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Shomrim Members were Gang Assaulted while Settling a Dispute

CROWN HEIGHTS, Brooklyn [CHI] — A number of Shomrim members responding to a call were ambushed and gang assaulted. The incident took place earlier tonight, Motzoai Shabbos, when Shomrim got the call about a dispute inside 749 Eastern Parkway, members arrived on scene and began sorting out the incident when a large gang converged on the room and trapped the members inside.

As the situation began getting out of hand Shomrim members called for backup and for police assistance. The crowd then started throwing punches and assaulting the members.

More in the Extended Article!

When police officers arrived on scene, they began sorting out who’s who and moving everyone out of the premises. As officers were preparing to leave a second fight broke out where three Bochurim attacked a Shomrim member who went back in to find his glasses and yarmulke, the commotion was heard outside and officers ran back into the building and witnessed a Bochur standing over the member, who was laying on the floor, with a fire extinguisher trying to hit the member with it. Following what the officers had witnessed they arrested the two Bochurim and locked them up, there were no other arrests made.

A number of Shomrim members were treated on scene for scratches and bruises, but were B”H not seriously injured.

The gang of Bochurim, who are known as the ‘Tzfatim’, are notorious for their terror tactics, most recently their assault on a member of the community, Reb Yitzy Vail, a handyman who was doing work for the Gabboim inside 770, was viciously assaulted and his entire tool box stolen. As if that was not enough, the next day they stole his clothing from the Mikva with all his possessions including his wallet and keys, leaving him naked without any means of getting a change of clothes.

Another Mikva goer had pity on him and went to his house and got him a change of clothes. The gang then threatened Reb Vail and told him the only way he will get his possessions back is if he promises not to press charges against them.

These terror tactics were employed here against an Israeli Bochur, whom they tried to evict from his room. The Bochur called family members of his to come help him out when they were assaulted and called Shomrim.

UPDATE: As of 3:00 AM this morning the two Bochurim have been released and given Desk Appearance Tickets.

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#1 Comment By Disgusted once more On December 30, 2007 @ 2:22 am

Shocking! I was hoping we were discussing gentiles. If these individuals don’t listen to any authority- why are they still here? Let them loose on the Arab terrorist attacking their homeland. Once they hurt Jews and will not listen to Rabbonim- there is no reason in my mind why they shouldn’t be deported. The only reason they are here is to learn. They seemed to have learned how to fight- now they can move on and practice it elsewhere.

#2 Comment By Moshe Bin Laden On December 30, 2007 @ 2:12 am

749 Became a HizbolLah & Hamas cell.

#3 Comment By CH resident On December 30, 2007 @ 2:16 am

they should be kicked out of crown heights
especially the ones who are not a part of the yeshivah yet still stay in the dorm after thay were told to leave!

#4 Comment By mb On December 30, 2007 @ 2:09 am

it says, they are are known for their terror tactics… where the hell are we, in goddamn pakistan????!!! what boggles my mind, is that they are still able to get away with all this. let the community leaders use some “terror tactics” and send them the hell out of here!!!

#5 Comment By chresident On December 30, 2007 @ 2:36 am

they r also known as the talibans and they should be evicted from this country

#6 Comment By moishe On December 30, 2007 @ 2:31 am

if they’re Israelis – send them back…
as the posuk says:

Lema’an yishmeu veyiru…

maspik….

ubiarto horo mikirbecho….

#7 Comment By joe On December 30, 2007 @ 1:41 am

This is poshut disgusting. I am not frum but this is very upseting to me because I want to become frum only but there are lots of fights yiddin to yiddin!

#8 Comment By bentche On December 30, 2007 @ 1:58 am

get these retards the heck out of usa back to palestine you crazy terrorists

#9 Comment By Frumpter On December 30, 2007 @ 2:02 am

Tzfatim, it’s enough already. You need to go home. You are no longer welcome in CH. Please leave peacefully before you end up in jail.

#10 Comment By A member of shomrim on scene On December 30, 2007 @ 1:25 am

Thanking the NYPD for the GREAT back

#11 Comment By Shlom Ber On December 30, 2007 @ 2:59 am

My how things have changed!

Remember when the tzfatim were honored by CH residents? Remember when they were heroes when they attacked Rabbi Krinsky in shul (only to be saved by Avraham Fried!).

Remember when they cracked open the skull of an elderly gentleman in shul?

Have you witnessed the ongoing embarrassment as they sing and dance whenever they please, disturbing hundreds of daily minyan goers in 770?
As long as the Yeshiva (rabbis Zarchi and Labkowsksy) INVITE Israeli bochurs to come from Israel — things will not change.

In fact, it is said, that they (hanahala) are hiding a note from the Rebbi which instructs them to abolish the Kevutza program!!

They didn’t listen–now these are the results.

#12 Comment By Trouble On December 30, 2007 @ 3:09 am

way to go shomrim!!!
post there pics ans their names and let the community you protect avenge you

#13 Comment By berel On December 30, 2007 @ 2:57 am

do you people realize what your all writing?? i mean what they did was bad and they not well behaved people at all.but the fact is there Jews and Jews shouldn’t say things you all just said… drop them in Palestine….. there Arabs….. do you guys see what your writing???

