The following letter from Rabbi Avrohom Osdoba was released today lambasting the new Vaad and its supporters for their failure to comply with the agreement to go before a Zabl"o Bais Din, and accusing them of Mesira.
The letter [freely translated]:
To Anash of Crown Heights - Kan Tziva Hashem es Habrocho - and all to whom the Rebbe's shechuna is dear.
Following up to my letters of Elul 5769, I am obligated to notify the community that after receiving Rabbi Schwei's signature on the shtar birurin- to proceed to a Din Torah, we informed the court that we are placing a hold on the restraining order against the most recent elections, in order to deal with it at the Din Torah.
I need to clarify that the entire process of going to court to place a restraining order against the latest elections was according to Halacha and with the consent of Bais Din.
Rabbi Osdoba Releases Scathing New Letter
The following letter from Rabbi Avrohom Osdoba was released today lambasting the new Vaad and its supporters for their failure to comply with the agreement to go before a Zabl”o Bais Din, and accusing them of Mesira.
The letter [freely translated]:
To Anash of Crown Heights – Kan Tziva Hashem es Habrocho – and all to whom the Rebbe’s shechuna is dear.
Following up to my letters of Elul 5769, I am obligated to notify the community that after receiving Rabbi Schwei’s signature on the shtar birurin- to proceed to a Din Torah, we informed the court that we are placing a hold on the restraining order against the most recent elections, in order to deal with it at the Din Torah.
I need to clarify that the entire process of going to court to place a restraining order against the latest elections was according to Halacha and with the consent of Bais Din.
1) Those who organized the elections were called to the Bais Din by the Netzigim. Most of them disregarded the Bais Din and rejected going to the Bais Om. As a result of their absence, the Bais Din placed a restraining order on the elections until a Din Torah could take place. But they continued to hold the elections in defiance of the order of Bais-Din which forbade elections prior to a Din Torah.
Therefore, according to the mechaher and the Ramo (Choshell Mishpat 26: 2) when a person is called to Bais Din and does not comply with the Bais Din’s rule, the Bais Din may instruct to go to court, in order to enforce thc rule of the Bais Dm. [Or the Bais Din themselves may go to court to enforce their psak (Rcsponsa Mahar“y Ben Lev vol. 3 ch. 48)].
2) The petition in court was clearly only a demand that the court should order that all parties involved obey the Bais Din, as mandated in the by-laws of the Kehilla. They simply requested a restraining order in court against elections which took place against the ruling of the Bais Din (Choshen Mishpat 73: I0. Responsa Menachem Azaria ch. 51). Not one Jew was accused of any crimes, G-d forbid, nor was there any demand of money or any potential cause of damage to a single Jew by way of court.
3) Based on all the above, there is no heter for the second party to respond by going to court for any related matter (Responsa Igros Moshe Choshen Mishpat vol. 2 chapl. 11).
On the other hand, the second party added ”sin on top of a crime“ by: 1) They went to court, without any heter from any Bais Din or Rav. 2) They used court to fight against a Psak of Bais Din. 3) They falsely accused in secular court, a long list of Crown Heights residents, and heads of Mosdos and loan funds, with criminal actions.
Thereby endangering many Jews and mosdos, who are completely innocent and unconnected to this controversy. While giving a peculiar excuse that if the Bais Din will remove the restraining order against the illegal elections, they will remove their slanderous mesira on innocent Jews to the court. Such an act of terrorism and extortion against a Bais Din is unheard of in the annals of Jewish history!In his talks (Shvat 1975), the Rebbe has stated, “In the Lubavitcher court (hoif) there are no terror brigades!” Adding, that since he is in charge of Lubavitch, he states that anyone who has a connection to acts of terror has no connection to Lubavitch!
