- CrownHeights.info – Chabad News, Crown Heights News, Lubavitch News - https://crownheights.info -

Chabad Leadership Gearing Up To Take On Messianists

Steven I. Weiss – The Jewish Chronicle
R. Shemtov & R. Krinsky. Photo: Osher Litzman.

While last week’s 770 decision passed without much comment, the leadership of the movement as embodied by its central organization — Agudas Chasidei Chabad — sees it as a watershed moment allowing it to take on the messianists in the sect with a move they’ve long been hoping for. For them, this isn’t just about the right to keep a cornerstone plaque referring to the late Rebbe as “of blessed memory.”

Rabbi Avraham Shemtov, chairman of the executive committee of Agudas, said in a phone interview yesterday that “There are many things that we have refrained from doing in order to avoid confrontation and in order to avoid unnecessary conflict,” and that now, with the legal decision in hand, they will endeavor to restrict “the access and the over-excessive access by individuals whose beliefs and whose conduct is completely foreign to the Lubavitch movement,” referring to the messianists who’ve been occupying 770.

Responding to the common assumption that the reason why the messianist element within 770 has remained is because of political considerations or a lack of desire to see it gone, Shemtov said “That is completely incorrect; the desire has always been there, but there were considerations that could not have been avoided” before the ruling. Now, he said, Agudas is “weighing the immediate steps to implement the permissions that come with it.”

So, what will 770 look like six months or two years down the line? “770 will look as it should, reflecting the beliefs and the direction of Lubavitch which is all-inclusive, a place for everybody to feel at home and to feel inspired to conduct themselves as a Jew and a Yid should…I think that we are concerned about the prevailing atmosphere and spirit which would be in accordance with the Rebbe’s teaching, and if [the messianist signs are] an impediment, of course” they’d be removed. Shemtov generally sought to downplay the significance of the signs as merely “symbols” and to assert that the more important effort is addressing the messianism itself and the presence and tactics of the messianists within 770, saying “symbols are very important, don’t misunderstand me, but what is more important is what those symbols reflect and what they represent, and why they’re still there.”

As to the signs, “I don’t think they have ever reflected what 770 stands for,” he said, noting “look, Lubavitch went through a very difficult period, and turmoil, and what you are seeing now is the settling of the dust, and people begin to realize what are we really there for.”

We then got into the question of how many messianists there are. I mentioned that I’ve been having an e-mail dialogue with David Berger after he responded negatively to my writing in an article on Matisyahu that messianists are a “fringe group,” with Berger claiming that messianists are actually a majority of the movement.

So, how many messianists does Shemtov think are a part of Lubavitch? “None…how can you justify classifying somebody who is perceived as subscribing to something which is so foreign and consider them part of the movement?” He said messianists are “a loud minority of a minority” and that, further, “I believe that no one has ever come across anyone who is authorized to be a shliach and carry that badge of honor that would in any way imply any of these beliefs, period.”

But what about the statement from Russian shlichim that Berger cites in his book? “I don’t know specifically what you’re referring to, but I can’t believe that such a statement would come out and would not be censured…because it’s the opposite of what we stand for.” This would seem to be worth more discussion and analysis.
So, what specific strategies can we expect to see from the leadership to remove messianists? “It is now in the discussion stages.”

Is the entirety of the Agudas board of the same attitude as Shemtov toward removing the messianists? While Shemtov says they’ve yet to discuss it in light of the decision, “I imagine it’s more or less with the thinking of Agudas Chasidei Chabad.”

Comments Disabled (Open | Close)

Comments Disabled To "Chabad Leadership Gearing Up To Take On Messianists"

#1 Comment By Attorney On March 23, 2006 @ 9:33 am

The decision only says they’re the landlord who can control what plaque goes on the outside of the building. The tenant, Congregation Lubavitch, can still decide what is done inside the synagogue premises occupied by the tenant.

#2 Comment By jas On March 23, 2006 @ 9:50 am

i hope avremel does something finnaly

#3 Comment By so sad On March 23, 2006 @ 4:47 am

so sad

#4 Comment By anti On March 23, 2006 @ 8:18 am

take down the signs! have security guards make sure no flags are brought in! and after davening during the weekday have some nigun blaring on the shul speakers to interrupt the yechi singing!!!

#5 Comment By Rabbi Groner On March 23, 2006 @ 9:25 am

This is great news! Finally they are getting their act together and making chabad unite!

#6 Comment By Berl On March 23, 2006 @ 10:11 am

Rabbi Shemtov! We hope you put your words into action and bring back 770 to it’s glory.

#7 Comment By Learning UPSTAIRS in 770 On March 23, 2006 @ 10:24 am

Good move Rabbi Shemtov!!!
Air our dirty Laundry in public,
Put yourself against the wall with a public statment that "somthing will be done"
"there are no "messianists" in lubavitch" thats funny i guess old people somtimes forget things.
"no shliach……badge of honur……" again so forgetfull but even if it was true it would be becouse shluchim that were sent by the Rebbe were "kicked out" from being "officeal" shluchim if they were to load against the party line
this is going to be a fun one to watch

#8 Comment By Eighth Gernerationist -sic On March 23, 2006 @ 10:52 am

I wonder who Shemtov wil choose as the new Rebbe? I am sure it will be someone who is "all-inclusive", a person whom everybody will "feel at home" with and who will inspire them "to conduct themselves as a Jew and a Yid should".

#9 Comment By MFH On March 23, 2006 @ 11:30 am

Let’s just hope for the best. AGUCH is known to kratz, especially when it comes to such a tough decision, in which 65 percent of lubavitch will always be againt them, no matter what step they will take.

#10 Comment By Ben Shliach On March 23, 2006 @ 11:38 am

I am an outsider in the community, yet I am a ben-shliach and I feel that that "badge wearing" status should mean something, but in light of R. Shemtovs statements, it does not. Are shluchim now not allowed to have an opinion? Are we not all supposed to think that the Rebbe is the Moshiach of our generation. It is ludicrius to think otherwise and beconsidered a chossid. I agree that the 770 situation is crazy, but the real reason anyone goes there is to talk, and if you would instead put a guidelines in making the shul a real shul, and with the feel of a shul, than the whole situation wouldn’t be so serious. What are we, as Yidden, so driven to kick the other one out. I cannot understand why we are so focused on being louder and brighter thatn the other.

There is only one question that matters – WHAT DID YOU DO TO BEING MOSHIACH NOW??

#11 Comment By Didan Notzach On March 23, 2006 @ 11:32 am

Attorney you dont know what your talking about.
Read the psak thru again. the psak din gives full control of the building and that which goes on within it to AGU"CH

#12 Comment By Attorney Insider On March 23, 2006 @ 12:14 pm

I guarantee that Avremel and Yudel will never take any steps to take over the Shull. Its is common knowledge that Originally, in the court papers they claimed to be in charge of the Shull and they WITHDREW that claim the last moment based on their Legal Council who advised them that they could never win that and that it would therefore backfire on them.

Besides, you don’t need to be an attorney to know that just because someone is established as the "Landlord" or owner of a building, doesn’t grant him access to the "Tenants" premises AT ALL – WHATSOEVER. Not until after the Tennant is evicted if ever.

That would require going to Court to ask for an Eviction which Avremel and Yudel could never do. Just imagine the wonderful press Yudel will get for Lubavitch, by just "asking" for an Eviction to Evict a SHULL and all it’s Mispalelim, not unlike the Eviction form Gush Katif, Spain, Russia and Natzi Germany.

#13 Comment By 1234 On March 23, 2006 @ 1:02 pm

To attorney insider

Please, please stop posting your ludicrous dribble. You sound like a buffoon.

Just read the clear and divisive ruling of the court.

#14 Comment By Ani Crise Anti Mishichist… On March 23, 2006 @ 2:19 pm

There is a time and place to talk about Moshiach and Achdus. It takes two to come together and make peace.
There is only one Rebbe and one Chabad anybody trying to challenge them, is not looking for peace (maybe a "peace" of the pie).
We’ve seen who’s who in the last 10 years, and making peach with the Mishichstim is to give up everything (let’s see how fast you’ll give your house, your car for the sake of peace…someone move in to your house and says give me half, you get the point).
Who are you? Were do you come from?

When there’s a problem, you take care of the problem- with action, please everybody with the Devar Torah’s And Farbragens, Achdus and Moshiach, go to Bais Moshiach Magazine.
If I have a flat tire I’m not interested in a Speech (why not this, why this, this guy that guy) if you can help and fix the problem good, if you can’t don’t make buzzing sounds in my ear.

#15 Comment By Here is Justice… On March 23, 2006 @ 1:58 pm

About the Mishichistem, Dovid Hamelech wrote a very long time ago:
Yes, they are not part of Chabad.

10) "For forty years I quarreled with that generation; and I said, "They are a people of erring hearts, they do not know My ways." (11) So I vowed in My anger that they would not enter My resting place.

(Tihilhim 95.)

"They don’t belong in chabad, they don’t belong in 770,
they sould go start there own thing somewere else.

One mistake that we as Chabad-Lubavithce make,
is puting them in our precent (they are only 2% or even 50%)
NO They are Zero Precent Of Chabad, they could be 1.00000 going strong, but they are not chabad."

I Repeat:
One thing I can’t understand as a privet person,
Is that every court case or battle the mishichstem had they lost. Now, I know that in my life if thing are not going well, I make a Chesbon Nefesh and see what I can do better (or g-d forbid maybe I’m not doing something right) And fix it. And here again and again one loses after another (people losing every thing they have -who I most say are being used- even people dyeing) and they ignore it, causing more people to suffer.
How hate keeps these people going…
But like history, people forget (or they want to forget).
From what I see, is that the Bocherim or the fighters that are here now don’t know the history that was before them [and those that do know and encourage them to go on, simply lie to them about the past like every thing else.]
If you don’t know were you come from, how do you know were your going?
Until the instigators are thrown out of Chabad/770 , It will be like trying to kill a snake by it’s tale, you have to go for the head!

All these years They had the 770 and we could only stand, watch and talk about it.
Now Chabad-Lubavitch has gotten back it’s home, and they can Stand, sit, Scream, talk, write… do what you want it’s a free Country (just not in my home).