#14 Comment By Me On December 30, 2007 @ 3:22 am

First of all… this poster named Joe who is not frum sounds more like a bochur which all the yiddishisms…

Second, this whole thing is totally pathetic and everyone needs to get a grip…

#15 Comment By some ch person On December 30, 2007 @ 3:23 am

these guys are way out of hand. please go home.

770 was never ment to be a yeshivah.

#16 Comment By no more mrs nice guy On December 30, 2007 @ 3:37 am

yes there are sometimes when you have to be nice, but this is not one of them. fight fire with fire, its time to stand up for ourself.

#17 Comment By Not normal! On December 30, 2007 @ 4:33 am

hello, its bad enough we have the Blacks and their muggings, beatings etc. but now we’ve got jews too??

#18 Comment By mOTTEL On December 30, 2007 @ 7:08 am

they are only legal becausde WE give thempapers.
stopp iving them immigration papers!
before you now it the INS will investigate and shut down TTL and the legitimate genuine bochrim and yungerleit will suffer r”L

#19 Comment By so ticked !!! On December 30, 2007 @ 6:07 am

we need to contact the hanhala and discuss this with them. THIS CANNOT CONTINUE! they are making a mockery of us, and our community !!!

we need to get these sick terrorist bastards out of here!!!

#20 Comment By Boris On December 30, 2007 @ 7:51 am

Looks like there is one thing everybody can agree on–the Gabboim and Merkos, Sperlin and Rubashkin, lefties and some meshihisten- get rid of these lousy Tzfatim, kick them out of Crown Heights, and get them on the next flight to Israel. Let them terrorize the Hamas where they belong with their mommies and daddies.

#21 Comment By aussie mate On December 30, 2007 @ 8:26 am

i’m shocked! i thought the article was referring to goyim! despicable! why do the tzfatim pursue violence? yes, they are jewish, but if they don’t act like it, they have to do teshuva, and we have to tell them they are wrong! where is their ahavas yisroel? are we to stand by and watch our fellow jews beaten by jews!? we have to pick up our hand and stop us! the Rebbe does not approve of this, i’m sure! moshiach now

#22 Comment By Bob Newhart On December 30, 2007 @ 8:29 am

What would drive these individuals to attack Shomrim. Obviously, regardelss of the intentioned reason it is utterly despicable – but something drove (even in their own minds) these dudes to ambush Shomrim. What was it?
(Do they think Shomrim will clear out 770 for Merkos?)

#23 Comment By concerned parent On December 30, 2007 @ 8:47 am

Och un Vei! Are the blacks not as bad as we thought or are the Tzvatim worse? What is the message we are to deduct from this detailed article?

On a personal level, I’m worried for my children living in CH., and on a whole for everyone. I am not from CH. although Lubavitch, and it’s hard for me to phatom what’s going on in what used to be a Shechuna imbued with the right haskofos and “V’Ahavto Lreiacha Komocho” Caring, one YID to another. Who should they watch out for? OCH UN VEI!

#24 Comment By A non political member On December 30, 2007 @ 8:47 am

When I began reading the article my initial thought was that the shomrim were assulted by a gang of goyim. But, I discovered that it was the ‘Tzfatim’. They need to be refered by their correct name. “CHAMASNIKS”. Thy are violence without reason. The hanahalas hayeshiva has the capability of sending them back to Jenin and Ramlah. Call the hanahala. Knock on their doors. Stop donating to their causes. I do not think that either the gaboyim (whoever that may be) nor Yudel have the power or direct authority over these animals.
Have you ever noticed the similarity between the Hizballah flag and the Chamasniks? The two flags are nearly identical.
Get rid of these vermin now!

#25 Comment By out-of-towner On December 30, 2007 @ 9:00 am

the problem is, not EVERY bochur from tzfas is a rabble-rouser. how to know who are the “good guys” and who are the “bad guys?” i personally know a very aidel and learned tzfati bochur who would never be violent.

#26 Comment By Wake up yidden On December 30, 2007 @ 9:02 am

Labkowsky makes money on every israeli bocher that comes to CH why would he evict his cash horse???

#27 Comment By a concerned community member On December 30, 2007 @ 9:03 am

is it true that Leib Skoblo was there to have other yidden arrested?? and that Yossi Stern had a pen and paper instigating the tzfatim to go to the hospital

#28 Comment By c.h. resident On December 30, 2007 @ 9:10 am

are these guys stupid ( i mean of course they are…) if they try anything yudel now has the power to send them flying and get them blacklisted unless they want to become “martyrs” what are they trying to do????

#29 Comment By anon On December 30, 2007 @ 9:17 am

why arent they reported to the INS?
One phone call should take care of this.
Who is signing there papers and paying their tickets and upkeep?
These ‘tzfatim’ are an embarassment as to what we are.

#30 Comment By yocheved On December 30, 2007 @ 9:52 am

I think its time for us community member to sand up once and for all and seaport the yeshiva and merkoz even if we don’t like them the tfatim go to go now whether you’re a moischest or not lets get our community back

#31 Comment By who is in charge? On December 30, 2007 @ 10:20 am

lets give this some perspective.

