The challenge is getting them to cooperate.
Shmira and Shomrim, private crime-patrol organizations in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, have been rivals since the late '90s, when they split.
Shmira has agreed to the merger, which was proposed in June. Shomrim has refused.
The plan would create a united, NYPD-trained patrol group the department would supervise and partially fund, a source said.
COPS: JEW GUYS NEED TO TALK!
The NYPD is trying to settle a long-running dispute between two rival Orthodox Jewish patrol groups – and keep them from taking the law into their own hands – by uniting them into one police-supervised unit, The Post has learned.
The challenge is getting them to cooperate.
Shmira and Shomrim, private crime-patrol organizations in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, have been rivals since the late ’90s, when they split.
Shmira has agreed to the merger, which was proposed in June. Shomrim has refused.
The plan would create a united, NYPD-trained patrol group the department would supervise and partially fund, a source said.
Shomrim spokesman Binyamin Lifshits says the group is concerned that the NYPD would monitor all emergency calls – including private matters like domestic disputes, which the Orthodox community wants to settle on its own.
But Shomrim’s larger objection is with Shmira, which Shomrim has accused of trying to sabotage its operations by slashing patrol-car tires, making prank emergency calls and falsely informing on Shomrim to the police.
“We don’t sit down with Shmira,” Lifshits said of his rivals, which split from Shomrim in 1999 after certain members were thrown out for alleged past criminal activity.
“The police are trying to twist our arms to work with them. This we cannot accept.”
But Yossi Stern, 38, the director of Shmira, laughs at claims made against his group.
“It’s all a bunch of rhetoric. Show me a police report,” he said. “We’re not out to harass anybody. We’re out to do a service for the community.”
The NYPD has long been frustrated with both patrols. It came to a head this year on April 14 when a member of Shmira attacked the black college-student son of a police officer.
resident
How short is Crown Heightses memory? Was the riots that far in our past?
The police then took control of Shomrim and basicaly dismanteld them. Then came the riots, we had no protection of our own.
History to repeat?
Shomrim, you stand as our protectors, do no susscumb the way Shmira did to the glee of power and police recognition, its meaningless and harmful.
Moishie
Dump the radicals and let the people who want to merge peacefully do their thing.
It’s a shame that Jews can’t get along with each other for a common cause.
CH Resident
Were is our free choice?
we the community have the right to call whom we like to help us, nobody has the right to dictate whom we call.
If we want shomrim well call shomrim,
If we want shmira well call shmira,
It is our G-d given RIGHT to us our FREE Choice!
This is mad crazy
Whats next?
Hatzala merging with EMS/FDNY?
So now when we call Hatzala we can expect who knows who to show up!
And here I was thinking that I can call 911 for EMS or 387-1750 for Hatzala.
What Chutzpa!
HISTORY REPEATED
about 20 years ago the police were successful is dismantling the then Jewish patrol by making them a so called “joint patrol”.
Then came the riots A.K.A the pogroms and OUR patrol was no more and JEWISH blood was spilled.
In the days of the riots Shomrim 774-3333 (then shmira 774-3333) was reborn again.
Thank G-d almighty they have (and will be) with us since then, always getting stronger and stronger, always there when we need them.
HOW ARE THOSE PEOPLE TRYING TO GET RIDE OF THEM? WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO DIRT THEIR NAMES?
WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE PUTTING OUR LIEFS IN DANGER SO THEY CAN GET SOME RECOGNITION?
HOW IS SHOMRIM GETTING IN THERE WAY?
Frostraded
there is no limit in helping people out.\what is the problem exactly if we were to have even 10 patrols doing Chesed out there, the more the better.
Shomrim does much much more then just security, are they going to dictate what Hatzala should do, are they going to dictate what Chevra shimcha Shabbos V’yomtov should do?
they should mind their own business!
If they don’t want to help thats fine but at least they should not try to shut down a group of volunteers who are helping.
Frostraded
commUNITY
Shomrim we love you!
stay with the community and the community will stay with you.