#16 Comment By anonomous On March 23, 2006 @ 1:12 pm

Response to "Anti"

Take down signs? No flags? No Yechi in 770?!! First of all if you have a problem with it daven somewere else. There are plently of shuls to daven in crown heights. Let me tell you something!! (Abt. myself) I was b"h resently married. My wedding was scheduled to take place in New Orleans, my home town. Due to the devistation Katrina caused my wedding place was moved to Crown Heights. ( 2 make a long story short) Although I kept it to myself, I was worried that my wedding would not have been the wedding of my dreams, with all of my close friends celebrating with me. It turns out that many people from New Orleans were able to attend. (due to a kind anonomous donation.) Thanks to all of my friends being able to be with me and yes, with bochurim waving those beautiful Moshiach flags and yechi being played, and sung my wedding turned out to be unforgettable, beautiful and might I add laibedik.
It would be very kind of you to not to post any more hateful and hurtful coments in the future.

#17 Comment By Chanina On March 23, 2006 @ 2:24 pm

Dear Attorney and Attorney Insider: are you really lawyers? Read the court decision carefully and learn NYS property law:

It os overly generous to equate the Gabboim Shul as a holdover tenant- they never had a lease. The Gabboim Shul is a legal squatter, over which the landlord owner can evict them. Credit Merkos and Aguch for a take-it-slow approach.

Eventually, the signs will go down and the Gabboim shul, which is a separate legal entity as a not-for-profit corporation, can still exist, but elsewhere. Perhaps the money men who wanted to expand 770 (but clearly now do not have a feather to stand on) can build a Yechi shul on a vacant lot someplace else.

The kinderlach from Tsfat will either behave or begone, no more dollars, the shul will return to it’s glory.

Judge Harkavy penned a pretty tight decision, unlikely to be changed on appeal. Again, credit Merkos and Aguch for their restraint: they could have had a real Didan Notzach last week, but with the shul, they will enjoy a stronger victory on their watch, not the ctemporary congregations.

#18 Comment By RebYid On March 23, 2006 @ 2:27 pm

Please please restore the rebbe’s ZT"L shul to it’s glory!!!

It has been too long in comming….

I agree, take down the signs, throw the heretics out!

Ben Shliach: since when is it a requirement for a chosid to belive that the rebbe is moshicah?

#19 Comment By chabad On March 23, 2006 @ 2:25 pm

Attorney Insider, Just wait and see baby meshichisten are coming down!!!! it will only be a matter of months!

#20 Comment By Berl On March 23, 2006 @ 2:48 pm

To Ben Shliach: The issue here isb not if the Rebbe is Moshiach or not. The Rebbe said and wrote clearly that he is tottaly opposed to gooing around saying so. Espescialy the new wackos in town (From Tzfas) who terrioze pepole in the name of ALLA (I mean "Moshiach),surely have no place in Lubavitch.

#21 Comment By MOSHE On March 23, 2006 @ 2:45 pm

REMENBER THE MISNAGTIM CALLED US CHASSIDIM
SO TO NOW THE "ANTI MISHICHISTS" CALL THOSE WHO BELIVE THE WORDS OF THE REBBE "MISHICISTS"
THANK YOU

#22 Comment By DA On March 23, 2006 @ 2:44 pm

It would be a most beautiful scene, if in the name of Chabad. They will evict the people who need to be institutenlized, it is an unfortunate responsibilty brought upon us. Because of your personal agendas.

#23 Comment By MOSHE On March 23, 2006 @ 2:41 pm

SHEMRAY WAS ALWAYS FIGHTING THE REBBE, AS BY "MI HU YEHUDI" & HE IS NOW CONTINUING TO FIGHT AGAINST THE REBBE’s CLEAR WORDS ABOUT MOSHIACH

#24 Comment By mother in CH On March 23, 2006 @ 2:37 pm

TO ANTI:

Not only are you anti yechi but you’re anti 770? No one needs you there if you feel the way you do!

#25 Comment By sence On March 23, 2006 @ 1:40 pm

Ben Shliach is DA BOMB!!!! love your comment…..and let’s get things straight that whoever doesn’t believe that the Rebbe is moshiach is NOT a chossid. I actually am felling a little pathetic now…..thinking to myself how come we have to write such things…..as if there is any type of hava amina that the rebbe isn’t moshiach??!!! anyways the Rebbe himself says so in a sicha in a ha’arah. EVERYONE THAT IS A CHOSSID BELEIVES THE REBBE IS MOSHIACH AND IF YOU DON’T BELIEVE THEN YOU ARE NOT A CHOSSID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! does anyone care to argue?? i hope not

#26 Comment By middle guy On March 23, 2006 @ 1:43 pm

look everyone agrees that the rebbe is moshiach including shemtov look how he talks he never says the rebbe is not he even says the signs is good

the questions is just how to make it public shemtov and most of lubavitch says keep it to urself but a few in 770 say thats the mission to amke sure every person jew or not should know that the rebbe is moshiach

so i have to agree with rabbi shemtov on this issue and i think 99 percent of lubavitch agree that 770 is out of control

#27 Comment By Here Is Justice… On March 23, 2006 @ 1:46 pm

There seems to be so much talk about "Tenents",
Don’t Tenents Pay rent?

#28 Comment By Mayven On March 23, 2006 @ 3:19 pm

HISTORY REWRITE
Just how many people remember WHO EXACTLY put up the first signs on 770s walls in the first place?

It was the Wilhelms and the Shmotkins, big lefties now and affiliates of Shemtov.

We have them to thank for this uncontollable mess.

#29 Comment By crown heightser On March 23, 2006 @ 6:40 pm

ALL YOU YECHIS OUT THERE LEAVE YOUR TRUMPETS, AND COSTUMES AT HOME BEFORE YOU GO DAVEN AT THE REBBES SHUL!!!!

#30 Comment By mendy On March 23, 2006 @ 6:17 pm

no one has a right to say ..who is part of chabad or who is a chosid or not . follow what the reba said after all the farbrengens ..mitzva ahvath yisroal that was the most importen .. i hope a. shem -tov does not do any thing stupid to embares the rebba and the name of chabad. keep the peace in 770

#31 Comment By Lubavitch Doctor On March 23, 2006 @ 3:53 pm

Taking the signs down will only cause more Machloikes

but I do agree with "Here is Justice… wrote:"
regarding the Mishichistem, "They don’t belong in chabad, they don’t belong in 770"

Above all achdus is imperative

We need to strike a balance between the two and think for a moment what the rebbe would say of our activities

#32 Comment By MOSHE On March 23, 2006 @ 3:26 pm

IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA IF EVERYBODY WHO HAS ANY DOUBTS IN THE WORDS OF THE REBBE WOULD STUDY CAREFULLY THE STORY OF THE "EGEL" IN LAST WEES"S PARSHA, WHERE WE SEE THAT THE "SOTON WAS ALLOWED TO BRING THE YIDDIN TO A STATE OF CONFUSION, AND EVEN WAS ABLE TO SHOW AN IMAGE OF MOSHE FLOATING THROUGH THE SKY (AS IF HE HAD DIED) SO TOO TODAY THIS IS BEING REPLAYED BECAUSE OF THE DOUBTS SOME OF US HAVE IN THE NEVUAH OF THE REBBE

#33 Comment By Mrs. Plony On March 23, 2006 @ 8:40 pm

Whenever I put a letter in the igros asking if I should say yechi or about friends opposed to saying yechi, the answer always was to have ahavas Yisroel.

#34 Comment By Truth stays the same On March 23, 2006 @ 7:52 pm

Ther Rebbe never wanted spokes-people who lie for PR.
R’ Shemtov, please, if you would like to lie, dont do it in the name of the Rebbe.
FACT is: a solid majority of Lubavitchers are what you would call Mishichistim (not to confuse with Tzfatim).
FACE IT, you can win the people. you COULD win against the Tzfatim but you cant win against Moshiach.

#35 Comment By Take down the Yechi sign On March 23, 2006 @ 3:22 pm

Finally 770 wil return to the Rebbe. I feel that every time Yechi is said in 770 it re-enforces the Mishchist philosophy of hefkiros and chilul Hashem.
The Yechi signs shall be taken down!

#36 Comment By emes On March 23, 2006 @ 2:35 pm

I don’t think that Yudel and Avremel want to rehash the whole Tzavoah issue again. They don’t want to bring up the fact that they were Mesurav to a Zabl"a etc. So I think that for now they will let it stay the wat it is.

#37 Comment By hi On March 23, 2006 @ 7:37 pm

yow i hope one day 770 will be normal and i can daven without being bothered by the meshichists singing and dancing

does any one know if they are planing on c”v getting a new rebbe

#38 Comment By Moish On March 23, 2006 @ 2:43 pm

OK guys, so just lets close our eyes and think that there aren’t any meshichistim. WOW, there you go it’s magic they’re all gone! (This is what Rabbi Shemtov is saying). And the remark about no meshichist shlichim it’s so not true. Basically everything he says is far from the truth but again can’t expect any yiras shamayim from the people who get their power fron the kelipah of a gentile court that rules according to basar vedam. I disagree with all the meshugas like the resucitated "Sunday dollars" etc, but to say the meshichistim aren’t Chabad Chassidim! Who does he think he is? By the way they did win the case by genevas daas fo the goyishe court. It’s well known that Agu"Ch was founded only as a paper entity to hold realstate on trust for all the chassidim and that it was revived only to fight Barry in court when he took the seforim. Never did the Rebbe intend for Aguch to arrogate the privilege to speak for all Chassidim the way they are doing, much less come and say who’s a chosid and who isn’t. Sad that the anti-s are blinded by hatred and that the ultra-crazy tzefatim and the people behind them are so blinded by their meshugas. The truth is one: The Rebbe said this is the last generation of golus and the first one of the Geula, that the Nassi of the generation is the moshiach of the generation and he’ll take us out of golus and that we should learn the Likkutei Sichos of the Nassi of the generation. It’s clear the Rebbe said it. If you don’t believe in what the Rebbe said may be you’re the one who’s not a chossid!

