Shochet Still Incarcerated – Tehillim Needed
The Shochet, Tal Ginter with his family.
POSTVILLE, IA [CHI] — Tal Ginter was incarcerated during the Agriprocessors raid and unfortunately has had to spend Shabbos behind bars. Some Shluchim from Postville visited him Friday to bring him food and lift his spirits. We are asking that in the spirit of Ahavas Yisroel that people should please say Tehillim as well as do some extra deeds of goodness and kindness, so that we can speed up his release.
More in the Extended Article!
Just wondering
Maybe he should have procured a working visa prior to breaking our country’s employment laws and working unlawfully
?????
what is his name and his mothers name
2JustWonderin
To Just Wondering…
True. Same thing with Jonathan
Pollard, he committed a crime and
is serving his time, why are
so many people trying to get the
criminal out?
Jewish or not nobody is exempt.
Frustrated watching a Chillul Hashem
I totally agree with “just wondering”.
It is legal to get a visa to work in the US. (It is time consuming and difficult-deal with it!)
It is legal to buy insurance.
It is legal to have a drivers license.
It is legal to immigrate to the US-there is no reason to sneak into the country.
Somehow, we have developed an attitude of Torah’s laws are the only real laws and the “goyishe” laws, they are meant to be circumvented. That may have been good in Russia, but here in the West, we CAN do things legally.
So often we hear of saying Tehillim for someone who broke the law…WHO COULD HAVE DONE LEGALLY!
(let me predict how this will be answered: “This is not the time to preach. We have to get our fellow Yid out of jail” Let me ask, when is it time to preach? I preached in my first paragraphs. Has anyone listened?
to mr mayby
to number 1
maybe have a heart and he made a mistake and now try and help him out
one of if notthe biggist mitzvah is pidyom shvuyim
maybe you should be careful what you say
and maybe u shoould do some type of teshuva
just mayby
CHT
So he did a bit of shtik with the docos. Is this a reason to be in the prison away from family? Can not you see that we are not living in the normal world?
Big Ben
Hey “Just wondering” do you aks the same question of the rest of 20 million illigals in the country?
To Just wondering
Instead of being a “Monday morning quarterback”, why dont you just say tehillim!
Also wondering
To “Just wondering” and to all of you out there also wondering.
I am also wondering.
What has happened to Yiddishe Rachmanus. We are Rachmonim, Bayshonim, Gomlei Chasodim. This is a fellow JEW we are talking about.
What happened to Pidyon Shivuyim, one of the greatest mitzvos?
Have we become so calcified by this American golus, that the ‘tzaar’ of our brother no longer touches our hearts!
Shame on you!
ploni
Do the mitzvah, say Tehillim, and get the man out of there.
Then you can call him up and give him your lecture.
Suzie Q
To: Frustrated watching a Chillul Hashem
Thank you so much for what you had to say. I’ve been pretty torn up about what has happened and how I feel about it. Your comments made me feel better about how I feel. Thank you.
just answering
2JustWondering…
Maybe it would be smarter to leave out things you really don’t know about…aka Jonathan Pollard.
The campaigns for his release have nothing to do with whether or not he is guilty. Of course he is guilty and he plead guilty. But the injustice is that he was arrested for one crime–espionage–and he plead guilty, the average sentance is 2-4 years and no one has ever served more than 7. He was convicted of another crime–while he was being tried for espionage–and he was convicted of treason–which couldn’t really happen because the nature of treason is giving information to an enemy nation and Israel clearly doesn’t fit that form. He was sentanced to life in solitary confinement–a punishment that no one has ever recieved for the same crime.
The Jonathan Pollard campaigns want him out because he was cheated out of a fair trial by anti-Semites in our government. His sentance is extreme for the crimes committed–and no one with the same crimes served as long.
israel
To the one who said,
“True. Same thing with Jonathan
Pollard, he committed a crime and
is serving his time, why are
so many people trying to get the
criminal out?”
people who committed similar crimes had a much lighter sentence and Jonathan
Pollard is kept in prison beyond the time others have , which makes you wonder if he is in there for pure anti semitic reasons.