When it comes to leadership shomrim leads the way, when it comes to action/doing shomrim leads the way.
Think good it will be good, maybe even better -gam zu l’tova
Land for peace? say NO WAY!
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
“Holiness means distinctiveness. A Jew must march to a different beat. It doesn’t matter what the rest of the world is doing. We are a people apart.”
A message for shomrim:
DON’T GIVE UP LAND [YOUR PRINCIPLES] FOR [A FAKE] PEACE!
If your hearts are pure and what you are doing every day comes from a True desire to help another then with Hashems help you will out live this.
Just continue business as usual.
A thankful Crown Heights Resident.
Hashem Yerachem
shomrim has worked with the police so nicely all these years, is this the way to say thank you?
Just know, even a NYPD police officer who does not want to patrol with a fellow officer has that right, you can not be forced to do anything (as long as your in the boundaries of the law).
If I as a resident and a citizen of the great country of the United States of America wants to allow shomrim (or whom ever I want to call) to check my back yard; walk in to my living room that is my right!
WHAT NEXT???
G-d Bless
We need Peace
Before we have comments from the HOLY people about “PEACE” etc… Before you right YOUR Sichos answer this question first…
What is “TRUE PEACE”?
Were are our community leaders?
How long is the new inspector in crown Heights for that he was already able to determine whos who and whats what?
Were are our community leaders, how can they let this happen?
were is Chanina?
were is Shea Hecht?
were is Rabashken?
were is Barry Suger?
True peace
the word “peace” used loosely usually means to live and let live.
Don’t bother me and I want bother you!
The reason I say that is because we use that word only when there is a fight/conflict and the main goal in a conflict is to first get both sides to make “Peace” meaning stop bothering each other. Afterwards comes “True peace”, but for “true” peace to happen it’s got to be natural (not forced).
So, Can there be peace?
Shomrim says that it has been in Peace (live and let live) with shmira ever since in split, on the other hand shmiras ACTIONs throw out these years that they wanted to pick a fight.
Sad, sad indeed!
I think that shomrim has the right to do what it wants (as long as it’s lawful) ans live in peace (like all of us would like).
I don-t get it???
“The NYPD is trying to settle a long-running dispute between two rival Orthodox Jewish patrol groups – and keep them from taking the law into their own hands – by uniting them into one police-supervised unit,”
Isn’t it shmira that has taken the law in to it own hands time after time all these years? isn’t this why we are in this mess to begin with? Shomrim has always worked with the police, they are not the problem here.
If the inspector had half a brain he would have shut down shmira and “united” [made stronger] his relationship with shomrim.
Conclusion:
Shmira was always anti police
shmira was always doing things agents the law.
Shomrim always worked with NYPD (and I hear they still are in good terms with the police officers that they worked with in the past).
Who is the brains behind this operation, he’s proofing not to be so bright.
Besides this should not be a NYPD issue, shomrim works for the community and NYPD should also be working for the community and not agents.
I am very confused
the first order of the day i would urge the hatzoloh members to make peace with the group that was excluded from the hatzoloh and i would ask the ems of the city of ny to make sure it is done.
now for the real story if shmira want to be part of the NYPD who cares ?
why is shomrim have to follow anyone ?
do your stuff and be happy.
and to shomrim as the riot started and the shmira a“h was nowere to be found the jews of the community started a new patrol that was named like the rest of the jewish Neighborhoods and the name is SHOMRIM with phone number
718 774 3333
now shomrim stand strong and help the community do not bow to the goyim
a goy is not looking to help you.
and the police dont need any help they just need to do the job .
did they find who killed efryim klein hy”d ?
did they protect yankel rosenbaum hy”d ?