749 is under the responsibilty of the self appionted vaad of lubavitcher yeshiva (mr gordetzki mr drizin mr drimmer mr zissmen and a few others)who only wanted the position to take the winestock money away from merkos.

they dont really care muh about 749 so they gave it to mendy hendel and yankel chazzan who turend it into a terror training camp

thats where the copier from which all the mishichist propaganda is printed is located thats where chabad info office is and much more

dont forget when they had all thier fights in 770 – the first call was to 749 and all the troops came running.

these are the same ppl that are behaind all the machloikes from the begining (eli cohen who was the court laison for the vaad of the yeshiva was there with mr lipskeir fighting the gabayin case and yankel spirtzer are all part of this team)

so lets call a spade a spade and let ppl know who the troble makers behaind the troble makers are

#32 Comment By chaim On December 30, 2007 @ 10:42 am

we as crown hights residents
want them out when krinsky
takes i cant wait to see them
being thrown out talibans are thay
are sick sick people
thay hurt the rebbes name and lubavitch

#33 Comment By Yossi On December 30, 2007 @ 10:45 am

Eirev rav!

Press charges, nu…?!

#34 Comment By CC Bilo On December 30, 2007 @ 10:52 am

“throw the jew down the well….”

#35 Comment By Nachman On December 30, 2007 @ 10:47 am

Go to the Soutrce of the Problem,

Kick out MM Hendel, the Bin Laden himself.

#36 Comment By go back to Tzfat !!!!! On December 30, 2007 @ 11:00 am

Not surprizing, those guys have serious issues to deal with. I was in Tzfat last year and there was a fight in a shul between one of them and a non-frum guy in middle of musaf

#37 Comment By dont like tzfatim On December 30, 2007 @ 11:11 am

please leave now! you are causing a chulul hashem, rabbonim in israel dont want to converty a meshichist! check out the story on http://www.nrg.co.il/online
its embarsing and get them out of here, tzfatim hendel, people are really getting sick of you guys! back off and leave

#38 Comment By Ima Hear On December 30, 2007 @ 11:19 am

Let’s not go too far. Singing and dancing are (at worse) mishigas we can put up with. Anyone who raises hands, steals property, or makes violent threats, must be permanently evicted from 770 and the community.

#39 Comment By CH Resident On December 30, 2007 @ 11:31 am

post thier names and pic and give it to the INS….. if you dont i will….deport them, if they another yid then all hands off

#40 Comment By disappointed On December 30, 2007 @ 11:31 am

With stories like this, It’s begining to look like our own kind has a part in rising crime.

#41 Comment By PLSHAVEAHAVASYISROEL On December 30, 2007 @ 11:34 am

Unfortunately it has become a common occurence in CH to have sholombayis issues, violence bein ish l’reihu that the NYPD has to get involved with, we all have to take a serious look because as they say when you cry wolf to often it is hard to get the proper protection you need, not that it makes the latest unresponses excusable. But aggression on this scale needs for each and everyone to look at themselves and say AD Mosai and do one good thing ( sometimes good things are reprimanding ) for another person today and everyday…..as long as it is with kindness

#42 Comment By mc On December 30, 2007 @ 11:37 am

round these hoodlooms, call the ins and send them back to tzfas. whomever supports these guys is part of them meaning any of the hanhola ect…i just sick of them..enough! it easy to spot them,,anyone with a yellow pin that looks like he belongs in a cave…im ready and able to volunteer my time and energy to round then up in a van for jfk,or the sea port to put them on a ship…

#43 Comment By cynic in Crown Heights On December 30, 2007 @ 12:12 pm

I don’t understand all these anti-Tsfatim comments.

YOU DON’T COUNT!

YOUR VOICE IS NOT HEARD! NO BODY CARES WHAT YOU THINK OR WANT!!!

GET IT??????

just save your breath & do what you have to do.

#44 Comment By no name On December 30, 2007 @ 11:51 am

everyone! calm down! look at what you all posted. its a true fact, but is all this lashon hara with names getting us anywere? are you not embaressed? yes, you can remain anonimous but is that the point? who are you fooling? anyone who said a name in the above comments, is purly the yetzer hara and you should be ashamed of yourselfs 4 exposing the “tzvasnichs” inside of you! to compare yidden with neshamos to hisballa, hamas… were have we come to? its a true uch in vey… if YOU want to do somthing about it, for real, do not post names to point fingers at! DO DO DO! do any of you the rebbes approach towards these things? do you think youll give the rebbe nachas? get of the computer and say alittle tehillem! or post what you think would actually work to get done… no more names

#45 Comment By Take a deep breath On December 30, 2007 @ 1:15 pm

Stop with this hysteria, before we do the whole evil Tzfati /Israeli /Mishechist /770 /Aguch/ terrorist /Lipsker/kill the Jew…… lets get a little perspective,

First off, despite my first hand experience of some Tzvatims extreme capability for violence, to be perfectly honest I sure there’s more to this story considering the source and Shomrims history with this group.

Secondly a Jew is our family a lubavitcer Bocher is our brother- even if there from Israel and although some of the tzvatim and the “bagel shop worker guys” shouldn’t be assisted with living in crown heights, the majority of Israeli Bocherim (and “even” the Mishechist ones) are Eidaleh Chasidihe Bocherim whom we can learn much from.

Now concerning 749 in particular, for as long back as anyone can remember the place has been a complete jungle, where the only way to get a bed is through inheritance or bullying, the reason why this hasn’t been resolved, and that known trouble makers are accepted is definitely because of political considerations on the part of certain members of Hanholah, but I don’t see how Slavin or Shpritzer come into the picture, Lipsker and the Gaboyim would definitely prefer that there not here (they completely disregard there authority) and Eli Cohen made a effort to control 749 for which he was physically attacked by these same Tzvatim.