Yaakoiv G. Stuart
While he may have broken the law, he is still needing & desrving of our help. Instead of blaming Tal, we should all be pointing a finger at his employer. They should have made sure he had proper papers or obtained them for him. How can we trust Rubashkin kashrus if they are only out to make a buck??
BOYCOTT RUBASHKIN PRODUCTS UNTIL THEY OBTAIN HIS FREEDOM!!!
sh
it seems there is no shortage of Yevsektsia within our community that do not care to see other yidden sitting in prison for legal paper issues.
not to mention all the other things going inside our community.
hashem yerachem
Boruch
If you “Just wondering” lived a couple hundred years ago, and a jew was thrown in jail by the poretz, you would say why would he rent an inn if he didn’t have the skills to turn a profit? I hope you regret your words.
Menachem
To “Frustrated watching a Chillul Hashem
” – I agree 100%. It’s about time that everyone learns that keeping the laws of the country is top priority. It’s about time we start teaching from the kids all the way upto the adults, that being a mentch doesn’t only mean having respect for your fellow-yidden, but also for fellow human beings, and the laws of the land.
Menachem
To “Also wondering ” – your arguments are exactly what “Frustrated watching a Chillul Hashem ” predicted. You must be another one of those close minded people who think that as long as you shake away and do Chitas, you can rip of the country and do what you want.
Follow the Law
Obey the laws of the land. That is a Torah COMMANDMENT.
Working illegal in the united states and Not paying Taxes is a CRIME.
Its just like stealing a car, or robbing someone.
I pray for his release and I pray that he will be a reminder for Jews who think because we are so holy that we can brush aside the laws of the land as we live in the galus.
FOLLOW THE LAW. Chabad illegal working in a country, tax evasion.
FOLLOW THE LAW.
MN
I agree, shame on you, Just Wondering.
CR
“What has happened to Yiddishe Rachmanus. We are Rachmonim, Bayshonim, Gomlei Chasodim. This is a fellow JEW we are talking about.”
I don’t think anyone here is suggesting that R. Ginter rot in jail, R“L. I think we all want to help him and understand that he is probably caught in a situation beyond his control and had no idea what he was getting into at the outset. I suspect that his American ”handlers“ never expected ICE to come down as hard as they did last week.
”What happened to Pidyon Shivuyim, one of the greatest mitzvos?”
Is this really a case of Pidyon Shevuyim? There is no conspiracy against him personally or against Jews in general and it is highly doubtful that he is in any grave physical danger. Also, there is a strong likelihood of violation of the law pertaining to Homeland Security; a govt. function established in the wake of the bloody 9/11 attacks on our home soil!
Yes, we should be concerned about a fellow Jew who is in trouble and strive to help any way we can; food, clothing, tefillin, legal advocacy, daven on his behalf etc. However, let’s not get carried away assuming that there is a Torah directive that supersedes the Dina DeMalchusa.
Yid
You missed something important!
His name is Tal ben Sara
Yoni
I am married. I learned in yeshiva with Tal. He was an Incredible person. Always friendly in Morristiwn. ALways made an effort to make others happy and smile. He would get up at rediculous hours to learn chassidus before davening. I would put my trust in his shchita any time any day…
G-d bless him and his family
Yoni once more
all you people saying he belongs in jail yada yada yada.
You wouldn’t say these things if it was someone close to your heart.
So introspect and go take a course on sensitivity training.
boruch ben tzvi(A H)hakohaine hoffinger
B“H
To: 2JustWonderin wrote:
You’re partly right and partly cruel.
Torah itself mandates: ‘Dina deMalchuta Dina.”
Mr. Shochet certainly seems to have done the wrong thing. Not abiding by the laws of the land transgresses the Torah.
Jonathan Pollard, if you followed the history, was lied to by Casper Weinberg and given an unusually cruel and long sentence.
America has acted brutally against him and unjustly.
I Know a Goy When I see one
Just wondering is Levi Hubner
One of the simonim of a Yid is they are rachamanim!
chaim
what is wrong with u guys?????
a fellow yid and noch mer a lubavitcher is in trouble, why should we start jusging him?? maybe he was working on his visa who knows and who cares…
next time u should reach out to ppl like him and offer asstiance in getting papers..
