more of our children need to leave the Derech before all Moshiachistim wake up and realise they are not only hurting the Rebbes holy image but also making many of our youth loose their appetite to Yiddishkeit if we need to believe in fantasy!?
GOOD SOUND COMMENT, thankyou.
I just can’t say more, but thankyou.
Well, I can say one thing….
what is scary is that these people are not healthy, psychologically or b’ruchnius, so how are they going to realize that its having a distorted effect on our kids. They don’t see that it turns people off to coming to Chabad too (chas veshalom, the shluchim can do it, but it just makes their work harder). These people are generally not stable, alot of them. I just hope that they get the help they need, and we can all bring Moshiach together, and NOW.
AD MOSSAI
WE REALLY WANT MOSHIACH NOW AND WE DON’T WANT TO WAIT.
BUT: we have to work and do what the Rebbe says!!
Aaron Bless
Why don’t you ALL go back to basic training like davening with a minyan all 3 tfilohs, learning a shiur avery day, especially Halocho (when you’ll be bokey in hilchos tfiloh,Shabbos kashrut etc.then you can go to Hilchas Melochim just the way the Ramba“m set it up)
otherwise it’s all petty i.e. is Rabbi Telsner a mshichist? who cares?! we have no other problems (now you want to know if the writer of this comment is a anti or……) umisaimim b”tov “V’nizkeh tzu zeen zich miten Rebbin doh l’matoh v’hu yigoleinuh” ubicheserd ubirachamim A good shabbos to you ALL
Eliyahu
ha ha – same exact arguments from 1995…. except that I moved far away from Chabad and Crown Heights since then!
A BIG REBBE THEY MADE A SMALL MOSHIACH
THE SADDEST PART ABOUT THIS WHOLE STORY IS THAT LEONARD & CO ARE A PRODUCT OF THE GRONERS (AND OTHERS AT YESHIVAH’S) MESSIANISIM. THEY DID NOT STOP HIM ALL THE YEARS SHOUTING YECHI AT YESHIVAH EVEN THOUGH IT TURNED OFF MANY PEOPLE.
TELSNER IS ALSO A MESHICHIST, AS WAS POINTED OUT ON A NUMBER OF WEBSITES WHO FOUND THE PSAK DIN HE SIGNED A FEW YEARS AGO PROCLAIMING THE REBBE TO BE MOSHIACH. I STILL REMEMBER SHORTLY AFTER TELSNER CAME HOW HE WAS DANCING YECHI WITH ALEX LEONARD IN THE YESHIVAH LUNCHROOM.
CHAIM TZVI AND R’ TELSNER HAVE TO REALIZE THAT EVEN THOUGH THEY DO NOT WEAR A CLOWN HAT, THEY (AND CONSEQUENTLY THE YESHIVAH) WILL BE PERCEIVED IN THE SAME LIGHT AS LEONARD & CO. KOL ZMAN THAT THEY CONTINUE THEIR MESSIANIST APPROACH. WHY? BECAUSE MAINSTREAM YIDDISHKEIT DOES NOT NOTICE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ONE MESHICHIST AND ANOTHER, IT IS ALL OSSUR.
THE YECHI SIGN IN THE SHUL IS THE BIGGEST TURN OFF, I CANT BEGIN TO TELL YOU HOW MANY PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF DON’T LIKE TO DAAVEN THERE BECAUSE OF IT. YECHI AND THE MESHICHISTIM HAVE BEEN MERACHEK MORE JEWS FROM CHABAD AND CHASSIDUS THAN EVEN OUR BIGGEST ENEMIES, WHO I’M SURE ARE WRINGING THEIR HANDS WITH GLEE BOTH NOW AND EVERY TIME THE MESHICHISTIN PUBLICLY MAKE FOOLS OF CHABAD AND THE REBBE.