#39 Comment By mendy On March 23, 2006 @ 6:02 pm

no one has a right to say ..who is part of chabad or who is a chosid or not . follow what the reba said after all the farbrengens ..mitzva ahvath yisroal that was the most importen .. i hope a. shem -tov does not do any thing stupid to embares the rebba and the name of chabad. keep the peace in 770

#40 Comment By STRONG HASID On March 23, 2006 @ 1:11 pm

TAKE THE SIGNS DOWN !!!
THOSE SIGNS DO NOTHING TO BRING MOSHIACH
THEY ALIENATE PEOPLE
IF THE SIGNS STAY…. THE JOKE THAT "LUBAVITCH IS THE CLOSEST RELIGION NEXT TO JUDAISM" IS NOT FAR FROM THE TRUTH

#41 Comment By Bring Moshiach Now!!! On March 23, 2006 @ 6:10 pm

OMG You people are all extremely sick!!! Do you have nothing better to do with your lives than sit here and talk about other yidden?
The Rebbe’s message was to bring Moshiach and not one of you who can sit and talk like this are helping!!!!

Ben Shliach is right, instead of sitting online all day arguing with your fellow yidden go out and do something to being Moshiach NOW!!!!!!!

#42 Comment By david On March 23, 2006 @ 1:17 pm

What absolute nonsence shemtov writes… perhaps he wants to become the next rebbe… get a life! Live and let live! don’t plan ethnic cleansing and ways to cause even more machlokeis, it ain’t gonna work and while you’re at it, how about leave your dirty laundry for someone in aguch to do!

#43 Comment By TAKE DOWN THE YECHI SIGN On March 23, 2006 @ 9:05 pm

770 IS NOT A HOCKEY STADIUM!!! TAKE DOWN THE YECHI SIGN!!!

#44 Comment By Anti Crise- Anti Mishichist-Terrorist On March 23, 2006 @ 9:57 pm

I wonder about all these peoples talking against Rabbi Krinsky and Acuch/Merkaz/Rebbe, Where were you or your fathers 12 years ago when Certain people (who have long done Tisuva and ask for Michela In public) went on a campaign against The Rebbe/Aguch (what, for some reason every body seems to be calling “kirnsky”), Did you or your father sign those letters?
Did you have the Guts to do what you call "the right thing"?
Did you come out then to speak "the truth"?
Did you then get up on the Bimah and make a Micha?
Did your so called “Most of Lubavithch” come out against them?
Did you throw those so called “liars”, “killers”, Power Hungry”, PR masters (whatever else you may come up with) out of The “Rebbes”* Shul? {*these people were against the Rebbe- some even said that they may have G-d forbid killed the Rebbe) Again, Where were you?
12 years latter you wake up, write something on the Internet with out a name, what courage, what Heskashrush (where can I get some of that?)
All you bluffs, phonies, standing in the back round letting other people do your dirty work and when there done you disregard then like the people you had them disregard, shame on you all (mishichistim).
Writing leis like they are facts!
BRING PROFF (don’t just say you can, DI IT!!)

If you are going to say things like…
" It’s well known that Agu"Ch was founded only as a paper entity to hold real state on trust for all the Chassidim and that it was revived only to fight Barry in court when he took the seforim. Never did the Rebbe intend for Aguch to arrogate the privilege to speak for all”
ETC… And all those types of lies.
BRING PROOF!!!
Like I heard once from a friend,
DID YOU SEE, OR DID YOU HEAR?

FACT IS the Rebbe Passed away, the Rebbe Is not Moshiach (I hope I’m Wrong, when he comes I’ll Find out) The Rebbe left these people to be in charge, and guess what? I still Have A Rebbe, I have no doubts, I can still go to the Rebbe,
Ohel Chabad Lubavitch
226-20 Francis Lewis Boulevard, Cambria Heights, NY 11411

I can still be inspired to be a good Jew and do the right thing.

{Like Moshe wrote above and I quote…
"STUDY CAREFULLY THE STORY OF THE "EGEL" IN LAST WEES"S PARSHA, WHERE WE SEE THAT THE "SOTON WAS ALLOWED TO BRING THE YIDDIN TO A STATE OF CONFUSION, AND EVEN WAS ABLE TO SHOW AN IMAGE OF MOSHE FLOATING THROUGH THE SKY (AS IF HE HAD DIED) SO TOO TODAY THIS IS BEING REPLAYED"

Who’s are the ones dancing around a make believe Messiah?
Who are the ones that believe that if the Rebbe Passed away (and he did) he is not The REBBE (I can’t find any words to describe what the Rebbe would be to them if he wasn’t what they want him to be)?
Who are those that will throw stones on moshiach if he’s not the Rebbe?
Who are those that ripe up the Rebbes Torah?}

NOTE: from the writer if and if you have what to answer ,you most answer on every thing that I wrote, and none of that I heard from a friend.
And also before you write, do yourslf and every body else a faver and read all the post (you may be repeating.) You can read other opinons it won’t kill you.

#45 Comment By tate ziser… On March 23, 2006 @ 10:08 pm

oy tate ziser… hob rachmonus… seh pzuroh yisroel… so many confused people… so much silliniess… how did this generation end up with so many ‘fantaziyes’?…..

You know guys, the source of all "krumkeit" and twisted perspectives comes from a lack of being thorough…

Comments are spat out without much thought, assumptions, conclusions, announcements, are shouted from the rooftops with with even less…

Weren’t you taught in Cheder to use "a bisele seichel?"

So much narishkeit! such absurdities and foolishness… WHERE are your brains my friends…??

Do you really expect 770 to be a total free for all?

Do you really think all the insanity and ugly scenes that that have taken place there should be shoved under the carpet and disregarded because "770 belongs to all chassidim" – even the crazy ones?

Would YOU, my dear friend, have entrusted your OWN home to "all chassidim", as well as the meshugoyim? why after all, your home is a Bais Chabad, and anybody and everybody is welcome,

If the answer is in the affirmative, please crawl back under the bench and have another shot of smirnoff…

– So why would the Rebbe entrust HIS home to "all chassidim"? should there be no authority whatsoever? should 770 remain the jungle that it is? should a wild, disheveled group of fundamentalist youth be allowed to buly, harass and tyrannize the people who’ve come to daven in 770 light years before they knew their hebrew name? should a brand new religion parading around under the facade of "Chabad" be allowed to exploit the Rebbe’s shul to further its false and futile beliefs?

#46 Comment By READ THE SICHOS On March 23, 2006 @ 10:09 pm

terrible news. all u clsoet mishechistim, come out of you box! the rebbe IS moshiach, the rebbe IS alive, and nothing has changed. its our gashmius eyes that cant see the rebbe. the rebbe said in a sicha that there will be no geniza for the nassi. hallo, wake up!

#47 Comment By Good Joke On March 23, 2006 @ 10:08 pm

Boy! this forum is one of the funniest i have ever seen!
I am getting a good kick out of it. Especially the comment that the radical extreme Tzfatim should leave their costumes at home! LOL!!!!

#48 Comment By It-s all mine… yes, all of it! On March 23, 2006 @ 10:45 pm

Anti Crise- Anti Mishichist-Terrorist.
tate ziser..

Thank you for saying it the way it is.
Let’s see how fast they will let ‘all of those Chassidim in to there homes"?

[In fact there’s a nice car a cross the street, I’ll put a Yellow flag on it, dance around it and it will be mine,
And if the owner Challenges me I will Scream Acduch, We should all be one, Live and let live, Don’t take away from another Jew, Me Who Chassid Ha’omer Sheli Sleuch, Sheluch- Sheuch. Whi is a Chossid? One who says, what is mine is yours and what is your is yours. Don’t you see that car and maybe that house (why not) is mine!
So, when you wake up in the morning and you see a yellow flag on your property, remember it’s mine.

#49 Comment By speak the truth… only one truth On March 23, 2006 @ 10:54 pm

to read the Sichos

I Challenge you to print this Sicho on line (if you tell me that you have the Sicho-in its Entirety I may be able to put it on line).

Maybe even you can Translate the whole thing right now (you seem to know it in side out, you seem so sure of your self).

Tell me, what does a person like you do if He was showen that he made a mistake?
Do you stop Bileaving?
Does the Rebbe become less in your eyes?
If you find out that YOUR so called MH"M Rebbe Has passed on, will you stop having faith in him?

#50 Comment By a shliach On March 23, 2006 @ 11:19 pm

so when will the Yudel vs. Avremel / Kotlarsky vs. Shemtov / Aguch USA vs. Aguch Israel / Aguch Ledigeris vs. Zev Katz … when will all these diputes be resolved? Before or after a new 770 is formed? Or will we have a new conflict to go back to court and fight…
CHILDREN… GET A LIFE… GET A JOB… DO SOMETHING REAL WITH YOUR LIFE!!!

#51 Comment By RebYid On March 24, 2006 @ 12:26 am

WOW…..

what an amazing exchange!!! intresting to note that there are more posts begging for the signs to come down and the Rebbe ZT"L’s Shul to be restored , then there are Messianic posts.. (how’s that for a read on what Percentages in Lubavitch are "pro" or "anti").

enjoying this immensly

#52 Comment By Chaim On March 24, 2006 @ 12:50 am

Mayven wrote
"HISTORY REWRITE
Just how many people remember WHO EXACTLY put up the first signs on 770s walls in the first place?

It was the Wilhelms and the Shmotkins, big lefties now and affiliates of Shemtov.

We have them to thank for this uncontollable mess."

Dear Mayven,
What exactly is your point?
Is not blaming them for this mess also a history re-write?
Might that not be a little out of context?
Was not the Rebbe alive when they put up their signs?

And if, as I assume from your tone, you felt it was wrong back then (no Monday morning quartebacking), there is a wonderful institution in our religion called "Teshuva". And your labeling them as Lefties and "In Shemtov’s camp" proves that repentence has, indeed been rendered.

So, dear Mayven, what are we told about Baalei Teshuva and publicly reminding them of their sins?

Please be careful before you name names.

#53 Comment By Girush 770 Girush Gush Katif Style On March 24, 2006 @ 12:04 am

middle guy wrote:
->look everyone agrees that the rebbe is
->moshiach including shemtov look how
->he talks he never says the rebbe is not
->he even says the signs is good

->The questions is just how to make it
-> public shemtov and most of lubavitch
-> says keep it to urself

It’s so interesting that all these self rightouse people like Avremel and Yudel who think that only "THEY" know how to preserve the "Kovod of Lubavitch" – it is always THEM who go to the Press as – Avremel just did – and make the Bigest Chilul Hashem themsleves.

