CROWN HEIGHTS [CHI] — Efforts were made in the community to organize a large, unified Birchas Hachama ceremony in front of 770 next week, 14 Nissan 5769, April 8, 2009. However the efforts fell through due to the usual Crown Heights politics. “Yechi” or no “Yechi”.
The Rebbe ran the show last time around, some 28 years ago. There was a large, public, unified Birchas Hachama ceremony in front of 770. Eastern Pkwy was closed for traffic and Anash from far and near came with their families, to be with Rebbe at during this once in a generation Mitzvah.
Plan Unifying Community for Birchas Hachama Falls Through
CROWN HEIGHTS [CHI] — Efforts were made in the community to organize a large, unified Birchas Hachama ceremony in front of 770 next week, 14 Nissan 5769, April 8, 2009. However the efforts fell through due to the usual Crown Heights politics. “Yechi” or no “Yechi”.
The Rebbe ran the show last time around, some 28 years ago. There was a large, public, unified Birchas Hachama ceremony in front of 770. Eastern Pkwy was closed for traffic and Anash from far and near came with their families, to be with Rebbe at during this once in a generation Mitzvah.
This year efforts were made in attempt to bring the community together. The plan was for a large event with close to ten thousand people in expected attendance. Meetings were held with local organizations and the Gaboim of 770. However it was met with opposition by some community figures and politicians.
Due to some opposing beliefs, the program proposed was going to be “neutral,” one organizer said. According to an anonymous COL source, “Many of the local Shuls and mosdos were approached and expressed a strong interest in joining, but stressed that it would have to be neutral for them to join.”
A plan was organized and certain individuals in the community went to raise money for the event, expected to cost $20,000. The Police permit that was needed for the event was even obtained. Residents can remember how hard it was to obtain permits for Lag BaOmer these past couple of years.
However all their efforts were for naught. Zalmen Lipskier, a Gabbay in 770 opposed the idea. Telling COL; “The Rebbe gave the event to the Gaboim … The event will be exactly like it was then … They said ‘We Want Moshiach Now.’ Today we say ‘Yechi.’”
He continued saying; “We asked other mosdos to come, but they wanted their things. Not saying Yechi is not believing the Rebbe is Rebbe.” And he acknowledged that some local organizations, schools and residents will not participate under his conditions.
The other 770 Gaborim are beleived to behind the event with the original conditions. Allowing everybody to attend.
Lipskier was quoted on COL saying, “We are putting up Yechi signs, saying as much Yechi as we want, and everyone should kush mir in ——-.”
Menachem
The more Lipsker pushes the “yechi” the more people will be turned off to messianist Lubavitchers. This will hurt the movement, making it really look like the cult it has been accused to be. When will Krinsky evict these meshugganah mechihistens?
Poshter Yid
Yup, things as usual. But even if an agreement had been made to be neutel it would have been breeched by the Tzfatim who are very adept at making promises and destroying events at their moment. Nu, Besser Azoy. Thank you Zalman Lipsker for the great “Kiddush shem shomayim’ you continously make.
So sad about my schechunah
Such an aidel, refined man is “Gabbai” in 770? I’m so certain the Rebbe would just be thrilled to hear the coarseness out of Lipskier’s mouth.
Now he has single-handedly destroyed something that I personally was so excited about. What a lowlife. The schools were correct to back out, but the sad thing is I will not live long enough to participate in the next one & I was looking forward to being able to do this mitzvah. Guess I’ll do it alone on my porch.
But I think there should be independent security patrols to stop them screaming Yechi over loudspeakers & spoiling it for everyone else. How about a separate area where they can yell & dance as they did on Gimmel Tammuz.
In the end I have to hold Rabbi Krinsky responsible. How does he allow this to continue? The courts said Aguch is in charge, but they are too weak to stand up to the schoolyard bullies. I am so disappointed in someone I once held in the highest esteem. Isn’t there anyone who can stand up to these hatemongerers? No one??
me myself and i
wow this ones gona get a lot of comments :)
This can-t remain this way!!!!!
Bs”d
Why can’t Tzivos Hashem organize this and whoever is not happy with it being neutral should either have charata or unfortunately not come. Remember, you are not being asked to change your opinion. only to keep it to yourself for the sake of SHOLOM. This applies to ALL opinions other than the issue at hand, which is to say birchas hachama as a unified community.
Hakhel
Don’t you want to be there by the Hisgalus?
About Yechi- learn the Sicha of Parshas Toldos, Tof Shin Nun Beis and watch the weekly sicha of this past Shabbos or learn it inside- Beis Nissan Tof Shin Mem Ches and watch the Rebbe videos of the latest years, THEN… tell me your view on Yechi, and besides, Achdus should be with all Yidden no matter what, no matter who!!! It doesn’t matter what our fellow Yidden say or do- we love them no matter what- that is the point of Hakhel!!! If you don’t say Yechi- so be it but don’t stop a Hakhel of all Yidden because you don’t agree with one sentance that your fellow Lubavitchers feel and say!!!
A real Chossid of the Rebbe would join and make a point to be at the Hakhel, come rain or shine, with Yechi or not, as Lubavitchers we follow our Rebbe and that means Achdus and Ahavah amongths ALL Lubavitchers- with whatever feelings or sayings come along with it. We Chassidim of the Rebbe are coming together to make a Hakhel and give Nachas to our Rebbe- let there PLEASE be no fights and no Machlokes- let Every Lubavitcher join and support each other!