Postville
To Just Wondering; All the judges out there
I am working on this case and Rabbi Tal has not broken any law. He entered the country legally, had a green card. When he moved he filed for a change of address, has proof that he changed the address, however the immigration systems did not record it, and kept sending him letters to his old address which made him lose his green card because he did not respond to his letters which he did not receive.
Until he was arrested, he did not even know his green card was canceled.
Next time you judge somebody, make sure you know the story behind it as you know when you judge somebody you are actually judging yourself, so be careful.
Please say to Tehillim to Tal ben Sarah
disgusted with some comments
shame on you!!! a little compassion for fellow jew would be nice!! lets hope you never need the community’s support…..
disgusted with some comments
shame on you!!! a little compassion for fellow jew would be nice!! lets hope you never need the community’s support…..
Postville
To Frustrated watching a Chillul Hashem and All the judges out there
I am working on this case and Rabbi Tal has not broken any law. He entered the country legally, had a green card. When he moved he filed for a change of address, has proof that he changed the address, however the immigration systems did not record it, and kept sending him letters to his old address which made him lose his green card because he did not respond to his letters which he did not receive.
Until he was arrested, he did not even know his green card was canceled.
Next time you judge somebody, make sure you know the story behind it as you know when you judge somebody you are actually judging yourself, so be careful.
Please say to Tehillim to Tal ben Sarah
TIME FOR REAL ACTION
TO JUST WONDERING AND FRUSTRATED. PLEASE TELL ME WHO YOU ARE SO THAT I SHOULD KNOW WHO TO WATCH OUT FOR. WITH SUCH FRIENDS WHO NEEDS ENEMIES. WHAT ABOUT ALL THE MOMZERIM THAT ARE RUNNING WILD ON THE STREETS BEATING UP INNOCENT KIDS? THEY ARE RUNNING WILD AND FREE AS LONG AS THEY HAVE VISA’S … I WILL SAY TEHILLIM FOR YOU THAT YOU SHOULD NEVER BE IN THIS TYPE OF SITUATION.
a comment for just wondering
Are you jewish do you realize he is your brother by blood or that.Is the way you would talk about your real brother. it says that a jew who does not have rachmonos you must check again if he is really a jew. I would never imagine a fellow brother speak such words about a another fellow brother.
dtw
Visas, documents, immigration papers are something that many people neglect and don’t realize that they could get in trouble over it. Americans do the same thing in EY. I think this guy figured that the government would never look in his direction. How many of our kids are running around all over the world without updated visas? I spoke to some mothers who remembered that their kids were also running around without papers. Don’t judge this guy.
wonder man
hey mr just wondering,stop wondering if u want to wonder think first next time.i hope u dont wonder often,that would be pretty bad.
to: just wondering and frustrated
NOONE HAS THE RIGHT TO ASK OR SAY WHY HES INCARCERATED! IT ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT MATTER! THE FACT IS HE IS,AND KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO YOURSELF.
fe
to:just wondering and frustrated
you must be drunk or kidding
to:frustrated
DONT U WONDER HOW ONLY ONE PERSON AGREES WITH YOU?? REALLY COME ON !! HONESLTY I REALLY REALLY DO FEEL BAD FOR YOU, I REALLY HOPE YOU DONT CALL YOURSELF FRUM.
Tehillim Tal ben Sarah
Please say Tehilim for the immediate release of Tal ben Sarah.
Riki
To Just Wondering
It is advisable to do a bit of research before making sweeping statements that make you look like a fool.
Ex Postville resident
I am just wondering. Rubashkin has one of the best immigration attorneys in this country, you really think that they would let their Shochet sit in jail a second longer than necessary? I worked for Rubashkin and you can say about them whatever you want, but they all have a big heart and I am sure they are working on this case non stop. In the mean time lets have some compassion for this family
Are you with us or against us?
It is incredible to read the
callous remarks toward a fellow brother who is suffering behind bars.
This lack of Rachmanus for another yid is a symptom of the same type of individual who resorts to mesirah, and justifies his actions because ‘he is on the side of the law’.
This is our equivalent of the Erev Rav.
As a community, we must say No! to mesirah and to this type of callousness.