Now the same "THEM" are conspiring how to Top Off, their Chilul Hashem by conspiring to make a "Girush 770" !

Avremel and Yudel our 2 greatest PR experts!

Great work!

Keep it Up!

#54 Comment By someone trying to be a mishichist On March 23, 2006 @ 11:50 pm

"sence" wrote "EVERYONE THAT IS A CHOSSID BELEIVES THE REBBE IS MOSHIACH AND IF YOU DON’T BELIEVE THEN YOU ARE NOT A CHOSSID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! does anyone care to argue?? i hope not"

please bring volume and page number.

#55 Comment By Boruch Dayan HoEmes On March 23, 2006 @ 11:10 pm

Hashem hu hoElokim! Hashem hu hoElokim!
Boruch shem kevod malchuso le’olom voed!

Dear friends, there were many Tzadikim who could have been Moshiach had they and their generation only merited.

Hashem wanted to make Moshe Rabbeinu the Moshiach.
Hashem wanted to make Yehoshua bin Nun the Moshiach.
Hashem wanted to make Shaul the Moshiach.
Hashem wanted to make Dovid the Moshiach.
Hashem wanted to make Chizkiyohu the Moshiach.
Hashem wanted to make Bar Kochba the Moshiach.

In every generation He has someone in mind who could be the Moshiach, if only the Jewish people would merit the redemption.

Hashem wants this for us — hayom im b’kolo tishmo’u, today, if only we would listen to His voice; v’kolu kol hakeitim v’ain hadovor toloi ela b’teshuva — it depends on us, whether or not we return to Hashem with all our hearts!

It could very well be that in the Rebbe’s time Hashem wanted to make him the Moshiach, but unfortunately we did not merit this in his lifetime.

Lubavitchers must say “Boruch Dayan HoEmes,” “Blessed is G-d, the True Judge,” as all Jews do when confronted with the situation of having to bury a loved one whom Hashem took back from our midst.

If they do not say this brocha they simply are no longer entitled to be called "Yehudim," people who are modeh to Hashem. There is no clearer indication of "minus" than this.

Those who continue wearing and singing the kefirahdika "yechi" slogan do not belong in any Jewish shul or house of worship. They certainly do not belong in 770 — especially not in 770. Please get them out now! The chilum sheim shomayim has gone on for way, way, way too long. Enough already!

The Rebbe z”l was a wonderful Tzadik, just like the many other great Tzadikim since Moshe Rabbeinu who passed away, but he was mortal too. Those who do not accept this have no place in the Jewish religion.

Turn back to Hashem and pray to Him b"h, and to Him alone! Believe in Hashem, and do not believe in any man, no matter how great he may have been in your eyes.

Pay attention to the words of Tehilim (Psalm 146) that we say every day in our davening:

"Al tivt’chu bindivim, b’ven adom shein lo se’shuah, teitzye ruchu yoshuv l’admoso, bayom hahu avdu eshtonosav. Ashrei skail yaakov b’ezro, sivro al Hashem Elokov" –

"Do not trust in great people, in mortal man, for he cannot bring salvation. When his soul departs he returns to his earth, on that day his plans come to naught. Fortunate is he whose help is the G-d of Yaakov, whose hope rests upon Hashem his G-d."

Hashem hu hoElokim! Hashem hu hoElokim!
Boruch shem kevod malchuso le’olom voed!

#56 Comment By MOSHIACH NOW On March 24, 2006 @ 3:34 am

BH , 770 is going to be what it supposed to be, a place where all chassidim and mekuravim will love to daven
No signs, no corruption.. New times are coming for Lubavitch and now Moshiach will come.For sure that this is a step for the coming of Moshiach, hopefully is what will cause to tilt the Moznaim for the Geulah.
There r very few Meshichisten, everyone is faking trying to be a Chossid, they feel untimidated when they r told that if they do not believe that the Rebbe is alive, are Kofrim,against the navi,chv. We know that the Fr Rebbe sayd : do not fuul others, do not fool yourself’.The reality is that Moshiach will come, we r going to see who is going to be,the Rebbe is going to be the happiest ,we r going to see.In CH, many people call themselves Moshichisten , just for Shalom Bais, for Shalom Friends, for Shalom Mashpiim, because the teachers r pressed to teach Yechi, so the kids, etc. In reality is nothing.The Tzfatim, r most BT, extremists, brainwashed, they do not know what they r doing, they r thought that they r the greatest chassidim.People force themselves to say That the Rebbe is alive, they lie themselves , bc they r affraid.Think about for a moment:Is this what the Rebbe wants?Please, wake up,u r going to see that ther is a lot to do, u r going to feel great when u can bring your children back to 770, your relatives, and friends, and your mekuravim.This is what brings naches to the Rebbe.770 a place for inspiration for all ydn

#57 Comment By chosid On March 24, 2006 @ 10:45 am

does any chosid care about the rebbes tzavah?!!!!!!

#58 Comment By Historian On March 24, 2006 @ 11:37 am

Did it ever occur to anyone that maybe 770 should NOT:
>"remain the jungle that it is?",
allow "a wild, disheveled group of fundamentalist youth [to] bully, harass and tyrannize the people who’ve come to daven in 770 light years before they knew their Hebrew name?",
>Allow "a brand new religion [to be] parading around under the facade of "Chabad" [to] exploit the Rebbe’s shul to further its false and futile beliefs?"

Recently I was reading an ancient constitution, penned nearly 3,500 years ago back somewhere around north-east Africa. It had a very clearly detailed way described there for dealing with any situation that might arise among its’ nationals. It contained remedies for situations such as the one presented here above, s well as a host of other situations that may C"V arise. It was written in a way that wherever these citizens were to find themselves, they would still be able to live by the laws of their native country.

The source of this constitution is the Bible, the nation is Israel, and the point of origin is Mt. Sinai!

It is clearly described that if a dispute arises it should be dealt with in a JEWISH court of law. Even if it common knowledge that the Jewish court would have given the exact same ruing as the secular court, you are still prohibited from going to the secular court. If for whatever reason the disputees cannot or will not choose peacefully on a single court of law, then they must each choose one qualified Dayan [Jewish judge], and the two judges will then on their own choose the third judge. n this way and issue can be resolved according to the laws of the Torah. If one of the parties refuses to attend a ‘Din Torah’, the other must still approach a ‘bais din’ and and summon the other party. If the first party will not attend after being summoned three times…the es din may then grant the other party permission to bring the matter before a secular court of law!

In this case as well as many other being disputed in our community, things would be a lot better if the rules of the Torah were followed!

————

BTW being that most of us (and maybe even all of those posting here) don’t know all the details of each parties arguments, I would venture to say that we should refrain from drawing conclusions on the matter. Leave the verdicts for the court, and being that both parties are Jewish, it should be a Jewish court of law!

#59 Comment By have Merch! On March 24, 2006 @ 9:37 am

Tishray time we had many typs od guest in our home,
We have Rachmunes on every one so we had some mishichistim over,
We don’t get excited when they say things like..
The Rebbe is alive and walking around 770…
The Rebbe is not at the Ohel (they go only to the Freidker Rebbe- As if they know who he is- funny thing this person that was saying this was not from a Chabad family (never saw our Rebbe) was A Shifadi, I never knew that the Friedler Rebbe had Shifardi Chassidim [please note I have nothing againts Shfardim- don’t try to use this againts my point] 60 years latter he remembers that he’s a Chossid of the freidker Rebbe.

My father (taken it easy) ask them if they would speak this way about there Grandfather?
one of the girls sitting there could not hold it in any longer, and said out loud that she would talk this way about her grandfather, Because her grandfather -in hebrew- in Chay (alive) "aval Chay B’Emeth" (realy-truly alive).
Sad, what they are doing to these children.

#60 Comment By moishe On March 24, 2006 @ 10:47 am

i don’t even know what to say to all this. all i know is that it upsets me greatly to see lubavitchers rejoicing at the downfall of other Jews. Whether or not someone is a chossid is really no one’s business, and i’m pretty sure (although correct me if i’m wrong) that the Rebbe’s Ahavas Yisroel was way beyond who is normal and who is crazy. It may be difficult (extremely difficult) for us, as people with yetzer haras, to accept everyone, no matter how crazy they are, but let us at least acknowledge that this is also a fault in us, not only in them.

What i’m trying to say is, please don’t be happy to see mishichistim being kicked out of 770- first of all the majority of them are NOT crazy tzfatim, but normal Lubavitchers (sorry if i’m offending anyone by calling them Lubavitchers) who are trying their best to do what the Rebbe wants of them (as i’m sure the antis are also trying to do.) i can’t beleive the sinas chinam that goes on here (of course i’m not excluding myself) because this is exactly what brought about the churban, and if we want to rebuild the Bais Hamikdash we have to have Ahavas Chinam!!!!

I could probably go on forever refuting things that were said on this blog but it’s worthless.
all i want to say is: TRY TO LOVE ANOTHER JEW JUST BECAUSE HE HAS A NESHAMA, even if you don’t like the things he does. that’s the only way to bring Moshiach now!!!

Now, just one more point.
I know this is completely made up in my own head, but here’s my theory: The Rebbe obviously left us with a lot of information that lends itself to different hergeishim. Therefore people have different opinions and beleifs, mostly about whether or not to publicize the fact that the Rebbe is Moshiach. MAYBE it was meant that everybody do what they beleive the Rebbe wants of us (with the guidance of mashpios and rabbanim, of course). Could it be that there are two missions? That some people out there are drawn to the messianism and some people are drawn to the opposite? Perhaps if we all left eachother alone, each Lubavitcher would reach the non-frum Jews that he is supposed to reach, and talk to them in his way, and everything would work out!

#61 Comment By Tate Zisser On March 24, 2006 @ 1:23 pm

REPONSE TO HISTORIAN

oy tate zisser…
You did a remarkable job with the crash course in Jewish law, thanks for sharing!

Now for a crash course in the facts:

Merkos has summoned the Gaboyim to a Din Torah numerous times.

The Gaboyim refused to appear before anyone besides for the Badatz of Crown Heights.

The Gaboyim refused to participate in – even – a Zabl"a!

The issue was ignored for several years.