WE (ALL Yidden together as one!) WANT MOSHIACH NOW!!!
neutral
neutral means no yechi and not to talk about the rebbe in a way that sounded like he died.
lipskar, i think your problem is that your rebbe did die, bc if were hear you would never talk that way
Please give me some advise
B’H
Hello Fellow Lubavitchers.
Please help me resolve my confusion. I very much want to go to 770 and do this specail Mitzvah in the place where the Rebbe did his and I really can’t think of a more apropriate place. On the other hand I am really not interested in seeing this event hijacted by the flag wavers who will sing their own songs and chants and dsiregard everyone else.
This is a Mitzvah we can only do a few times in our lives. I don’t want to make a mistake. Where should I go? I am taking my small children with me and I want them to get the very best expeience. Please give me your thoughts.
Thank you
yankel der shiker
any why does neutral mean no yechi
why cant achdus mean to allow everyone their expression
why should you impose your ways on em ??
whay cant you give in once and make achdus with us ?
why does this publicty stunt go against the gaboyim why can you join them
why cant you all show achdus and come to a shabbos achdus in 770 (oh i wont go there they yechi) maybe such attidute is anti achdus maybe that is your hate towards your fellow yid
let us all gather in front of 770 and let us allow those that want to say yechi say and those that dont want to say not say
and let us see who is louder and if it is as you say that most people do not want to say yechi then that would be a great show that only a minority of people are saying it
ha how about that
shocked!!
this is totally beyond me!!!
so this man is willing to dis-unify everyone so he can say yechi…??? wow! seriously, he wants to say yechi, let him, but to himself. no ones telling him he personally cant say it. why cant it be a neutral event where no one states there opinions…and forget these stupid politics for a few hours! i mean c’mon, someone has to stopp this, he cant just do that and make everyone else suffer. wow i could never imagine how someone is willing to ruin this event for everyone. thank you!
its good to know that yechi is more important then having the community unified for once.
sick and tired!
Lubavitch is so pathetic. the hate and lack of achdus is so disgusting and pathetic it makes people look at us like a sickness. Its such a turnoff. If you want to say Yechi, then say it to yourself. If you dont, then dont! You dont need to push your beliefs on others whether to say or not. Cant this pathetic excuse of a “community” do ANYTHING right? PLEASE! this is so stupid and pathetic. Good going to the ones who are trying to enforce their beliefs on others. You’ll have to explain after 120 years why you caused so much hate and distrust, breaking up a community. thanx for nothing Gabboyim!
ONCE EVERY 28 YEARS
GUYS COME ON ITS ONCE EVERY 28 YEARS!!!! CAN WE PLEASE MAKE A COMPRIMISE FOR THIS!! NOT EVERYONE WILL BE AROUND FOR THE NEXT ONE!!!!!!!
ASTONISHED AND IN SHOCK!!!
so sad and pathetic. truly a loss to all those who were looking forward to this. some of them for the last time in thier lives. and all the countless people around the world that would have seen it (kiddush hashem, lubavitch and our great rebbe) broadcast in the media.
SHAME ON YOU LIPSKIER!!!! SHAME!!!
HOW DOES THIS BRING MOSHIACH ANY CLOSER?!?! HOW?!?!
you say “kush in —-,” i say “bist a ferd vos hot nisht a por tzu em!”
to So sad about my schechunah
Saying that Lipsker has “single-handedly” done anything might land you in court for discrimination….
Yasher Koach Mickey Goldman
A special Yasher Koach to Micky Goldman from South Africa for arranging The Rebbe’s 100th Birthday rally in front of 770. It was just as difficult to navigate politically but he went with an emes and persevered creating the most meaningful and inspiring event since Gimmel Tammuz.
Please explain
Why is it that we all have to listen and agree with one person.
i think we should all tell lipskar a harty kushen T—- and tell him to stay home…
c-mon lets ALL grow up!!!!!
who exactly will not survive if they DO say Yechi
Whom does it bother – after all we are talking about OUR very own REBBE – so why is it so terrible if they DO say Yechi
You know what? There was an attempt after Bombay to make a HUGE gathering in 770 for whole anash in Crown heights – all gaboim and evryone agreed – but guess what – it fell through because Mendel Kotlarsky, Rabbi Moshe’s Son said that if a certain member of the rebbes secretariat attends them Moshe cant attend
so c’mon lets stop all this nonsense – time to be big boys – lets all get together once and for all – who ever wants to say Yechi can say it and whoevery dosnt want to say yechi dont say it
stop this political nonsense- i hear much worse words then Yechi said by many people who dont say Yechi – words that are not meant for print – so c’mon – grow up
Dan L-Kaf Zechus
Just a note to all who read this article and are about to (or already have) start ranting and raving – remember that it’s very clearly slanted in one direction, as is any piece in the media. Yes, it would be a shame if this doesn’t happen. But you don’t know the whole story, and therefore have no right to judge anyone quoted in the story or anyone else you automatically associate with this issue.
Maybe instead of yelling at everyone to have achdus, each person should just think about their own actions and make sure he personally is behaving with ahavas yisroel. Then iy”h the Rebbe will lead this year’s Birchas HaChamah in a revealed way and we won’t have to deal with any of this silliness.
