CROWN HEIGHTS, Brooklyn [CHI] — No one ever believed that the two fighting factions would ever go before a Beis Din to settle their differences, one side is now saying that all they are doing is “pulling a trick” and are not taking their actions out of court.
”To TRO” or “Not to TRO” – Old Vaad vs. New Vaad
CROWN HEIGHTS, Brooklyn [CHI] — No one ever believed that the two fighting factions would ever go before a Beis Din to settle their differences, one side is now saying that all they are doing is “pulling a trick” and are not taking their actions out of court.
The “Schwei Faction” and “Osdoba Faction” have gone in an all out brawl when one side decided that new elections are in order, and went ahead to do so. The Beis Din then issued a letter saying that “…one should not vote in these elections (for Vaad Hakohol etc and Gaboim) for the simple reason: the idea of elections is to give an equal opportunity to upstanding and honest individuals to be elected to the important role of Gaboim and community activists. In the present situation there is no possibility to maintain this fundamental provision.”
Much ink has been spilled since, both in court and in the news articles, and in the present day the two factions are bound by a panel of Rabbonim, an arbitration panel, who’s ruling on the matter will be final and all parties are to abide by it.
As part of the agreement to enter into this process of binding arbitration, better known as the Din Torah, it was both parties duty to remove their actions from the secular courts. One can understand that taking someone to court in order to compel them to appear before a Beis Din, but once that happens it is becoming of the parties to immediately remove their actions from court and leave the ruling in the hands of the Beis Din.
“Here they are pulling a trick, they are willing to take the action we brought against them out of court, but parts of their actions, their Mesira, they want to leave in court” said Yosef Katzman, a representative of the Osdoba side. “They never even had permission to go to court in the first place!” he added.
“All we want to do is keep the status quo” said Eli Cohen, the executive director of the new Vaad Hakohol, in response. “It’s a matter of negotiations and it is really no big deal.”
So far Rabbi Avrohom Rosenberg, who is presiding over the Din Torah, has been made aware of this, but he has not issued his opinion, which would constitute a ruling, on the matter.
“Do you know how many people did not have money to make Yom Tov?” asked a source close to this Din Torah, referring to the subpoenas the new Vaad issued to a local Gmach and business in attempt to understand the finances of the old Vaad. “Everyone ran to take their money out of the Gmach when they heard that there was the court action coming against it.”
Stating that as his basis he said that this is but one of the reasons all the actions must be entirely removed from court, “without any monkey business” he concluded.
There has been speculation that the din torah will conclude sometime in around Pesach, but there has been no official timeline from Beis Din who is now trying to work out a schedule for all the Rabonim to meet in person.
ACHDUS & AHAVAS YISRAEL THE ONLY ANSWER
And then there’s a huge kinus tonight to talk about the tragedies that have befallen us. You morons wonder why??????????
You are all pathetic.
chexposed
“All we want to do is keep the status quo” said Eli Cohen
What does that even mean, why did you did waist thousands of dollars and time for in a Din Torah?
Is the new Vaad saying that if the Psak does not go their way, they are going back to court?
ceo
JUST CONDUCT YOURSELVES LIKE FRUM YIDDEN, AND LIKE CHOSIDIM OF THE …..REBBE, THE REBBE, DO YOU HEAR ME.
People are turning off to all this fighting, and you will see what will come of that. They will go their own way, and it causes pirud in the community. nebach. and nebach on those who don’t know how to conduct themselves.
and kol hakavod to those who do, mitzva getun.
Shmully
This is an outrage….to publish this hours before a gathering focusing on Ahavas Yisroel….I did not even read the article, my blood boiled….
Achdus….its not a slogan, its a way of life.
yup
hahahahah- thank g-d I moved out of this neighborhood!
Mendy
Your bias is clearly evident!
Just because they came to Beis Din, how are we to know they’ll adhere to its ruling?
Yossi
Mendy, its actually called binding arbitration for a reason, How is it binding? By the fact that any ruling is enforceable by the authorities, and by the fact that anyone who will defy the ruling would be subjected to harsh penalties (haha).
antimesira
Shmully wrote:
“This is an outrage….to publish this hours before a gathering focusing on Ahavas Yisroel….I did not even read the article, my blood boiled….”
Exactly, there wont be a cure till we recognize the real problem and take care of it the proper way.
Ch.info writing the truth and facts is not creating the problem just exposing it.
The only people that win when we are silence (as evidence of the last 15 years) is the mossrim/evil people.
No more silence, thank you ch.info yet again for the truth.
People don’t like hearing the truth, its not easy, but to bad on those people.
“Had the Rebbe not inserted the three words ”b’midat emet leYaakov“ (”according to the attribute of Truth unto Yaakov“), he would have attracted fifty thousand more Chassidim. But the Rebbe demands the trait of truth.”
here come the excuses
Why are you Posting this now, I just finally got my head in the sand, I was hoping to keep it a while in the ground till everything goes away.
I’m high on false peace and love, don’t ruin it for me.
no worries mate, its all good.
If you don’t report it, it never happened.
Hypocrite
Sad how some are getting more upset about the reporting of this very real news, more then the news itself. What does this say about these people.
If your mad on the mere idea of the fact that its being posted, get mad about what the post is about.
a neighborhood resident
As stated above there is a emergency Kinus tonight & this is what is being talked about??? Tue or not both sides agreed to this Bais Din Zablah & both side chose The Rabbonim they wanted as Dayanim If & when ch”v one side decides not to follow the ruling then they are for sure guilty & should be immediately & permanently banned from anything to do with the Schuna other than the house or apt. you live in.I would then suggest that they permanently leave the schuna & start their own new neighborhood etc. else where!
Avi
Why doesn’t the Community create a third option, set up new elections with new candidates
chabad
the only thing that is still in court is the TRO that some people are not allowed to come in to the offices of the vaad hakohol and the rabonim for obvious reasons and that should remain that way until the din torah is over
serel maness
maybe that why people became frum,ahavav yisreol
chexposed
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B-)
Oh look, string…
Boruch
None of this really matters. Mr Sperlin has the support of the secular Jewish Mayor Bloomberg and all the other politicians. That is all that that counts. Otherwise, Crown Heights Vaad fights are mickey mouse tales out of Chelm
Duh...
Status quo is right. Only because of the vaad’s actions in court were they able to pull off this din torah and get it to count as arbitration. The only way this din torah will count as such is if it still registered as the solution to the pending complaints. It is what binds the other side…
befuddled
why don’t people have a life that is independant of what any one of these “players” choose to do?
what about any part of your life must be intertwined with either side?
Do you need them to enable you to pray? eat? sleep? work?
why do people care about these styrofoam issues?
Chaim
This entire thing is sooo sad… A bunch of losers fighting in the name of G-d and religion.
Melamed
Does this mean that we won’t be able to get loans from the Gmach for Pesach? Couldn’t get my third party post dated checks cashed for Tishrei, and now I’ll have to enjoy a similar Pesach!
Thank you Cadaner, do you need a loan perhaps? I think that Rabbi Bogomilsky is waiting anxiously to give you a loan.
Guys, there are only two and a half months till Pesach, tighten your seat belts.
May G-d help us
is he chabad
who is this “eli cohen” is he CHABAD???
every time i read about machlokas and court he is involved
united lubavich yeshiva he and the board stole money and placed it in a trust while teachers did not have bread on the table
770 he was the only man paid to fight
now community consul he is involved
i think you can call him the source of machlokas in crown heights
elishea
How do we give more input into the Beis Din?