So before we Slander individuals or groups of people lets put thing into perspective.

#46 Comment By CH Anash On December 30, 2007 @ 12:55 pm

TO “WHO’S IN CHARGE”:

Good try but you’ve got the wrong info. and are only repeating the lies you hear “upstairs”.

The vaad of the Yeshiva (as in Vaad of Merkos) is ultimately responsable but does not have “communist control” over people such as Labkovsky and Zarchi.

Those 2 continue giving every bachur an I-20 AGAINST THE ADVICE OF THE VAAD.

So, take up your politics with them.

#47 Comment By Ilana On December 30, 2007 @ 12:38 pm

Once everyone calms down…
start thinking about how these bochurim are, like it or not, part of our community for the time being, and certainly part of our non-immediate community of Lubavitchers. As such, we have to take some responsibility as fellow community members…making sure either, (yes), these boys are sent back to Israel, or we deal with them properly. I can’t throw names around like the other poster can, but as parents and as community members we need to collectively turn to those in charge and demand they take responsibility on our behalf.

They are Jewish. They are Lubavitch. We need to look at these boys with love, and with concern for THEM as well as us. As PART of us, rather.

#48 Comment By Enough On December 30, 2007 @ 12:29 pm

What a Chilul Hashem and Chilul Shem Lubavitch – as if we don’t have enough trouble!

#49 Comment By yossy h On December 30, 2007 @ 12:20 pm

most of the dibs are nice guy’s its a few of them who think they are g-d and can do what they when they want

#50 Comment By A SHCUNA RESIDENT On December 30, 2007 @ 12:37 pm

Let’s not totally blame one group as a whole. The reason why this happens is very simple. The lack of Ahavas Yisroel on both sides from the top on down. furthermore The gabboyim & the Hanholah bear direct responsibility for not taking control. Those wholift their hands must be thrown out & sent back to where they came from. If they are Residents of the Ch(not Bochurim) they must be told you cannot live here anymore & find another community to live in. All the money that has gone to lawyers & legal fees on both sides Is nothing but Gzailah.Money that has been stolen from Tzedokah & the public etc.It’s time to lay down the rule of law If these gabboyim & the Hanholah can’t due it then bring in someone who can This goes for anyone!!!!

#51 Comment By me On December 30, 2007 @ 1:31 pm

I think that we should try to have Ahavas Yisroel with every single jew.
Shalom Bayis
Shalom mis the keilim of all ythe brochas

#52 Comment By Neigbor On December 30, 2007 @ 1:54 pm

If we want the Taliban out, we must suppoet Agudas Chabad in their efforts with 770.

That will lead to resolving all the other issues.

#53 Comment By Im Not A Mother On December 30, 2007 @ 1:48 pm

my my watch your words please!!your making a fool of yourself the way your talking/writing

#54 Comment By HOLD YOUR HOSES AND CHILL A MINUTE!! On December 30, 2007 @ 1:41 pm

What is going on they are jews like you they can be where they want to be not where you want them to be!! and there are some nice tzfatim so why should you kick them all out thats not right!! maybe this has a little to do with the yishiva?? When something like this happens there should be rosh yeshiva(dorm counsler) should be there with them!!

#55 Comment By Anonymous On December 30, 2007 @ 3:33 pm

“For my people has committed two evils: They have forsaken Me, the Source of living waters, to dig for themselves cisterns, broken cisterns that cannot hold the water.” (Yeremiah 2:13)

I.e. Israel’s actions involve a double indignity: the abandonment of Hashem Per se, and the choice of such an inferior substitute.

I ask…

Why would anybody try to excuse/help/bail/synthesize/ and align them self with this group of thugs/terrorist/hoodlums and bullies etc…?
What is the Agenda?
Why are we letting them take Our Rebbe, OUR Community, OUR Home and OUR Children Hostage?
Why is it that every time someone does finally take action (whether it be Aguch or Shomrim or Just any body) agents these thugs/Terrorist/Hoodlums/Bullies it ends up that they are the ones defending themselves?

[Side note: if anybody out there thinks that what goes on in 770 (with the Tzvatim) has nothing to do with them is making a big mistake, the goal is to get in to your living room.

As I write this there are people (for example: Shemira- Yossi Stern- Yankle Shpritzer/Chanina) that Say they care about this community, These same people are doing all they can to get OUR dear Shomrim who give tooth and nail, Day and night for Our community Locket up in jail. Why aren’t they siding with Use (the community), why are they not siding with OUR Future, Why do they keep voting to destroy OUR community and any thing good in it? [side note: I would like to point out that the shimera in the past and present have had there problems with these same Tzvatim. Why are they now siding with them?Have they seen the light or do they have an agenda?]

#56 Comment By Anonymous On December 30, 2007 @ 3:40 pm

For all those that Still can’t understand how could this be happening, how can two Jews with holy Nishomas fight? etc…
I have this to say…
GET OVER YOUR SELF!
Ask…
What Can we do to stop this?
(atleast what CaN i do to help the people that are stopping it?)
How do we get ride of the people that are doing this to use?

STOP siding with the Bad guys!