So sad etc
You’re quite right. He incited plenty of violence from other like-minded lunatics. I should never have said “single-handedly”. I gave him too much credit. Thanks for pointing it out.
To the mother…come join me on my porch. You & I & our children can have our own private Hakhel & cry as we remember how Lubavitch once was….
Chabad
what is more important to the Rebbe?
Yechi or Achdus?
Alex Heppenheimer
How about this for a compromise:
Let there first be scheduled the parts of Birkas Hachammah that everyone can agree on: the Nusach, children reciting the 12 Pesukim, possibly a video from 5741, etc.
Afterwards, let there be set aside an extra 15 minutes, or however long as appropriate (during the time that the police permit is still in effect), when Yechi can be said/sung, flags can be waved, etc. Those who want, will stay for this portion, and for them it will be part and parcel of the ceremony; those who don’t can leave and continue with their Pesach preparations.
i dont understand!!
Is it better that everyone should be united or to say yechi???
Seriously, this is getting really pathetic, since when did “we want moshiach..” become “yechi,..” this is way beyond me…
alter kaker
I’m considered a old fart. but i have more respect for the bais shmuel chevre than lipskier. one is building a badly needed mikvah for chabad the other is causing machlokes with this yechi business. my olny hope is the new generation.
all of u!!!
Zalmen Lipskier g-d bless you! you are 100% right!
then they said we want moshiach now!! now we say yechi!
the rebbe told the gabayim to take care of bircha hachamo everyone else mix OUT!!! for all those of you who are saying rebbe this rebbe that you care about the rebbe be quit and let the gabayim arrange it however thay see fit.
p.s. as long as it has yechi!!!!
DEMOCRACY
we live in a democracy right and when there is too many opinions and deadlock “too smart” u make a vote on different enactments ways and means and forums
we look to a group to put together a list of resolutions that the whole crown heights horde should vote upon supervised by both parties
yechi
okay, i’m seriously neutral, and I really think it’s more of an ego thing here,
even if Lipskier says they’ll say yechi, you really think they’ll say it 100 times? they’ll say it once or three times…and so…big deal!
and signs…if there are signs who cares ?
bring the geula
Rabbi Lipskier, isn’t the cause of this galus the opposite of ahavas chinam? If people oppose your views of saying yechi, shouldn’t you still give them the benefit of the doubt and see that they try to bring the geula in a different manner and respect their feelings? True, people should also respect your feelings about saying yechi so maybe you can say it quietly so it won’t upset others.
Shmuly S.
What a shame!! I think these websites are to blame for taking this lousy story and making a whole political arena out of it.
open minded
there obviosely is a nother side to the story (like every story the like) i wonder what it is
smart idea
go Alex Heppenheimer!!!!!!!
totally agree with you…
let the last whatevr be designated to yechi..whoever wants to consider it part of the event stay and enjoy. whoever doesnt go home!!!! this way we do the bracha and everything in achdus..and hopefully by then moshiach will be here!!!!!!!!
Toooo Juicy
I just had to comment.I love reading these comments, they inspire me to do more good in the world!! Guess what!! I bet you the 20,000 raised that if everyone who read this committed themselves to spread as much goodness and kindness in the world as possible, the Rebbe will surely lead the largest Hakhel event in the history of the world, in Yerushalayim. Buy you Korbon Pesach now!!
So, you have a choice. Sit around and complain or stand up and let your actions speak for themselves….
Totally, you can’t possibly disagree, right? So, you sulk back to bed after reading this on the computer, upset with something or someone….
What will now be different? What are you doing?
Reuven
Yechi = Avodah Zoroh
It will be the end of the Chabad movement and all the good work the Rebbe did. So sad. Such a waste. Such nonsense.
chossid of the rebbe mhm
to my fellow chassidim!
Moshiach is coming and i feel and know bircas hachama is a very auspicious time for moshiach to come. so lets stop fighting about stupid things and no matter what unify as a whole and greet melech hamoshiach NOW!
Stewie griffin
In the words of the great Mr. Griffin….COME ON….
z lipsker
Lipsker is a total idiot. If you think hes just stubborn over the yechi issue, because he doesnt care to alienate the anti crowd, you are mistaken. Hes gone ahead and alienated his own yechi base, by putting up Rabbi ozdoba to make the Siyum. He has now alienated 70% of the meshichisten. Obviously, the man doesnt care about his own constituency. It now looks like there will be 3 birchas hachamos this year, the 3rd one for people who say yechi and dont want to see or hear Rabbi Ozdoba after the Chilul Hashem he caused by defying a beis Din and promoting courts.
Live and let live
I cannot believe that the gaboyim would let a whole community down by not making an event based on what lipskier said. so if yechi might be said means that the WHOLE CH cant have a gathering, a gathering that takes place ONCE every 28 yrs.
chab al arein in bud and make the event!!
First hand knowledge
Zalman Lipsker was also the reason why no memorial was held in 770 in memory of the Mumbai Kedoshim.
The entire world was able to unite, Satmar, Lubavitch, Bobov, Zionist Jews and who not? The only place in the world that it can’t happen is in 770. And that’s not because of anybody besides for Zalman Lipsker.