We are one people, one nation, one family.
“Imo Onochi Btzarah”
Wake up and smell the coffee............
I am sure that there is not a person her with a negative comment to make who would write the same thing if it were his/her brother/father/son/grandson/nephew etc. sitting in jail together with career criminals. Now is time to be melamed zchus and help not to side with those who cause suffering to our brother and his family.
Damavodov
To all of you wondering where do rotten hashkofos as those written by wondering, frustrated, suzane Q and the likes come from, the obvious answer is an overdose of conservative talk radio. those comments sound like bob grant at his prime in the 80s.
Listening to this demagogy makes us feel good as it relates to the chayos raos of CH, but please be smart enough do disassociate these views from situations dealing with your fellow jew.
And by the way, al pi din, the obligation of pidyon shvuyim applies also to the case in which one is absolutly guilty (even of transgressing the almaighty US government’s law).
Maybe all these people should clarify the Torah’s view on these issues.
Suzie Q
No one is judging Tal. The comments you don’t like are comments about the system. Comments about the general apathy towards anything but Torah law. Of course, we should help the guy out. But this is a lesson to everyone to be vigilant about their working immigrant status. To be sure to follow the laws and to follow up. Same with the Rubashkins. Why isn’t anyone upset with them? They created this mess. They know better.
Heartbreaking
This is SO heartbreaking. The Torah says we should not judge until we have stepped into that person’s shoes…and since it is impossible to follow in a person’s footsteps his whole life, THERE IS NO JUSTIFIED PLACE TO JUDGE. Let The Abishter do the judging and we should do our part and be good, kind-hearted, sensitive, caring people. And do our utmost to help a fellow Jew, especially a chassidisher, lubavitcher Yid. May Moshiach come and save us all from this finsterer golus.
Frustrated watching a Chillul Hashem
To Time for Action and others:
Should we show Rachmonus to Tal? Absolutely. No question. It was stated that he didn’t break the law. However, even if he had, we still have to feel sorry for him and try to help him. We can’t have the attitude of “Let him rot in jail for breaking the law.”
My point was something totally different. It was, Chevra, we have to obey the law and not think that because we are Jewish, Chassidim, Lubavitchers or whatever we don’t have to live a straight life.
As I said, it is legal to purchase insurance.
It is legal to have a drivers license, etc.
We should not have the attitude that we ignore the laws of the land and will depend either on the rachmonus of people or some kind of scam if push comes to shove.
It is legal to do things the right way.
Information
as a person who has and is going through the immagration system legally, and have spent a few thousand dollars already, dont judge untill you personally have had to do it. Because it is not as simple as it sounds.
Frustrated watching a Chillul Hashem
To dtw:
You are absolutely correct that it is easy to forget and there are kids in Yeshivas all over the world in that same position.
However, their parents have to realize that this stuff is serious and needs to be taken care of. It can’t be brushed off.
Yes, people forget. But they have to try to remember…otherwise, the government can get you in trouble. That is point I have tried to make.
Please don’t confuse that with whether or not we should show Rachmonus to the poor guy in jail.
Ahavas Yisrael
The Mitzva of “PIDYON SHVUYIM” goes before any other Tzedaka
Regarding someone who PURPOSELY gets arrested:
its stated clear “Shulchan Aruch” (hilchos Halvaa)
“Kol Klal Yisrael Me-tzuvin Lif-doso”
How much more so in this case
COME ON!
DON’T YOU THINK THAT HE KNOWS BY NOW THAT THERE WERE THINGS HE SHOULD’VE DONE- PAST TENSE.
AS OF NOW, WHY DON’T YOU NOT MAKE A MISTAKE AND SAY TEHILLIM. THE POOR FAMILY!
NOT sitting bet two chairs
to all of you;
it is a CLEAR law – halacha that when a jew is in jail – do ALL you can to get him out! not sit in judgmen
Ryvka
It’s absolutely crazy to see how the american culture of being legal, the pride of belonging to the american country has gotten so deep in our community!!!
It reminds me of the illegal polish or german jews who went to France illegally in the 30’s, and the french jews thought it was normal that they would be deported, since they were illegal!