Merkos summoned Sharf and his band of hooligans to court for defacing the plaque and all the trouble they stirred up together.

THE GABOYIM then stepped in, out of their own volition, challenging Merkos’s authority over the property of the Shul.

In that case, the summoning Bais Din permitted the ensuing course of action.

The gaboyim stuck their arrogant nose out a bit too far, and woila! it got chpped off!

Historian, let’s try to blend facts and reality with our "Halachic" rulings.

#62 Comment By chabad On March 24, 2006 @ 12:24 pm

to reb yid

it is a known fact that every generation held that their Rebbe is the Moshiach of their Generation i am not going to bring you Sichos or chassidus because obviously you and the like of you have no shaichus to it but the GEMARA NIGLAH says it that the Talmidim of Rebbi thought he was Moshiach etc. now you will say yes but when rebbi passed on so did his Moshiach status in the eyes of his students that is true however they had anopther Rebbe after that unfortunatly for us there is no Rebbe after our’s and yes it may not be wise to run around screaming Rebbe Moshiach to the whole Wrold
but WE as CHASSIDIM should not lose FOCUS that before Gimmel Tammuz there was NO questions in ANYONES mind that the Rebbe is Moshiach and therefore it constitutes that afterwards as well there should be no question that the Rebbe is Moshiach.

again i do think that what they are doing in 770 is a disgrace as someone once told me if the rebbe is in Shul they wouldnt be doing half the things they do there
but there are many a SHLIACH as myself that feel to change teh face of 770 is an injustice to all take away flags fine but CLEAN UP since when do we throw people out of CHABAD!!!!

#63 Comment By historian On March 24, 2006 @ 3:49 pm

I was stating a couple of things I thought people lost focus on.

I was also implying that WE, HERE should not be the ones drawing conclusions, rather leave that to the appropriate venues.

I therefore did not blend ANY facts of the specific cases, trying not to imply any conclusions. There is a time and place for everything, and an internet forum (or news site) is not the place to judge important matters. If the Bais Din issued a ruling allowing them to go to court, than so be it, that’s what they should do. But we still don’t have to decide here if they were allowed to or not, if certain people a re lubavitch or not, if certain things are allowed to happen or not. Let’s leave the decision making to the courts, and keep the speculation, accusing, rumors, baseless loshon horah, etc.. to ourselves. Maybe if we did a little more introspection rather than extrospection we wouldn’t have to argue about these things anymore, either because they won’t exist (moshiach will have already come), or won’t be relevant (we won’t be bickering, and will learn IY"H how to deal with other people also having an opinion).

#64 Comment By grow up all of you On March 24, 2006 @ 2:34 pm

great example that everybody is setting for the next generation lubos as a teenager son of a shliach it makes me sick and makes me wonder what im doing here in the first place

#65 Comment By sence On March 24, 2006 @ 1:07 pm

Ben Shliach is DA BOMB!!!! love your comment…..and let’s get things straight that whoever doesn’t believe that the Rebbe is moshiach is NOT a chossid. I actually am felling a little pathetic now…..thinking to myself how come we have to write such things…..as if there is any type of hava amina that the rebbe isn’t moshiach??!!! anyways the Rebbe himself says so in a sicha in a ha’arah. EVERYONE THAT IS A CHOSSID BELEIVES THE REBBE IS MOSHIACH AND IF YOU DON’T BELIEVE THEN YOU ARE NOT A CHOSSID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! does anyone care to argue?? i hope not

#66 Comment By anonomous On March 24, 2006 @ 11:43 am

In my shul there is a woman who is extreamly in yiddishkeit and is always doing more. The Rebbe comes to her in dreams etc. A woman in our community brought her to C"H for chof beis shvat. On the agenda was 770. Which she loved. Before she came to our shul and into our community she told us that on Shabbos night she would always be in her house listening to the men singing yechi outside with such enthusiasum. ( She lives next door to the shul) Since that new york trip she now comes to our homes and shul wearing skirts. This woman is not being forced into anything. She’s not yet 100% frum and she loves everything. Thsi is what the Rebbe Melech Hamoshiach wants from each of us. To have endless ahavas yisroel for every yid and to bring yidden closer to yiddishkeit. NOT TO SIT INFRONT OF YOUR COMPUTERS SPREADING HATE AND ANNOMOSITY AMOUNG FELLOW YIDDEN. I agree what "Shliach" said. What did you pple do to bring Moshaich??? This woman thought that 770 was beautiful. In the few years I’ve lived in Crown heights, I’ve had plent of shuls closer to my apt. Including one 3 houses away. On shabbos I always choose to go to the Rebbe MH"M’s shul. It’s true on Shabbos the women’s shul is quite noisy and on Shavuos it was my neshama that "heard" the aseres hadibros because of the noise. It never crosed my mind to go to another shul. 770 is were I feel at home. One afternoon after the Rebbe’s minyan by mincha I desided to sit and write a letter to the Rebbe for a brocha that I need. As I sat and wrote what was on my heart I felt at comfort and that the Rebbe would answer all of my davening and wishes. Before gimmel tamuz all of the chassidim sang yechi with the Rebbe’s encouragement. Suddenly we don’t see the Rebbe with our physical eyes and people want to take down the Yechi sign? I have news for you. Things never changed. Just because we don’t see the Rebbe he’s still Moshiach. What do pple have against the sign? Is it because it’s hung over the stage were the Israeli bachurim sit, so you may find it offensive? I actually liek the sign. Guess what, I married a tzfati.

#67 Comment By Anti Crise- Anti Mishichist-Terrorist On March 24, 2006 @ 5:32 pm

It’s a funny thing that a lot of the people (Mishichistim) that wrote not so nice things in the beginning of this blog,
When faced with questions or they were challenged, ether never wrote again or got all "why can’t we all just get along” on use.

Until you face the truth, how can we get along?
You will arise a different day (or blog) to spread your lies!

Answer all the questions that were posted by the chabadniks (above) then well be talking.
Don’t try to hide behing the Achdush banner.
where were you when people (i know) were getting hurt?
Did you come to help, or al least preach Achduse "peace"?
or is it when your party is down you scream mercy?
[I said above all those with speeces go to Bais Moshiach magazine.]

True peace could only come in one truth.

p.s. to the chochom (moshie) that wrote,
" MAYBE it was meant that everybody do what they beleive the Rebbe wants of us (with the guidance of mashpios and rabbanim, of course). Could it be that there are two missions?"

Have you totally lost it?
There is one Torah , one Emeth (truth) and one Rebbe.
Who would be a Chassid of any one that can’t make up his mind?
Will you Be Michaich your kids in such a manner (one day like this the other like this).
The Rebbe was a father to his Chassidim and he knew exactly who we are.
I don’t think the Rebbe was sort for word, if he wanted to say something he said it strait out.

#68 Comment By Don-t give up! On March 24, 2006 @ 5:10 pm

"Grow up all of you wrote:
Great examples that everybody is setting for the next generation Chabad- Lubavitch as a teenager son of a shliach it makes me sick and makes me wonder what I’m doing here in the first place." (????)

Answer:
You are (or should be) a Chassid of The Rebbe and not A Chassid of other Chassidim.

I.e., even if 99.99% are not doing the right thing, it is your responsibility to check (learn) things for your self.
And also, think for yourself.

When it comes to Yiddiskit I can ask the same Question, when Jews are not acting in the way of Hashem,
Why am I here?
Same answer because Hashem gave you the torah and it’s none of your business how many people (%) are or not keeping it.

[Know that all that befalls you comes from a single Source, that there is nothing outside of that Oneness to be blamed for any event in the universe.

And although this person who insulted you, or hurt you, or damaged your property, is granted free choice and is held culpable for his decision to do wrong — that is his problem. That it had to happen to you — that is between you and the One Above.]
You do what you have to do!
Change the World around you!

#69 Comment By moishe On March 25, 2006 @ 8:26 pm

attention a.c.a.m.terrorist:

i don’t claim to be a big chochom, chas veshalom. let me clarify- i’m a teenager growing up with all this mishugas going on all around me. my comment was just a thought- and i did say that. but i didn’t mean, chas veshalom, that the Rebbe couldn’t make up his mind. let me clarify:

it occured to me that obviously if the Rebbe wanted us to do something, he would tell us straight, like you said it. and yet, there are SO many people who feel that you should say yechi and tell people that the Rebbe is Moshiach, and SO many who don’t- and there are chassidish learned people on both side!!!! now that’s a little puzzling. so i just THOUGHT (and still do) that in that area (and ONLY that area!!!) of whether or not to spread the Rebbe being Moshiach, each person must look at the sichos of the Rebbe and do his best to understand what they mean. Because two people can learn the same sicha and both with good intentions understand it differently. i’ve seen it happen, that’s just life. and i’m sorry if you think i’ve lost my mind, but please explain to me what’s so terrible about some people spreading the fact that the Rebbe’s Moshiach, and some people not? that’s what happens anyway, except we’re killing eachother over it!!!! all i’m saying is that we should leave others alone and then things will play out as they should.

please explain if you still find something wrong with this idea.

also, to "chabad":
the beginning of your comment makes a lot of sense, but the end sort of sounds a little funny- because we don’t have another Rebbe, we’ll just live in denial and pretend that he’s still around and still Moshiach. Forgive me for being rude, but this is the way i see it:
Every generation beleives their Rebbe is Moshiach. The difference now is that the Rebbe clearly told us in Basi Ligani (and other places) that OUR GENERATION is the generation of Moshiach- there is no turning back. So it doesn’t depend anymore on whether or not we deserve Moshiach (as someone else mentioned above) because we’re beyond that. THEREFORE we can say that the Rebbe is still Moshiach- because he is (and will always be) the Rebbe of the generation of Moshiach.

#70 Comment By Get a life On March 25, 2006 @ 6:10 pm

This is the most disgusting website I have ever seen. It looks like it was created just to put down "those crazy messianists". Stop with the L"H and start learning to understand other people

#71 Comment By to get a life On March 25, 2006 @ 11:18 pm

In answer to ‘get a life’:

>Quoted comment:
>"This is the most disgusting website I have ever seen. It looks like it
>was created just to put down "those crazy messianists". Stop with the
>L"H and start learning to understand other people"
First off… This is a website dedicated to reporting local news and allowing the readers to comment on the articles.