Remember this by the next election for Gaboyim.
lubavitcher girl
This year’s Birchas Hachama is the 3rd time in history that it’s in this kviyus!! 1st time- Yetzias mitzrayim, 2nd time- Miracle of Purim, 3rd time- THIS YEAR, when Moshiach will come now! AD MOSAI! I’m going to do Birchas Hachama this year in front of 770 no matter what the politics are!! If Moshiach comes at that second, I want to see our Rebbe and that is for sure the place to be!! Rebbe- Ad Mosai?!?!?!!! We want Moshiach NOW!
Shchuneh resident
why does CH shchuneh need to be like a war between Arabs and Jews lehavdil.
we are one community why all the sinas chinam what would the REBBE want has anyone stopped one second to think about this.
the community is all about who can out beat each other if one wants to say Yechi let them say it to themselves and not blast it in everyones faces and force the cult on others.
Birchas Hachama is a time for peace and harmony it a is a beautiful thing and for the entire community to come together as one as in ACHDUS would be a amazing thing, but since everyone in this community is so hung up on each other it would never happen. WHY WHY WHY cant we all come together as one.
The REBBE would love nothing more to the achdus of the community.
vey iz mir
this is just so stupid.
i can’t believe that this unique and unusual mitzva is being hijacked by politics.
arrgggggggghhhhhhhh!
stupid, stupid, stupid!!!
28
Birchas hachama is once every 28 years. Yechi = 28. Say yechi once every 28 years.
LET-S RISE TO THE OCCASION
READ IT AS IT IS STATED:
“… THE REBBE WAS RUNNING THE SHOW…”
“… IT WILL BE AS IT WAS… THEY SAID WE WANT MOSHIACH NOW…”
IF IT IS MEANT TO BE AS THEN…. THEN WE SHOULD NOW AS WELL SAY WE WANT MOSHIACH NOW….
TO CREATE SO MUCH MACHLOKES, WHEN ACHDUS SHOULD BE THE FOCUS…. WHERE IS EVERYONE’S MIND???????
ARE WE REALLY TRYING TO BRING MOSHIACH, OR WHAT??
HOW ELSE CAN IT HAPPEN IF NOT BY ACHDUS?
HOW WILL WE EXPLAIN TO OUR CHILDREN THAT THE SO MUCH AWAITED MOMENT THAT THEY WERE LOOKING FORWARD TO IS CANCELLED BECAUSE SAYING YECHI MEANT MORE THAN WE WANT MOSHIACH NOW?
HOW WILL I TELL THEM THAT THE YECHI I TAUGHT THEM TO SAY WILL BE THE VERY CAUSE OF NOT LIVING A FIRST TIME, SO UNIQUE AND MOST SPECIAL MOMENT IN THEIR’S, SO MANY OTHERS’, EVEN MINE,LIVES???
IF WE ARE TO IMPACT OUR CHILDREN’S LIVES, OUR OWN, AND ALL THOSE AROUND US…. WE SHOULD ALL BE THERE, IN FRONT OF 770, PROGRAM OR NOT…. FOR THE SAKE OF THE MOMENT ITSELF, AND HOW THE REBBE WOULD HAVE WANTED US, NO… EXPECTED US TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT, REGARDLESS OF ANYONE’S VIEWS!!
YECHI HAMELECH, WE WANT MOSHIACH NOW!!!!
no chometz
Each side is trying to get rid of the other side’s chometz, instead of their own.
a normal young adult
And then you all wonder why are children/teenages are not religious or act the way they do, their parents are too busy with politics or moshiach or all this oter bullshit, for all those wondering, I AM ONE OF THOSE TEENS. Don’t send others away, stop the politics.
??????
Go Lipskier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is insane! I was so excited to see everyone gathered together doing such a special mitzvah and how much more so when its a year of hakhel!!!
Yechi is not a reason to cancel something so great.
Dear friends
This is for the confused and disappointed children, teens and everyone else out there that is not living in “the schuna” and has read this article and its comments.
On behalf of my fellow Chassidim (Yechi or not) I would like to apologize for all of this nourishkeit (ridiculousness!) and hope that you understand that this is not Chabad and this is not what the Rebbe and Chasidus is about. I totally understand you if you feel so confused about Chabad and Yiddishkeit itself and if things are hard for you because it is really so hard nowadays to see the truth and want to be apart of such things. I’m so sorry on their behalf that things have become so messed up that you might feel so sickened and turned off. Just wanted you to know that I’m thinking about you and hoping you realize the truth and that this is the reason why we are in Golus still.
WAKE UP YIDDEN!!!!!!!!
TO LUbavith Girl
Birchas hachamo also fell out other times on erev pesach and i think one of them was in 1901
Neutral shmutral
There seems to be one issue no one is addressing: If we rely on precedent, the Rebbe authorized the Gaboyim to plan for this event. As unfortunate a situation as it is, Lipsker and Co. are the current gaboyim, we all can vote them out at the next election.
If the gaboyim tried to push their view on how things should be done in the Rebbes office or at the kinnus hashluchim they would certainly be the villians yet here when it is their domain they are somehow still the villians?! Is this what is meant by neutral?!
Snag
As an anti chabadsker, I must say how much I am enjoying this thread.
Keep it up!