When you say things like “it’s so sad” Why Can’t we all get along“ etc…
It’s like standing over a flat tire and saying Thihlim instead of getting down and dirty to change the tire.
It’s watching a child fall and get hurt and (you) screaming ”Yo vay” instead of helping him out!

#57 Comment By Name calling On December 30, 2007 @ 3:07 pm

It seems like these ‘tzfatim’ are a huge problem.
Despite wild and crazy behavior, it is reprehensible to call Jews ‘taliban, bin laden, terrorists, Arabs – but the most shocking…go back to Palestine? Palestine? (OBL would be proud of that one)
People, watch your comments..

#58 Comment By Menashe On December 30, 2007 @ 2:20 pm

I’m as upset as everyone else but –

Just like its nonsense to say, as alot of the velt unfortunately does, “Lubavitch is crazy look at those mishichisten” when we know it’s only a small and vocal minority –
It’s just as nonsensical to say that all Tzvatim are troublemakers as well. Happens to be many (most probably the majority) are good chassidishe bochurim that want nothing to do with the extremists.

Blanket solutions like “send them all home” won’t solve anything. That yeshiva needs to be more selective.

#59 Comment By who is in charge? On December 30, 2007 @ 2:31 pm

to anash:

rabbi zarchi and the hanhola have the central accounts which control 1414 – where there is a lot more seder and not much fighting (only a few genaivos that rabbi brod is supposed to stop)

the oweners of the 749 is that vaad.

as for the vaad of merkos – you see they are taking a stand now with the 770 case (they didnt do it till now to hold back on the chilul hashem but once mr lipskier inserted the gaboyin as a party they are taking it all the way) and now is the opertunity for mr gordetzki and crew to do the same.

#60 Comment By I used to be one of you! On December 30, 2007 @ 2:04 pm

The POSUK should say UBIARTO HATOV MIKERBECHA…..

I moved out of crown heights 5 years ago to the west coast and every time I read this nonesense it solidifies my decision to run while I still could!

ATTENTION GOOD PEOPLE: Get the heck out of your disgruntled, crime filled neighborhood and move on with life!

Take your good out of your evil infested neighborhood and bring all your positive aspects to a neighborhood that is worthy of you!

RUN WHILE YOU STILL CAN! RUN BEFORE ANOTHER RIOT, MUGGING AND CHAS VESHOLOM DEATH happens to YOU or someone close to you!

#61 Comment By Former ch 69 On December 30, 2007 @ 4:48 pm

it’s a matter of time before these towel heads are tossed out for good Shomrim Units keep up the good work

#62 Comment By Sad On December 30, 2007 @ 4:30 pm

The comments allowed so far on this article are obviously from people who have no idea what the Rebbe stands for. What a disgrace to talk like you do about another Jew, no matter what they are doing that you don’t like! And this site should be ashamed of the language that is published in these comments and the censorship of all opposing comments (first-hand knowledge, so no use in denying it.) Of course this also won’t be published…

#63 Comment By two wrongs don-t make a right On December 30, 2007 @ 4:05 pm

Has nobody here ever learned the pirkei avos?

“Hevei mitalmidav shel aharon, ohev es habriyos umekarvan latorah”

Even if their briyos- nothing is going for them besides that they are HKB”H’s creations, it is our responsibility to be mekarev them.

Yes they were wrong, and there should be ramifications and consequences, but k’she mitzva l’snausa mitzva l’ahava gam kein!

#64 Comment By S G Crown heights resident On December 30, 2007 @ 2:26 pm

while I wasn’t there for this fight or most of the others, I think that just as we came together (to a large extent) for the police meeting, it is time for US as a community to come together and make an honest attempt to rectify the situation. WE have to put politics aside and realize that there are a small group of troublemakers that are causing serious issues in OUR community and it is our responsibility to do something about it! All this name calling and blame throwing will get us nowhere.
WE HAVE TO COME TOGETHER AS A WHOLE AND FIX THIS PROBLEM ONCE AND FOR ALL !!!!!

#65 Comment By hmm… On December 30, 2007 @ 2:57 pm

perhaps this is what the mishna means when it says “ilmolei moro-o ish es rei-eihu chayim…”

Een if you dissagree with aguch/merkos/etc. crown heights/770/the yeshiva are all better of with them than without them

#66 Comment By Hello whut are we? On December 30, 2007 @ 3:54 pm

i always think of moshiach and say we are ready for it…………but now that i see that the jews are not just fighting with arrabs ect…but also other jews.now if we want mshiach to come we need to do one hell of a job.becuse as of now we are stuck in “golos”and the lnger we are in “golos” the pride ect… of being jewish will get harder!!!!!!!

#67 Comment By mswish On December 30, 2007 @ 3:23 pm

everyone knows what they can do about this. those who don’t know what to do, can do Ahavas Yisroel. Others can think sanely and decide what the way is to deal with this. ITS ABOUT THE REBBE don’t any of you see that? These “Tzefatim” are looking for fights because they are dealing with other issues in their lives and they need a good fight once in a while. They can’t possibly believe that this is what the Rebbe wants. Once we all decide that, then we will remember that the Rebbe OFTEN used the term B’DERECH NOAM. This is just the opposite of kavod to the Rebbe. NO MATTER WHAT HOW MUCH THEY NEED TO FIGHT AND STRUGGLE, THEY DON’T KNOW WHAT THE REBBE REALLY WANTS. If they cared about the Rebbe, they would not do this!!!!!!!!