Yossi Fraenkel
to all my dear fellow members of our Shomrim Family, and to the rest of the community, please don’t give up, trust me, we have seen so many commanders and brass in the 71 and they just come and go, WE ARE HERE TO STAY.
the inspector just comes in for 8-10 hours a day (not forgetting his 2 days off) where he doesn’t care about our community, we live here and will never leave
no land for peace
as costumery by jews i would ask a rabbi to give a psak din in writing.
if there is any way according to the torah to give the hatzolo or shomrim to be supervised by the goyim.
all the nice guys be a shame of yourself who gave you permission to play with jewish blood ?
KOL DMAI ACHICHO TZOIAKIM MIN HOADOMO.
yankel rosenbaum hy“d .
efryim klein hy”d
how many more you want to give from us ?
shame shame shame
the shomrim should teach the cops!!!!
i dont get it
we have an amaizing group of peaple called shomrim and we have a good for nothing police force which all thay do is give tickets and thay want this stuped police force to teach our shomrim? it should be “punkt farhert”
Yossi Fraenkel
mr inspector,
you put down Shomrim and Praise a organization that just a few months ago was the center of the media frenzy where they got the blame for beating a child on the streets of crown heights. people who terrorise our community.
WHERE WERE THEY WHEN AN OFF DUTY POLICE OFFICER WAS INJURED IN A CAR ACCIDENT??????
WHERE WERE THEY WHEN DETECTIVE OFFICER RUSSEL TIMOSHENKO WAS ON HIS DEATHBED, WHEN EVERY SINGLE OFFICER NO MATTER WHAT RANK WERE IN NEED OF COMFORT AND RELIEF, WHEN EVERY MEMBER OF SHOMRIM CAME TO SHOW THEIR RESPECT AND OFFER ASSISTANCE?????
WHERE WERE THEY WHEN A COP GOT INJURED?????
WHO ARE THE ONES THAT WHEN A COP GETS INJURED THEY COME DOWN TO THE HOSPITAL WITH CASES UPON CASES OF WATER AND SNACKS SO THE OFFICERS DON’T PASS OUT IN THE HOSPITAL CORRIDORS???? WHO ARE THE ONES THAT ASSIST THE POLICE ALL THE TIME??????
I’M SORRY TO TELL YOU INSPECTOR, IT IS SHOMRIM CHECK IT UP FOR YOURSELF, ASK THE DAD TO DAY POLICE OFFICERS, ASK THE CHIEF, ASK THE COMMISSIONER, ASK THE BOROUGH, ASK THE 4X12 SHIFT, ASK THE 8X4 SHIFT, ASK THE MIDNIGHT SHIFT, ASK THE IMPACT TEAM, ASK THE APL TEAM, ASK EVERY PERSON IN THE DEPARTMENT WHO WORKS AND HAS GIVEN THEMSELVES TO HELP THE POLICE WITH THE JEWISH COMMUNITY, WHO’S THE ONES THAT EVEN LAST NIGHT GOT CALLED TO ASSIST A POLICE OFFICER ON THE STREET, DON’T EVEN ASK ME FOR NAMES CAUSE I’M NOT GONNA GET THAT OFFICER IN TROUBLE.
AND YOU STILL PRAISE SHMIRA, WHO WHEN THERE WAS AN INJURED OFFICER WERE CAUGHT 3 TIMES TRYING TO GO INTO THE ROOM WHERE THE OFFICER WAS LYING TO TRY AND TAKE PICTURES TO RELEASE TO THE PUBLIC, AFTER BEING THROWN OUT OF THE HOSPITAL THEY TRIED GOING THROUGH ANOTHER DOOR, OH AND I ALMOST FORGOT THEY FLASHED A NICE GOLD SHIELD.