Secondly… If you would heave read through all the comments on this article, you would notice that the perspectives are as diverse as the people are.

Don’t get me wrong though, I still believe people should learn to live peacefully with each other and understand them. But don’t blame the site.

This website is doing a wonderful job of keeping us informed in a timely manner.

>>>>ATTN: WEBBY

GREAT JOB!! Keep it up!!

#72 Comment By mishi-farmished On March 25, 2006 @ 9:01 pm

if Rabbi Krinsky and Rabbi Shem-Tov would like to raise the monies needed to cover the budget of running 770, inclueing paying the bills for heat and air conditioning, as well as other maintenance, all while making 770 a better place to daven, and a respect for the rebbe, all while uniting fellow lubabvitchers, i dont think anyone would have a problem with it, you may even get some of the gaboim to surender thier positions, and step aside.

Lets first find out if that is what Rabbi Krinsky and Rabbi She-tov want out of 770…

#73 Comment By To:Anti Crise…..a response On March 26, 2006 @ 1:05 am

#1-770 Eastern Pkwy, is Not a house nor a car, it is a PUBLIC SYNAGOUGE (which at the time of vandalism, it was disputed who exactly owns it) . Now enough wishful thinking and think practically, what can/will be done to "clean out the terrorists" or whatever, their gonn’a make it into a subway station and have security guards scan every face on a computer before they walk in?????
Stop dreaming.
#2-Reading your comments makes it seem like there was only one secretary (baal hagola) of the Rebbe and that R’ Krinsky is the most righteous man out there, you keep on writing how you want PROOF PROOF… well, you know well that there are (unfortunately) too many politcal events over the past 12 or 15 years to write about, and we can sit forever arguing about what happened, how, why and etc., so fucus on the issues at hand, you know good and well what the "proofs" are.
#3- You write:
"FACT IS the Rebbe Passed away, the Rebbe Is not Moshiach (I hope I’m Wrong, when he comes I’ll Find out)"
Mr’ FACTS, you obviously never learnt the Rebbes Sichos from 5748-5752, if you did, you would know the "FACTS", so stop trashing and start learning.
FACT is, a Lubavitcher Chasid believes that his Rebbe is Moshiach (see the talks of the Lubavitcher Rebbe-if you heard of him)and that he is Nossi Hador and therefore still IS and therefore denies the claim you made above, now if you dont believe any of this then very simply you haven’t learn this Lubavitcher Rebbes teachings which are very clear.
You write:
"The Rebbe left these people to be in charge,"
Well guess what, the Rebbe left other people also in charge, but sorry your mentors have hijacked the Rebbes organizations and who ever they didnt like-they just threw them out, so what you have here is a few-man show.
You wrote:
"and guess what? I still Have A Rebbe, I have no doubts, I can still go to the Rebbe,
Ohel Chabad Lubavitch"
You know stay by your dead Rebbe at the Ohel and dont mix in to the affairs at the Rebbes Shul, after all "the Rebbe is dead-he’s a gonner" so who need 770? there’s nothing there, (and if you dont believe in what the Rebbe says why should you believe in his Shul) so stay by the Ohel and please Don’t come to Crown Heights , it’s cool enough w/o you.
you wrote:
"Who are those that will throw stones on moshiach if he’s not the Rebbe?"

Sorry, TRUE chassidim dont even think about their rebbe not being Moshiach (there is a famous joke, that they say Moshiach MUST be a Misnaged, beacause if he was a Chassid then the Misnagdim would not accept him, but CHASSIDIM will accept ANYBODY- as long as Moshiach comes) so go learn some Chassidic philsophy.
You wrote:
"Have you totally lost it?
There is one Torah , one Emeth (truth) and one Rebbe.
Who would be a Chassid of any one that can’t make up his mind?
Will you Be Michaich your kids in such a manner (one day like this the other like this).
The Rebbe was a father to his Chassidim and he knew exactly who we are."

Please, read what you wrote and translate it yourself.
There is one Rebbe which meant everything that he said INCLUDING those parts about Moshiach and the Nossi Doreinu being alive in a guf.
LEARN sir, LEARN before you talk (write),what the Rebbe wrote didn’t change and can’t be changed.
You wrote:
"I don’t think the Rebbe was sort for word, if he wanted to say something he said it strait out."
He did. See his Sichos and you’ll see it – It’s all there.
I know what you mean, you mean the Rebbe would have said:"I am Moshiach and i am coming this and this day and in x amount of years"-you know the answer to that question- dont play dumb, as you commonly do.
(and by the way, G-d is not either short on words, why is there the Mishna, Talmud, Midarsh, Halacha and Etc…and please don’t pick on the semantics and say i am comparing the Rebbe to G-d CH’V).
#4-you dont deserve to have the privilege of being a Lubavitcher, so either learn your stuff or take off your hat (if you wear one) take off your beard (if you have one) actualy keep that one, take off your Sirtuk (if you wear one) and give me your Likutei/Sefer Ha/Sichos.
—————————————————
To: Tate Zisser:
Where do you get this thing about Aguch taking the Gaboyim to Bais Din?

To: Boruch Dayon Haemes:
your obviously ignorant of the Lubavitcher Rebbes talks and writings,
all i can say to you is learn a little and then you might merit to have an opinion on any issue being dscussed here.

I love you all. Bring Moshiach!

#74 Comment By Lubavitcher Chasid On March 26, 2006 @ 1:37 am

half the time when you chalenge meshichist terrorists on their versions of the rebbe sichos they just repeat the same things again without really answering the questions, these same mishichist terrorists have been known for taking sichos put together by kehos or those who they call anti’s and destroying them so that people can’t see another veiw, just get the facts straight, even though the rebbe is the leader of he generation which means that he is moshiach (sefer hasichos parshas bo – nun beis) that does not mean that this should be our constant focus as the rebbe wrote in letters to people that there is no inyan (purpose) what so ever to look into or spead who is moshiach. true the rebbe did say in sichos to spead that there is a leader in the generation, but that has nothing to do with who is moshiach, the rebbe said clearly that mivtza moshiach is to learn things about moshiach, make a chalukas hashas, doing these things will bring moshiach, there is no question that there was a histalkus on gimmel tammuz there is no source in torah that contradicts it the sicha of parshas shoftim – nun-aleph does not compare the body of the nassi to the evven-hashesiya rather it compares the idea of a navi & shofet of every generation to the evven-hashesiya, we all know that the fridiker rebbe is in the ohel so the rebbe can be there too and still be our nasi just like shimshon hagibor was a shofet for 20 years after he passed away, hama’ase hu haiker do not have blind faith that is not emuna, emunah is first a naase with a nishma afterwards do not forget about the nishma and also a naase without a source (makor) is not a naase, anyhow may the mishechist cult realise their mistakes through their removal from 770, and may we moshiach tziddkenu come immediately now! mamosh!

#75 Comment By Anti…….. On March 26, 2006 @ 3:05 am

mishi-farmished wrote:

"Lets first find out if that is what Rabbi Krinsky and Rabbi She-tov want out of 770…"

Is someone asking you, or any bodyelse in that matter?
Thes’ll do what they want, there incharge, not you not me, not my father and not your’s.

You do your thing and the’ll do theres.

#76 Comment By Elkanah Shmotkin On March 26, 2006 @ 8:52 am

Mayven wrote:
> HISTORY REWRITE
> Just how many people remember WHO EXACTLY put > up the first signs on 770s walls in the first place?

> It was the Wilhelms and the Shmotkins, big lefties >now and affiliates of Shemtov.

>We have them to thank for this uncontollable mess.
Mayven,

Your point – that whatever one’s name he must be held responsible for his mistake – is a good one.

However, you have made a factual error:

The "Shmotkins" had nothing to do with those signs going up.

#77 Comment By Anti… On March 26, 2006 @ 1:37 pm

Whatever it is, all the people that went up againt the Rebbe are either Passed on, or living and killing each other (if you know history you will see what I am talking about).

The only people to servive are the ones that ask Michela from the Rebbe and Chaned there way.

did you notice that a Pushka with only a few coins will make a lot of noise, but a full one (if some one owns a pushka and it’s emtey right now its probly b/c hes filling it up again) won’t make any noise.
That my friends is the mishichistem, a pushka with not tomany coins.

Chabad- full Pushka (if you know what ChaBaD means you will understand.

#78 Comment By Anti… On March 26, 2006 @ 1:30 pm

somone wrote to me above:

"#2-Reading your comments makes it seem like there was only one secretary (baal hagola) of the Rebbe and that R’ Krinsky is the most righteous man out there, you keep on writing how you want PROOF PROOF… well, you know well that there are (unfortunately) too many political events over the past 12 or 15 years to write about, and we can sit forever arguing about what happened, how, why and etc., so focus on the issues at hand, you know good and well what the "proofs" are."

First I will copy, past what I wrote above:

"I wonder about all these peoples talking against Rabbi Krinsky and Acuch/Merkaz/Rebbe, Where were you or your fathers 12 years ago when Certain people (who have long done Tisuva and ask for Michela In public) went on a campaign against The Rebbe/Aguch (what, for some reason every body seems to be calling “kirnsky”),
Did you or your father sign those letters?
Did you have the Guts to do what you call "the right thing"?
Did you come out then to speak "the truth"?
Did you then get up on the Bimah and make a Micha?
Did your so called “Most of Lubavithch” come out against them?
Did you throw those so called “liars”, “killers”, Power Hungry”, PR masters (whatever else you may come up with) out of The “Rebbes”* Shul? {*these people were against the Rebbe- some even said that they may have G-d forbid killed the Rebbe) Again, Where were you?
12 years latter you wake up, write something on the Internet with out a name, what courage, what Heskashrush (where can I get some of that?)
All you bluffs, phonies, standing in the back round letting other people do your dirty work and when there done you disregard then like the people you had them disregard, shame on you all (mishichistim).
Writing leis like they are facts!
BRING PROFF (don’t just say you can, DO IT!!)"

Now I add:
You say there’s to much stuff from the last 12-15years.
Why don’t you bring just one, One single letter that any body wrote againts Aguch/Krinsky, one letter that was singed by one of the others (Groner, Simson), there is a reason they sent other people to do there dirty work.
Why did they not sing on those "truths".
[Why did involve a family that had nothing to do with aguch?]

