MONTREAL [CHI] — At least 2000 Montreal-Anash (Men and Women) are expected to attend an emergency meeting tonight, Sunday 8:45pm at the Yeshiva at 6405 Westbury Avenue. After Crown Heights, Montreal is the next largest Chabad shchuna in the world!
The 68-year-old Tomchei Temimim is the only Chabad elementary school in Montreal, Canada.
Largest Emergency Meeting In Montreal’s History
MONTREAL [CHI] — At least 2000 Montreal-Anash (Men and Women) are expected to attend an emergency meeting tonight, Sunday 8:45pm at the Yeshiva at 6405 Westbury Avenue. After Crown Heights, Montreal is the next largest Chabad shchuna in the world!
The 68-year-old Tomchei Temimim is the only Chabad elementary school in Montreal, Canada.
Over the years YTTL has overcome many challenges to its existence, ranging from menagdim, the Canadian ministry of education, to Hamas sleeper cells. In December 2008 the Yeshiva was threatened by the Ministère de l’Éducation to conform to it’s NPS standards or be forcibly shutdown.
In January 2009 the Yeshiva was in a panic over a potential terrorist attack by Hamas sleeper cells planted in Quebec. This time it is the Marshal.
Due to the grave severity of the current Insolvency, al pi teva, it is only a matter of days, before the unthinkable happens R“L.
This catastrophe has far reaching implications not only to the 300 current students, but on the many teachers and staff currently employed by the institution.
If you have a friend or relative living in Montreal, you are encouraged to contact them with your generous pledge to help stave off this catastrophe.
Tax deductible checks payable to: Rabbinical College of Canada or yeshivachineseauction.com or you can call Mrs. Linda Rosenblum at (514) 735-2201 x 104.
Any amount at all donated by you at this critical juncture gives you a tremendous opportunity of being part of saving a Tomchei Temimim, and the blessings that come along.
In the merit of your charity above your limits, may HKB”H shower you b’kol tuv selah!
And in the merit of your increased generosity, may we witness the fulfillment of the Rebbe’s prophecy that “the time of your Redemption has arrived” and “Moshiach is coming Now.”!
1111
People should just register their sons for the secular program and then the yeshiva will get money from the government.
Alumni
So the Yeshiva has decided to have one of their usual get-togethers, not to fix up the dilapidated mess of the “school” it has become, but simply because they need MONEY for an institution run by a bunch of hoodlums!
This must be the 272nd such event in the course of their 68 years.
Of course the Quebec government almost shut them down, they should, this is an “educational institution“ that prides itself in NOT teaching children the necessary basics, such as how to read and write English or French, basic math etc., how long do they think that people will tolerate this sort of mess?
As for the Hamas sleeper cell, you’ve gotta be kidding… Oh yeah, please report on the “progress” of this “meeting”!
Not sure it-ll be the worst thing ever..
if it is shut down. The hanhala is curropt, the teachers are burnt out or new and frustrated. Maybe it is time for a change.
Father of stdent
Maybe it is time for change!!!
Contact your Gov Reps.
The canadian government usualy protects its citezens, espacialy if there is a large out cry for help. The rebbe told us durring the crown hights riots to request government assistance rather than protecting ourselves by using our own forces. He said “Hakol ko Yakov, Vehayodayim Yiday Esov”. So start contacting your All Gov. reps ASAP.
again.......
Ahhh….so now this becomes a fight over whether we learn English or not……..
Lubavitch Yeshiva Demolition Crew
Chabad fears that if their children receive a secular education it will mean kids would not be frum.
What Chabad forgets is that fear is not a method of education. A walled garden means not teaching your kids how to think for themselves.
Education should mean you teach your kids how to use their own brains and give them the tools required to make up their OWN minds.
If your children do decide to leave chabad, it is your own fault for not making the case as to why chabad is a better chiose. but voiding them of their education and making them dependant on chabad for jobs is 100% mind control.
Lubavitch Yeshiva Demolition Crew
Chaim
Why are you mixing up “menagdim” into this business?
This is the quote:“Over the years YTTL has overcome many challenges to its existence, ranging from menagdim,”
As a long time resident of Montreal,I can tell you that Montreal is one of the few places that people actually get along, much in the Zchus of our esteemed Rov R’Hirschprung, who was a man of peace who managed to get on with everybody.In fact years back there was an attempt to merge the Lubavitch and Litvishe school in one!
Bareding other Jews is surely not a recipe to get out of difficulties!
montrealer
i am a product of the yeshiva of montreal. my parents B“H chose to send us to a full day of limudei kodesh and we are all doing well financially. Some of us are in Kodesh, chinuch, chabad houses and some of us are in the business world. Parents should not be forced to send their kids to limudei chol. The yeshiva needs a real fundraiser like rabbi kramer A”H.
Board-s Fault
if i am not mistaken, was it not the board who approached Le Ministre D’Eucation to let them k now they are not teaching chul as a way to receive funding? Let the honored board get themselves out of this mess?
happy
I sat in a chair there for 17 years and it was a decrepit hole and probably still is, as far as i know they had something good going for sometime and killed that to. shame on them.what a sad place. once again its money [and only] first and not the poor kids
mtler
I think the very nature of the comments speak for themselves.
Montreal is not a community as much a bunch of families who happen to live in the same geographic area. There is virtually no sense of community.
People, if you put away your differences for a couple of days and forked over 18 extra bucks a month, you’ll all be in a much better situation than you are now.
a yeshiva parent
i love the fact that MRS ***** ****** feels that the parents who do not pay FULL TUITION don’t get to have an imput in their childs education, but must pour money into a disfunctional institution. I guess you can read that as Kochi vehetzem yadi … that you are wealthy! shame on you- the wheel turns you never know- some of us struggle and try to pay to the best of our ability, and we do not appreciate YOU humiliating us as such. I was personaly hurt and offended. You owe our community a public apology just like your public statement.
Alumni
So Yeshivas Tomchei Tmimim of Montreal is once again in need of your money, and they want you to know its URGENT (they are desperate)! They URGENTLY need to get out of the mess they are (regularly) in, and they think that by raising money the Govt will lay off its back. The government won’t because there are ppl like me out there, that care! and will not allow the yeshiva to get away with this kinda abuse!
And contrary to what “Montrealer” wrote, Yeshivas TTL in Montreal only pumps out the following types of Gezhe Talmidim/Tmimim: Shluchim, Rabbonim, Mohels, Shochets and Teachers, no doctors, lawyers, professors or tradesmen, but hey “Montrealer” is doing “very well financially” and never went to “limudei chol” -nothing can be further from the truth! Needless to say that most of these Rabbonim, Shluchim such as “Montrealer” etc (who are predominantly employed by the Yeshiva itself) are actually doing quite poorly (literally) and earn less than $35,000 a year (and need to support an average of 6-8 kids).
Moreover, not a single Rebbi has actually undergone any sort of educational curriculum of any sort, and when a half decent one comes along, they throw them out bc they are unwilling to conform to the abuse this institution has been ill-reputed for. For years they kept tons of ineffective and ailing “Rebbis” under the pretext of seniority, only to be where we are today, -the the stone age. Are we not upset that our kids cant even fill out a government document without errors and assistance in doing so?
Go rob our kids of the basics they need and ignore the thousands of request for change that the parents have asked for, over the years.
For those of you who still believe that the Yeshiva should not be teaching “Limudei Chol” SHAME ON YOU! and please take your kids to the Nitturei Karta (their views seem more in line with this sort of rhetoric)!
Parent
When someone last night, raised their voice and asked “Why is it that as parents we are always convened when it comes to money but not when it comes to our children’s education?”
This question was met with a mic response from the women’s section stating “only those who pay full tuition have a say!”
To whoever said that: Shame on you and your family!
How dare you think that because you have money, you are in a position to decide the future of our children’s education, NEVER!
Yehuda
2000 anash. did not know the community was that big? Also I believe the max amount of people allowed in the auditorium is about 500.
very big tzdikim nistarim.
there is nobody to talk to.
the “hanhala” (the management)
are very big tzdikim nistarim. (hidden tzadikim)
so nobody really knows who is responsible fore anything.
every once in a while they reveal themselves in secret to one “chossid shoiteh”
who calls a meeting and says that he has a message from “the hanhola”.
“HANDS UP” “lets see who is not on the list of brochos” hand over another $2,500.
“you will be notified about a meeting for you to ask any questions at a later date, but for now hands up”.
when you corner one of these zombies, they say “i dont know its not my job, i’m just a volunteer”.
“the hanhala” is a group of weak power hungry bullies, who hide behind Mrs. Rosenbloom’s skirt.
they tossed the boss,(r. kramer a’h) made a 20 year mess, now they threaten to cut and run.
there is no responsibility.
like an alcoholic or crack addict, they thrive on the decent non assuming non judgmental fine jews who pay with “mesiras nefesh” time and again.
we are sorry.
to the person or persons that were hurt by our negative comments about full tuition etc.. and mishegoim talking.
please forgive us for those insensitive comments, that was wrong. sorry.
it was only because of the high tension and the urgent situation, that we said those things.
please, anybody that was offended.
please forgive our insensitivity.
sholem al yisroel.
NO SUPRISE
hakoras hatov to hanhahla for all their hard work
mamish ms”n
only complaints, no thank u! what do you expect?!
I am bewildered!
Ain lanu elo divrei Ben Amram!
The Rebbe is clear about his opinion and hora’ah on the matter of secular education for youngsters. The Rebbe starts with the halochos of bitul Torah and continues with discussing the chinuch that we want for our children – al taharas hakodesh – without distracting them with premature worries about how a parnosoh will be made. Indeed, a cursory look at the general society shows that a parnosoh is just as difficult for those with (even an advanced) secular education.
Anonymous
So “We are sorry” thinks that kindergarten-level patronizing and trash-talking will is actually gonna accomplish anything here. BIG MISTAKE! not the trash talking at the Yeshiva, nor here on online forums (such as this one) will be silenced!
Read Carefully: “We will not stop until the ”Hanholeh” is changed (entirely) or the Yeshiva is Shut Down permanently.