This lowly conduct of the other side, has caused enormous unnecessary expenses of hundreds of thousands of dollars of Jewish money (for both parties) towards lawyers’ fees, to deal with false accusations and slander. And as a result of their treacherous actions, many residents and Mosdos who exist and rely on G’mach-loans, were unable to receive their necessary loans for Yom Tov as in the past. This hurt teachers, kolel yungeleit and other needy people, who were unable to celebrate the Yomim Tovim in a proper manner.
After I successfully coerced them to sign on the shtar birurin, and I instructed to halt all the court actions until the Din Torah; the other side added in sin by not rescinding their mesira and slander. They refuse to cancel their restraining order against the Rabbonim, and they are using the power of court, to deny the Rabbonim access to their offices. They are also using the court to keep their positions in the Vaad Hakohol and gabaus in 770, even though a shtar birurin, has been signed between myself and Rabbi Schwei to appear for a Din Torah to decide these very issues. But they have the audacity to publicly claim that they pulled the Mesira out of court. What an outrageous lie!
Thcy are also employing terror to deny the Rabbonim Aliyos in 770. Instead, they honored with Aliyos the very mosrim who raised their hand against Toras Moshe, the ones who desecrated Moshiach’s Sefer Torah in public on that very same bima during Rosh Hashana several years ago. And to show their defiance they gave the honor of davening at the omud to those who employ terror against Rabbonim. To this it said: ”woe is to the community that has such chazzanim …. and those who assist in this are considered as if they stole the good from the public, and are destined to give account for this (see extensively Sefer Chasidim 785 & 758).
If one asks how can such travesties take place in the Rebbe’s Shul? The Gemara already recalls how in the second Bais Hamikdash the Tzedukim prevailed over the Perushim to control the Kehuna Gedola with money (Yevamus 61:1 & Yuma 18:1). And Megilas Taanis (eh 10) recalls the Yom Tov that was declared when Shimon ben Shatach removed the Tzedukim from the Sanhedrin no less.
Truth be told, to an informant and slanderer and especially one who says “I will go and inform”; apply all the Halachos listed in Rambam (Hilchos Chovel Umazlk 8: 10), Shulchan Aruch (Chushen Mlshpat 388:10), and the Alter Rebbe’s Shulchan Aruch (Hilchos Nizkel Momon seif 7). Let it be clear that this group has not withdrawn their mesira and slander in court and they continue their rebellious behavior of “I will go and inform” nevertheless I signed on the shtar birurin and I am eager for the Din Torah to take place as soon as possible.
I also instructed to stop the entire court proceedings to allow us to go to Bais Din. Strangely, the other side arc still proclaiming, that despite the signed shtar birurin between me and Rabbi Schwei, they have a long list of conditions and demands before they will agree 10 Rabbi Schwei’s participation in Din Torah.
And especially since many of Anash and Mosdos, were very nervous, I instructed yet before Yom Tov, that regardless of the risk that the second party might not come to the Din Torah, we, on our part, will cease all the court proceedings, and pray that all negative that result from the mesira should disappear as a dream does. I also advised that all those connected to this Din Torah, should sign and commit to be judged in this Din Torah. And I attach here the sif,’l1atures of those who obeyed. And we are awaiting the signatures of the other side by Wednesday 4’“ of Cheshvan 5770, as per the Rabbonim.
I pray that an awakening from above should inspire the other party to participate in Din Torah and as the Alter Rebbe says ”when there is judgment below, there is not judgment above“ (Shulehan Aruch 602:5). Even though it is obvious that they think that, there is neither din nor dayan”, similar to Kayin’s argument, (Yonoson Ben Uziel, Breishis, 4:2). And as King David said (Tehillim 71: 10-11) that although his enemies proclaimed, “The Almighty has forsaken him, chase after him and catch him because he will not be rescued”, and therefore Kind David prayed “Almighty, don’t distance yourself from me, etc”. Especially since we find ourselves in Tishrei, after Yom Kippur and Simchas Torah when we received the Torah as Baalei Teshuva with joy (sec Rebbe’s Sichos Breishis 5711 & 5736) the Jewish heart is open to Hashem, to behave in accordance with His Torah.