Rebbe-s Chossid
I was gonna come to 770, but not now. Once again we screwed up a good thing.
very nice
Lipsker must be in his glory. Hes finally getting the recognition he alone feels he deserves. Let him go back to his little hole and stay there..and lets stop talking about him.
to lubavitcher girl wrote
it took place on erev pesach in the year 5685 – 1925!
Lubavitcher Chosid
B”H
There will probably be a big Olam and arrangements I am sure will be planned as such.
All those who are looking for machlokes you can stay home. The rest of us 98% whether you say Yechi or Don’t make sure to come early so you will have a good place.
A frailichen Pesach
fact finder
We say “dovid meleach yisroel chai v’kayom” in kiddush levono! Can a group come now and say I won’t join a shuls prayer service if they recite those words??!!!! Ychi is something that started with the rebbi and will forever remain in our prayers. On a side note the families that say ychi are generally more happy!!! A rebbi from a local yishiva once went trough all the boys that are from ychi families and found with out any room for error those that said ychi where the ones that where happy active joyess and free and seemed to be freindly and the list goes on..those that came from anti ychi backrounds acted down unhappy etc.
CHABADNIK
GEVALD G E V A L D ! ! !
WE ARE HOLDING BACK MOSHIACH!!!
BITUL !!!
ITS STILL NOT TO LATE TO U N I T E!!! P L E A S E ! ! !
THE REBBE IS CRYING WHEN THIS HAPENS……………
Sam
Hmmm … it looks to me like “nuetral” means – do everything that Beis Shmuel & Co. want and nothing that the Mechoochoos want. That’s like saying the Germans were nuetral in WWII – they justed wanted “all your bases under their control!”
Here’s the world according to Sam: for the anti’s and the other modern orthodox shuls (Beis Shmuel, etc) in Crown Heights, Yechi means nothing. It’s just words. I don’t think most anti’s subscribe to Berger’s view that it is Kefirah, right? So why not let the Machoochoos say Yechi a few times? I think nuetral means what I call “controlled Yechi” – let them say it once at the beginning, once at the end, and that is it. That looks more like a compromise to me.
So far everyone has attacked Lipskier. I agree, the man sounds like a Baheima, if COL can be believed on this one. But really – which party is really haolding up the show with strict demands that they will not back down from? It looks to me like its the anti’s who are messing up this one.
As for the notion that people fry out because of this machlokes – no big loss. Such fry-outs clearly are just seeking a pretext to shave and toke it up. (Although has anyone pointed out to them that they could just go to Beis Shmuel and still keep Shabbos(somewhat)?)
So what – Lubavitchers argue – does that mean there is no G-d, that there was no Rebbe, and that Chassidus is bunk? Don’t blame the Rebbe and Chassidus for the foolishness of mere mortal, flawed, and sinful Crown Heights-ers. Clearly, people who fry out because of this are not great Maskilim who have come to the conclusion that there is no G-d – they are just lazy, petty, not-to-bright detritus that would have fried out anyway next week because “their teacher was unfair, etc etc,” if not this week.
Take some responsibility for your lives.
yechi=28
“28 wrote:
Birchas hachama is once every 28 years. Yechi = 28. Say yechi once every 28 years.”
How much more so to say yechi on that auspicious day!!!
Exactly as it was then
Zalman Lipskier is quoted as saying “The event will be exactly as it was then. They said We want Mashiach now. We say Yechi.” Hmmm, does not sound “exactly the same”, does it? “We want Mashiach now” was said then k’ish echad b’lev echad. Yechi has become a divisive chant. So how is that “exactly as it was then”?! Unfortunately, the “my way or the highway” atttiude is “exactly the way it is now”, R”L!
here come the excuses
fact finder wrote:
We say “dovid meleach yisroel chai v’kayom” in kiddush levono! Can a group come now and say I won’t join a shuls prayer service if they recite those words??!!!! Ychi is something that started with the rebbi and will forever remain in our prayers. On a side note the families that say ychi are generally more happy!!! A rebbi from a local yishiva once went trough all the boys that are from ychi families and found with out any room for error those that said ychi where the ones that where happy active joyess and free and seemed to be freindly and the list goes on..those that came from anti ychi backrounds acted down unhappy etc.
IS THAT A FACT?
LET’S GO, YOU AND ME, TO ALL THE YESHIVAS AND CHECK OUT THIS “FACT” FOR OURSELVS.
THAT IS THE BIGGEST LEI I HAVE HEARD EVER.
ALSO PEOPLE WHO SMOKE WEED, ARE ALSO MORE HAPPY ETC..V’DAL.
AM I BEING CALLED NOW “THE OTHER SIDE” OR EVIL B/C I CHOSS (WITH MY FREE CHOICE) NOT TO GO TO AN EVENT WERE YECHI IS SAID? ARE THE HUNDREDS OF INDIVIDUAL WHO MADE THE SAME CHOSS ALSO EVIL.
It wasn’t a group of people who decided not to jion if yechi is said, it was us, the people who (each one for himself) decided, WE dont want this anymore.
14 years after 3 Tammuz, how many new shuls have opened b/c WE don’t want any part in the Yechi craziness?
WE DONT WANT IT ANYMORE, ALL IT HAS BROGHT UPON US IS DISTRUCTION!!!!
Let-s not go meshugah here, OK?