Enough robbing the kids of their education and future!.
If things continue to run illegally as usual, I will make sure to report you guys myself! How do you like them apples?
survivor
I sat in a chair there for 17 years and it was a decrepit hole and probably still is, as far as i know they had something good going for sometime and killed that to. shame on them.what a sad place. once again its money [and only] first and not the poor kids
CHABAD FAN
why isent the montreal community able to get this thing under control??
I KNOW THEM PERSONALY
DONT STEP ALL OVER THE HANHALA
PLEASE
THEIR DOING THEIR BEST L’SHMAH
04/27/09 - 12:39 =100% correct!
HE IS 100% RIGHT!
THE ISSUE IS NOT LIMUDEI CHOIL OR NOT… THATS UST A CLEVER RED HERRING!
READ THIS POST ON THE MENEY!
I am bewildered! wrote:
Ain lanu elo divrei Ben Amram!
The Rebbe is clear about his opinion and hora’ah on the matter of secular education for youngsters. The Rebbe starts with the halochos of bitul Torah and continues with discussing the chinuch that we want for our children – al taharas hakodesh – without distracting them with premature worries about how a parnosoh will be made. Indeed, a cursory look at the general society shows that a parnosoh is just as difficult for those with (even an advanced) secular education.
a father
BH
from all these comments you might think that the montreal lubavitch community has major problems.
the truth is. its only a problem of mismanagement by a few part-time volunteer “leaders”.
they are overwhelmed by the ka’h explosive growth in recent years.
when the “hanhola” will finally recognize the new dynamics of the community and start listening to the needs of the people. reorganize themselves and hire an administrator that is not only a fundraiser but an actual decision maker, (like any organization head) answerable to a community elected board. ” things will improve greatly.
the community as a whole are fine and well meaning, but it needs to be reorganized to meet todays needs.
by the people. for the people.
re: WE ARE SORRY
WE ARE SORRY, BUT THE ONLY WAY TO ASK FOR MECHILLAH IS TO APPROACH THE OFFENDED PERSON DIRECTLY.
IF WE WERE SNAGS YOU WOULD AHVE TO GO InTO THE BIMA AND ASK THREE TIMES AND WAIt FOR “MOCHUL LOCH” THREE TIMES.
sO LETS SEE YOUR PRIDE AT WORK AND do it!!!!
TO: I KNOW THEM PERSONALLY
TO: I KNOW THEM PERSONALLY
you are one of the rare lucky ones.
most parents have no idea who the “hanhala” is.
apparently most of the Tzadikim Nistarim nowadays, live in montreal and are part the TTL Hanhala.
LUBOBmtl
THE HANHOLEH IS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN A DISASTER, LETS KEEP THIS COOL AND NOT MAKE ANYONE MENTION THE NAMES OF THESE “HANHOLEH” MEMBERS, AND THEY ARE DOING THEIR BEST, PLEASE, MAYBE WE SHOULD SEND OVER THE QUEBEC GOVERNMENT TO HELP THEM OUT, (THEY DONT DO IT LISHMAH AND ITS WORKED OUT ALOT BETTER APPARENTLY;)
No accountability.
Nobody’s reputation is on the line here.
No accountability.
who-s the boss?
who is the hanhala?
a former montrealer
hizaharu mibnei aniyim, shemayhem teitzei Torah
help the melamdim!
even if u dislike the leadership (or lack ther of) you can (should) still help out the situation!!
http://www.yeshivachineseau…
mtler
They said they are sorry and we all know exactly who “we” is. This forum is public enough.
It is only anonymous to those whom it does not concern. Why must they embarass themselves further?
Please leave good enough alone.
Thank you
Alumni
IM WILLING TO DONATE $10,000 if they yeshiva conforms to Govt Standards (thats 25% of what was “raised” [rather pledged] last night) Ive offered this to the “Hanholeh” in the past, but they said that “the parents dont want Limudei Chol” …..the truth is that they dont need my money since apparently the Hanholeh is comprised of “economically viable ”individuals” who’s families pay full tuition and therefore have a say in everyone else’s children too.
Yaakov Shloimo (Ian Martin) Ajzenszmidt
B“SD
About Bitul Torah I say ”ein kemach ein torah“ Pirkei Avois.
”Loi yilmedoo oomnois yilmedoo listois“, soif Gemara Mesechtas Kiddushin. Then there is the brocho ending
”noisen machochmosoi lebosor vedom”.
Our youth and children should grow up with the opportunity to have careers other than Chabad Lubavitch K’Lei Koidesh.
They should be capable of becoming Accountants, Lawyers, Architects, Doctors, Dentists, Engineers, Limudei Choil Teachers etc. About doing well in business, I have read a statistic that 75 per cent of new businesses fail in the first five years. Maybe more in the current economic climate.
Why was the Master of Business Administration degree invented? So that its graduates would have the knowledge to succeed in business, including skills in planning, budgeting, supply chain management, marketing, analysing financial reports etc. You need to be able to do all of that to survive in business nowadays.
I have found the following at College.gov:
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yossi
if i pay full tuition can i run the school? it look like that all it take.
to POST Yaakov Shloimo (Ian Martin) Aj
your datta may be applicable to the secular (wider) general public
the facts in chabad CLEARLY contradict your premise!!
(the chabad graduates seem to clearly have a special bracha!)
most wealthy lubavitchers (the over whelming majority) have had limudei kodesh ONLY!
and have far exceeded their ENLIGHTENED peers who took secular to get ahead!!
LOY LACHACHOMIM LECHEM!
its G-g, its Mazal and its destiny, (its betachon too)
if you are motivated, hard working, you make a concerted effort (aka HISHTADLUS or KELI) the evidence is all around you
all those shleppers who role in to shul at 1pm
have them selves alone to blame! not the system!
you cant pick and choose from the system, and expect for it to work for you!!
the system makes many demands from a chossid
(if you keep these demands, you will find bracha and hatzlacha)
demands include:
Shmiras hasdorim =basic life skills)
Mivtziyim =enriches the charactor)
Limud nigla vaChasidus =adds some healthy perspective)
Learning in general =sharpens the mind)
Merkaz shlichus, Tahalucha, CGI, etc
Daily Chitas Rambam etc,
all of the above goes a long way towards developing the CHARACTOR, MIND AND SKILL-SET to excel in the REAL WORLD!
I HAVE FRIENDS WHO’VE BECOME SUCCESSFUL BY USERPTING THE SYSTEM (ABOVE) YET THEY ARE IN THE MINORITY
HOWEVER THE VAST MAJORITY OF MY “kodesh-only” friends (who followed the above PERSCRIPTION
ARE DOING VERY WELL!
THEY UNDERSTAND THAT $ REQUIRES A KELI (RUCHNI AND GASHMI) BUT NOT TO OVER DO IT!!
mtler
While the debate re. secular studies is an important one, it should be judged on its own merits.
The issue at hand is regarding money and the situation as it relates to the overall chinuch.
Notsurprisedanddisappointed
I agree with Alumni:
It’s an “institution run by a bunch of hoodlums”, it is NOT the first time this happens, “it prides itself in NOT teaching children the necessary basics, such as how to read and write English or French, basic math etc.”.
Maybe a more detailed look at the members and board of directors who focus most of their time on managing their VIP Shuls that are worth almost as much as the Bell Center. That hire staff that CAN teach and CAN fix the system, but fire them when they need to save more money for their own pockets…If the Jewish home of these students were strong enough, they would not have to worry about secular teaching, we all have to learn it at some point.
I find that this school has collected millions since its existence, however, it has been run by hoodlums like the VAAD of Montreal, ready to take the money but not to give it’s value in services. SHAME ON YOU MEMBERS AND BOARD OF DIRECTORS! SHAME ON YOU FOR THIS! SHAME ON YOU FOR RUINING AN INSTITUTION THAT COULD HAVE BEEN THE POTENTIAL YESHIVA UNIVERSITY OF MONTREAL – MOST JEWS PREFER THE SECULAR SYSTEM NOT BECAUSE OF THE RELIGION BUT BECAUSE YOU DESTROY LIVES BY STEALING MONEY AND TEACHING THAT LIVING OFF DONATIONS IS OK – IF 99% OF JEWS DID THAT WE’D BE ALL ON THE STREET.
The terror threat is real though, real to every Jewish neighborhood and institution.
CHANGE YOUR WAYS FOR THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY – NOT YOUR BANK ACCOUNTS AND MILLION DOLLAR VIP SHULS!
RESPONSE TO: Yaakov Shloimo (Ian Martin)
your info seems to be predicated on the premise that is simply wrong!!
#1 Most well-adjusted productive baale batim
(unzereh that is)
are bright enough to complete smicha and a tharas hkodesh education before entering the world of Kolledge and Career training!
thats just a fact!
if you were spreading your arguments 20 years ago, maybe, you would have persuaded me, back then, before the anti-climatic truth was well established!
to all you college-text-book-thumping-preachers
get a grip, your arguments are sorely contradicted by the ACTUAL FACTS
THAT IS:
THAT well timed career preparation, initiated after a firm torah foundation, (provided the man is a functional self-motivated mentch)
works best in our circle
not to mention the travesty and dangers of todays colleges, on our youth w/o a firm foundation,
again the rules of society dont apply if you follow the Rebbeh, unless you ust say you follow the Rebbeh but dont live all that he stood for
yes there are many lazy bums dressed like rabbis
but thats nothing to do with limudei kodesh
and has everything to do with the type of home and mentchlichkeit he was raised with,
you cant be a FERD and expect your kids to grow up like a mentch!
if you or you children dident make it,
take a good look in the mirror and ask youself
“did i truly follow the Rebbe’s directive and guiance
if not
than just dressing like a rabbi … still a bum!
dont blame anyone for you own mistakes!
i like how you dressed up your lack of betochon in fancy quotes!
your conclusions however reveal your blindness to the dangers of college and you naivete re who actually succeeds(and how)
Alumni and soon to be yeshiva parent
the situation is a grave one, however you must also understand the truth behind everything.
To those that are “bashing” the administration – can you take or do a better job in their place? if so please stand up – there are talks to over run the board.