And let me explain something to you,
R.Kirinsky is part of a bored which the rebbe put together, that means nobody can do what they want….
[If a majority wants to kick someone out, then they have the right to.]

You also wrote:
"You know stay by your dead Rebbe at the Ohel and dont mix in to the affairs at the Rebbes Shul, after all "the Rebbe is dead-he’s a goner" so who need 770? there’s nothing there, (and if you dont believe in what the Rebbe says why should you believe in his Shul) so stay by the Ohel and please Don’t come to Crown Heights , it’s cool enough w/o you."

I will once again copy, past:

10) "For forty years I quarreled with that generation; and I said, "They are a people of erring hearts, they do not know my ways." (11) So I vowed in my anger that they would not enter my resting place.

(Tihilhim 95.)
Don’t think you are hurting anybody by not going to the Ohel, it’s simply that the Rebbe does not want you there,
Do Tisuva, ask Michela from the Rebbe and he will except you back.
How can you take one of the greatest human beings on this planet and make him in to nothing?
Shame on you.

With the entire name calling, it seems you didn’t sleep all night, you have to much hate in you.
Don’t be so angry all the time.
I don’t know you and you don’t know me.

You also wrote:
"
#4-you don’t deserve to have the privilege of being a Lubavitcher, so either learn your stuff or take off your hat (if you wear one) take off your beard (if you have one) actually keep that one, take off your Sirtuk (if you wear one) and give me your Likutei/Sefer Ha/Sichos."

I don’t really have to say more, you proof for yourself what type of person you are.

But I will just want to say this.
Pray to g-d that if g-d forbid your or your children or your father or anybody you know and love are in any trouble (getting mugged, or attacked anywhere even in 770) that I am there to help you out.
[If you have love for Hashem and love for Torah, but you lack love for a fellow Jew, you have nothing!]
I’m not one to stand around and do what you do, and that is nothing!

[Let me just note, that just as i am an anti (with no shame) I was unfortunately (before I grow up and learnt to ask questions, to only find out that it was all lies) a Mishichist, so all those so called Sichas and bias moshiach shtick I know, pull that stuff on someone else.]

#79 Comment By My opinion On March 26, 2006 @ 8:54 am

This is my opinion,
The Rebbe is Moshiach
We dont have to announce it to the world.
The Rebbe’s guf is by the Ohel (next to his Rebbe)
The Rebbe is not dead, (we should never use such a word about any tzaddik)
The Rebbe lives on inside of us.
If you want to say Yechi, say it, dont scream it.
If you dont feel that you can say Yechi, dont say it.
Love your fellow jew, even if they are different than you.

It has always seemed ironic to me how so many people are FIGHTING about what the Rebbe said wanted and encouraged. Dont you all realize that the Rebbe’s MAIN stress was Ahavas Yisroel!!! So no matter which "side" you are on or what you believe in, if you fight say lashon hara and aren’t having Ahavas Yisroel, you are DEFINITELY not doing what the Rebbe wants. The Rebbe said CLEARLY that Ahavas Yisroel will bring Moshiach, so stop arguing, and do an act of kindness to bring Moshiach NOW! May we be reunited with our Rebbe with the coming of Moshiach Bimheirah Beyamainu Mamesh!

#80 Comment By mendel hant, o, d, a On March 26, 2006 @ 3:19 pm

Well, my dear friends, I have had a good time reading your opinions and views.

Firstly I think it is important to stress that each one of you (including myself), are presenting your personal views and outlook. And based on the way that you conceive and imagine everyone else to believe and think.

– Maybe you are right, but, maybe you are wrong.

Secondly, I am not sure where any of you receive and get your information from, again:

– Maybe you are right, but, maybe you are wrong.

Thirdly, one thing for sure, I am a Lubavitcher and I have studied in Lubavitch Yeshivas all my life, and I currently live in Crown Heights, and daven in 770 daily.
This is an undisputable fact: A majority of Lubavitchers do not discuss: Is, If, Can, Will, When, How¡K.. The Rebbe – Moshiach. We just don¡¦t, we have moved on, and we are more concerned about building stronger and larger Chabad communities with Shluchim and Chabad houses around the world, doing the Rebbe¡¦s directive of spreading Torah and Mitzvos all around the globe. And we all have negative feelings towards the few ¡¥mishechistim¡¦, (who believe they direct where and when the Rabbe comes and goes¡K)

– Maybe we are right, but, maybe we are wrong, (this is just the way we are at the moment.)

Finally, Some of those writing the above comments, are really not in touch with what is going on in Lubavitch. It would be similar to me, presenting and sharing my opinion on satmars; or any other sect, on whom the only information I have is scarce.

– Definitely wrong.

Others have their own personal political agenda, so it is hard to judge, as it is on any open forum. It would be similar to me, discussing and arguing for the right in Israel, vs. the left.
¡V Always must be right. ƒº

We all want peace harmony, and Moshiach to come right now!

– For sure right, (I hope!)

#81 Comment By Shmuli On March 26, 2006 @ 4:12 pm

I belive that R. Krinsky has a acriyus to get the meshchist out of the rebbes shul and make it a place that every lubavicher feel comfetble coming and davning in and even more so maybe non lubavitcher’s may also come..

#82 Comment By REAL achdus please On March 26, 2006 @ 5:39 pm

"my opinion"- i agree with you 100%! why does everything have to be fighting LETS JUST GET ALONG FOR ONCE.

#83 Comment By 770 Mispalel On March 26, 2006 @ 8:24 pm

In my opinion, Krinsky does not want to clean up the Shul. He will be forced to daven downstairs and lock up the cozy little hangout they made for themselves in the Gan Eliden Ha’elyon. On the other hand, Shemtov does not enter the Gan Eiden Ha’elyon so he has more of a incentive to clean up the Shul. In the long run, whoever tries to take the Shul by force will have mother of all wars on his hands and will ultimately carry the achrayis for the hand raising, chilul hashem and all the negative publicity that will arise from their actions. Mark my words, it will be the downfall of everything the Rebbe stood for in the event the Shul will be disturbed from it’s present state. I believe Shemtov/Krinsky know it and all the talk is just plain and simple saber rattling. YAD HACHASSIDIM AL HA’ELYONA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#84 Comment By anonomous On March 26, 2006 @ 8:09 pm

TO SHMULI…
First of all plenty of not frum pple visit 770. Shluchim are always bringing their mekuravim. I don’t know if you just read the article but I responded to "Anti" and I mentioned that a not frum women from our communtiy was taken to ny for chof beish shvat. SHe also visitied 770 and loved it. She bought a few skirts to wear in Ny and is now wearing them whenever she comes to shul or to one of our homes for shabbos. When’s the last time you were in 770. Please don’t generalize and say that pple don’t feel comfortable to go to 770. When I lived in crown heights and whenever I visited I saw the men’s shul as well as women’s packed. I think plenty of pple are comfortable to daven there.(Maybe u aren’t)

***As a side point to all of you who responded so negitively and who are acting like the Israeli bachurim are such lowlifes, let me tell you something… My parents and sister evacuated New Orleans during Katrina. My 2 younger brothers were due back from camp and were supposed to fly back to N.O. that night. Since " Mommy and Tatty" were sadly unable to give them the warm welcome that I’m sure they were looking forward to they stayed in Crown Heights with me until our parents were able to come, confuseed and not knowing what was going on. (A side point my youngest brother turned 12 the day they arrived in C"H from camp. I’ve never asked but I’m sure it wasn’t the b-day he was hoping to have, not being around classmates and fam.) While my brothers were in c"H they spent time in 770 with my husband (then chosson) as well as some of the other Israeli bachurim. The amount of Friendship and kindness and Ahavas Yisroel that was shown to my brothers was unbelievable. Imagine being a young child C’V not knowing were your friends are, if you still have a home to go back to, when Mommy and Tatty will come back??? This can be very hard onkids. But I never saw them once sad or upset.Inquisitve yes but never sad. I think this is why. So are these the lowlifes that krinsky and shemtov and all of you want out of 770????!!!! Tell me is this what all of you consider low???

#85 Comment By yechi7 On March 26, 2006 @ 9:48 pm

Reb Yid asks: "since when is it a requirement for a chosid to belive that the rebbe is moshiach?"

The Rebbe said:

"…For every Chasid believes with complete faith that the Rebbe of his generation, just like the leader of our generation, is the Moshiach."
(Eve of the fifth of Sukkos, 5747, Hisvaduyos, unedited)

"For inasmuch as the promise ‘Awaken and sing, those who rest in the dust’ will soon take place…, there will then be a realization of the meaning of ‘Menachem – King Moshiach!’"
(Eve of Rosh Hashanah, 5744, Hisvaduyos, unedited)

"As such, the Almighty’s Geulah is actually brought about through His emissary, the righteous Moshiach, with all eight names [mentioned in Gemara Sanhedrin 98b] attributed to him. This includes also ‘His name is Menachem,’ in a way that ‘One points with his finger and exclaims "Behold! Here he is!" Here is Menachem, our righteous Moshiach!’ "
(Rosh Chodesh Menachem Av, 5749, unedited)

Dovid

#86 Comment By guys how about geting a life!! On March 26, 2006 @ 7:02 pm

rebbe IS moshiach

the rebbe urged us to YES publicize

most lubavitchers believe the rebbe is moshiach + we should publicize

Technically, signs + flags + yechi singing has been 770’s status-quoe for to long and will therefore stay that way unless 97% of its unique worshippers are replaced

PR people were never and will never be pleased with any aspect of the image of 770

tzfatim will always fill 770 because Technically, no one can evict a jew from a shul merely because of his apparel and get away with it

finally: most meshichistim don’t visit this site, and those who do – couldn’t care less about commenting (exept bord souls like me)

LIFE’S FOR SALE!!!

Get a brand new life NOW for only 19.95/month, money back guarantee, 30 day trial!

#87 Comment By To: Mendel Hant O.D…. On March 26, 2006 @ 7:13 pm

you wrote:
"And we all have negative feelings towards the few ¡¥mishechistim¡¦, (who believe they direct where and when the Rabbe comes and goes¡K)"
#1- who is we all? all detroiters?
#2-I think your mixing up Meshichistim with Tzfatim, beacause otherwise your statement would not make any sense, for the Mehsichitim are majority of Lubavitchers.
#3- "where and when the Rebbe comes and goes"???
What are you talking about? make up your mind is your rebbe alive or dead R"L?
Bring Moshiach with LOVE towards EVERY Jew!