B”H
I’m a Yechi sayer (a la Rambam’s 13 principles), but not a rabid one like the Tzfasnikim, etc.
Yet, Birchas Hachama is about:
1) Hashem
2) The Sun
3) The Jewish People
4) The world
I’m with Sam and with A. Heppenheimer.
everybody knows, it-s a fact
You don’t know?
IT’S A FACT!?
Everybody really believes the Rebbe is Moshiach,
Satmer, Bobev, Litvak, Bresliv and even the taxi driver,
It’s only a few Lubavitchers (who we will call “Anti”) who don’t believe. If we can convince (or even force) those very few, then moshiach will come.
IT’S A FACT!
EVERYBODY KNOWS!
Yekhi Hamelek!!
where is mickey goldman?
where is mickey goldman? HI,RI,SA??? where ever. i was looking forward for this event, i want it to be a serious event not a circus with flags and slogans. what a shame!!! why cant some real men stand up and say enough is enough and ditch these machlokas gabboim ain mul fahr aleh mul!
Mishichist rule
If you’re not a mishichist, then you have the Right to remain silence!
Here are the Rules.
Only a Mishichist has the Right to say Yechi in a place where people don’t say Yechi.
If you don’t say Yechi, then Kish in Toches and eat your heart out! If you will say something to that person who came to your Shul and said Yechi, we will banish you with words like, “were you’re Acduse?” “Why does it have to bother you?” Are you a hater?“ ”Everybody should be able to do what they want, the mishichist will say Yechi and you (who do not say Yechi) can keep quit“, etc… etc…
Only a mishichist can and will decide what ”acduse and Ahavas Yisroel” is.
It is only making Machlokes when you stop someone from saying Yechi (the person saying Yechi is a true believer and only wants unity, therefore he has the Right).
If you don’t say Yechi then you don’t believe in moshiach and the Rebbe.
This list can go on and on….
A HOUSE DIVIDED pt 1
Intimidation; threating; making you feel like perhaps you are the crazy one;the hatefulone, the non believeretc… is nothing new.
This has been the mishichist/shmira/”koved Rabonim”/liberal tactic throght out all these years.
The following is an article written several years back (1996),still applies today (nothing has changed, maybe got worse).
A HOUSE DIVIDED
By Shoshanna Silcove
The “Messianist” (or “Moshichists”) as they call themselves, are a fringe group of fanatics within Lubavitch. The Messianist ringleaders created this aberrant movement by using some of the same tactics employed by many of the well known tyrants of history. The same dynamics of group psychology that I studied in college are at play here. Fanaticism of all kinds, but especially religious fanaticism, all share the same ugly face of intolerance, rigidity, irrationality, hatred and rage. The difference here is that this fanatic movement has as its central figure, our beloved Lubavitcher Rebbe (zt”l), who was a great giant of Torah righteousness and truth. Herein lies the real tragedy of this illegitimate movement within Lubavitch – that it misrepresents the Rebbe and threatens to destroy everything he built.
It all began when the unthinkable occurred. After a long and protracted illness the Rebbe finally went the way of all flesh, leaving us, his kinderlach, in a state of helplessness, shock and grief. For over forty years the world had watched this great tzadik in amazement as he accomplished what seemed to be superhuman feats. His influence permeated both the entire Jewish and non-Jewish world. I personally lived within blocks of the Rebbe for over a decade and can say unequivocally that this was the most formative decade of my life. As a baalas teshuvah who had been educated to believe in secular moral relativism, it was only the Rebbe who could have brought me closer to Hashem and His Torah. The Rebbe made Moshiach a palpable reality. The Rebbe could make us all practically see, feel, smell, and taste Moshiach.This is why we all felt that if Moshiach were imminent, as the Rebbe promised us he was, then the Rebbe must have been the Moshiach himself. After all, we asked, who else could it be?
This is the background from which this false Messianic movement sprung.The Messianic ringleaders wasted little time after the Rebbe’s demise and immediately went to work. They created a new ideology using distortions and misrepresentations of the Rebbe’s discourses and were able to convince a large portion of the masses that the Rebbe would still be revealed as the Moshiach even after his death. I vividly recall sitting in 770 and listening to the Messianic lectures. They told the people not to cry. They actually said it was a sin to cry since it showed lack of faith. I paid no heed to their words as I uncontrollably cried bitter tears from the depth of my broken heart. The tear less crowd gave me cold stares as their Messianic teachers told them that people like myself didn’t really believe. The dynamics of group psychology were being cleverly manipulated by the Messianic ringleaders who told their legions that they were actually spiritually superior to people like me. The Messianist ringleaders played upon the vulnerability of the masses’ emotions. They placated the crowd into a mindless stupor and told them they had nothing to be saddened about because the Rebbe was really here. They called in respected rabbis and teachers and quoted the Rebbe’s discourses repeatedly until a large portion of the masses became brainwashed.They told the people what they wanted to hear. And those who dared to disagree or argue with their logic were ostracized from the group. The message became clear – you believe like us or you are not part of the group and are thereby not worthy of our love and friendship. The weaker ones succumbed. They became intimidated psychologically and would choose not to speak out. No one wants to be ostracized. They even went so far as to tell the people that if one did not believe that the Rebbe was still Moshiach after his death, then one was a non-believer in the entire concept of Moshiach altogether and was going against the Rebbe.