Chaim
I’m afraid to admit that the comment from Mr. “Problem” – is 100% correct. All Moshiachiten are basically the cause to this Mushugas. Many Moshiacstin don’t even go to the Ohel – because the Rebbe is really hiding in 770 (we just don’t see him. Some stand in line Sunday’s to “receive” dollars from the Rebbe…and other Mishugasin like this. So, what us the problem with theses guys not fasting? THIS is THEIR Mishugas.
Yes it is Rabbi Telsner and Moshiacistin like him, that ARE the cause to all this. Sorry!
live and let live
what is a ‘Shamta” ?
Son in Law
As my late father in law said – The Meshiachistim made the Rebbe small and Shach from Bnei Brak big in the eyes of the world as 90% of frum jews are not Lubavitch!
i was there!
Most of the signaturies on the infamous Moshiach Psak were heavily pushed into signing it by tough Israeli Lubavitch Moshiach politicians. They were too weak to resist.
mike
If you don’t like the yechi sign leave the shul
Bibi
No chairem in 200 years. Didn’t they place Paul ‘der moisser’ Heubner in chairem recently? If not WHY NOT?
truth
The decision of rabbi telsner and others to throw these meshugoyim out of shul was a very commendable move. However to me, the yechi sign is a much greater problem. Why? Because when the meshugoyim shouted yechi, everyone new it was just a few misguided nuts. But the yechi sign brands the entire shul and yeshiva/chabad establishment as messianist chabad. this is wrong because many if not most mispallelim do not consider themselves meshichist. So even though its more silent than the moshiach men, its is both misleading and far more damaging
NOT MISHECHISTIM!!!
There has been a BIG mistake with this whole incident, the people who did this terrible act of eating on a fast day and blaming it on the Rebbe are not MISHECHISTIM and they are not chabadniks, they have made up their own cult and have based it slightly on chabad. These people seem to be involved with a certain woman in Crown Heights.
The Rebbe said “Moshiach is here waiting for us to open our eyes”, but the way to do it is not to go AGAINST Halocho and the Rebbe said many times the He is a Shulchan Aruch Yid.
Please don’t put up things like this again it just increases the CHILUL HASHEM, CHILUL CHABAD, CHILUL THE REBBE.
May Moshiach come RIGHT NOW! And we won’t have to hear anymore of this stuff.
Aaron Bless
to Eliyahu ( NOT in C.H. )
are you still FULLY torah observant ?
if yes (I hope ) HA HA you never left if no chas v’sholem you were never there.
un och un vei tzu dein nareshe gelechter
NOT A MISHICHIST! stop spewing your envy
its aparant from the anti posts, that they are well intentioned but over-simplistic
to mix-up the whole moshiach issue with this
what turns ppl off is, first and formost! “lack of shalom-bayis from their own parents!!! (i challange u to investigate for ur self) when parents speak @ rabonim & mosdos, and dont live an ”eideleh” refined chasidic (joyous) life, the children have NO FOUNDATION = will blame it on all excusses!
when in reality, its emotional – a general distaste for their home-example of frum-varimeh chasidishe joy!!
ari
in the end of the day does it truely matter whos moshiach? i think crown heights has enough issues without these stupid people making a big deal out of nothing what is the most basic law that the people of crown height find hard to foloe treat ur fellow human being as ur self dont do onto others what u dont want done to u so all u antis out there and all u moshichistim go take a hike cause all ur causing is hate!!!!!!! is this what chabad is all about? i left religon,chabad etc. one of the main reasons was b/c it all didnt make any sense to me why all the hate? here we grow up learning gemara,chasidus an the main point of it all states ahavas yisroel why cant u peoples just ger along so whar someone has a diffrent beleife in the end of the day hes human and treat him that way!!!!!! crown heights should get rid of the pedophiles first,then fix up ur education systim then u guys can talk about moshiach etc. but first make ure ur kids wont grow up as drug abusers,and that they will grow up and have a good chance of suceeding in this world isnt wht we all want? to be able to live in peace and harmony and tranqulity and comfterble? i just read these commont and laugh cause all u guys are doing is argueing and bickiring like little children GROW UP AND ACT UR AGE do whats right worry about ur own family b/c if u dont then how do expect to help others?