AND YOU SUPPORT THESE DECEITFUL PEOPLE, ONE OF WHO THREATENED ME, YES ME! YOSSI FRAENKEL WHO A FEW WEEKS EARLIER GOT A CALL FROM HIM, CAN I ARRANGE KOSHER FOOD FOR ONE OF HIS MEMBERS THAT GOT LOCKED UP IN THE 71 AND YES I DID, I TOOK FOOD DOWN AND HELPED SPEED THE PROCESS, JUST TO GET TERRORIZED BY A SICK ORGANIZATION IN RETURN,
MR INSPECTOR YOU HAVE MY NUMBER I WOULD LIKE AN ANSWER, BUT NOT FROM ANYONE BUT YOURSELF SO YOU CAN ANSWER ME AND WE CAN HAVE A GREAT DEBATE ON THE TRUTH, ONLY THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH
Daniel
הוו זהירין ברשות, שאין מקרבין לו לאדם, אלא לצורך עצמן, נראין כאוהבין בשעת הנאתן, ואין עומדין לו לאדם בשעת דחקן
פרקי אבות ב:ג
This is why we have our Torahץ
spell check please!
to just about every person here that made a comment please for the rest of the readers sake copy paste your writings into word and do a spell check before you post it can hardly understand some of the things that were written.
i love and hate people on both sides
look i do hear the concerns of the police depatment being involved however the most important thing to do is have one united group whatever it takes.
we dont have 2 hatzolas and they do a great job so i dont know what the whole free choice thing is about……
shomrim in BP and Willly have this same system that they are trying to put in place here and it works well there, they are still there own group they just have recognition. they just need to have one group that the entire community back to work with.
enough is enough
what about Leni the terrorist that napoleon brought to the precinct, trying to cause so much trouble, welcome to world war 3 the precinct commander and his pooch against the rest of the precinct and the jewish community.
All shomrim has to do is continue doing good. Stick it out the storm will pass.
person
I don’t understand, Shomrim and the police department have been getting along forever now, What in the would happened?
They got along like a married couple, each had differences but they always worked it out. There were time that shomrim had a misunderstanding with the police but once they worked it out their relationship only got better.
Shomrim was and is good for the community and the fact that shomrim and the police were getting along was even better for the community. why would Semioneti ruin that relationship “IF IT AIN’T BROKE DON’T FIX”
Shmira is bad for our community, The people running shmira are a bounce of gangsters. On what ground is Semioneti taking them in?
The question is also on the timing.
How long is that Shmok even here? 3 month, in that time he already past judgment? There has not even been a precinct meeting since he came and from what I recall from the last precinct meeting shomrim and the police were doing just fine.
JUDGE AND JURY???
WHO MADE HIM JUDGE AND JURY???
And in (the first) Three weeks that he was here (which two of those he took off on vacation) he was able to come to a conclusion?
In 3 weeks he figured out how to salve all the problem in Crown Heights?
In 3 weeks he was able to reform/change a group which are known to be gangsters and anti police to “goodies two shoes” who are so loved and caring? In 3 weeks he was able to take a good group of people and paint them like criminals?
ALL THIS IN 3 WHOLE WEEKS, THIS GUY IS GOOD!
WHO NEEDS RABBONIM WHEN YOU HAVE Semioneti OR AS I OVERHEARD SOME ONE IN 770 TODAY REFER TO HIM AS THE FAT SHORT SHMOKENETTI. (it has a good catch to it, I have a feeling it won’t take to long until his real name is forgotten).
I for one am ready for a new inspector, he hasn’t even started and he already is swimming in dirt. What mess is he going to get us in to next? You came you saw NOW GO!!!!
Daniel
What I wrote was a quote from Pirkei Avos 2:3:
“Be careful in your relations with the government, for they only ingratiate themselves to a person for their own interests. They appear as friends when it is to their advantage but they will not stand by a man in his time of need.”
(Isn’t it weird that a Torah community Web blog won’t accept Hebrew in a (my previous) post?
Dictating my life???
“trying to force shomrim to encoperate them into their respective ranks.”
Who the hell does he think he is, how can he tell me who I can help?
If I joined shomrim then its shomrim I want to be in.
If I joined shomrim thats ran by the Hershkops then that the shomrim I want to be in. I’m a volunteer Ill do what I want (as long as I don’t brake the law).
Of course shmira wanted peace they were dead (even when they were “alive” they were dead) they had nothing to loss. why should they not jump on any offer that would bring them back to life.