Are you out of your mind to say such things on a yid??? He is on a moment of judgment Mishamyim, the only thing he needs is our tefilos and support, not our accusations!!!! For that there is the court, unfortunately…
A DECENT HUMAN BEING
One thing I will never be able to understand is that when a person who KILLS or BEATS someone, which is against the law and a person who simply didn’t fill out his paper work (Which is also against the law) can be treated the same way.
One is a criminal/violent person.
The other one broke the law but is a pretty much decent person but gets treated the same way.
For example one did tax invasion, the other is a Cold-blooded person, but gets treated the same way.
A DECENT HUMAN BEING
AND if you ask me what do you do to a person who breaks the law in any way whether it is a violent/criminal way or just didn’t pay his fees (taxes or parking ticket).There are other ways to punish him/her then to just throw him into a cell, throw away the key, tie his hands up and put him into a orange jumpsuit.
SHAME ON YOU UNCLE SAM, AND CITIZENS FOR THE INJUSTICE.
Hopefully one day we will realize our mistakes.
practise what you preach
to “Just Wondering” and everyone of the same opinion, nobody is perfect in fact i’d venture to say that you’re also not perfect. so before you judge another jew, have a look inside yourself and see if you are the fitting role model you say everyone should be
Zalmie
After readling all these comments above, I just hope that the Rubashkins can get themselves( and all the people whose lives have been thrown into turmoil) out of this mess. Follow laws. Talk to all those who have been perhaps rightfully critical of the Agriprocessors,
Take care of the workers, Jewish and non-Jewish. And stop with the “who cares?” attitude that let this terrible situation develop. The Agriprocessors owe a lot. No more Chuilul Lubavitch.
concerned
HELLO PEOPLES!!!!!!!!!
WERE TALKING ABOUT A FELLOW JEW HERE.
WAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE WHAT HE TRANSGRESSED OR NOT… ITS NON OVER YOUR BUSINESS TO MAKE THAT DECISION. OUR JOB, IS TO SAY TEHILIM AND MAKE SURE HER GETS OUT QUICKLY, BEING IN THERE FOR ONE DAY ISNT ENOUGH, CANT WE CARE FOR OUR BROTHER, IF ANY NON-JEW WOULD LOOK AT THESE COMMENTS, ITS JUST A PURE CHILUL HASHEM WHAT YOU (LIKE JUST WONDERING) IS SAYING.
SINNAS CHINUM DESTROYED THE BAIS HAMIKDOSH, WHAT IS THIS? DOESNT LOOK LIKE AHAVAS YISROEL TO ME.
Hod Tamir
To: Just wondering.
I feel for you and your naiveté.
You obviously know very little about the immigration procedure, which makes it nearly impossible to obtain a visa in the post 9/11 America. I am a U.S. citizen and I appreciate our freedom and opportunity, however I also appreciate that many other countries do not have the luxury of making ends meet (even after working multiple jobs). I would not be careless or pompous enough to flaunt my advantages, by merely being born in this country, nor belittle another’s strife due to being born in a different country.
America is by definition a land of immigrants.America was a poor nation until it opened it’s doors in the late 19th century, and developed an immigrant workforce.
I believe that we must follows the laws of the land, but I also believe that “all people are created equal” and that means; if I have a right to live free so does everybody else. It would do you well to take a little ride to the Statue of Liberty and read the small plaque at her feet.
I would also appreciate a reply.
Zeldy
Dear Wondering,
You should look at yourself, judging a fine Jew like that! Others are looking at YOUR lack of rachmonus. Tsk! Tsk! How does one weigh THAT up compared to not having a visa and following the laws (an inyan of paper).
Bruce
I just read read all the comments above, and in my opinion you guys are both right! On one hand, People should be more creful in the future and take the visas and government more seriously in the future. And even though this is negligent on the part of the shochet. However, the BOTTOM LINE IS that he is in jail and ITS A BIG MITZVAH to release FELLOW JEWS from jail. nOW, AFTER THE FACT, lets ofrget about everything else but getting another jew out of jail!!!