To those parents that pay full tuition – Thank you! and keep up the good work.
To those parents that don’t pay full tuition – May Hashem help you to be able to return the favor in any other way.
To those parents who oppose secular studies – either pay full tuition, or think real well – what would the Rebbe prefer – sending your child to secular education in a religious chassidish environment, or letting a teacher with 8 children and no family support starve, have bare walls and an empty fridge. Besides the Rebbe opposed secular education back in the 50s when there were no religious schools, no jewish environment – however today B”H and thanks to the Rebbe – the possibility is there – secular studies in a religious jewish environment. I believe that the parent the spoke yesterday – that was what she was referring to – those parents that oppose the secular studies, are those jobless (or low income) families that pay low tuition and checks bounce – those people should consider their options. However, if it was a parent that sends their child to the secular program and doesn’t have the funds to pay full tuition – that is not their fault – and they have just as much of a say as those that pay full.
now to the administration:
You cannot expect a community that the majority of it does not work or are on low salaries to come up with such large sums of money all of a sudden. It is not right to have the community to pay for you ill management of 30 years.
If parents, future parents or anyone come up to you with a proposal or advice to help – consider that as the parents are DOING something. as of now you consider DOING = MONEY. that unfortunately is not the case here. we are talented people, with small to medium businesses, or hard working people – all we can offer is our dedication NOT our money!!! most parents and people that wanted to help you in the past all have the same claim – it’s like knocking on a door and no one is answering. Start answering our calls – start showing some leadership skills. hire teachers with proper experience, and proper education. get off your high horse, and get rid of those people who are waste of time in that school – no one will invest in your school if it is bound to fail – that is why all your supporters left you, that is why you are in this so called “urgent” state.
Now tachles: Solution!!!
A) Shut the school down until September. this way you do not have your 440K salary expense (which we all know very well that you will not raise in 14 weeks)
B) Re-structure:
b1) Terminate the “slugs” – get rid of those in the administration that are either ruining the school, running it to shambles, there because of their name or yichus, there for an assumed pay check, non educated and non experienced (teacher or principle).
b2) Offer the parents a choice. either put your child into the secular education or pay full tuition with no negotiations.
b3) all parents should pay full tuition, if the parent cannot afford it, their finances should be assessed and a payment plan should be arranged. something like a mortgage that will a long time to pay (10, 15, 20 years – however long it should take)
b4) fix up your fund raising events – be different, stand out!!! there are people in the community that can help you with that.
C) about the gov’t and its secular program – keep in mind that socialism is communism with lip stick – so you got to play their game back.
they request 5 hours a day of french or english – no problem – teach a sicha in french, have the kids write an essay on what they learned in french – you never know, the gov’t official that will review it – might be choizer bitshuva!!! isn’t that what chabad is all about!!!
you see – solutions are always available – just open your eyes and ears to those that have them!!!
I hope you will highly consider these options – this will work!!!
From a concerned alumni and soon to be parent of the system.
montreal parent
Hanhala knows exactly what to do! get them ear-plugs OUT!
some outside guidance is not a bad idea either
what ever happened to R. Nachum Kaplan -chinuch office
dident he signUp to fix up the place a year ago? what does Reb Nochem say?
saving my money to send out of town
1) I would like to chalenge the smart lady with the stupid comment, would you mind showing to a independent accountant
the total amount of tuition/donations given by you & all your family members, compared to your total income, & will se if the avarage joe paid more or less then you in proportion.
2) the record (at least in montreal) does not show that the “bnei hapritzim” like your kids, do better then us the simpletons, in learning and yiras shomaim, like somebody poorer and smarter (that’s easy!!!) then you once said “hizaharu mibnei aniyim – shemeihem teitze tora
3) the rebbe RASHA”B wrote to someone (most probably SMART and RICH like you) “BOZ HINENI LOI ULEKASPOI”
4) remember the wheel of fortune, and keep quiet.
A Parent in Montreal
Most people mean well and are concerned for the Yeshiva. But there is no one that says: the buck stops here.
The Yeshiva has made great strides, but still needs to go a long way.
It has several problems:
-Financial
_Societal
_Pedagogical
FINANCIAL
For the financial problems, it is pretty clear, that the Yeshiva can no longer be run by anonymous volunteers. It must hire an financial administrator and fundraiser, who can say: the buck stops here and look after the financial aspect of the Yeshiva
It needs to hire a professional to work with the government so that the Yeshiva can look after its own interests (Chassidishe Chinuch) while confirming to the governments demands
PEDADOGICAL
It needs to hire an expert mechanech that will review the Yeshiva’s goals and pedagogical guidelines to meet the new realities of the Montreal Jewish community. The community BH has truly grown, but its make-up has vastly changed: The new Yeshiva population includes, many children from Baal Tshuva homes, non-Yiddish speaking or non-ashkenazic backgrounds.
SOCIETAL
It also has seen an influx from homes with socio-economic and stability issues. These are new challenges and require new solutions. We need to press on institutions such as federation and MADA to help cover the cost for more comprehensive social work and integration for the some of the children who need this help.
It also must provide an answer to the precious kids who will never be academically strong – they too, must find an outlet, so they do not drop their Yiddishkeit as they emerge from the Yeshiva, because they cannot find a place in it.
We need more hands-on learning, role playing, creative teaching, science type Torah fairs, etc.
All hat being said, I am very, very grateful that I live in this community, when I look around and see the much greater problems that plague large frum communities, I am grateful.
By and large, my children have had very positive experiences here, given the devotion and excellence from some special mechanchim. Yiras shomayim and temimus are the norm.
We are not a wealthy community, true, but we also are left out of the terrible rat race and consumerism which seems to engulf most American frum communities today.
All in all, there is much room for improvement and also much appreciation to go around. So lets hire the adminstrator, lets involve more parents to insure our children have more options and that all our children succeed to becoming Yirei Shomayim and Lamdonim and strong carriers of the Mesorah of Chassidus and Yidishkeit
A Parent
Rebecca
Beth Rivkah down the street managed to do it.
The sisters and daughters go to this school.
Why aren’t the sons and brothers given the same respect?
Shameful.
I am bewildered!
Apparently,Yaakov Shloimo (Ian Martin) Ajzenszmidt is off on his own program. More power to him! For those of us who prefer to be guided by the Rebbe we look to the Rebbe’s sichos and igros for direction. I am sure that Yaakov Shloimo (Ian Martin) Ajzenszmidt is a brilliant person with broad life experience. None-the-less, I choose to have the Rebbe set the tone and priorities for my life.
credit to this website
thanx to crownheights.info for allowing a democratic discussion to be had,
replacing the dictatorship style (1 way) controlled by the bosses!
is 100% correct
A Parent in Montreal wrote:
is 100% correct
CROWNHEIGHTS.INFO/
ANY MONEY COLLECTED WILL BE ROBBED BY THE HANOLAH AGAIN, SO NO USE IT’S A REACURING PROBLEM.
Alumni
Im glad my comments sparked such responses, now if only these can also happen offline.. but i doubt it.
Lets sit back and watch..
Money vs. No money
Money vs. No money
Money people:
remember, that some people really are broke! cant pay for basic stuff.
No money People:
remember, that some people give over and beyond what can be expected from them! and more. their pockets are open to all.
put yourself in the others shoes for a moment.
we are all chassidim. lets really give each-other the benefit of the doubt.
in heated discussions people can lose their cool. the heated comments were obviously not premeditated.
they apologized. in public. leave it at that. i prefer NON MUMBAI, ACHDUS.
PLEASE. GIVE IT UP.
WE ARE ONE!
Thank you
Thank you crownheights.info
we are able to share ideas and opinions without getting belittled and humiliated in an “open” meeting.
Mr. & Mrs. G. Remeber the good old days?
Mr G. remeber when you were a child and didnt have the money to go to yeshiva, or to buy a change of gatkes, and 1 of the Hanhala had to collect money for you for the basics, remeber those days??
Mrs g. remeber when you couldnt go to a Jewisg school because your parents cuoldnt afford it, so you had to go to public school, remember??
Mrs G. remeber those humble days, before your husband became a master con artist, and finally made some money to spoil your children rotten, remeber??
TEACH YOUR ARROGANT CHILDREN ABOUT THOSE HUMBLE DAYS, LET THEM KNOW WHAT IT WAS LIKE WITHOUT MONEY, LIKE THE REST OF OUR BELOVED COMMUNITY!
Most of our community are HARD WORKING people with families to support, and at the end of the day are still trying to make ends meet. Not like some arrogant SHVITZER’S who were lucky enough to have a father before them, who knew how to con money for a living and pay off the Hanholo to place his SHVITZER of a son on the board!
WAKE UP MRS G! You owe the whole community an apology for you stupit arrogant and insensitive insults!
Mr g! Its hard tp tell who is the real MESHUGENER that you were trying so hard not to be heard at the meeting, you owe every individual, and the whole community as a whole an apology!!
TEACH YOUR BRATS ABOUT THE GOOD OLD DAYS!
MR. & MRS G. LET THEM KNOW HOW IT WAS LIKE WHEN PAYING TUITION WAS AN ISSUE.
The Melamdim that cannot put food on the table to feed their families are williing to sacrifice a paycheque, are the CEO’S of ICE.COM willing to do that for the sake of the Melamdim??
Remember Mr. & Mrs. G. we in the community live in the REAL WORLD, You are more then welcome to join us in the REAL WORLD, mabye you can teach us, and tell us about the good old humble days, when paying tuition like the rest of us was a issue.
REMEBER, REMEBER, WHERE YOU CAME FROM:)
Response to a parent in Montreal
I heard that the yeshivah in Montreal picked up in the past few years. and that they had special programs and the children looked forward to going to school. the parents were pleased as well by the level of professionalism that the yeshivah had. whatever happened with this positive change. I heard that this past year things drastically change for the worse. is is polotic or money that’s causing beautiful chasidishe neshomos to suffer and pay the price of selfishness?
STRUCK A RAW NERVE!!
wow 50+ comments in just a few minutes!
i dont know whats wrong but clearly there are alot of ppl out there who think they got the answer!