May the merit of Torah & Teshuva benefit us to instill peace in our shechuna to generate nachas for the Rebbe, the Moro D ‘asra, of Our shechuna. I conclude with blessing of the year poratzto [5’770], referring to the one who breaks the barriers, King Moshiach.
(–) Horav Avrohom Osdoba
P.S. Please be advised that although the Rabbonim were removed from their offices, the office at 778 Eastern Parkway room # 210 was reopened. The entrance is through the women’s Shul terrace. The office hours arc from 9:00-11:00 A.M. & 5:00-10:00 P.M. During other hours, questions can be left in the box on the door and messages can be left at (718) 604-8827.
saladin
What a tragedy that our community can hold such rebbelios unrefined, slanderous, people. that would go againgst their own rabbonim. It’s amazing how our community council has stooped so low as to go to a non jewish court and to throw the rebbes rabonim out of their offices! what an outrage!
But what can we do? people are people and there’s nothing else you can do about it…
Dovelle
Let there peace.
happy
I did not even read the whole thing all i can say IM SICK OF ALL OF THIS there is so much going on in the world look at israel wake up children.
OT-nik
What does “lambasting” mean? and who uses that type of language?
Chayim
I hope you will print the answer to this as quickly as you printed this
CH Resident
Last week I had a shaila and the Rabbonim’s offices were locked! Due to time restraints (shkia) I was “forced” to bring the shaila to another Rav, who -while I have nothing against him personally ch“v- his expertise on these matters has been questioned by many… I was unaware that the office in 770 was reopened.
Side point: The Rabbi has got to drop the drush from these letters; his writing is choppy enough as it is. Stick to the poskim and sifrei shu”t.
Community
Everyone please beg and plead with the people on the list whom you are acquainted with to please sign the shtar. Peace is so close.
Sheichen Hashcunah
If we all began with cleaning our own house before starting on another’s there would be more peace in our community.
The source of the problem
“They went to court, without any heter from any Bais Din or Rav”
Again questioning Rabbi Schwei’s validity as Rov!!!
Do people not see that this is the source of the problem: Rabbi Osdobo’s refusal to accept Rabbi Schwei as a Rov!!!
sick to my stomach
omg…. when will this socio-polical crap stop!!!!
messira, messira…. the trial is on wednesday for the 7 men who are being falsely accused of a lot of crap!
Good People
to The source of the problem:
No one is questioning Rabbi Schwei, fact is that he never gave any permission to go against Rabbi Osdoba’s psak and go to court.
That is the one mistake all of you and your ilk are making, or intentionally distorting to further your own agenda.
We see through you. Good people will not stand idly by and let you destroy our holy community.
g-dhasmorenamesthananyoneknows
It is really simple
if a keheelah is a microcosm of world jewry
and world jewry chooses and picks its torah and avodah as part of the fifth brocha of the amida
to me it looks like the only thing in common the kiheela has is black and white clothing
the misinterpetations of the rebbes zl words is an unresolved problem
the lack of seder and seder is part of any geulah must be amended and repaired
bmhayra vyemaynu
Milhouse
OT-nik asks “who uses that type of language?” People who are fluent in the English language, even if they did go to OT.
RESIDENT
POLTRAK IS A RUSHA MERUSHA!! NO OTHER COMMUNITY WOULD STAND FOR PEOPLE LIKE HIM WHO MAKE MACHLOKOS!! HE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO WALK THE STREETS OF CROWN HEIGHTS OR DAVEN IN ANY SHUL IN THIS COMMUNITY!! IF YOU SEE HIM TELL HIM!!
MaddinBklyn
when spritzer and company (including “rabbis) dragged four families through fedaral court on rico charges for over ten years these same ”rabbis were silent“ (one rabbi who is now deceasesd even testified in court that he ”assumed” that spritzer didn’t need permission to go to fedaral court, How he came to that conclusion without there being a din torah as to wether to grant permission to ‘take it to court’ is beyond me.