Milhouse
Oh please. Keeping the laws of the country is NOT “top priority”, it’s just about the BOTTOM of the priority list. Some commenters here seem to believe that dina demalchusa dina is some kind of ikkar emuna, one would think at LEAST in the aseres hadibros, if not etched into the aron itself! It’s not. It’s an obscure memra in the gemara, whose reason and exact application is subject to wide-ranging speculation among the rishonim, and it’s certainly far less important than principles like ahavas YISROEL and pidyon shvuyim.
If he’s guilty of some technical violation of some paragraph in the immigration code, that’s between him and the government, but it shouldn’t concern us. We owe him our full support, and must do what we can to help him and to get him out of there – INCLUDING unterkeifen if that will help and otherwise breaking THE LAW if it’s necessary and useful to do so. That’s a mitzvah and a chiyuv.
very upset
to: just wondering if you dont have any nice comments to say please dont say themat all
this is so sad
i agree with FE
Talmidei reb Akiva
Why can we not learn from our own history? Have we forgotten what the Sefirah days are all about? Reading the above commentsyou can only conclude that while there are still Yidden that look at the positive, there are still those out there that will always find the negative and deem the cup half empty.
Has anyone stopped for just one second to find out if the media is reporting is true? is it 100% true? or maybe 80% true? or maybe even less then 50% true if even that.
And now to the real facts (and yes, do not just take my word on it, but please do not just rely on the media and do some research of your own).
1) METH LAB accusation – if the governmnet truly believed that the Kosher Meat Packing plant was only a front for a Meth lab as the Maariv had reported, then wht were there no DEA agents on site and why were there no drug sniffing dogs on site? who is kiddin’ whom? now how else can you fool a Judge to sign such a warrent without any outrageous accusations? Sinas Yisroel? you bet. Has there been even one single mention of drugs or drug related materials that were found during the Largest raid in US history?
2) GUNs AND AMMUNITION read the above. have any guns or ammunitions been purpoted to have been found during the raid? the answer is NO! Lo yonum v’lo yishon shomer yisroel! because we all no their abilities and what stopped them from planting any such evidence obly Hashem knows.
3) PIDYON SHVUYIM – did anyone take the time to research what truly is the story about this Schochet that is still incarcerated? did anyone stop to ask that if the Rubahkin’s do not care about the law and their fellow yidden then why is it that from a whole plant with so many Shochtim and Mashgichim there is only one idividual person that has allegedly run afoul of the law? hardly an epidemic or a disregard of the law on the part of such a huge operating plant. The fact however is that he had legal papers for mamy years and his Lawyer (unfortunately Jewish) kept on taking mony from him for the several years but did absolutely nothing in having his visas extended and / or status changed! He was constantly told by this unscruplous Attorney that all is fine and in order when in fact he never did a thing!!! the problem is that the government is unfortunately very accustomed to such low life attorneys and therefore advise you to sue them but as far as they are concerned you did not abide by the law!! Hardly and argument to portray the Rubashkin’s or the Shochet of intentionally diregarding our laws.
Boruch Hashem that there are many yidden still out there that are doing everything they can to have him released and b’ezeas hashem they will succeed!
There is much more to comment, but for now let us all remember to not be so guliable and naive by digesting everything the media is feeding us.
US immigration messed up
i went through the green card process myself (married an american) and when i changed my address and sent a letter to the immigration, thier system didn’t process it.
i was lucky that i went through a lawyer, so when they sent me an appointment, my lawyer got it too and notified me.
when i went down for my appointmetn, they asked me to verify my address, and they had my old address! when i told them i had sent them the change of address form, they said, “oh yeah, we never get those…”
so a lesson we could learn from this, is go through a lawyer!
Amused
If you read the comments on the original article about the immigration bust, there were a lot of negative comments on illegal Mexican workers. Someone pointed out that Mexicans are not the only illegal immigrants in the country. Evan someone who over stays their visa can be considered illegal. The comments on the article were assuming that the illegals were Mexican— and some comments actively cheered on the government for stepping in and sending them back regardless that these individuals had families etc.
The comments on this article bring about a very different response. So yes, in this case he’s Jewish. Yes you’re not supposed to leave a Jew in jail. And yes, this poor man’s family. But what about the families of the other men (and women?) caught in the immigration bust?! People were so quick to say, “Send them back to their country.” Until it hit home. Like here.