Heller
Rabbi Hellers letter about all this…written in 1995. Way before it REALLY got out of hand.
http://tinyurl.com/yen3jxq
As we see now, he really was on target. The results speak for themselves.
unnamed
all thatt needs to be done is to overlook such people.. they are unwell, and therfore they just need to be ignored and overlooked.
This is the attention that they want! The more we give them the more they continue.
ATT Miriam Chana
Really?!
The reason kids go off the Derech is the Moshiach issue?!
That’s amazing!
The hypocrisy of their elders, the lack of Tzniyus, the internet, television and ten other factors, and out of all these it’s the moshiach issue that sends them off the Derech? That’s funnily sad.
Well, Guys It does make adifference who
To the once saying that it does not make a difference you are talking out of ignorance and you need to learn more inyoney Moshiach. In very very short There is a inyan to recognize and be machriz Yechi Adoni hamelech Dovid Leolam. If you are a Lubavitcher go learn the sichos before you write comments and show your ameratzes…..
lubavitcher too
i agree with lubavitcher.
i hope i am a chosid of the rebbe and thats the most important thing to me.
tha alter rebbe said moshach will be a misnaged and chasidim will follow becuse we will still be chasim of our Rebbe Forever.
Lubavitcher Chosssid
Every Chossid of the Nosi Hador should beleive his Rebbe is Moshiach, every Lubavitcher should beleive the Rebbe is Moshiach, the Rebbe Knew it too, it no Chiddush. It IS IMPORTENT to identify the Rebbe as Moshiach. every lubavitcher is a mishichist, thats what lubavitch is and thats what the Rebbe is, the question is if you will call yourself a Mishechist, because the name and connotation sound scary. The only difference between a chossid who calls himself a Mishichist and one who doesnt is what they put in the forfront of their lives and what they have a passion in.
and Lihavdel the people who make mistakes and do the wrong thing and justify it by whatever the Rebbe said is just a new sly tactic of the Yetzer Hara.
Be a Chossid, be a proud Lubavitcher, Be Mishichist (without being A mishichist- if you insist)and bring the Hisgalus withour fighting over it.
And if you are so concerned about people who dont know getting swept into a Mistake, you can make a difference by showing what it means to be a True Mishichist, a Supporter of the Rebbe Melech Hamoshiach.
Milhouse
“ch resident”, you are imagining things. The CH rabbonim have never placed anyone in cherem, and never will do so. There was never any cherem placed in the “box”. We all know the story of the Alter Rebbe in this regard, and we all know how all of the rabbeim felt about it (they wouldn’t even pronounce the word).
Bibi, no, Heubner is not in cherem. Lubavitch is against putting ANYBODY in cherem, for ANY reason, and that will not change.
“live and let live”, go learn some shulchon oruch. R Telsner sent you to the exact siman and se’if. Learn it, if you can read Hebrew.
To all the people who are cynically exploiting this story to attack the meshichisten, and blame the meshichisten for these three loonies, you know very well that your argument is false. Whatever your opinion on the identity of Moshiach, you cannot deny that many rabbonim and talmidei chachomim do believe in this thing, and kevodom bimkomo munach. There is enough support for it that it is a valid option within the spectrum of Jewish beliefs. Breaking halacha is not. THAT is the red line.
The problem with Alex & Co is NOT their belief but their ACTIONS; a belief is only possul if it leads to such actions. And meshichism clearly does NOT lead to such actions, because there are many thousands of meshichists, all of whom fast on taanesim, and are just as frum as their opponents OR MORE. Just as the whole tenuas hachassidus was vindicated by the fact that we remained frum when the misnagdim predicted we wouldn’t, so the meshichistn are vindicated by remaining frum. You can argue against them all you like, but you can’t rule them out of yiddishkeit. HALACHA IS THE RED LINE.