On the other hand Shomrim is a great powerful organization which spent years building it’s self up (always finding ways to be better stronger and faster to help out). Shomrim has every thing to loss by “joining” or making [a fake] peace. Why should they?
If I don’t want to patrol (or change someones tier) with any one individual because… (what ever reason I may have, it doesn’t even matter) it’s my right. You know? “RIGHTS” the things the police are supposed to be protecting.
The next thing you know this Guy will be dictating to store owners who they can hire.
Hell be dictating to Tztaka/charity organization who should run them (which in essence thats what shomrim is, an organization that does Chessed were ever needed).
Is he going to tell me which Charity boxes i’m aloud to bring in to my home?
Crown Heights resident
To the honorable inspector:
Shomrim are good people (thats why they joined shomrim to begin with).
The people that run shomrim have given their life for it (i’m not going to go in to praising them, those who have been helped by them in the last 18-20 years know what and who they are).
They are good and forgiving people, if you extend a hand to them they will in return extend a hand to you.
They have been getting along with NYPD since their beginning, there is no excuse for treating them in this manner, either help them do what they have been doing (and that is helping and giving a hand with the very heavy loud and responsibility that you must cary every single day) or don’t get in their way. If I [a resident of our community] called them then that means I need them. You get in their way you are getting in our [the community’s] way.
It’s never to late to start over.
Crown Height needs [people like] Shomrim.
Crown Heights wants [people like] Shomrim.
We hope you will do the right thing for all of us.
Sincerely,
a life time resident of Crown Heights.
G-d bless America
G-d Bless NYPD
G-d bless Shomrim
G-d bless Crown Heights
me myself and i
“The NYPD has long been frustrated with both patrols. It came to a head this year on April 14 when a member of Shmira attacked the black college-student son of a police officer”
if there was one patrole would this story have happaned…?
would a jew have to run for his life?
would the comunity united be able to bring enouph pressure to throw this case out..
all good questions but before you deside lets face some facts
if a member of an organization that is out to preserve safty is found guilty of breaking the law, the organization will be held accountable, so if there was only one group in crown heights and
some one, on there own started a fight for no reason then used weapons that they are not even allowed to carry from principal and the law point of view
it makes the organiation look real bad
but if there was one patrol what would have took place?
your right,
NO! it wouldnt have
bc one patrole will have its guidlines and enforse its principals
it would tell its members by its meetings “if you break the law your gona sit and your gona be out of the organization.”
not the oposite
they wouldnt tell its members
“if you ever have any problems while ”patroling and preventing“ dont say anything, dont say were u were what you know just wait and we will get you a lawyer”…
they would tell there members get out of the country… and hide
but wait oh my g-d
ist that what happaned.
so why did he run away?
napoleon simoneti
oilom goilom
in a normal situation a new men comes to town takes a few weeks to lern and understend the people of the town and than try to work and make nyc better place to live in.
mr simoneti or whoever you think you are i would call you just DOMB.
and with advisers like you take pictures with ?
get a live or get away .
were is who???
oh those guys hmm well
lets start from the top
were is Chanina?
well hmm i think hees in his house with fancy food and a bunch of polotitions
the food is so good looking that when we look at it our mouth starts to water…. hmmm
he must be doing good
i mean you know just look at the food.
oh were is he hmm well were was he 10 years ago when shmira and shomrim split..
oh i c he was right thier oh he was the one who made it happan… intresting but that bagle over there looks really fresh
oh and what does he do with all this great food must be getting all the same stuff the guys in williamsberg and boro park get… oh no he doesnt
but this piece of cake is really delishos
oh weres pentax havent heard fromhim wonderin what your take is on the matter
next
were is Shea Hecht?
oh him hees not an electted official be he wrights well and has alot of respect
so why isnt he involved with the split
oh hees a poltition like not to take sides
smart man
im with him on that
next
were is Rabashken?
oh hees umm swimming no i think yeh the pool is open
great stuff great occomplishments
did you read about his latest thing he did i saw it in his paper
he opened the pool yeh thats great
who next oh
were is Barry Suger?
yeh bary well you know non of the shmira or shomrim yet called anyone any racial comment so hees quite for now
good guy otherwize
nice man
oh yeh also not ellected to do anthing
oh yeh rubashkin says no to ellections and screwed the netzigim so we will never even be able to alect sugar
oh well
Weres Lenny?