*sigh* MAKE UP YOUR MINDS!!!!
not an American - and understanding
To anyone who is AMERICAN and doesn’t realize how HARD it is to get a visa more than 5 years – being able to stay in this country is not easy at all – I myself have had a visa for almost 5 years, applied recently for a green card so i could stay, and now realize i can’t stay until i get the green card (and by the way, getting a green card is a crazy thing in itself) – so I, together with other foreigners, do not want to have to leave the country – but am stuck – because if i do stay here, i could get in the same trouble. but to know that i’d have to leave and not be able to come back for about 4 yrs – when my whole life is here????
DON’T JUDGE – these are not easy decisions.
bacure from O. T. 73---76
hey guys kool and dont loose it….
there are a lot of goyiem who look at this site ,and also comment .. so maybe some of u who are getting angery , u guys are talking to ruthless gentiles
Levijake
Hashem Yerachem
Berry
Millhouse
Dina demalchusa is an ‘obscure’ memra in the gemora????
It’s no more obscure than cholov akum, both ossur medrabonon.Dina demalchusa breaking has an additional stringency of chilul Hashem.
The schochet needs our teffilos, but let’s no start with silly apologetics.This company has been getting us terrible press for years.It’s time they be a bit more machmir on dina demalchusa something that”ll save them lots of money, in the long run and save us yidden a lot of ‘bushas and cherpas’
Ex Postville resident
I did not read the Ma’ariv but I read the Des Moines Register and a lot of other Iowa news sites and no one said Agriprocessors was a front for a Meth Lab or that Guns and Ammunition where at the plant.
Wat it said was that some Employees where running a Drug & Meth shop there. When you own a slaughterhouse where 600 or more of your employees have no outlook of going anywhere but maybe make another dollar an hour you will for sure have a bunch of these people get into drugs. These people have no papers so their changes of a better life in Iowa are not very great.
It was reported that some employees took weapons to work. Weapons can be anything. It could also be knives. They where working in a slaughterhouse and didn’t have to go far to get hold of weapons of that kind.
taken from another site
By Eli D.
Many people are questioning the “Kosher” status of issues brought to light in the recent Immigration Raid in Agriprocessors. More than any of these issues, it is unKosher to assume guilt when an accusation is made. This is a cornerstone of justice – presume innocence until guilt is proven…
This is definitely the case when the accusations that have been made are based on sources which contradict themselves and each other throughout the affidavit, display shocking ignorance of the plant and its operation, and make claims based on hearsay that stretch the limits of belief. Two small examples of this:
Someone claiming to be an employee and identified as Source #11 speaks about turkey processing operations, which take place on the south side of the tracks that run by the plant. He was shown a map and identified a number of buildings as being where the turkey production takes place. He knows this because he has friends that work there. The same claim is made by Source #7, who was also shown a map and identified a number of buildings on the south side of the tracks as being used in turkey processing.
nebachs
A few years back Rabbi Tal Ginter was issued a “Green Card”, as required by law when one moves, he submitted a change of address to the immigration office and then moved to Morristown N.J. to study at Y.T.T.L. it was revealed now however that the immigration office kept sending his mail to an old address.
Until he was taken away by the I.C.E.(Immigration and Customs Enforcements) Rabbi Tal Ginter had no idea that in the meantime they revoked his green card, since he did not show up for his appointment (Gov. sent it to old address) and they went ahead and passed a Deportation judgment against him.
Even government officials here agree that Rabbi Tal Ginter should be allowed to go free, but the law says that since he has a judgment against him, the only one who is able to revoke it, is the original judge, and that can Chas V’Sholom take a long time, so basically they want him to stay R”L in prison because of their mistakes.
This is why we ask everyone to please say Tehilim and give extra Tzedokoh for Tal Ben Sarah, the community has also been in contact with many head Shluchim and L’Havdil Senators and Congress people and other great Askonim on his behalf, so we can get his case moving quickly so he can go back to his loving family.
Please feel free to come up with any suggestion and email them to: gs770@hotmail.com
anonymous
here is another person in iowa in jail what is up with them maybe they are really antisemetic they are looking for it i heard there are alot of neo-nazi protests there