A long time montreal
BH
Irelevant of the negative comments expressed truth must be stated that last nights emergency meeting in the Yeshiva in Montreal was an obvious indication that notwithstanding the differences of opinions regarding many of the issues the Yeshiva struggles with- like any other Educational instituion of this size and in such a diverse community- the majority of the parents stand behind the present Hanhalah who with total selfless dedication are committed day in day out to assure that the Yeshiva functions and continuous to grow and improve.
Let no one out there reading some of the childish foolish remarks think that the montreal ANash community is torn and shredded to pieces in fact it is a beautifull community with many chassidishe families of all backgrounds unzhere, tzugekumene, sphardim,english , Yiddish , french ,spanish russian soeaking young and old BH living together side by siderespecting each others differences.
Indeed a community of such size with no official Rav since the passing of Harav Henedel O”H has its problems but nothing like some of these comments seem to indicate.
Not one person in this community thinks or speaks of the individuals who for the past 7-8 years with no financial benefit or pay run the yeshiva in such degrading terms as some of the shamefull comments expressed in this forum.
It is obvious that the financial world-wide crisis has affected the Yeshiva and it is only proper for the responsible people to share with the community and parents the severity of the situation and asking for help.
It is also irresponsible from the manager(s) of this site to allow this site to be used as a vehicule for expressions of the oposite of respect and Ahavas Yisroel in particualr in these days of Sefirat Haomer.
May we all have the zchut to see the Rebbe here Lemato in a Guf Hagashmi and lead us all together into the complete G’ulah
THE SOLUTION!! stop KVETCHING!!
stop criticizing the board,
they are the ONLY ones who cared enough to actually DO something VOLUNTARILY!!!
they dont do it for the money! nor for the kavod
(there ain’t NO kavod, in this vessel!)
lets step back for a moment and see what the hanhala’s crime is!
they are guilty of being the ONLY ONES in town to undertake the ambitious BURDEN of finding $$ for the melamdim!
dare i say until a few months ago, they did a very good job at that!
perhaps, they should focus their energies exclusively on FUNDRAISING alone! and designate a QUALIFIED director/educator or administrator who will g-g willing RESTORE TRUST AND CONFIDENCE! in the leadership
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i think the money and blessings will follow!
ppl would be motivated to squeeze and sacrifice if ONLY they had FAITH in the judgement of those on the top!!
lets get real here! a plane needs a professional pilot
a train … a professional engineer! …a ship…
WHY NOT:
1) A PROFESSIONAL FUNDRAISER,
2) A PROFESSIONAL ADMINISTRATOR/S
3) A BOARD COMPRISED OF PROFESSIONAL EDUCATORS!!!! not just clueless well-meaning men
4) A PROFESSIONAL (TRAINED) SECULARE STUDIES PRINCIPLE
5) A YOUNG WISE AND TRAINED EXPERIENCED PRINCIPLE
(what WAS good for yesteryear may NOT be appropriate for today)
(btw where DID R. NOCHUM Kaplan disappear to? was he not hired to guide the change!!?)
all change is difficult, but NOT TO may be far WORSE R”L
PPL WANTO SUPPORT, BUT FIRST GIVE THEM CHANGE THEY CAN BELIEVE IN!!
each time someone suggests any CHANGE or fresh thinking he is dismissed or MADE TO SHUTUP!!!!
lets get together as a single community (vi ein mishpacha)
and do right thing in a smart yet sensitive way, for the sake of our young ones!! stop the finger pointing and blame game,
and start the implementation of the lessons learnt!
reading the websites, its clear that there is a resounding consensus, echoed OVER AND OVER!
so stop kvetching and stand up to help, all seem ready for a creadible seasoned professional to be RECRUITED and supported b’achdus, moshiach now!
zev
When you say “educated teachers”, do you mean that they hold a diploma in child education? IS that what you mean? They have gone to university and have spent their time learning there?
In that case they have not spent their time in yeshiva, is that the kind of teachers you would be happy with? Is it more important to know how to teach then to know what to teach? Tell me honestly, why would any sane minded individual go get a degree and then come back to degrade himself before a parent body that shows no respect or appreciation for good work, and work for a salary that is way below anything any other degree would bring in?
What exactly are you asking for?! Think before you speak and appreciate the Mesiras nefesh of the teachers!
A full tuition paying parent
Being at that meeting, I was disgusted by the remarks made by 2 members of a wealthy family.
The 1st one was directed at a person who asked a very valid question and the response he got was to the effect of – you are a meshugineh. The issue he raised was not dealt with – this is a classic practice in the yeshiva.
The second comment was made by this wealthy persons spouse stating that anyone not paying full tuition does not have a right to talk… well money can pay for chinuch, but having money does not imply that you are a mechanech.
To prove this, I’ll tell you of a fact that happened here in yeshivah. about 5 years ago, a new (vice?) principle was bought down to yeshivah. Since he came down, the yeshivah improved drastically, he implemented father & son learning, made sure there was a mishnayos Ba’al peh contest each year, had a talmid hashavuah program, was instrumental in arranging a weekly newsletter to inform parents what was going on in the school, Stopped children from running wild in the hallways, on Chassidishe Yomim Tovim he would tell the children about the yomtov – with special missions… (just to name a few).
Another thing that he did was diciplined children – including some members of this wealthy family, now lets just say that a few of these children were “spoiled brats” who spoke chutspahdik and needed someone to discipline them and this vice priciple did his job.
well guess what a member of this wealthy family did? … you got it, they removed him from that position, most probably because the vice principle didn’t stand for the lack of derech eretz and for the chutzpah. So this year we did not have any of these wonderful things that he previously implemented – we went 10 years backwards in Chinuch!
It is quite obvious that having money does not necessarily mean that you could make sound decisions regarding Chinuch.
Perhaps if the hanholo would do what was best for the community rather than what fit their political agenda, perhaps more members of the community would feel obligated to help out.
When this Hanholo took over the Yeshivah, there were 120 boys in a functioning Mesivta, how many are there now? They completely broke the Mesivta, and now they have nothing. Perhaps it needed some improvement, but this hanholo just destroyed it. (some of the mistakes they made are the reason why they are so deep in debt)
I must give the hanholo credit for admitting that they made some mistakes, if they would only reverse their mistakes – they would get a lot more help…
parent of happy Talmid
i’m sure these complaints about tuition and $ are real
but lets give credit and thanks where credit is due!!
my son comes home very happy with his teacher,
thanks to Rabbi Meir Mann and Zirkind who sponsered the Tzivos Hashem program! to get started!
thanks to Shaya Smetana (a product of montreal!) who is making a world of difference for soo many talmidim Not just in montreal!! (we loooov u shaya!)
how about my kids thanking the Hanhala for getting a NEW state of the art GYM!
how about thanking YTTL for my son’s exitement to say CHITAS with me and his chaver (DAILY, for over 4 months! unimaginable!!)
i feared it would fizzle out after a week max!
the Rebbe’s kochos work!
despite all the $ problems etc!
for the first time in years my kid came home and announced that he actually enjoys his substitute day, despite the fact that they learned more than a regular day!
lastly,
thank you to the hanhala for the new emphasis on DERECH ERETZ and NIMUS campaign, my son said that he hated being constantly harassed to tuck in his shirt and keep his desk and hallway clean, pickup coats all day! but he confessed to my wife that he now likes it! and does it automatically!!
maybe my son is exceptional and my experience is above average
but one thing i’m sure, i have seen progress! by THIS hanhala’s leadership, and by it’s selfless dedication!
so thank you and remember that the majority of satisfied parents don’t have a lot of time to post comments!
Response to A Long Time Montrealer
It is clear from your comments that you are a long time Hanhola member, or have relations therewith.
In defense of the moderators of this discussion, the idea is free speech, to allow individuals to express themselves freely, particularly parents and individuals concerned. From other stated comments it seems that there were attempts to speak up at the urgently convened meeting. There also seems to be a consensus of frustration.
To blame the yeshivas financial mismanagement on the current financial crisis is the equivalent of mistaking a microwave for a television. Moreover, to attempt to label the Yeshivas struggle as those of any other educational institution is once again -running from the truth (or rather lying).
Finally, the selfless dedication of the Hanhola is very much appreciated, but let them exit and make way for change, other (Unzere,Zugekumene,Sphardim,English,Yiddish,-all backgrounds).
Oh yeah and how much did you give last night? Thank you!
they got rid of a diamond aftr 6yrs!!!
they got rid of a man who worked like a mule day and night 6 years straight for the yeshiva, just to save a few pennies!
listen to the voices of the talmidim NOT the jingle of your$
how about trying to save $ in the mesivta vda”l
achzoriyus!
at least the knew better than to move!
and 13 vp candidates wouldent dare touch it with a ten foot pole!
why does everyone run the other way, think think think
5yrs ago 2yrs ago why does OT have a waiting list of motivated candidates? why couldn’t the yeshiva find anyone to agree to take 5th grade for a whole year!!! (2years ago)
you might have good intentions, but clearly bad judgment, why not get some DIRECTION!?
to A long time montreal
some of what you wrote i cant deny!
however
ther is a name for your kinda spin, its called
denile or perhaps self-delusion or maybe
“damage-control!” or PR spin, please please let the truth hurt! and make the appropriate changes!
its not about pride, or the reputation of Hanhala, there is something much greater at stake here!! our boys (and grandchildren’s) chinuch and yiddishkeit!!
i’m very proud be raised from a very young age in this beautiful kehila! there is a level of respect and dignity not common to other communities, there is lots to be grateful for about the overall Ruach of montreal, not very materialistic or competitive, not peerpreasured down to the bottom… R”L vdal
i commend crownheights.info ;)
they keep the antiquated and eject the ones who might upset the apple cart!
whistle blowing is the worst crime! vdl
for a time a got hopeful! how naive of me…
ALSO a happy parent
as a mother and former teacher
i am extra sensitive to tune in and pickup signals from my two son in yttlm, ofcurse lots of change is due or past due,
a living orginism is constantly in flux! hopefully for the better!
to the credit of the so called “faceless-hanhala”
i have been paying close attention to my two sons and their chinuch and i GRATEFULLY appreciate the visible progress just since last year this time,
despite all the legitimate complaints, i wish to pointout some under appreciated PROGRESS i havent seen in the past
#1 The level of thivos Hashem (thanks to Shneir Carlbach!)