Anyone see Leny
yeh the big guy i mean hees always drivin the inspecter till like 2 weeks ago it looked like he was driving in some big huge pick up truck
i guess he got demoted to the traffic enforsment team
yeh he wasnt living up to the standard of his blue shirt that says uh
comunity
Exasperated with all the machlokes
STOP THE FIGHTING! Why can’t this community just get along?!??!? Yes, you have all mentioned how dispicable it is that NYPD is getting involved too much, but why is a conflict within Lubavtich becoming so out of control that outsiders think we need their help? Maybe we do-if we can’t all stop and look inside and try fixing the problems. It is chodesh elul. Enough is enough!
Pentax
Oh my, I can’t even write about this story after seeing the spelling and grammar mistakes of these comments.
But I will either way.
There is one problem I see in
Crown Heights and that problem is
the lack of a LEADER or REPRESENTATIVE.
Whether you believe the Rebbe is alive
or not doesn’t even come close to mattering right now, you need a speaker
to represent this small community on the issues that matter. Like crime,
Hatzolah,Shomrim,and Shmirah.
Everyone has their own opinion which
makes it so much harder, here are just
2 lines I hear on a weekly basis:
“Who made him in charge?”
“Who does he think he is?”
The Crown Heights Jewish community
is like 8×8 blocks, I can’t believe
how many opinions and leaders everyone
has.
Truly Psychotic.
I love my Crown Heights
It takes many people, years and hard work to build and it takes one [Shmuk] to destroy everything in an instant.
Shomrim has worked years to build it self up.
Shomrim has always worked with all the past inspectors and police officers to make sure we the community have a better and safer Crown Height for our familys.
Shomrim and it’s individual members have given from their own time and hard earned money to build the organization to what it is today (with out asking anything in return).
WHO GIVES YOU Semioneti THE RIGHT TO COME HERE IN TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO PUSH OUR PEOPLE AROUND, THE SAME PEOPLE WHO HAVE GIVEN NECK AND BONE FOR THE COMMUNITY, THE SAME PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE EVERYTHING TO HONOR AND RESPECT OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND MUST OF ALL THE SAME PEOPLE WHO DESPITE WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO WILL ALWAYS DO THE RIGHT THING AND CONTINUE TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY.
Like one of the coordinators related to me:
“My grandparents (from mothers side) survived the hardships of the Holocaust. My grandfather (from Fathers side) who lived in Israel all his life, the Arabs did not just fear him they respected him. Do you think this is gonna stop me?”
Aman, it’s good to know that we have people like him protecting us day and night.
Doing the right thing is never easy, must people crumble in the sight of presser/challenge and some [I call hero’s] put up a stand.
shomrim we love you all!
Stand strong!
Your right but he-s wrong
to Pentax
Your on the money.
So how did your inspector figure out whats going on here in less then 3 weeks that he was assigned here.
In one week he already seems [form his actions] to know who is shmira and who is shomrim. Wow he’s smart, he’ll be moving up to Precinct 1 in no time. hopefully sooner then later.
About the spelling and grammar:
nobody writing comments is going to write any time soon for the New York Times, so take it easy, people are sitting and relaxing in front of their computers after a long day at work, I think it’s ok to excuse them if there not so focused on their spelling.