A HOUSE DIVIDED pt 2
This aberrant movement began to gain steam very quickly. The Messianic ringleaders made certain that every single class was dedicated to propagating their new Messianic ideology. The baalei teshuvah became their most vulnerable victims. As a baalas teshuvah I can assert that most of my peers are insufferably naive when it comes to their teachers. Baalei teshuvah come to Yiddishkeit with the openness of purity of children and most of us believe our teachers are holy, righteous and all-knowing. We basically believe everything they tell us and do not believe that we know enough Torah to argue against them.I am lucky since I was born with a healthy cynicism and an acute sense of reality. These characteristics, along with having had the right teachers, thank G-d, saved me from becoming part of the Messianic cult.
Fanaticism is like a progressive illness of the spirit that poisons one’s soul. The Messianic movement has grown in its intensity and its ferocity with time. I have watched formerly nice people whom I had known for years become mean, bitter and vicious before my eyes. I do not blame them but rather the heads of the false “leaders” of the Messianists who have a hidden agenda. These ringleaders use their legions to do their dirty work. This includes actual physical intimidation and harassment of the “non-believers” who express contrary opinions. The Messianists have created a one-sided war and they are the only ones who are fighting.
The hidden agenda of the Messianic ringleaders is one of gaining as much power as possible. They are not content with just having power over their followers, but they are also interested in gaining control over institutions and the structure of Lubavitch itself. They have attempted to encroach their power over every facet of the educational system in CrownHeights and in many cases have been successful. Some yeshivot are more subject to their influence than others, but they have to some extent made their new ideology a part of the curriculum in all of them. This has proven to be a major problem for many of the children who are becoming confused and alienated from Yiddishkeit in greater numbers than ever before. This has also become a major factor in dividing the community as never before with bitter feuds between and even within families.
Furthermore, the Messianic ringleaders have attempted to replace the structure of Lubavitch, as was originally set up by the Rebbe, with a new structure while putting themselves at the helm. They have replicated the key institutions of Lubavitch and have remade them in their own image. All of this has been done in the name of the Rebbe and the bringing of Moshiach.These fake Chassidim would never have dared to even think of attempting such perfidy if the Rebbe were alive today!
All of this is being done by them while they demonize the very people the Rebbe appointed to head these institutions. They assert that these individuals, whom the Rebbe himself hand picked as the leaders of Lubavitch, are actually evil and corrupt. Therefore, they must be saying that they (the Messianist leaders) know better than the Rebbe did about who should run Lubavitch! Apparently, they believe the Rebbe did not really know what he was doing when he chose the people to head up these institutions since he didn’t pick the Messianic ringleaders! And herein lies the real root of the entire problems with these Messianic ringleaders. Herein lies the root of all their motivations- JEALOUSLY! Just look in the beginning of the Chumash. Why did Kayin kill Hevel? Because he was jealous that Hashem preferred Hevel’s sacrifice over Kayin’s. In the same vein, these fake Chassidim who have appointed themselves as the leaders of the Messianic movement, are jealous that the Rebbe chose the members of Agudas Chasidei Chabad, and NOT THEM to be the leaders of the Lubavitch empire after his demise. The entire Messianic ideology is nothing more than a smokescreen for their true agenda of lust for power fueled by their own deep jealousy.
Unfortunately, they have divided us bitterly! They have irreparably tainted our reputation around the world! And they are tarnishing the legacy of the greatest tzadik of our century! Yet, understanding all of this, I still believe. I still believe in the triumph of light over darkness. I still believe that the Rebbe will prevail. The Rebbe stated that his true Chassidim are his emissaries and they continue to spread his true message around the globe. Therefore, I still believe that we will live to see our Holy Moshiach speedily in our days!
here come the excuses
Yes, it true!
A fact that Everybody knows!
If choose not to Davven in 770 becuase of the Yechi and all the other craziness, you are an evil anti, who is anti Rebbe, Anti Moshiach, who hates Acduse and only likes Machlokes.
And must of all you can “kish in Toches!”
You don’t deserve to live!
Moshiach Now!
Yechi Hamelech!
only with Yechi Achduse will moshiach come!
feeling good
I found the best way to make myself feel good, to make myself feel like a holy Jew and a good Chossid.
I will ignore the facts and just blame both sides
(Although there aren’t two sides here, I created this illusion to make myself feel good).
I am better than everybody else.
All I have to do is call everybody else
Idiots and Ball machlokes etc…
Man, this weed is good!
I’m high on Holy self righteousness!
To say Yechi or not to say? Who cares! I ROCK!
a suny day
I’m going to blame the sun for all this,
I think the sun should not come out that day,
otherwise the sun will be taking a side and causing more
machlokes.
ye rights!
mishicistim have the right to say Yechi
wherever however.
Regular people, regular Jews, regular chabad,
have the Right to remain silance.
that is the rule,
if you don’t like….
kish en toch!