ari
to att miraim chana the mosiach issue is not only why people leave religon,i studdied in both kind of yeshivas anti and moshichist and all that i saw was hatred being protrayed to both sides,i studied halacha,chasidus,gemmara,il earnt all about the whole issue of moshiach and how he can be alive and to me it doesnt make sense,u want to exept te rebbe as moshiach go ahead no one is stopping u but dont push it unto others its not right,i left religon b/c i stoped beleiving in religon itself i want no part in any self hatred,pity and all the vilonce that comes with it,deal with the issues that we have now and i promise u that u will have a better life,i myself was mollested in yeshivas erev in the shul on lefforts ave. i had no one to tell since everyone was caught up with religon and moshiach and even if i whould have told someone they whouldnt have beleived me and even if they did they whouldnt call the cops it whould all be swept under the rug u guys are talking about moshiach and being a chossid well look where it got me i beleived in it with all my heart untill that day witch ill never forget,take a look at ur kids ask urself is all this hatred going to do any good for my kids? is it truely worth it? shouldnt we al just put away our beleifs and try and make the community a better happyer and safer place to live in? i was in crown heights this past tishrei and what i saw disgusted me simchas beis hasuava is just a whole bunch of drunk kids why b/c they go to farbregns where vodka runs like water and whos taking care of then when they r too drunk to stand on their own 2 feet not the dudes in the black hats and jackets its the people in the jeans and tshirt whom r talking to girls on the corner of crown and kingston,u think tv,mini skirts and non jewish music drives people away from religon well ur wrong they dont its the hypocersy of the community,a lack of education,rabbis fighting with one another sending out letters stating that he refuses to sit with this rabbi in beis din b/c of his opinions etc.turning it into a pollitacal game not something that is supposed to be holy.u guys waste ur breath with all these arguments about moshiach will u argue with the same amount of strengh for ur kids? for their rights to an education,a pedophile free community,a community tht exepts them for who they are as humans and not the way they dress? they say dont judge a book by its cover well crown heights does the oppisite they judge u for the way ur dressed not the way u are yes someday ur kid might come home and tell u s/he is not religous anymore will u dump them on the street like peice of trash or will u give them ur full support in whatever they choose? i promise u if u sit down with ur kid and give him ur heart even if hes not religous not only will he be thnkfull but the chances of him ending up on the streets as a drug abuser are slim,and if u truely want to be a chossid remeber the one thing that hillel emphsied on was the most simple thing in the world dont do unto others what u dont want done to u if u cant follow that then how can u be a chossid witch is the most complex thing to be?and to all those who are still bickering stop take a good look at urselves amd ask urself if this is what u truely want for ur kids to grow up into and then go learn the torah that is read three times a week and if that doesnt help then go learn the gemara where it talks about the destruction of the beis hamikdash and why it was destroyed.u guys call urselves lubavitcher well ur wrong ur not the real lubavitchers are the ones all over the world saccrifising them selves for their fellow human being nd not judging them from what family the come from or who they hang out with or even the way they dress so to al those argueing stop arguing go over to the person who has a diffrent beleife give him a hug or handshake make peace with them b/c all this hatred is not going to get u anywhere exept in trouble.in the end of the day i dont think this is wht the rebbe had in mind for the future of chabad so stop arguing and stop arguing like little kids
Mishichist!!!
ceo wrote:
Miriam Chana wrote:
How many more of our children need to leave the Derech before all Moshiachistim wake up and realise they are not only hurting the Rebbes holy image but also making many of our youth loose their appetite to Yiddishkeit if we need to believe in fantasy!?
GOOD SOUND COMMENT, thankyou.
I just can’t say more, but thankyou.
Well, I can say one thing….
what is scary is that these people are not healthy, psychologically or b’ruchnius, so how are they going to realize that its having a distorted effect on our kids. They don’t see that it turns people off to coming to Chabad too (chas veshalom, the shluchim can do it, but it just makes their work harder). These people are generally not stable, alot of them. I just hope that they get the help they need, and we can all bring Moshiach together, and NOW.