When the shmira organization concocted a vicious messira with missianist jews to have residents who have commited no crime other then dedicating their lives to helping their fellow jews with their problems, The community was not and is not only silent but mostly justified the messira based on baseless propaganda coming from the shmira.
These same rabbi’s (except one) are now being targeted by ‘THEIR’ people who they helped and justified for years…now they’re feeling the bite in their #@$4
good for them
Moshiach now!
Rabbi Schwei is a mecharcher riv (or the people behind him)
and hopefully he (they) will do teshuvah speedly in our days
Itamar Rosenblatt
If these people, on both sides, would use all of the time they are spending subpeona’ing each other to court and beis din and instead to raise money for a charity organization or help the youth in our community that are off the derek, we would be much better off.
But what do I know, in crown heights opinion doesn’t matter unless you have money to back it.
trust but verify
Rabbi Schwei called Rabbi Bogomilsky and told him that he is against the mesira and that they are out of his control and that they didn’t ask him for his permission and he never gave his permission for mesira. He was very upset but he said that he can’t do anything about it.
Fact and rabbi Schwai ?
the facts are that
Rabbi Schwai never gave chanina,poltdrek and the rest any heter to go to court.
FACT is that the mosrim from 749 and HUBNER der GOY never got a heter to go to mosser. and the biggest proof is that 2 years after the mesira and noone called the shomrim to a din tora . and rabbi Schwai said cleareley that he didnt give heter for the mesira by Huebner ym”s.
YET THE FACT IS THAT POLTDREK AND HIS FRIENDS TRY TO MOSSER MEMBERS OF ANASH. AND FACT IS THAT NO ELECTION COMPANY EVER CERTIFIED THE FRAUD ELECTION CONDUCTED BY ELI SLAVIN, MENDY HENDEL, CHANINA THE MOSSER SON OF A MOSSER AND THE REST ..
EVEN MORE WHEN YOU READ THE AFIDAVIT BY POLDREK TO COURT IN THE MOTION TO LIFT THE TRO YOU FIND HOW HE PERJURED HIMSELF.
TELLING THE COURT THAT NO CHAGE WILL TAKE PLACE UNTILE THE NEXT COURT. AND THE NIGHT OF ELECTION BRAKE IN THE OFFICE WITH THE TALIBAN. AND AS THE COURT WILL SEE IT HE PERJURED HIMSELF AND EVERY MINUT HE SIT IN THE OFFICE OF JEWISH COMMUNITY COUNCIL IS A VIOLATION .
MAY HASHEM HELP CROWB HEIGHTS GET RID OF THIS STUPID VAAD AND WILL SEE VERY SOON THE FALL OF THE EVEIL EMPIRE OF CHANINA , SLAVIN , HUEBNER AND THE REST OF THIS RESHOIM.
WE WANT MOSHIACH NOW
Out of towner... Thank G-D
The trouble starts when people forget what really needs to be done to make peace. What gets in their way is their desire for power. How sad that the Rebbe’s schunah has turned into such craziness.
Disgusted by it all. Peace Now!
This letter is actually one of the clearest missives from Rabbi Osdoba I have ever read! For the first time I was actually able to understand what he’s talking about.
I am certainly no fan of any of the Rabbanim. I take all my shailohs OUT of Crown Heights. But in this case, I actually agree with Rabbi Osdoba. He may not be a Tzaddik, but he isn’t a puppet of community rabble-rousers.
The problem here is that Rabbi Schwei is influenced by whoever gets to him last. He is a very nice person who is not strong enough to stand up to anyone, not even his own family. So the biggest mouth wins. In this case it’s Poltorak. Poltorak shouldn’t be trusted. He will finish off the destruction of this community that his predecessors started. G-d help us all.
Snag
Hilarious.
Keep it coming, we love all this.