#2 OTEG (Keep up the great work M. Minsky)
#3 The HD Rebbeh vid in the Lobby (Teacher Rabbi Myhil)
#4 The ALL NEW GYM (Thanks to Rabbi Moshe K. from the board!)
#5 The Derech eretz contest! (Thanks to temporary VP)
#6 The Hachlatos for Rebbeh contest (Thanks to temporary VP)
#7 The Gemara berura system (Thanks to Rabbi Pinny! -board!)
#8 The Full time rotating substitute! (Rabbi Lazar)
the list goes on, one needs only to take a moment to think, and appreciate and notice all the positives and progress,
my kid has become OCD about picking up garbage in the house LOL “each pickup is a mitzvah! MOMMY”
soo lets count our blessings and fix up the parts that need more improvement! but stop the venting! we all get the idea!
Hamaaseh hoo haikar!!
a huge pinny fan
Rabbi Pinny desrves some credit not just for Gemara berura sucess, but the Social skills curriculum, my kid came home with an excited report! we have a frum pppl trainer, teaching us “conflict resolution” and life skills like “how to listen”
kol hakavod to Rabbi pinny, he gets things done!
maybe some greatfulness to all that the “part-timers” D…
i’m sure they are not doing it for the recognition, but they are still human,
WE ourselves (out of mentchlichkeit) should thank them for what they are doing right!!
go ice go!
welfare-land
montreal is welfare-land
too many people with too much time on their hands!
Pinny fan club
we should start a pinny fan club!
Pinny for president!!
its true he’s the only member who actually is PRODUCING!
YECHI PINNY! (hey, that rhymes)
ORANGE AND YELLOW
ORANGE AND YELLOW in the auditorium are to blame.
such wild colors can affect even the most calm montreal community members to get too stimulated and upset.
change the color.
change we can trust
Pinny for Yeshivah Director.
Pinny you gotta do it.
you must take a salary. and do this job, full time.
restructure. reorganize. rebuild.
Pinny is the man for the job.
even if you don’t want to. this is your time.
Pinny for Yeshivah Director.
discouraged
I too tried to help and was optimistic. But any change was refused. Teachers that should have long ago been replaced – or never even hired at all- are still there. The Hanholo refuses to change until now it might be too late!
I stopped helping because I saw it is futlie. They wnat you to tow the line, and when you ask too many questions or voice concerns they shut you out – and quite ruthlessly. The problems are much bigger than money. People stopped giving because they saw they was no matter how much they gave, certain things – very important elemants would not be changed. People are fed-up. Having a smicha dgree or a certain last name does not make you a teacher. That is a main issue they refused to address and would lie about.
a proud montrealer
i’m very proud of montreal, overall yes we’v got some problem! but i’d never trade places with any where els,
for one, the mothers and daughters walk the streets with self respect, and class, not like cheap degraded u know whats R”L
lets not loose perspective of the rich and chasidishe environment that we have fortunately preserved! BH
lets get googd input, together we shal overcome!
TO: welfare-land
TO: welfare-land
why must you degrade and poke fun at parents that actually care and are frustrated.
it seemed important enough for you to make your unhelpful comment.
are YOU on welfare, with too much time on YOUR hands?
70 coments!
wow 70 comments
crownheights.info shores got a lot of eye balls, with lots of opinions!
soo many coments in soo few hrs!! wow!
can only mean 1 of 2 things, either a lot of free time for a lot of bored-souls, or we hit a land-mine,
regardless lets hope that this free and open forum gives rise to a meaningful resolution to this mossad,
CHANGE HAS COME!
i smell change!! change it must be obama, the last 8 years was surely pres. bush’s fault LOL
a montrealer
It is well known among chassidim, that the Rebbe constantly said , that no one has permission to play around with his words. There is a well known member of the Hanhala who publisizes constantly that he was zoche to receive an answer from the rebbe, that he should NOT be a MEMBER of the hanhala.
Hanhala in plain english language is the body that governs. If the rebbe said that this person should not be a member of the hanhala, it maens that he should not be involved in any matters that govern the yeshiva.
Yet, this member not only is he involved in every single aspect in governing how the yeshiva is run, but he doesn’t even hide it as it is evident at the meeting, that he is chairman and all questions dircted to him.
The obvious question is, when will the 2 face stop? When will he realize that when the Rebbe says he should not be a member of the hanhala, he should not be involved in any decison making of the hanhala PERIOD,. As they say in english BUTT OUT.
a montrealer
It was very brave of the hanhala to admit that they made mistakes since they are not educators.
Now what are they going to do about their mistakes? What are they doing to rectify their mistakes? How many families were destroyed because of their mistake?
How many childrens lives were ruined becuase of their mistakes?
When are they going to aplogize to members of the community for their mistakes?
How much did your budget balloon becuase the people you got rid of , had to be replaced each by at least 3 other salaries?
mendel
Concessions!!!!!
The hanhala asked the parents to make concessions.
The hanhala had the nerve to ask the melamdim to give up a check. What nerve are any members of the hanhala or executives of ***** willing to forgo a paycheck?
WHAT CONCESSIONS are the hanhala willing to make, for the community in order to better educate our children? to keep them physically safe? to stop all the abuse our children have to endure because of 2-3 rotten apples of melamdim (which the majority are what to be proud of)
The hanhala will only receive support from the community when they open their ears and listen to the cries of the parents and start by replacing incapable people that are in positions that they should never have been in.
a montrealer
When the hanhala resigns, please do the community a big favor and resign from all other positoions you hold in yeshiva so we can start clean.
TO: a montrealer
When the hanhala resigns, please do the community a big favor and resign from all other positoions you hold in yeshiva so we can start clean.
there is only one member of hanhala who fits this critiria
and he is a dedicated hard worker, who is doing wounders considering the bosses he has to shmooz!
they do get rid of ppl (good ones)
they keep the incompetent and loose (turn off) those who show promise!
montrealer
He may be a hard worker but he still does not have the capacity to be in the position that he is in, and as they say SE SHMEK FUUN KOP.
i-d like to help the families
very sad 4 the unpaid teachers!
please someone post how the public may help out DIRECTLY to the melamdim!
Blabber mouth
There was once a youngster who Nebach couldnt afford tuition, to the extend that he couldnt even purchase a shirt to put on his back. rabbi greenglass personaly collected money for this youngster so that he can go to yeshiva, eat normal food, and wear decent clothes.
Today he call’s people who are BH not in such a difficult position as he was, but unfortunately still in a difficult position nonetheless MISHUGOYIM!
How fast we forget!!
SHAME ON YOU! SHAME ON YOU!
Hope there is hope
How about the fact that they kicked out Rabbi Raskin someone that actually cared about the Mesivta and built it for what it was, here are just a few things that he did while he was there.
1. Any sefer that is there was bought with money that he personally fundraised not money given to him by the yeshiva.
2. Any mivza through out the years were all fund raised by him.
3. When they moved the mesivta to the basement and there was no air-conditioning for the bochurim he went to the administration and they told him you want it go fundraise the money your self GUESS WHAT HE DID IT.
4. Any Farbrengen that they had in the years that he was there was with money he fundraised.
And a lot more
AND FROM ALL THE PEOPLE THET NEED TO GET FIRED FROM THAT PLACE HE GOT FIRED.
hershey fellig
bh in 1961 when my father nussen fellig a/h gave 1000.00 that the REBBE told him in the zchus of this donation he would be zocha to havea ben zochor i am that child so i really hope in the merit of rabbi kramer my fathr and many other great people who built this great yeshivah somehow they can find a way to keep it going or if chas vesholom not moshiach should come now so the orginal shluchim should come back and run it the way it once was hf la ca
to crownheights.info and montreal
ok now,
can someone from montreal post an update please.
why no official update from hanhala, epes a progress report, something!
Blabber mouth
Mrs ****’s comments just prove the old saying that “wise people think before they speak” “ a fool just speaks before they think” unfortunately you are a fool and dont know much, try to keep a lid on it!
For ignorance you cannot apologize for, for your stupidity you can!
Apologize for your stupidity!
a real HOT POTATO
this problem has clearly been simmering for years NOW,
if it bubbles over and explodes, (like it finally did) lets all channel the years of built up FRUSTRATION and RESENTMENT into something POSITIVE,
the “KRECHTZ” is worthless if its ONLY about VENTING RAGE AND ANGER!!
dear anash de’montreal,
unite! stop the barrage of attacks on the “hanhala”
and reFOCUS your energies on STARTING OVER, oros detohoo B’KELIM DETIKUN!
in an intelligant and well thoght-out approach!!
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A GOOD STARTING POINT WOULD BE TO RE-SOLICITE RABBI NACHEM KAPLAN, who was first recruited, than shunned and ignored,
the REBBEH always advised “yedidim” and “MEIVINM” one of these alone is not enough!!
so put your pride aside and start with PROFESSIONAL GUIDANCE!
Response to A Long Time Montrealer
It is clear from your comments that you are a long time Hanhola member, or have relations therewith.
In defense of the moderators of this discussion, the idea is free speech, to allow individuals to express themselves freely, particularly parents and individuals concerned. From other stated comments it seems that there were attempts to speak up at the urgently convened meeting. There also seems to be a consensus of frustration.
To blame the yeshivas financial mismanagement on the current financial crisis is the equivalent of mistaking a microwave for a television. Moreover, to attempt to label the Yeshivas struggle as those of any other educational institution is once again -running from the truth (or rather lying).
Finally, the selfless dedication of the Hanhola is very much appreciated, but let them exit and make way for change, other (Unzere,Zugekumene,Sphardim,English,Yiddish,-all backgrounds).
Oh yeah and how much did you give last night? Thank you!