AD MOSSAI
WE REALLY WANT MOSHIACH NOW AND WE DON’T WANT TO WAIT.
BUT: we have to work and do what the Rebbe says!!
LOL TO THE ABOVE. IGNORANCE/PATHETIC
Mendel the Melbourne Cohen
Lubavitcher Chosssid wrote:
Every Chossid of the Nosi Hador should beleive his Rebbe is Moshiach, every Lubavitcher should beleive the Rebbe is Moshiach, the Rebbe Knew it too, it no Chiddush. It IS IMPORTENT to identify the Rebbe as Moshiach.
No wonder you didn’t put your name to this stupid laughable statement of yours.
Since when do you decide what people should believe or not. The Holy Rebbe z“l NEVER said to do as you tell us. You can believe in what you like I will continue following the Rambam as the Rebbi z”l did: AF AL PI SHEHU MISMAMEYA ACHAKA LO BCHOL YOM SHAYOVO!
Please grow up and stop making the Rebbe z“l look c”v foolish!
Getzel
Lubavitcher Chosssid wrote:
Every Chossid of the Nosi Hador should beleive his Rebbe is Moshiach, every Lubavitcher should beleive the Rebbe is Moshiach, the Rebbe Knew it too, it no Chiddush. It IS IMPORTENT to identify the Rebbe as Moshiach. every lubavitcher is a mishichist, thats what lubavitch is and thats what the Rebbe is,
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Fine. So what happens, if the true Moshiach arrives next week – and – lo and behold – it turns out to be a Livish rosh yeshiva?
What are you gonna do?
Chaim
The perversion of the Rebbe’s teachings is sickening. All those jerks who want to shout Yechi or eat on Fast days should move themselves to some deserted island together and then we’ll find some way to sink the island…
Sarah f.
Let me ask a question how are we bringing moshiach any closer if all u guys are doing is fighting. If I believe the Rebbe is moshiach that is my right and if u dont that is ur right the Rebbe dosnt want us fighting over this, its our yetezer hara’s taking control. We got the point. This is pure lashon hara. Stop this, we need achdus!
Shira
Sarah f. wrote:
You are right!!
Achdus between ourselves! Not pushing others to follow our line!
1 million chants of Yechi will not bring MOSHIACH 1 SECOND CLOSER. It sounds like some fanatical sports fans.
As the Rebbe z“l taught us our actions will bring Moshiach closer.
-More Tziniyus
-Better Kashrus
-Less T.V.s
-Keep kids away from Internet
-More davenning with Minyan
These were the inyonim that impressed our Rebbe z”l. It is a disgrace how some of our women dress. This is not chassidfish, this is as goyish as it comes.
Not clown Hats, Yellow Flags, Yechi Kippot and parties on fast days will bring Moshiach, probally the opposite!
Ahavat Chinam!
Mishichist!!! wrote:
LOL TO THE ABOVE. IGNORANCE/PATHETIC
01/16/10 – 11:56
Mishichists like you are keeping Moshiach away. Sinat Chinam caused the Churban and Ahavat Chinam will bring the REAL geulah!
gershon f
is the yechi signdown in melbourne ?
to ARI
Dear Ari
Ur pain is palpable in ur comment and I wish I could give u a motherly hug. A lot of what u say is true, but its not ok to just blame a community for what happened to u. You need to get proffessional help! You need to heal…I understand why u lost belief in Hashema and the systme…you feel they failed you. The only way to have a pedophile free community is for people like u to blow the whistle!!
I bless u that u should have the strength to heal and grow!
Joe in Australia
<i>The problem with Alex & Co is NOT their belief but their ACTIONS; a belief is only possul if it leads to such actions.</I>
It is self evident that their beliefs led to their actions. They themselves say so.
</i>And meshichism clearly does NOT lead to such actions, because there are many thousands of meshichists, all of whom fast on taanesim, and are just as frum as their opponents OR MORE.</i>
I’m happy to stipulate that Messianism does not necessarily lead to antinomianism. However, since it is stupid and it <b>can</b> lead to this behavior it should be suppressed.
attn: millhouse
The story with the Alter Rebbe was in regards to a Cherem according to KABBALAH made with seventy rabbis not a regular Charem.