#88 Comment By politics hater On March 26, 2006 @ 5:35 pm

why cant lubavitch get along????????? why do we have to be known as the ones with all the politics. this is not what the rebbe wanted. it everyone would just concentrate on what the rebbe wanted then moshiach would have been here for a long time already. let everyone do what they feel- if you want say yechi if not – not!

#89 Comment By To: Anti…. On March 26, 2006 @ 7:05 pm

You sound so troubled and depressed, you just continue spewing your hate without an end.
You want the Meshichistim to bring signed papers, let’s see YOU bring some papers-some proof, mr’ Big-talker.
Just to show how you make your decisions so confidently and you just have no idea whatsoever what your talking about, i DO go to the Ohel, so take back those hateful words that you said to me, and just in case you didn’t know, MOST Mishichistim DO go to the Ohel, but in your mind, every Mishichist (=most Lubavitcher’s) is a Tzfati, terrorist, Taliban, you name it, because your whole life is just hate hate and more hate, the Lubavitcher is quite the opposite of you, full of love, love and more love towards EVERY Jew.
You must understand sir, that the Tzfati hooligans are only a tiny minority of Mishchistim, please stop equalizing the two the whole time.
you wrote:
"I’m not one to stand around and do what you do, and that is nothing!"
Check how many comments I wrote, and how many YOU did……see how you dont make sense.
You wrote:
"Whatever it is, all the people that went up againt the Rebbe are either Passed on, or living and killing each other"
Note, you wrote, fighting the REBBE, well each side claims that the other is fighting the Rebbe.
Learn to co-exist with other people and for that matter Jews, even though you disagree with their opinion, it won’t bring Moshiach calling anybody Terrorist R’L, or other stereotypes, you just destabalize the situation even more.
(By The Way, for some odd reason, the title "farbissene" only goes with the word "anti" not with the word "Mishichist", i think that says something=one side is full of hate and the other full of love-and once again, i know you’ll start equalizing mishichistim and Tzfatim-please dont).
If you look carefully, it’s not MY comments that sound so hateful, but rather yours, nut anyways, learn to spell english. Thank you.
Ad Mosai?!

#90 Comment By My Opinion On March 27, 2006 @ 8:04 pm

It hurts me so much to see all this fighting. Its as if the satan saw over 12 years ago that Chabad Lubavitch was the strongest most united force and we were actually bringing Moshiach. The satan saw our Achdus and saw our accomplishments and wanted to stop us. How could the satan get such united Chassidim to disagree, to argue? The satan saw that gashmius doesn’t matter, that we were headed the right direction. The satan took what is closest to our hearts, what means the most to us and this became the machlokes. MEIN TAYERE BRIDDER, OUR REBBE’S NAME, THIS IS WHAT WE OUR FIGHTING OVER. OY VEY! OUR REBBE, OUR TATTE OUR LEADER OUR REBBE, HOW COULD THIS BE? What should be or shouldnt be on the plaque, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT OUR REBBE, does the Rebbe want us to fight about his name?? Think about it, and next time you are about to disagree, argue or hurt (in any way) someone else,

REMEMBER: OUR REBBE, OUR TATTE DOESNT WANT TO SEE HIS KINDERLACH FIGHTING WITH EACHOTHER ESPECIALLY IN HIS NAME!!!

I saw a few comments that said your Rebbe is etc. and my Rebbe etc. I just want to tell everyone,
WE ALL HAVE THE SAME REBBE!
And OUR Rebbe’s main stress in bringing Moshiach was not anouncing, screaming yelling fighting or politics. The Rebbe said that AHAVAS YISROEL would bring Moshiach (I could give you a thousand proofs and a thousand sources for this). Even if you have no reason, you don’t agree, Sina’as Chinam destroyed the Bais Hamikdosh and the Rebbe said that only AHAVAS CHINAM will build it once again.

CHASSIDIM AIN MISHPACHA!

My brothers, we are all Chassidim of the Rebbe. May we be zoche to see him once more!

LET US SHOUT TOGETHER (no matter what you believe) TOGETHER!

AD MOSAI?
AD MOSAI?
AD MOSAI?
WE WANT MOSHIACH NOW!

#91 Comment By Statistics On March 27, 2006 @ 8:49 pm

Statistics based completely on my own opinions and observations
In my statistics the term Lubavitchers equals all who claim to be chassidim.
15% of Lubavitchers don’t believe the Rebbe is Moshiach
85% of Lubavitchers believe the Rebbe is Moshiach.
60% of Lubavitchers say Yechi (privately or publicly).
60% of Lubavitchers believe that we should not publicize that the Rebbe is Moshiach.
20% of Lubavitchers believe the Rebbe is in a Guf and will not go to the Ohel.
5% of Lubavitchers believe nothing happened on Gimmel Tammuz.

Who is called anti, who is called mishachist? Aren’t both those terms extreme. Mishachists mistakenly believe that if you dont say yechi than you think the Rebbe is not Moshiach and Antis mistakenly believe that if you say Yechi you believe that nothing happened on Gimmel Tammuz. These beliefs do not necessarily go hand in hand. I think alot of the hate and hurt is by making two sides one against the other.
What I have observed that there isn’t just two different sides, anit and mishichist but actually there are a variety of different opinions. And there are some people who say Yechi yet don’t agree to screaming it or publicizing it. And there are some people who don’t say Yechi but believe 100% that the Rebbe is Moshiach. So lets stop categorizing people, lets stop arguing and realize we have alot more in common than we think.

I have been asked, "Are you a mishachist?" Being that I dont say Yechi out loud I reply in the negative. Then when they ask me if I believe the Rebbe is Moshiach they are shocked when I say "Of Course" Alot of people who dont say Yechi believe this way.

I have also met some people, who say Yechi with their children at night, who sing it at a farbrengen. But until I experienced shabbos with their family I would have never known because they dont publicize it. There are quite a few who believe this way.

I believe that a majority of Lubavitchers believe in one of the above opinions.
So we have alot more in common than we think, ehh?
So stop fighting and see what you have in common with the other person.

I have also noticed that alot more men than women get involved in politics. I have seen two men who completely don’t agree or get along because of politics and you know something? Their wives are best of friends! I heard that there was once a big arguement during simchas torah at the end of Hakofos, (yellow flags in shul or not). One lady stood up and announced to all the other women, "Everyone, GET YOUR HUSBANDS AND GO HOME!" The women listened:the fight was over and everyone was gone in less than five minutes!

Learn from the women of the generation, it was bzchus nashim tzidkoniyos that we went out Mitzrayim and the women will bring us out of this Galus too! Just one more act of loving kindness will bring Moshiach. We want Moshiach now!

#92 Comment By chana On March 28, 2006 @ 12:05 am

to "statistics"–

you can say that again!!! i love your comment and agree with everything you said!!

#93 Comment By MOSHE On March 28, 2006 @ 6:17 pm

HAYOM YOM, 10 AV:

b)HAD THE REBBE NOT INSERTED THE THREE WORDS B’MIDOS EMES L’YAAKOV (ACCORDING TO THE ATTRIBUTE OF TRUTH UNTO YA’AKOV), HE WOULD HAVE ATTRACTED FIFTY THOUSAND MORE CHASSIDIM. BUT THE REBBE DEMANDS THE TRAIT OF TRUTH.

Chabad is not and never was a movement to please crowds, or shake presidents’ hands…since the Alter Rebbe. We see this clearly with the Rebbe MH"M’s contrevertial mivtzos and contrevertial beliefs such as ‘mi yehudi’ and the singing of hatikfa etc,etc…

DO NOT FORGET WHAT HAPPENED IN NUN-BEIS, GIMMEL AND DALED!! THE REBBE MH’M NEEDS A NATION TO ACCEPT HIM AS A MELECH (EIN MELECH B’LO AM)!! KNOW WHAT THE TRUTH IS, AND DO NOT BE MISPOEL BY THE WORLD!

YECHI ADONEINU MOREINU V’RABEINU MELECH HAMOSHIACH LEOLAM VOED!!!!

#94 Comment By stupidity and sickness On April 5, 2006 @ 4:17 pm

It is quite sad that people can be soooooooo stupid. Grow up already you meshichist babies. Pretending that the Rebbe didn’t die just makes you look so foolish and idiotic (not to mention kofrim in the Torah and in what the Rebbe z"l himself taught). Don’t you see how sick you are? Either take a strong drink of coffee and wake up already and face reality, or bang you heads against the wall and put yourselves out of your misery. You remind me of the false prophets of Baal whom Eliyahu fought against. Clean out the mishgas-apikorsis now.

#95 Comment By A Bochur of Y.O.Y.Y. L On April 24, 2006 @ 8:23 am

This generation more and more anti’sare B"h becoming michechist, your all very iggnorent the Rebbe clearly hints that he is the Nosi and the anti"s say the Rebbe is the nosi but the Rebbe says the Nosi is moshiach

#96 Comment By YOSEF AVID SAVOY On October 23, 2006 @ 11:19 am

I’m so surprise that there is soooo
much conflict between jewish brothers.
aren’t we all one people. The rebbe was
one of the greatest people who ever lived during this age! and this is how
we thank him? I don’t understand.
We are already hated and and looked down
own by the world, and even within certain jewish communities. If we don’t stick together we all can just forget about it. go aheah read whats on the internet, there are soooo many white
people, non-jewish who cant wait to grab
a jew by his neck and kill him!!!! just
because we live in this little world of our on eastern parkway, doesnt mean that
there is still a world of people who watch our (jewish men )step. they see the discord between us.. WAKE UP MY JEWISH BROTHERS AND UNITE!!!! REMEMBER
IT’S US AGAINST THE GOY-NOT YID AGAINST
YID. WITH BROTHERLY LOVE AND CONCERN YOSEF DAVID SAVOY

#97 Comment By Eliezer from Betar On May 8, 2009 @ 9:08 am

The sooner Chabad forgets about this Mashiach business and returns to Judaism the sooner the real Mashiach will arive.