Watch this controversial clip posted by Chabad of YouTube questioning Rabbi Manis Friedman on his sources.
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Anonymous
With great respect to the Rabbi, a few comments:
If you say kevayachol doesn’t necessarily mean more, it does not mean that you’re saying it’s “not” that way. It can mean that it should not be taken in a completely literal sense. Such as in the example of Hashem being in golus. Someone may take that to mean that he has “left” the heavens, or is essentially “confined” to golus, r”l.
Anonymous
Which is obviously not true. Hashem *chooses* to leave his *Shechinah*–devine revelation in exile: “שכינתא בגלותא”.
And likewise with regard to G-d “needing” us–it’s כביכול not to say that he doesn’t, but rather that he does not *essentially* need us. Rather, in His great kindness, He *decided* to need us. This is clear from Chassidus. And this is probably what Reb Yoel meant when he said
Anonymous
That it’s not so simple. And this is probably what the Rebbe meant when he said that it needs to be explained.
If He just *needs* us plain and simple, essentially, like you understand when a human “needs” something, what type of explaining is needed? And indeed you just state it as fact. It needs explaining not because it’s not true, rather because it may be taken in a manner related to humans.
Anonymous
We say Hashem is the “kevayachol,” because nothing you say does justice. But in a different context, when you are stating a fact and then saying “kevayachol,” it is clearly a warning about not taking the statement at absolute face value. Context matters a lot.
Anonymous
People can be helped by being told that they should *devote* themselves to G-d, for he is our life-source, our father, and master.
Telling them that G-d needs them essentially, besides being not true, is just stocking their ego, and making them more into themselves and their “importance.”
Anonymous
You should be looking for Him and seeking Him, through appreciating Him–that is what Chassidus speaks about, and that is how Chassidus uplifts..
You need *Him*!!!
Anonymous
Or illiteral
Anonymous
Disregarding the Rebbe’s bilti muga is misguided and destructive, and wears at the study, dissemination, and application of his Torah. This dismissive approach overlooks hundreds of volumes, even including unedited recorded talks. If editing maamorim and sichos were to lead to this detractive outcome, I’m certain the Rebbe would have left them all unedited. This error needs to be openly addressed.
Anonymous
If Reb Yoel could not be relied for accuracy, detail and intent/meaning when relaying the Rebbe’s Torah in his oral and written transmission (per your attitude towards the non-edited talks, which is obviously wrong), why does it matter if Rabbi Friedman consulted with him or not?
Please explain
Can someone explain what they’re talking about? Sources for what?
Anonymous
Make no mistake, if Hashem decides to need us, he does need us, and it’s not “fake” r”l.
מי יאמר לו מה תעשה. He decides to create things, like the world for example. And just because it didn’t always exist, does not make it “fake.” Likewise when he creates the desire for our mitzvos. It’s 100% real and His desire.
Anonymous
With great respect to the Rabbi, a few comments:
If you say kevayachol doesn’t necessarily mean more, it does not mean that you’re saying it’s “not” that way. It can mean that it should not be taken in a completely literal sense. Such as in the example of Hashem being in golus. Someone may take that to mean that he has “left” the heavens, or is essentially “confined” to golus, r”l.
Anonymous
Which is obviously not true. Hashem *chooses* to leave his *Shechinah*–devine revelation in exile: “שכינתא בגלותא”.
And likewise with regard to G-d “needing” us–it’s כביכול not to say that he doesn’t, but rather that he does not *essentially* need us. Rather, in His great kindness, He *decided* to need us. This is clear from Chassidus. And this is probably what Reb Yoel meant when he said
Anonymous
That it’s not so simple. And this is probably what the Rebbe meant when he said that it needs to be explained.
If He just *needs* us plain and simple, essentially, like you understand when a human “needs” something, what type of explaining is needed? And indeed you just state it as fact. It needs explaining not because it’s not true, rather because it may be taken in a manner related to humans.
Anonymous
We say Hashem is the “kevayachol,” because nothing you say does justice. But in a different context, when you are stating a fact and then saying “kevayachol,” it is clearly a warning about not taking the statement at absolute face value. Context matters a lot.
Anonymous
People can be helped by being told that they should *devote* themselves to G-d, for he is our life-source, our father, and master.
Telling them that G-d needs them essentially, besides being not true, is just stocking their ego, and making them more into themselves and their “importance.”
Anonymous
You should be looking for Him and seeking Him, through appreciating Him–that is what Chassidus speaks about, and that is how Chassidus uplifts..
You need *Him*!!!
Anonymous
Or illiteral
Anonymous
Disregarding the Rebbe’s bilti muga is misguided and destructive, and wears at the study, dissemination, and application of his Torah. This dismissive approach overlooks hundreds of volumes, even including unedited recorded talks. If editing maamorim and sichos were to lead to this detractive outcome, I’m certain the Rebbe would have left them all unedited. This error needs to be openly addressed.
Anonymous
If Reb Yoel could not be relied for accuracy, detail and intent/meaning when relaying the Rebbe’s Torah in his oral and written transmission (per your attitude towards the non-edited talks, which is obviously wrong), why does it matter if Rabbi Friedman consulted with him or not?
Please explain
Can someone explain what they’re talking about? Sources for what?
Anonymous
Make no mistake, if Hashem decides to need us, he does need us, and it’s not “fake” r”l.
מי יאמר לו מה תעשה. He decides to create things, like the world for example. And just because it didn’t always exist, does not make it “fake.” Likewise when he creates the desire for our mitzvos. It’s 100% real and His desire.