Yeshiva goer
To Gershon F.
The silly sign was still up this morning. On Shabbos I heard that apparently Rabbi Telsner would like it to come down but he wants Chaim Tzvi to agree. Apparently Chaim Tzvi won’t hear of it coming down (due to his international mates).
PS
(gershon f )Yechi sign is not down
plus half of the Vad Ruchnius are supporting the SIGN and YECHI
Susie
If we would all try to improve ourselves and carry out Mivtsoyim rather than scream Yechi and have signs- Moshiach would already be here.
Moshiach is just waiting foir us to0 stop the Narishkeit!
Just wondering
“tha alter rebbe said moshach will be a misnaged”
Just imagine is the former Rosh Yeshiva of Ponevitsh ends up being Moshiach!???
Why is Melbourne different?
Every community in the world that has a yechi sign. You are allowed and encouraged to announce Yechi in the shule except for Melbourne.
About 2 years ago Shortly after Rabbi Telsner’s arrival he gave in to pressure to forbid the announcement of Yechi in the main shule! The people who didn’t listen to his decree were physically or verbally thrown out of the main shule!
Why does Melbourne have a Yechi sign? The real reason is that Melbourne could project itself as a Mishachist community without announcing Yechi. The Yechi sign will announce Yechi for them.
Some of the benefits over the years Rabbi Chaim Tzvi Groner, Rabbi Glick, and other Rabonim from Melbourne have been invited to NY, Israel and various communities around the globe to Meshachist Conferences, Farbrengens and all types of Mishachist Gatherings. They have been promoted as big Mishacists.
When people in Melbourne hear about this it becomes the laughing stock of Melbourne.
Because of these reasons THE YECHI SIGN WILL NEVER COME DOWN EXCEPT BY VANDALS AND WILL BE REPLACED SHORTLY AFTERWORDS AS IN THE PAST!
yossi m
the yechi sign is still up most people wish it comes down but as usual our wishes are ignored
Nachman
Every person wearing a Yechi Yarmulka adds to this Chilul Hashem and adds moral support to these idiots.
PS
(Yossi m)Yechi sign is up 20 years and most people don’t
Want the sign down, if you don’t like it leave
Pinchos Woolstone
More than once I have read on this sight that being a Lubavitcher is contingent of believing the Rebbe zy”a is Moshiach.
This is not a view which is accepted by normative Torah Yiddishkeit; although there is a Gemoro which promulgates such a view, that view was not accepted by Chazal and the Poskim.
Moshiach coming from amongst those who went through death belongs to another philosophy.
It is dangerous and creates a cultish atmosphere.
The Rebbe left us with a mighty legacy, let us all get on with it
PS
THE YECHI SIGN WILL NEVER COME DOWN
Rabbi Telsner’s want’s the sign up
dovid d
chaim tzvi for your fathers & rebbes kvod do what 80% people want get the sign down asap
I agree with woolstone
PS
why do you think yeshiva shul is so empty
samuel
PS
WAKE UP MOST PEOPLE DONT WANT THE SIGN, THOSE FEW WHO WANT IT SHOULD LEAVE MAY BE SEND IT TO CHAIM ZVIS MINYAN
Move the Yechi sign to the Kolel
Why don’t we move the Yechi sign next door to the Kolel where Yechi is announced.
The crowd in the kolel will appreciate the yechi sign much more than in the main shule & then it will be Sholom al Yisroel.
Our biggest mistake was Rabbi Telsner and co. chased Alex & Zelig out of Yeshiva. At least before that they were some what under our influence. Now they are on the loose and who knows what their next move is.
Alex wrote on You Tube video comments he is ready to open A chazir shop on Carlisle street his only hindrance is finding a Chassidishe Shoceht.