YISHIVA STUDENT
AT LEAST WE HAVE SOME FREE TIME NOW
NOW MY REBBE HAS A BAD JOBE!!
self declared MASKIL
“SHVIROSON, ZOO HE TAKANOSON” VDL
STEP ONE 100%
A GOOD STARTING POINT WOULD BE TO RE-SOLICITE RABBI NACHEM KAPLAN, who was first recruited, than shunned and ignored
Instead of complaining volunteer!
For the lovely people in Montreal community how has “bashed” the hanhula and this wealthy family should be ashamed.
The Hanhula is a group of volunteers who take time out of their day to meet and try to work with our school situation and do NOT get paid.
The wealthy family in our community has done nothing but good things for the Montreal community. They give jobs to people who need it. Help Yeshiva with donations – NOT with firing anyone. Open their house and hearts to all- no questions asked. They give lots of tzedukah to anyone who asks or needs.
Why would someone badmouth good people who mean good? Yes the comment may be not the right one but to say such not nice things-please. Don’t be jealous of their money only of their good deeds.
Instead of complaining volunteer!
Response to Blabber mouth:
Its seems you have reall issues, especially with money and power.get a job and a life and stop putting good people down.
You should ask mechila for your stupidity!
TO: G BASHER
stop the bickering, genug shoin.
Besides, Mr. ***** did and does more good than anybody knows. even you know that!
you who are on a bashing campaign needs some therapy for how you were raised.
unfortunately you suffer from sick jealousy KEENAH R”L.
we Don’t need MECHACHREY REEV. you help nobody.
go fight hamanijad LEAVE THE JEWS ALONE.
G_D BLESS THE ****’s they are not angels.
so they said a sharp word. nothing you weren’t told by anybody els.
the **** family are tzdikkim gemurim.
especially after you published your sick comments in your cheep effort to defame their amazing name.
we all wish the g’s KOL TUV. G_D BLESS THE G’s
now i can see that MR **** was 100% correct to categorize you as meshuga, i would not apologize.
TO: crownheights.info
WATCH YOUR BACKS!!!
YOU MAY HAVE JUST ACCIDENTLY UPSET A SLEEPING GIANT,
WHAT YOU HAVE UNWITTINGLY DONE, BY FACILITATING THIS FREE AND OPEN EXCHANGE,
YOU HAVE BROKEN AN IRON WALL THAT NO ONE EVER DARED TO!
THE REPRISALS ARE SURELY UNDERWAY, FOR MESSING WITH THE WRONG MAFIA!
notice how the other websites (collive and shmais) stayed far away from reporting on this,
there IS a reason THE KEPT AWAY FROM IT!
i commend your braveness, to give a voice to the parents, who were ignored and patronized for soo long,
this is the first time ever, i can remember a truly OPEN FORUM, where the issues can be frankly addressed and hopefully worked through!
if they try to sabotage or threaten you! we all stand behind you, for your courage to deal with the doozys no one els will.
NO ONE HAS EVER GOTTEN AWAY WITH EXPOSING THE CORRUPTION, so just be alert!!
another montreal parent
Too much venting goin on here.
First of all, Mrs.G apologized so stop harassing her.
Secondly, I too pay full tuition but I dont get even basic menchlich service= I can leave dozens of messages and not even get a phone call back. I have to personally go into the building now straight to the principal or whoever I would like to talk to.
When I need specific changes to personally help my son, I am ignored.
So now, even if I had extra cash I am so not motivated to give it to Yeshiva.
As for paying full tuition, pple cannot afford it because they buy houses (that I cannot afford) and complain they cannot afford tuition on top of their expenses. That is not fair, we squeeze ouselves to cover their houses? Don’t buy a house and then claim you can’t pay for your children and still expect to have a say.
And what gym is everyone talking about? And where is the playground we were promised? And why is there not one extra curricular activity? What is the principal doing all day??? How hard is it to arrange Father and Son Learning? Why are we going downwards???Everyone is too rigid, too tough, too rude and noone takes blame for anything. The only phone calls I ever get from yeshiva are about money. Sadly.
optimist
Changes are being made as we write. If you found your ideas and critiques were being ignored yesterday, you may find that if you try again today, with a proper approach, you may succeed. Now is the time to try … yes, again. Call your local hanhala member and have hope. Thank you hanhala for getting that parents’ program in that people have been working on for months that was about to be ignored. There is no time to waste complaining. The time now is to do. Moshiach now.
Mac Aroni
I mentioned to a recent student from that Yeshiva that it may be in danger of closing… he looked at me and said, “It will never close.” I asked, “Why?” With all seriousness he stared me in the eyes and said, “The devil would never let hell close.”
It seems there needs to be a complete overhaul, from the legaly empowered personel, to the board, to the way people are chosen to have those positions, to the way the yeshiva is managed, etc… total overhaul. Soser al m’nas livnos.
chaval al de-avdin
Great! the melamdim are not being paid?! and no releif in sight?
Does that mean that I should expect my kids to come home even more abused?
a parent
To the happy parent of the yeshiva, all those staff members you listed, do you realized they all replaced one hard working individual?If the yeshiva wants to know why their payroll exploded, maybe they should realize that by removing 2 dedicated staff members, 7 people still can not get the job done.
This school year will be remebered as the worst year for our children. Who knows what is awaiting us for the coming year.
THE TRUTH HURTS
BH
the current vp and many rebbis have told me many times that getting rid of the 6yr vp was clearly a mistake of major proportion,
(not to mention all the others who over the years did soo much for the mossad)
he has given his all for the yeshivah only to be replaced, over trying to save a couple of dollars!
the yeshiva should listen to the opinions of the staff, it would take 10 new vps to fill his shoes!
thats just a fact, the teachers and even the recent vp have been honest enough to admit!!
they all feel bad for what the man went through!!
ANU RACHMONIM B’NEY RACHMONIM!!
i have spoken to soo many other staff and parents, they all feel the same way,
so lets put CHINUCH ahead of “saving” money!! and we will be blessed!
100%
STOP THE FIRING SQUAD!
removing 2 dedicated staff members, 7 people still can not get the job done.
years of experience vs bochrim and newbes!
what were they thinking!
ein chochom kbaal hanisoyon!
they keep loosing OR firing the dedicated quality ppl!!
you cant afford to keep dumping the few ppl actually willing to work with yttlm! is 12 years and 6years not enough?!
unfortunately no one wants to be recruited by THIS (trigger happy) hanhala!
if u care
attention all those who take issue with the current bosses:
help as much as possible for the sake of all the large families (rebbeyim) who haven’t gotten paid in ages!!
some compassion for them!
“ha rachmonus mevateles es hasina”
http://www.yeshivachineseau…
nobody knows.
A Rabbi was hired to deal with kids
that needed more attention and a different style.
students and fellow parents were apparently very satisfied.
a year later the guy was let go.
why? nobody knows.
when asked. he said he was told that “his services were no-longer needed!”
what’s puzzling about that case is,
that he was excellent and very matzliah! he saved lives!
but the “Management” never took the time to evaluate his teaching at all!
his position was never replaced.
They had no idea who they hired and who they fired.
so sad.
100%
Great comment, but the other person fired had 14 years experience.
The 2-3 rotten apples that only know how to emotionally abuse our children, a teacher with a police record for physical abuse and a teacher that can not read or write IVRE or learn a blatt gemorah without an english translation , thoise staff members we keep
former R. Raskin Talmid
did hanhala ask for “michila” from Reb Hirshul Raskin?
whats his family todo now?
the mesivta went from 120 to 12 and is now closing!!! great job hanhala!!
FACT CHECK
ACCORDING TO A NEW HANHALA MEMBER,
BOTH VPs WERE NOT FIRED TO SAVE NONEY!
(MAYBE THE HEAD OF THE MESIVTA WAS!)
(KNOWING BOTH VPs PERSONALLY)
I KNOW WHY THEY QUITE, AFTER THEIR DEMANDS AND REQUESTS WERE REPEATEDLY DISMISSED! (BY THE REST OF THE BORED MEMBERS)
THEY LEFT BC THEY FELT USELESS, GREW DISILUSSIONED FRUSTRATED WITH THE LACK OF SUPPORT!
I WAS INTOUCH WITH BOTH, ALL THROUGH-OUT!
I WATCHED THE INEVITABLE UNFOLD! SADLY SOO PREDICTABLE!
no apology
Why does everyone keep on saying “THEY APLOLOGIZED”!?!?
This is not true!!!!
On the contrary, they (the family) are all in agreement that the statement was well founded!!
i cry
i read all of this stuff and i cry.
we need to strengthen our ahavas yisroel.
are we not all one family?
GIVE PEACE A CHANCE!
ALL WE ARE SAYING.
IS GIVE PEACE A CHANCE !
peace on israel
When two people quarreled Aharon went and sat down with one of them and said to him, “My son, know that your friend has said, ‘I am ashamed before him because I have sinned against him.’ ” Aaron would sit with him until he had dispelled the ill feeling from his heart. Then Aaron would go and sit with the other one and say to him, “Know that your friend is saying, ‘Woe is to me! How shall I raise my eyes and look at my friend? I am ashamed before him because I have sinned against him.’ ” Aharon would sit with him until he had dispelled the ill feeling from his heart. When the two friends later met, they embraced and kissed each other (ibid. 12:3).
mesivta bochur
i am a current mesivta bochur and i used to go to limudei chol up until this year. Everyone who says that this limudei chol will help you in life for a parnosoh is wrong because the teachers are only allowed to teach in french so whether you go or not u still only gain very little
also crying
I am also crying, for our children,when NOBODY on the hanhalo cares about their well being, education or safety.
rivky hafter
why doesn;t anyone write there names r they scared for shidduchim for montreal families??????
i’m not even living in montreal but it’s sad to see everyone so bitter and angry not even knowing the root of the problem or actively finding ways to work on it,and casting blame on every one else.
There is a story of two young boys later one of them was a rebbe and one pushed the other one down to appear taller and the lesson was u don’t become higher by pushing someone down or reminding them of their past … hamavin yuvan
bepoal i dont think it’s just money there is deep rooted sina
everyone should look in the mirror and focus what can i do to change the situation.your children are all reading our comments give respect and hakoras hatov were it’s due and the faults don’t deny them catch them at their roots!
we r now in the sefirah remember what r we improving????