#68 Comment By distressed,in tears On December 30, 2007 @ 3:55 pm

yidden!we are all brothers!
this whole article sounds like were back in the dark ages!!!!!!
CH is the rebbes home-kedusha
ad mosai!~moshiach,you must come right now~no joke.
all yidden,im speaking to your hearts,you no deep down that you want peace and moshiach,listen 2 your concience!!!!!!!!

#69 Comment By Name calling On December 30, 2007 @ 3:08 pm

It seems like these ‘tzfatim’ are a huge problem.
Despite wild and crazy behavior, it is reprehensible to call Jews ‘taliban, bin laden, terrorists, Arabs – but the most shocking…go back to Palestine? Palestine? (OBL would be proud of that one)
People, watch your comments..

#70 Comment By ALL FOR NORMAL ISRAELIS On December 30, 2007 @ 5:09 pm

WITHOUT READING ALL THE ABOVE COMMENTS – FOR LACK OF TIME AND PATIENTS, I AGREE IT’S WRONG TO STOOP TO THE LEVEL OF THESE OUT OF CONTROL GUYS BY CALLING THEM NAMES ETC. YES THEY ARE STILL JEWS, AFTER ALL IS SAID AND DONE. THE PROBLEM IS THEY ARE MISGUIDED AND THERE IS NO LEADERSHIP IN 770 FOR THEM TO HAVE TO LISTEN TO AND ABIDE BY THEIR RULES. IF THEY REFUSE THE “HANHALA SHOULD PHYSICALLY TAKE ONE OR TWO OF THEM AND PUT THEM ON A PLANE BACK TO ISRAEL. YOU’LL BE AMAZED HOW FAST THE REST WILL SHAPE UP WHEN THEY SEE YOU MEAN BUSINESS. THEY WERE ALLOWED TO RUN WILD UNTIL NOW AND ARE STIL ALLOWED TO DO SO. IT USED TO BE THAT THEY ADDED A CHAYOS TO 770 BUT THEY GOT TOO INVOLVED IN POLITICS WHERE THEY HAVE NO BUSINESS BEING.

#71 Comment By TO DOV…………a lubav girl On December 30, 2007 @ 4:24 pm

TO DOV:
HOW DARE U CALL IT OURRRRRR REBBE?THE REBBE HANDPICKED HIS CHASSIDISM DONT GO AND DECIDE WHOA A CHOSSID AND WHO IS NOT ! AND TAKE ONE MINUTE,IF U WANT TO GET THE REBBE INVOLVED,TAKE ONE MINUTE TO IMAGINE THE REBBE READING WHAT U WROTE…WOLD HE BE PROUD?
IN THE BOOK“PRINCE IN PRISON” THE FREIDICKER REBBE WAS SAYING HO HE WAS ABLE TO FINDTHE GOOD IN A JEWISH KGB OFFICER..BUT U CANT FIND GOOD IN ANOTHER LUBAVITCHER..OR WHATEVER U CONDISER THEM?

#72 Comment By can-t believe it! On December 30, 2007 @ 5:13 pm

this must be stopped!!! enough’s enough!

#73 Comment By Why this way?! On December 30, 2007 @ 2:45 pm

I am not sure what I am more in-shock from.
The actual ordeal last night? Or the obscenities being thrown from Jews to Jews?
We talk like this about our enemies…and sometimes not even.
To “fight fire with fire” is the absolute wrong thing. Where did you learn? in Lubavitch? the Rebbe’s Sichos? Or maybe in college and from some American psychologists?

Things can be thrown at you from all sides, yet it is YOUR DECISION the way to react to what you are given.
The obviouslly incorrect way to act- is what we all see above.
We don’t curse Yidden out. They are brothers.
Yes, they did something horribly wrong. Yes, they are acting immoraly…It is therefore our job to do something about it.
Not to curse and scream. But to HELP.
I am positive that every single person who commented on here- who is “so-to-say-helping” by yelling obscenities, did not do one actual thing to help.
Go get some Mashpia for them.
Go sit down with them and talk…Show them what’s right and wrong.
WHy curse them out?
Why add fuel to the fire?
We aren’t AGAINST eachother…even if the other party seems to be against us.

How do you think the Geulah will come about? By us reacting to such things the way we did?!
(Yes, they need to do their part…but we need to react appropriately.)
We have enought tzuros…enough tragedies…Try to prevent future ones.
All of us!

May we be zoche to hear only good news.