Olam Hasheker
Seems like the new board of drekkers are now the main problem. Let’s remove them fron our midst.
serel maness
oh so maybe that’s why the rebbe isn’t opening reaveling himself? how dispointed we are.
huebner mosser
For some reason some people still respect Huebner the MOSSER
yosef
the rold is coming to an end… feel bad for the kids growing up now with all this going on
the doers aren-t on this blog
while rome burns.
it actually doesn’t make a difference at this point how this ends up. it’s too late to win the respect and trust of this generation.
and no, “hashem” does not clean up messes made by his children.
things will change when people – who don’t care about either side’s opinion – build, while many tsk tsk and quote texts.
Moishe
WHat does this mean for Chanina? Does he go by the Bais Din of Rabbi Osdoba or will the politicians bail him out, like Bloomberg and Clarence Norman? He needs access for photo ops.
HUEBNER=NAZI
HUEBNER is a GOY AND SHOINE YISROEL !
NOONWE JEWISH RESPECT HIM IN CH
ONLY GOYIM LIKE SIMONETI AND THE REST OF THE SONEI YISROEL
scathing is right
OK – I have too much to say and no one will have the patience, so, that’s that.
Concerned
I don’t understand why this article had to be published on the web. There is a lot of Loshan Horo and Moitze shem ra against anash bichlal and rabbonim befrat.
Cut out all the garbage.
It is time to come to the senses that Both Rabbis have a following and from the last election it is evident that people are sick and tired of whats going on.
Mesira is wrong!
I don’t care for both sides of this debate, but what I do know and care about is Mesira!
Mesira is Wrong and it must stop!
Respect the Flees
“For some reason some people still respect Huebner the MOSSER”
The don’t respect him one bit, they need him and he needs them (to carry out mesira), thats all. They use each other out.
Who would want such a “respect”?
Who would want to be respected by such vile people?
Flees hang around smelly; dirty animals!
They can keep their flees!
CHR
i think everyone should look in the mirror and ask if you are doing what you need to do. Does anyone have the fear of heaven in them any more?
No disrespect to Rav O, but...
How come it was alright for the old Vaad to proceed to Civil Court several times? Doesn’t anyone care that the old Vaad STARTED running to Civil Court repeatedly? The new Vaad ONLY went to Civil Court defensively, because the old Vaad would not stop running to Civil Court. I think maybe 3 separate times. Would Rav O explain why this was OK? He doesn’t explain in his letter too clearly why he allowed this whole waste to begin in Civil Court. I guess it depends whose ox is being gored, as the old saying goes.
messira
to No disrespect:
Get over your obviuse bias against ‘Rabbi O’ and actually read his letter. The Beis Din gave a p’sak that there should be no elections and the new Vaad decided that this doesnt fit with their agendas so they completly disragarded the whole matter and went against the Beis Din with no shame.
So in order to protect the respect of the Beis Din and the Old Vaad they allowed them to obtain a restraining order in Civil Court.
The new Vaad then went to court against the old Vaad and overturned the restraining order and then filed a counter claim, WITHOUT ANY PERMISSION FROM A BEIS DIN OR A ROV!
That is what we Jewish people call *MESSIRA*.
Not convinced by Messira
Dear Messira, I call him Rav O, not Rabbi, and I mean no disrespect, but your argument doesn’t make sense. The old Vaad tried repeatedly to press their agenda in Civil Court. They were unsucessful. They are angry that the new Vaad went to Civil Court. Only one side can play at this game? What justification was there for the Old Vaad to go to Civil Court and begin this ugly process? I just wanted to know.
to No disrespect to Rav O, but...
In case you missed it here are the relevant quotes of Rabbi O’s letter:
“1) Those who organized the elections were called to the Bais Din by the Netzigim. Most of them disregarded the Bais Din and rejected going to the Bais Om. As a result of their absence, the Bais Din placed a restraining order on the elections until a Din Torah could take place. But they continued to hold the elections in defiance of the order of Bais-Din which forbade elections prior to a Din Torah.”