Stop mixing malchus shmayim with malchus
WOW – WOW
The true question is one allowed to say yechi – at the same time we come to praise HASEHM??/ same question is one allowed to say Yechi just after neila when we proclaim the oneness of HASEHM? (an the psak from the rabonim was NO YOU CANT)
Stop mixing malchus shmayim with malchus yehuda
to lubavitch girl
by yetsias mitsraim and purim it wasnt on erev pesach!!!!!
this is a common mistake ppl have based on a sefer that came out in poland about a 100 yrs ago
and yes we should say yechi
truth
i am not sure if some people know what acdus means, it does not mean let me do what i want and every body should go kush in..
obviously if someone did something bad already acdus would be by not fighting, but overhere its before the maaseh and acdus can be done by just saying we want moshiach now and ad mosai which in my opinion have the affect of bringing moshiach.
Snag
Let-s not go meshugah here, OK? wrote:
“I’m a Yechi sayer (a la Rambam’s 13 principles)”
Are you also a tall guy who is short, and a white guy who is a shvartzer?
Mamesh olam hahipuch!
Let-s not go meshugah here, OK?
B”H
Dear Snag (your term, not mine!),
As a matter of fact, yes, I am all of those things you asked!
How did you know?
Love you, brother!
Let’s not go meshugah here, OK?
Yechi Adoneinu Moreinu VeRabeinu, MELECH
If you consider yourself Chabad, then you believe the Rebbe is Moshiach and you say Yechi. If you are so anti yechi, obviously you don’t believe in the Rebbe and therefore are not Chabad. In that case, you don’t really have a say in what should be done in the Rebbe’s Shul and the Rebbe’s Shechuneh. All you antis -a.k.a misnagdim- why don’t you create your own community elsewhere, and leave the REAL Chabadniks to fulfill our Rebbe’s will?!
Yechi Adoneinu Moreinu VeRabeinu, MELECH HAMOSHIACH LEOLAM VA’ED!!!
HA HA!!!
I’m laughing so hard here! Lipskier is OBVIOUSLY not the one who cancelled the event! The ANTIS did!
Itamar
I think I”m going to sell my condo and get outta crown heights.
things are getting a little too intense!
what in the world
WHAT IS WRONG WITH CROWN HEIGHTS INFO?!?!?!?!
Why Don’t You CENSOR these Disgusting comments?????????????????
Come on let’s have some Real Achdus! seriously
Just 2 comments
#1) i could see why its so important for the messy-anics to say yechi… yechi is ‘gematria’ 28 = the years of the sun’s cycle for birchas hachama!
#2) 2 types of articles posted on a web site are bound to get alot of comments: 1. this (yechi or not) where the flags, slogans and politics get bigger. 2. about bais shmuel where the beards, kapotes and skirts get smaller.
The point is: with all the above negative, bais shmuel is the only shul around here that ACTUALLY does something for the community, without politics, opinions and confusion.
out of towner
So happy i live out of town. My children dont have to see the circus. The only flags i see are American. The people in my community are mentally well.
The meshichists should spend some extra time under the sun . Maybe it will heal them. I will say an extra refuah shelema for the meshichists. Dont forget to wash your flags and pins before pesach,
Elki
To ‘Dear Friends,’ Your words are noble and probably beyond the insanity ruling here. However, unfortunately, you cannot tell kids, “This is not Chabad, this is not the…” Because that is the scenario in Crown Heights right now, and that’s what the kids see. What is true is, This is NOT what people who call themselves chabad should be doing. People messed up and the Rebbe is probably crying in Gan Eden.
I say to let the maniacs remain in Crown Heights and all true Chabadniks get out of Dodge City. The shluchim are doing the Rebbe’s work, but simultaneously, they make a brachah everyday that they’re out of town and that their kids are not in CH mosdos. This episode is one of the biggest tragedies in the whole string of tragedies over the last months.
the Rebbes chossid
Guys- remember who your Rebbe is and try to follow him! He wants Moshiach NOW! We want Moshiach NOW! Hamaseh Hu Haikar!!!!! Go and bring Moshiach NOW!!!!!!!!!
ITS TIME! GET UP AND DO SOMETHING! BRING MOSHIACH NOW! ENOUGH TALKING! GO! WERE ALL WAITING!!!!!!!
(AND REMEMBER THAT WHAT THE REBBE SAYS IS WHATS RIGHT AND NOT WHAT ANYONE ELSE SAYS! IF U CARE TO KNOW THE TRUTH THEN YOU SHOULD PROBABLY LEARN WHAT THE REBBE SAYS!)
Oy Vay
I whish you all cared so much about your next door neighbor as you care about yechi or not yechi.
It a mass psychosis. You all take this stuff so personally like my 6 year old takes his hockey team scors. or like Islam takes extremism. This is not to compare chas vishalam what the rebbeim lived for to lehavdil the importance of trees to enviormentalist, but even if your marrige is at stake you are till a competent person and handle things maturely. don’t let ideology work you up to the point where your running around with tourches.
People who beleive in something are not nuts. poeple who are against those who beleive are also not crazy. I personally am a mishichist. But if your blood boils every time you hear yechi or not yechi or zia or global warming or cutting trees or whatever then something is wrong. If a mass population could get so worked up than something is VERY wrong.
Colored
I respect all people regardless of their race, color, marital status, ethnicity or religous beleifs.
I dont care if they are Christian, Muslim, or Meshichistim.
I couldn’t care less.
me
i think these comments get the overall prize of being the most intelligent and civilized i have ever seen. mazal tov!!
whats worn with yechi?
can some one please explain to me whats so bad about yechi?!?!
thanks atun