#74 Comment By who is in charge? On December 30, 2007 @ 2:36 pm

to take a deep breath:

the connection to these ppl and 749 is very simple,

all along when spritzer cohen hendel chazzan and gaboyim to fight the establishment and orginaztions the rebbe put in place they built up and used these tzsfatim and now its turning back on them cuz they cant control the beast they created. so its only a jungel cus the let and are letting it happen – if they want to they could evict them and make it normal

#75 Comment By nissim On December 30, 2007 @ 2:37 pm

B“H
I’m a mishichist. I believe VERY strongly that the Rebbe, MH”M wants us to say ‘yechi.’ This is the will of The Messiah.
This violence is horrible and definitley against the will of the Rebbe, MH”M.
Any Jew who gets violent over the possible Aguch win over 770 is foolish and not a real ‘mishichist.’
Raising a hand to another Jew causes you to be called: ‘wicked,’ ‘a rasha.’
I would NEVER raise my hand (I’m strong) against another Jew.
If a mishichist feels this is a terrible event (Aguch winning) he/she should sit down and cry. This is Galus. If Aguch doesn’t fulfill the will of the Rebbe then they’re foolish and are involved with child’s play. I spoke with one well-known Aguch member who said saying ‘yechi’ hurts Lubavitch. I asked him to write up a list of its negative impact and gave him a few weeks. Three weeks later not list.
The reason he thinks its hurting Lubavitch is, since we’re all not saying it, knowing it’s true, we look weak and divided. Therefore the ‘outside’ world (Jews) think the yechinicks are sick or crazy.
Unified we would come across very differently.
A true ‘believer’ and chassid sits down and cries if they really want Moshiach. They don’t hit Jews.
It’s also unproductive and no good will come of it. It only increases anger, hostitlity, hurt and causes angry counter measures.
B R A I N L E S S, H E A R T L E S S!
I usually leave my name. There’s no Mitzvah to bring yourself or your children to any harm.
The troublemakers should be dealt with the way the Rebbes would deal with it.

#76 Comment By Anonymous On December 30, 2007 @ 5:44 pm

hmmm wrote (above)
“Even if you dissagree with aguch/merkos/etc. crown heights/770/the yeshiva are all better of with them than without them”
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE I can’t express myself enough,
EXPLAIN YOURSELF (??????!!!!!)

#77 Comment By student On December 30, 2007 @ 6:13 pm

a fellow yid? some of you keep using that line loosely. i am a twelth grade student in bais rivkah high school, i have just taken together with my entire grade a gemer on chumash shemos. im sure you have all heard of it. let me refer you to the golden calf. i believe a group of yidden stood up and attacked(killed) chur, their fellow yid. were they not punished? were they not killed? did moshe who was the rebbe of all rebbes not punish them himself? okay before ppl start posting how off i am im not saying they should be killed! look deeper into what i am saying please. not always does this fellow yidden line apply, sometimes ppl are wrong,sometimes actions must be taken and its okay its fine! this has been going on for many years and this has caused much damage to the whole community in so many different ways. thats all i really needa say i just wanted to piont that out. you cant find a right when it comes to them. and something really foolish some of you have been saying is there are “tzfatis” who are aidele bochurim. just because they live in tzfat doesnt make them tzfatis and i think you know that.

#78 Comment By Anonymous On December 30, 2007 @ 6:48 pm

To Student (the 12 grade):

Very well said.
You comment will be saved in my folder called “great comments”.

#79 Comment By Anonymous On December 30, 2007 @ 7:13 pm

A lubab girl wrote:
“HOW DARE U CALL IT OURRRRRR REBBE?”
Reply:
Whats the problem?
If I tell my brother stop doing what you are doing because you are making fool of OUR Father, hows that wrong?

Lubad girl:
“DONT GO AND DECIDE WHOA A CHOSSID AND WHO IS NOT !”

Reply:
Were in my comments did I say that.
Let me NOW add. These people (that lift hand) are not Mentchim (they are acting like animals).
Now if you can be a Chassid with out being a mentch then I made a mistake. Sorry!

Lubab girl wrote:
“TAKE ONE MINUTE TO IMAGINE THE REBBE READING WHAT U WROTE…WOLD HE BE PROUD?”

Reply:
Take one minute and Imagine what the Rebbe would say about me and you (were in this one together) wasting our time on the internet looking at news sites etc… (I’m sure you’re not just using the Web for chabad.org). Now, I’m no Tzatik and I’m not pretending to be one, but the truth I know (call a spade a spade) If the Rebbe was alive today he would say the same Sichos that he said about TV on the Internet (were all the same Guilty when it comes to this Idea).

lubad girl wrote:
“IN THE BOOK“PRINCE IN PRISON” THE FREIDICKER…”

Reply:
My mother always used to say (untill I got married I didn’t understand what she meant) “Life is not a book”,
After the fact the Freidicker Rebbe was able to find a lesson he was able to learn from this KGB man, After the fact When they (the Tzvatim) are gone I will also find somthing good in them.

Lubab Girl wrote:
“BUT U CANT FIND GOOD IN ANOTHER LUBAVITCHER..OR WHATEVER U CONDISER THEM?”

Reply:
We are not talking about a Lubavitcher here, b/c I don’t find anywere in Chabad Teachings about beating and arrasing people.
If you can do use the honers and find me one good thing about what they do (somthing I can give over to my children: somthing I can’t find in a better [positive] places).

#80 Comment By Anonymous On December 30, 2007 @ 7:38 pm

On May 7, 1931, the most sensational manhunt New York City had ever known had come to it’s climex. After weeks of search, “Two Gun” Crowley—the killer,
the gunman who didn’t smoke or drink—was at bay, trapped in his sweetheart’s apartment on West
End Avenue.

One hundred and fifty policemen and detectives laid siege to his top-floor hideaway. They chopped holes in
the roof; they tried to smoke out Crowley, the “cop killer,” with tear gas. Then they mounted their machine
guns on the surrounding buildings, and for more then an hour one New York’s fine residential areas reverberated with the crack of pistol fire and the rat-tat-tat of machine guns. Crowley, crouching behind an overstuffed chair, fired incessantly at the police. Ten
thousand excited people watched the battle. Nothing like it had ever been seen before on the sidewalks of New York.