==This means that the newly elected Vaad was elected against the order of Bais Din.
“Therefore, according to the mechaher and the Ramo (Choshen Mishpat 26: 2) when a person is called to Bais Din and does not comply with the Bais Din’s rule, the Bais Din may instruct to go to court, in order to enforce the rule of the Bais Dm. [Or the Bais Din themselves may go to court to enforce their psak (Rcsponsa Mahar“y Ben Lev vol. 3 ch. 48)].”
==Therefore the old Vaad was allowed to go to court with Bais Din approval.
“3) Based on all the above, there is no heter for the second party to respond by going to court for any related matter (Responsa Igros Moshe Choshen Mishpat vol. 2 chapl. 11).”
==Which means that the new Vaad had no business going to court, not for the purpose of defending themselves and of course not for the purpose of falsely accusing the old Vaad or any other Jew in court of any other crime.
So who do you disagree with? Mechaber? Rama? Mahar”y Ben Lev? Menachm Azarya? Igros Moshe? Which part of Halacha do you reject? According to the Igros Moshe they had no right to defend themselves in court. Period!
If they were allowed to proceed in court, as you say defensively, let’s see the Rabbinic responsa which gives the Heter.
On the other hand, R’ O states clearly why the old Vaad was allowed to go to court to get an injunction against the elections according to the Mechaber (just in case you didn’t know it’s the Beis Yosef who wrote what we call Shulchan Aruch), and the Rama (who is the Ashkenazi counterpart of the Beis Yosef and in a case when he disagrees with the Beis Yosef we Ashkenazim go by the Rama against the Mechaber) agrees without dissent.
So what don’t you understand?
netsig
so all of this really started with the netsigims decision not to have new elections i believe. but the real issue here is that M. R. created a new group of netsigem to do his bidding so he could stay were he was. And when he went “in” the alleged group of reshoim, mosserim etc decided to do what it says in the original bylaws and that’s to have elections every 3 years. Which by the way M. R. pushed that off as well. All the rest is the outcome of someone looking to stay were he was and went he went “in” the plans changed. and that’s why there are letters zablos mosserim rishoem etc
Rav Osdoba is a Great Person
G-D Bless Rav Osdoba in all his holy work on behalf of the community, Lubavitch and the Jewish People!! May HaShem grant him sucess in all endeavours!!
Rav Osdoba is a true mentch, Talmid Chocham, Chassid and Rav who persevered through good times and bad helping the community.
I have continuous first-hand experience that this man has Ahavas Yisrael, untiring devotion to helping others and a tremendous grasp of Halacha, that has helped me and my family countless times.
May HaShem send Moshiach Now!!
Rav O may be a good person...
However, that is not the point. It seems transparent that the old Vaad didn’t want to allow new elections, which was already one year past due and pressed the Rav to forbid them. Then when they were held and certain people couldn’t or wouldn’t run and hated who did run and win, they now said it was all against “Halakah” because Rav O forbid them. When were the electons dependant on Rav O’s approval? Why did so many prominent people and Rabbis support the election? Why does this feel like Soviet Russia? This is all sour grapes, anyone could have run if they wanted to be in the Vaad so badly.
To Rav O may be a good person...
Three points:
Point number one:
By us orthodox Jews who go according to Halacha it doesn’t matter if you believe that what you think should be is right. If someone calls you to a Din Torah you must come. If you don’t show up to a Din Torah a new set of rules apply to you regardless of your just and righteous cause.
If the old Vaad (and their Netzigim) didn’t want elections they may be wrong. But they have the right to call for a Din Torah to sort out their unjust cause. You, who wants the election if you are called to a Din Torah you must come to Bais Din and make your case, and hopefully you will win. If you don’t show up to Bais Din you lose and Bais Din deals with you as a Mesarev L’Din and they can allow the other party to go to court. And Halachicaly you have no recourse.