KNOWz the TrUth
for all those that made comments about how hatzalah is a united organization….oh how wrong you are.
i find it interesting how hatzalah’s dirt is not as exposed as shomrim or shmira’s.
oh and to yossi fraenkel, stop yelling, i don’t think the inspector cares what you have to say. your a mosquito to him. perhaps you have valid points, but your still a mosquito. and your wrong about us never leaving crown heights. people move out of here everyday, it just has not reached the point where more people are moving out than in, not yet anyway.
as for the rest of you hot heads, have a great night! crown heights is going down in flames whether you realize it or not. no one is getting along (that includes shmira/shomrim, hatzalah, and the ch politicians) crime is high, nypd officials deny it and don’t care, and the struggling economy is just making matters worse. good luck to those who will not jump ship!
bad situation
How do you make a bad situation worse?
Ask Semioneti, he has a lot of experience with that.
a few good men
I remember about 10 years ago there was a fire on top of a store on Kingston Ave.
It was about 6am Aron and Gadi Hershkop showed up in [mostly] their pajamas (before the fire department even had a chance to get there) Aron Hershkop ask if anybody was inside, nobody know to tell him so he went in to the burning house to check for him self.
[there are many many more stories like the above].
Now you tell me.
You think your going to stop such people? You think we are going to let you stop them?
NO WAY! NO HOW!
Good Luck!
crown heights
Why are you writing one side story Why is shomrim shmiring bad about shmira there is much more to this story
do you see shmira shmiring about shomrim no
.
so just get along with each other enough
Putting out the fire
to KNOWz the TrUth:
Take it easy!
you write:
“crown heights is going down in flames whether you realize it or not. no one is getting along (that includes shmira/shomrim, hatzalah, and the ch politicians)”
there are INDIVIDUAL people in our community who have gotten together to try and make a difference. they formed a group called Shomrim. (Shomrim is a group of INDIVIDUAL that live here in CH, they have job and familys, they care for the community and want to help) Shomrim members get along with each other and the community.
[I don’t know what going on in Hatzala so I wont comment].
It only comes down to other INDIVIDUALs
who always take their time to make machlokes and try to ruin anything good in CH. They are the ones that have to be put down once and for all.
Don’t put down the good people with the bad. It’s about time we start to separate RIGHT from WRONG, GOOD from BAD!
As long as your with the good people the flames will not harm you
mosquito
“i don’t think the inspector cares what you have to say. your a mosquito to him. perhaps you have valid points, but your still a mosquito.”
Thats the vibe I got by the Precinct Council Meeting this past Thursday,
Hes a big egotist and everybody to him is a mosquito.
the shoking story.
the shoking story.
how this shmokeneti or whomever was able to get brother against brother?
the fight with shmira shomrim is an old news and not real interesting news.
but one bad move by a shmira member name leib p… skoblo and a few more that moved that fight to a diffrent level was the mesira of 749.
now the shmira have a levrage against shomrim . and the saddest story is continuing on and on . r”l jews are helping authorities and instead of this Good Doer’s work to free jews from prosecution some are doing the opposite
remember on avairos shebin adam lachavero ain yom hakipurim mechaper .
until now there was not one member of the community who try to stop the prosecution . but it was used by meny to finish an open old Grudge .
yes chanina is having an open Grudge with a family name hershkop and they are in shomrim so he thinks that the time have come to destroy them.
raboisai dont shoot the messenger
we are in a deep golus this all story you read in the NEW YORK POST is being orcastrated by our own using police to their privat Grudges. this did not start by a smart commanding officer who wants JEW GUYS TO TALK.
this is a real mafia way to settle and old fight .
and if the community is suffering who realy cares .
COP is not the issue here dont let them get you of track. this is real hate . and not from out its from witinn.
poor shmokeneti you fell inn and you are going to destry your long carrer as a police officer just to becoume the contrac killer for a small mafia in crown heights.
DA
Thats right, I didn’t think about that.
With all this talk of “peace” how come none of the great “peacenicks” ever demanded that the fake trump up chargers on 6 shomrim member and a member from Anash (in essence 7 mshomrim members and 7 members from Anash) be Drooped.
They want forgiveness???
You got to show some thing for it,
You got to correct the wrong that you did, you got to fix the broke.
must of all you have to ask for forgiveness.