TO FACT CHECK
to fact check, the hanhola claimed last winter they will save $100,100.00 for their reconstruction of the mesivta. So they let go of the head of the mesivta to save money and replaced him with 2 people who each one of them are taking a larger salary then the previous one. so that is 2 times plus.all the fundraising that the head of the mesivta did which was $30-40,000 was added to the yeshiva budget. Enrollment plummeted. How much did they save?Please take out your calculators
MESIVTA STUDENT
most of my rebbis were excellent!
1 or two are NOT and very like old fashioned, they are like bullies! i hate davening because of one of the, i still daven BH
unimpressed parent
The Yeshiva structure is messed up.
Details of whether or not limudei chol is a very small part of the problem.
Is there any language that your children have learned well in Yehiva?
Was it Yiddish?
Hebrew?
English?
French?
Can they articulate their studies on any topic that they learned in Yeshiva?
Are your children successful Shluchim? If yes was their success do to the Montreal Yeshiva or was it due to some other Yeshiva out of town?
Perhaps you or your children fit the mold?
So you can be the HAPPY PARENT!
The other 80% can forget about it!
Open your eyes!
This is not normal!
I learned in Yeshiva, I have a decent paying job B“H BA”H, but I struggle with these issue’s to date, and I know this problem is ongoing!
There is no proper corriculum!
Although some Rebbe’s are better then others…
The problem really is on top, there is no direction, no one to speak to! And mostly egotistical people who from the start exclude half the community when it comes to decision making!
Betochon is great after you make yourself a Keli for the Brochos!!!
to crownheights.info
update please
any progress??
unimpressed parent is 1000% correct!
unimpressed parent
1000% correct!
In-Towner
I love Montreal.
I love the Yeshiva.
I love how our community is so incredible warm, tznius and Chassidish.
The Yeshiva is doing their best.
I AGREE W UNINPRESSED PARENT!
yet i dont ignore all that i’m thankful for in the rest of this beautiful community
CHASSIDIM, DONT GIVE UP!!!
to all those who think “OZAV H ES HO-ORETZ” ch“v
think again!
did we as chasidim of the Rebbeh, ever give up and surrender!
just bc it seems hopeless and impossible,
just bc ALPI TEVAH it seems impossible,
JEWS, CHASIDIM UBEFRAT CHABAD, have prevailed despite the worst odds, (DESPITE OURSELVES!!!)
REMEMBER! WE HAVE A GREAT REBBEH! WHO DOESN’T EITHER ”JUST CUT AND RUN“!!
IF YOU HAVE BEEN WITH CHABAD FOR MORE THAN A DAY, YOU KNOW THAT OUR EXISTENCE AND FENOMINAL HATZLACHA IS DUE TO THE KOICHOIS OF OUR REBBEH, (from H’ via the NOSI) AND NOT ”KOICHI V’OITZEM YODI“
THE PAST 68 YEARS HAVE NOT EITHER HAD THE BEST QUALIFIED MANAGEMENT, YET WE CONTINUED DESPITE OUR SELVES!
SOO LETS GET TOGETHER B’ACHDUS! AS ”CHASIDIM EIN MISHPACHA“!
AND TOGETHER WE CAN AND WILL CERTAINLY SURMOUNT ANY CHALLENGE POSED BY SITRA ACHARA!
REMEMBER: BRCHEINU AVINU KULANU K’ECHOD”!!
SHALOM AND ACHDUS!!
Prof A D Teitlebaum
BSD
Montreal Tomche Tmimim in grave financial crisis
The Rebbe taught that one does read nor respond to a Pashkvil. Any unsigned letter is considered a Pashkvil. As such we will refrain from commenting here on any of the posted opinions expressed in this forum.
But we would like to use this forum as a constructive vehicle for helping the Yeshiva in its present crisis.
Tomche Tmimim Lubavitch Montreal – The Rabbinical College of Canada needs over $441,000 just to cover salaries of Melamdim and staff as of March until the end of June. An additional $500,000 in other expenses and short term loans is urgently required.
A campaign is currently underway to raise $2,000 per family from Anash and parents in Montreal. The Yeshiva, founded in 1941 by the Previous Rebbe, has thousands of graduates and Shluchim all over the world.
We appeal for your kind and generous assistance. Please send help, whatever you can, to “RCC – Emergency Fund” 6405 Westbury Avenue, Montreal (Quebec) CANADA H3W 2X5 or you can contribute online through participating in the Yeshiva’s Chinese Auction being held this coming Tuesday, May 5. http://www.yeshivachineseau… and win one of the fabulous prizes
you can enter by Clicking on the Bright Beginnings chinese auction ad on the top of this page
Prof A D Teitlebaum
TRUTH TO BE TOLD
To Fact Check
FINALLY a member of the hanhala revealing some truth 1 year too late.The head of the mesivta was dismissed to save money. What a reason to fire a well beloved educator after 14 years. All we heard were lies and stupidity from the hanhala why they fired him. Comes summer time and they see they do need a head of Mesivta, but instead of stooping down on their kovod (which they are not on the hanhala for kovod) they went to hire a “newbie” with no experience at a higher salary. (talk about budgeting). When that failed 2 weeks into the school year, the “NEW” hanhala members again could not go down on their kovad to hire him back, they went and hired a bochur again at a higher salary instead. (we won’t discuss that the previous head of the mesivta put his job on line trying to protect this very bochur’s skin)
AND THE FARMER TOOK ANOTHER LOAD AWAY.
The End.
Rabbi Teitelbaum,
Thank you.
How true, “The Rebbe taught that one does read nor respond to a Pashkvil. Any unsigned letter is considered a Pashkvil. As such we will refrain from commenting here on any of the posted opinions expressed in this forum.”
Thank you for some wise, clear words.
TO: The End. wrote:
WE KNOW EXACTLY WHO YOU ARE (PROF. TEITELBAUM)
FOR A MAN OF YOUR STATURE, IT IS UNBEFITTING FOR U TO TRY TO SURPRESS THE VOICES OF THE PPL WHO HAVE BEEN BETRAYED FOR SO LONG!!!
AND WHEN QUOTING THE REBBE, REMEMBER THAT THE REBBE PUT THE NEEDS OF OUR CHILDREN AHEAD OF ALL OTHER CONSIDERATIONS. (EGO, POLOTICS, LEGACY, KOVOD, AND GRUDGE!!
SO STOP SPINNING THE REBBE’S WORDS AROUND YOUR BANKRUPT CREDITABLILITY
THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY WILL GLADLY EMBRACE YOU IF YOU CAN BE HUMBLE ENOUGH TO OUTSOURCE FOR GUIDANCE AND DIRECTION IN MATTERS OF CHINUCH ANDD RUNNING A YESHIVAH ENOUGH OF THE ARROGANCE OF THE
JUST VIOLATED YOUR OWN
DEARREST PROFFESSOR
dear professor,
please listen to voices of the children, please allow change a chance!!
to: The End.
if u really want it to “end” and just all go away! u need only to put the kinderlach first! (to hanhala: u know what to do = soo put your pride aside)
This is useful forum
While it is true that some of the commments have been downright distasteful and nasty, it is the first forum that people can vent their issues with the Yeshiva.
It is useful for the Hanhala to gain soome insight to the viewpoints of parents and students by reading these comments. Some of us have clout ie yichus, established or money that allows us the freedom to speak out in our own voice. Some of us on the other hand, have no yichus, are new here or are just plain working class people and we dont hav that freedom because we can be hurt by those in power if we do
Sad, but true.
So, although I think some of the personal attacks have crossed the line, this anonymous forum in general is an excellent idea. The hanhola should not critize it, it should read it and listen to the people.
Dear Prof A D Teitlebaum
BSD
Dear Prof A D Teitlebaum
“Any unsigned letter is considered a Pashkvil.”
o.k. so the whole “hanhola” is a “pashkvil” organization.
the“hanhola” has no names!
(example: look at the graphic for this forum. it was not even signed in print, somebody scribbled “the hanhola” like all other events and letters and notices that go out “the hanhola”)
Prof A D Teitlebaum, are you a member of the hanhola?
since when?
who elected you?
what’s your position?
what are your obligations?
who are you answerable to?
what power do you have?
Please make public a full list of all Named “hanhola” members and their positions.
for example: what is the position and title, of the man who lead the emergency meeting? anybody knows?
Lets Make some history here!
announcing for the very first time in 25 years the hanholo of TTL Montreal.
School Director:________________?
Head of departments____________?
Elected board members_____? Since when______?
how many members_____?
when are the next elections_________?
will you fire me if i sign my name?
Signed yours truly,
a member of “the hanholo of questions”
bonus question: who’s the real president of the former USSR?
WISHING SUCCESS TO HANHALA
…some of the personal attacks have crossed the line, this anonymous forum in general is an excellent idea. The hanhola should not critize it, it should read it and listen to the people
DEAR HANHALA, FOCUS NOT ON DAMAGE CONTROL TO YOUR OWN REPUTATION AND LEADERSHIP, RATHER PLEASE (FOR THE SAKE OF OUR CHILDREN) FOCUS ON LEARNING THE LESSONS BROUGHT TO LIGHT VIA THIS OPEN FORUM!
YOUR ONLY HOPE FOR RECAPTURING THE SUPPORT AND RESPECT OF THE FORMER SUPPORTERS, IS BY DEMONSTRATING SOME HUMILITY AND OPENNESS TO INPUT!
BY A PUBLIC STATEMENT OF APOLOGY AND REGRET! ALONG WITH A PLEDGE FOR THE FUTURE, TO IMPLEMENT ALL OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND GUIDANCE FROM RABBI N. KAPLAN, WHICH TO DATE WAS IGNORED, AND HAS RESULTED IN THE CRISES AND MESS!!
SEEKING AND ACCEPTING PROFESSIONAL DIRECTION, IS NOT A SIGN OF WEAKNESS, BUT RATHER A SIGN OF WISDOM!!