Thank you to all those people(including Rabbi Telsner) who chased Zelig & Alex out of Yeshiva all this madness is going on right under our noses.
ofen hamiskabel - NOT
I happened to be talking to on shabbos about the latest news in chabad (the three stooges) with a bunch of my freinds when the subject of the yechi sigm in yeshivah shul came up. Right then and there, in one conversation, three people admitted that they don’t daven there because of the sign. two of the people even have parents that daven there (who “tolerate” the sign out of respect for the late rabbi groner). Doesn’t Chassidus teach us the inyan of “ofen hamiskabel” etc. I don’t care much for Yeshivah shul since I do not daven there but I think the establishment there should consider what the sign is doing to their future.
Pathetic
you don’t get it people.
Meshichists are selfish. they dont care about “ofen hamiskabel” and being merachek people.
They just care about making themselves feel good
Pathetic
Two is better than one!
If you watch the party on youtube you will understand that what the whole fuss is about THEY WANT TWO MOSHIACHS!!
Alex said, we are havimng a party as Moshiach is here, while Zelig said, we need to make a bracha (like the apple story) to force God to send Moshiach. So if he is eating plus at the same time wants Moshiach to still come IT MUST BE THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 2 MOSHIACHS.
So if one is a Misnaged lets hope the other will be a Chosid!
Mendel the kohen
Rabbi Groner z”l wanted his job to go to Chaim Tzvi but had to accept the position of 100% of his kehilla that would under no circamstance accept Chaim Tzvi. sO rABBI tELSNER WAS CHOSEN.
so why does chaim tzvi with his messianic shtusim have a say what happens at Yeshiva??
Zig
Two is better than one! wrote:
Thank You! Thank You!
Now I understand everything. I was very puzzled as I could not yunderstand that if Moshiach is here why should we ask Hashem that he should come. I thought maybe I am too silly. But if there are 2 Moshiachs everything makes sence.
And it is a pretty good idea (same as my car also has a spare tyre. And we have 2 parents, 2 sinks, 2 legs, hands, eyes etc.
Gevaltig.
The truth
If you daven in Yeshiva (at least on a regular basis) you agree with the Yechi
Sign.
The Rebbe said in a sicha that since on the Rambam’s kever is written MeMoshe Ad Moshe Lo Kom KMoshe and Rabonim from all over Eretz Yisroel and abroad have paid respects to his kever is a proof that THEY AGREE WITH WHAT IT SAYS ON THE KEVER. The same could be said about the Yechi sign in Yeshiva anybody who davens there( on a regular basis) agrees with the Yechi sign. Incidentally I heard that some Meshachists refuse to go to the ohel for that reason. They don’t want to in any way shape or form to agree to the Rebbe’s kever.
There are plenty of Shules in Melbourne without a Yechi sign that are chabad.
PS
(dovid d wrote:
chaim tzvi for your fathers & rebbes kvod do what 80% people want get the sign down asap)
RABBI GRONER PUT THE SIGN UP AND 95% PEOPLE WHAT IT
YOU SHOULD LEAVE
true mishachist
who cares all than matters is that they did a big aveira you canot connect them in any way to mishachstim there are plenty of mishachstim out there that are holy and riches people and the thought to eat on a fast day would never occer to the one in a trillion years the blokes arnt mishachstim they are crack pots.
have a great day
yechi adoinaino morenio verabaino melech hamoshiach leolam voed.
comeing from a real mishachist
ps ameriacans mind your own buisness
PS
(Yeshiva goer wrote:
To Gershon F)
THE YECHI SIGN WILL NEVER COME DOWN
Rabbi Telsner’s want’s the sign up
and he is the boss
Moshele
One Moshiach could be called ‘M-1’ and the other ‘M-2’ !
Amazing
Video was removed from youtube due to terms of violation.
Shtus
it was removed from youtube due to terms of violations of Halacha and Normality. Who removed it?
leave em alone
let em blokes be evry community has its meshuganas we should just hope and pray that god shall make em rite one day and bring the messiah speedely in our days