Second point:
The fact that we need new elections every three years is in the bylaws. However precedent shows that this rule is not carved in stone, and is subject to the rule of Bais Din.
When Shpielman and Paltiel were in the Vaad Hakahal, the rule was that we must have elections every two years (the rule to go to three years was changed in 1995-6). However there were no elections from 1986 till 1995 (9 Years!) until the court forced them to have new elections.
The Rebbe never made a comment about this, and when asked the Rebbe deferred to the Rabbonim. And Rav Marlow didn’t mind the situation and didn’t allow anybody to organize elections without the permission of the old Vaad Hakohol aka Shpielman & Paltiel.
So precedent shows that it is OK to go without elections if the Rabbonim say no to elections. And the Rebbe (who said that he put all issues aside just to make sure that we have elections in 1986) didn’t mind it at all. And when people complained to the Rebbe about the unfairness of the way the Rabbonim were ruling, and also when he was asked if he approves of the way the Rabbonim are running the show, the Rebbe answered that he is very happy with their behavior.
So there is nothing new in the current mishmash. We just have to learn that as orthodox Jews we must follow Halacha. And Halacha gives Rabbonim certain powers that not everybody likes but must follow regardless.
Third point:
The bylaws state very clearly, that the Bais Din has the final say to decide any dispute in the interpretation of the bylaws or the implementation of the bylaws. Which sometimes can mean that they have the authority to rule on the bylaws even if you think that they are wrong. They have the final word not you.
Finally, it seems like there will be a Din Torah. Rabbi Osdoba and his cronies already signed on. Now we look forward that since Rabbi Schwei also signed on, his cronies will also sign on, and everybody will have their say in front of a Bais Din. Hopefully there will be a speedy Din Torah and all will fall into place as we all want, to the Rebbe’s satisfaction, with harmony and peace. Moshiach NOW!
To the Snag
You know full and well that in your communities in this Olam Hasheker there are the same and worse goings on.Fellow Lubavitchers,please dont give people like this Snagger ammunition.We are about so much more as Chassidim,let us show the world our positive Avodah,not our internal Machlokes.To CH nfo. please print only comments the are respectful and not demeaning to our community.
Dovid Olensky
As a Lubavitcher, who has not lived in Crown Heights since the 1980’s, it pains me to read this about the holy Shichuna of the Rebbe.
That Rav Osdoba, who’s life is Torah, should have to get his hands soiled with these politics is very sad. It’s a Rachmonus that Rav Osdoba has to go through this.
Yechi HaMelech! Moshiach Now!
Tzvi
Some points:
1. As soon as the shtar borerim was signed by both Rabbis and as Rabbi Osdoba promise in his first letter the Vaad Hakohols lawyer contacted the other lawyer and ask to go out of court due to the fact that arbitration was agreed. The lawyers responded that their clients are not going out of court.
2. A couple days before Rabbi Osdobas last letter a represtative of the Vaad met with Rabbi Osdoba and requested the same Rabbi Osdoba answered I have reasons not to pull out of court.
Both sides actions are still in court. I don’t know what Rabbi Osdoba id refering in his letter.
3. According to the bylaws and as the clear instructions of the Rebbe the bais din should ONLY arbitrate disputes but should not mix into community matters.
4. It’s very obvious and clear by now that the reason for not allowing elections was what actually happened after the elections. A change of regime. So you do not have to be a dayan with yodin yodin to know that none of the Rabbis is allowed to seat on a din tora to rule on this issue. They are all NOGEA BEDOVOR, THEY ALL HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST or simply speaking they are THE BAALE DOVOR (plaintiffs) themselves.
To ban elections just to stay muchzokim is not an honest act and done by Rabbis it’s the biggest chilul shem shomayim.
For about 4 years Rabbi Osdoba was begged to go to a din tora and resolve the machlokes he refused and the community is suffering now he is in a rush!!!
Ah I forgot, Rabbi Osdoba can you tell me where did the Vaad say they took it out of court that you claim the are shakronim?