Thanks to Webby
Its really great that crownheightinfo put the comments on the right. Now I can see what the community cares about. I just wonder if there will ever be another post that gets this many comments. Also they removed the weird letters so its faster to comment Thank you Webby
TO: truth be told
Rabbi r is well beloved and a great menahel he is greatly missed by everyone who he taught in mesivta he brought an element of chassidishkeit that was second to none he made so many mivtsa’s including learning sotah where everyone who participated got a full set of shaas I can sing rabbi r praises all day that being said there is no reason to bash the people who were brought in they are trying very hard and it is definitly not their fault why the hanhola did what they did
The End. Period.
Well, I am honored that you think I am Rabbi T himself, that is quite the compliment.
In any case…. what I meant by my comment is that everyone knows nothing useful and constructive will come out of this horrible loshon hara forum.
So let’s end this ridiculous bashing and venting and hatred and destruction!
I understand you want to have your voice heard, but do you really think these 135+ pashkivil comments will make an iota of a difference?
Not a chance.
Ah, but you argue, at least I had a voice. I was heard!! My opinion counts! I can argue and point out every problem and dysfunction and bash everything down and tell you exactly how to fix everything!!
This ridiculousness is utterly pointless and even, yes, childish. It is just causing higher blood pressure and nothing tachlisdik.
So… DAYENU!!!!
TO: The End. Period.
do you really think these 135+ comments will make an iota of a difference?
Not a chance.
DONT BE SO SUSPICIOUS OF THE CURRENT HANHALA!
TO SUGGEST THAT DESPITE THE UNPRECEDENTED OUT CRY (135+)
“NOT A CHANCE” FOR A DIFFERENCE!!
NOT AN IOTA!!
HOW LOW ARE YOU TO ACCUSE THE HANHALA OF BEING SOO STUBERN AND FULL OF PRIDE!
HOW DARE YOU!! I HOPE YOU ARE WRONG!!
TO: The End. Period.
do you know even who is the hanhala! before you accuse them of being closed to progress or ideas from parents, be DAN LEKAF ZECHUS! give the hanhala the benefit of the doubt, that they will finally stop ignoring the parents,
i think they learned their lesson, (i sure hope so!)
before accusing anyone of being closed off to improvement, or of being too stubborn, look in the mirror…
SILVER LINNING!! look at the positive!!
to all those montrealers scared about the leadership!
chear up!! this is one of the proofs of the last days of galus!!
“the leadership will be like dogs!!” so thank the hanahole
The End. Period
To my commenters, true, true. Valid points you bring up. I agree. Thank you for bringing that to my attention.
Brothers, Sholom al Yisroel!!
Moshiach Now!
false humility and a convenient secret!
a paper was distributed in shul with a full list of the names of the donars who gave at least $2,000 each. an act of true mesiras nefesh for many of them,especially in our current economic situation. kol hakavod.
but not a full or even a partial list of responsible managers, electted or otherwise, has yet been published.
a professional fundraiser was apparently recruited by somebody and will be answerable to the “hanholo” but whom are the hanhola answerable to?
Hanholo! who are you!
the donars list shows who is and who is not a donor.
now we know who takes credit and who not. its clear
who is and who is not in the hanholo?
who can we talk to?
WILL THE REAL BOSS PLEASE STAND UP !
with whom should the greater montreal jewish community coordinate with.
who hires and fires? who decides on the fate of our children’s education?
who gains from this organizational secret?
the parrents? no.
the teachers? no.
the children? no.
the responsible “hanhola” members? shush!
false humility and a convenient secret!
Disgruntled mother+former supporter
sadly i’m afraid, your optimism is kind yet sadly unfounded!
these hanahole bosses have had all the chances in the world show concern for the needs of the students, to listen, actually listen to the voices of the parents! they had many chances to return phone calls, yet the chose to ignore ignore ignore, unless of course you have YICHUS etc otherwise you were worthless and irrelevant, tigers don’t change their stripes, with the exception of Rabbi Pinny (who seems to get things done) most of the others seem to just gravitate to power, or clearly have a need to make a legacy for them selves! (if you have an inferiority complex, why should the children loose?!) stop your arrogant ways and demonstrate some humility by paying up the money you owe to Reb Nochem Kaplan, and begin allowing competant, trained experienced, proven experts to make the NIHUL decisions, not your egos or pride!
WAY OF THE FUTURE
NO NEED TO END PERIOD!
NOT UNTIL REAL CHANGE! NOT JUST LIP SERVICE!
to all trolls out there who cant wait for follow up!
and to all fellow parents who would like an easy tip to access this page well after its 3rd page news simply COPY PASTE this link to your desktop, simple!!
http://www.crownheights.inf…
btw
Checkout OT’s blog for parents, its a great idea for change accountability and revamp to the “system”
please keep comments in the positive and on point! to keep it fruitful and constructive!
EMAIL THIS LINK TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS (PARENTS CONCERNED)
in suspense!
any updates?
great idea
thanks for the link!
murder she
we need achdus? But How???
Pinny fan, and hopful mother
ive already sent a link to seven peers w/childern in 4th an 5th grade, lets continue a dignified ongoing forum for positive change,
(please dont use this simply to vent) little has been accomplished, over 20 years, if you want change, i’m hopeful, that this first ever open forum, will g-willing revamp the top (down), for the better!
optimist
Achdus! you say, Achdus is here!
1
All share a common bottom line, (the best for our children!)
2
All agree that the last years was a disasters! (no1 denies)
3
All agree that w/o change of status quo “leadership” =same!!
4
All agree that hanh. needs to differ to pros. in chinuch!
5
All agree that the LOST supporters will b recaptured aftr real Change!! (guided and processed via Outside professionals) not by the current unqualified minds on the top,
they need to admit their Limitations! for the sake of chinuch
soo lets daven, and trust that “loy yaazov tzon mariso”
THAT TI TRUE ACHDUS, UNITED BY A GOAL, AND A COLLECTIVE SENTIMENT,
Sholder to Sholder, yet sooooo far apart
how sad, two buildings side by side, both barring the name YTTL montreal,
one is doing very well, (the Yeshiva Gedola by R. Kaplan)
and one is a disasters closing down!!
one attracts students from around the world, the other turns off students…
the essential diff. is age, and Leadership!
To Alumni and soon to be yeshiva parent
there have been those who tried but the hanhola is so corrupt that nothing works
Montrealer for the past 2 years
The Rebbe always said that he is against limudei chol whatsoever for the boys at least before the age of four (don’t even teach how to read). This doesn’t ruin the kid’s life on the contrary it strengthens him in his yiddishkeit wich specially important nowadays. If it’s a problem of salary as an adult know that it’s not your level of studies that gives your salary but rather Hachem that gives it to you. As an example, the person that said that only the one paying full tuition could talk is bh for her very wealthy, her children and grandchildren too this without having learning limudei chol as kids.
nobody ever forced parents to put their kids in TTL Montreal. The parents doing it thinks it is good for them. Moreover there is a french curriculum at least in the lower grades that is offered already.
Montreal is a big community and I thought smart community. Why then does it have to blow up in front of everybody. Why always blame the same people?? Just act rather than talk (emor meat veasse arbe)
Wishing you all hatzlocho raba
Response to Montrealer for past 2 years
Thank you for emphasizing the importance of limudei chol. You prove that this learning is necessary in order to be able to communicate clearly and rationally.
Yeshiva Parent
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RABBINICAL COLLEGE OF CANADA
DOCUMENTS MICROFILMÉS
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to: Yeshiva Parent
thank you for the homework!
not joking, you should work for the fbi! bc you were able to find out what 99% of parents could not!
an angry parent
As a parent of a student in Yeshiva, I believe I have a right to my opinion even though the hanhala does not want to hear it. Had this school taken the right steps in educating our children years ago, many of the parents of the children in the school would be able to read, write and hold successful jobs. Due to the lack of secular education, this community is in a financial mess. Start to educate our boys like we educate our girls. It is written in the torah that it is the man’s job to find parnassa for his family. So why are you people so busy making sure the girls are ducated and the boys are not. This comes from the laziness in the men in our community. They don’t want to work. they want the ladies to go out there and get jobs. I cannot understand how you think your system works. Take a good look around you and notice that we live in a poor community with families who cannot afford life.
to an angry parent
the Rebbe’s view is,that a school must have choil studies available!!!
not just available but it should be “top-notch”!!!!!!!!!!
re a parent who wishes to personally delay choil studies as late as possible (9yo or 12yo or etc as the Rebbeh encouraged) the Rebbeh gave a special bracha that such a delay will NOT prevent the future success in parnasa!!
provided of course, that the parent DOES follow all the rest of the Rebbe’s guidance in parenting!
one cannot pick n choose and wonder why the “system” isent working!
P Amoni
The broader issue is that Lubavitchers are encouraged to lead an economically unsustainable lifestyle in the name of advancing Lubavitch’s core message: spread Judaism. Many children, no education, different dress code than others all contribute to communal poverty. I’m not criticizing Lubavitchers lifestyle, just stating a fact. I think if/ when Lubavitchers acknowldge that reality alot of the animosity will disappear. They will accept that living “the life” comes with the burden of communal poverty, and those with the ability to give will do so happily, and those without will accept poverty as a result of their mission (and be at peace) or leave.
this forum continues to work!
i keep bumping into fellow parents who printed out all 200 comments, to extract all valuable points to learn from
the 1st comments begin in April!!!
the discussion continues! (the problem needs more attention than ever!
previouse post
WAY OF THE FUTURE wrote:
NO NEED TO END PERIOD!
NOT UNTIL REAL CHANGE! NOT JUST LIP SERVICE!
to all trolls out there who cant wait for follow up!
and to all fellow parents who would like an easy tip to access this page well after its 3rd page news simply COPY PASTE this link to your desktop, simple!!
http://www.crownheights.inf…
btw
Checkout OT’s blog for parents, its a great idea for change accountability and revamp to the “system”
please keep comments in the positive and on point! to keep it fruitful and constructive!
EMAIL THIS LINK TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS (PARENTS CONCERNED)
who says nothing has helped!
More change and more improvements have been initiated by individual parents, to fix the “problem” on a small scale! (for their own kids!
Wow what a read!!!!
G-d help Montreal