When Crowley was captured, Police Commissioner E.P. Mulroney declared that the two-gun desperado was one of the most dangerous criminals ever encountered in the history of New York. “He will kill,“ said
The Commissioner, ”at the drop of a feather.“

But how did ”Two Gun“ Crowley regard himself?
We know, because while the police were firing into his apartment, he wrote a letter addressed ”To whom it
may concern.“ And, as he wrote, the blood flowing from his wounds left a crimson trail on the paper. In
his letter Crowley said:

”Under my coat is a weary
heart, but a kind one—-one that would do nobody any harm.“

A short time before this, Crowley had been having a party with his girl friend on a country road out
on Long Island. Suddenly a policeman walked up to the car and said: ”Let me see your license.

Without saying a word, Crowley drew his gun and cut the policeman down with a shower of lead. As the dying officer fell, Crowley leaped out of the car,
grabbed the officer’s revolver, and fired another bullet into the prostrate body. And that was the killer who said:

“Under my coat is a weary heart, but a kind one—-one that would do nobody any harm.”

[Crowlet was sentenced to the electric chair. When he arrived at the death house in Sing Sing, did he say,
“This is what I get for killing people”? NO, he said: “This is what I get for defending myself.”

The point of the story is this: “Two Gun“ Crowley Didn’t blame himself for anything.

That is the usual attitude amongst criminals!!!]

To add:
Don’t blame the Attacker, blame the victim! Because ”Under ther coat is a weary heart (soul/nishama), but a kind one—-one that would do nobody any harm.“
They mean well, they don’t want to hurt you they really want to hug you. If only you would have enough Love this would not happen. So the next time they slap or bunch you just turn the other cheek and say ”I LOVE YOU“ too, ”L’Chaim“, ”Yechi Hamelech“, ”Moshiach Now!”.

#81 Comment By a crownheightser On December 30, 2007 @ 7:37 pm

Poor yitzy Vail….. Did not deserve
this…. What Chutzpa!!!!! Who do they think they are anyway??? The Rebbe
would be very disappointed…..

#82 Comment By dovid klein On December 30, 2007 @ 7:06 pm

Why have you blurred the miserable tossers face???

They should be uncovered for what they are: Terrorists!!!!

#83 Comment By Normal Yid On December 30, 2007 @ 7:08 pm

Half of you people sound like good followers of the guy whose birthday is on 25 December. How can you advocate putting up with violence wherever it comes from? Bochrim are in Crown Heights to learn not dance and fight. I remember how upset the Rebbe was when a number of bochrim stood outside 770 waiting for the seforim to return rather then sitting learning. And you “Jews for J” say to leave them alone since they are Lubavitcher bochrim. Shame on you all.

#84 Comment By crown heights is #1 On December 30, 2007 @ 7:03 pm

crown heights is starting to look like eretz yirael i mean we are prety close to having a civil-war,riot but this time its not going to the shvartes against the jews its going to be the jews v.s jews and historicaly civil wars amongs the jew came back to hunt us

#85 Comment By Devora On December 30, 2007 @ 6:46 pm

This website is becoming a tool to help split Lubavitch. I think it is time for all to re-consider and really think about what you are reading, and what you are filling your hearts and minds with!
Journalism… a sick tool, the sickness is catchy, it is spreading a cancer into an already divided community.
People, ENOUGH, how much more of this do we need? What is going to wake you all up? Another accident? Another death?
Stop publishing things that nothing is going to be done about them. G-d will take care of those that need to be taken care of.
All you are doing is riling people up, and giving them the chance to spew more sickness to more people!
STOP! STOP! STOP!

#86 Comment By MAJORLY ANNYNOMOUS! On December 30, 2007 @ 6:36 pm

Did anyone forget…their jewish…
They can punch, hurt. But their jewish….they need help yes. But…chill. jews agains jews…WE DO NOT WANT THAT DO WE????

WOW.

#87 Comment By distraught On December 30, 2007 @ 5:51 pm

oy vey! my kishkes are beeing torn out! where is the love that so badly needs to be displayed in our terrible galus?! How can there be such separation amongst Am Yisrael to lead us to calling each other such unthinkable names. We need Moshiach NOW!

#88 Comment By Areye Leib Krayzman On December 30, 2007 @ 5:35 pm

wow its so nice we only get one side of the story. the shomrim we’re ambushed.I’m sure they were perfect angels when they arrived at the dorm. the shomrim are all inoccent , =) i’m sure there is two sides to this story. Just like the story of the pluaque. Ahavas Israel people!! don’t judge until you reach someones shoes. dont we want moshiach? speaking loshan hora wont bring him any faster sinas chinum i would like to say is what i’m seeing on these posts today =(

#89 Comment By smicha- shlichus bochur On December 30, 2007 @ 7:59 pm

the bochurim which are acting in this way are 100 percent wrong, we have to tell them nicely not through screaming or fighting back, nevertheless, we have to harsh with them e.g. as we all know it is forbidden to speak during davenning, do you know what the ALTER REBBE says about this? “ there has to be one person in shul who will reprimand them in harsh tones,” so here, there should be one person chosen to reprimand them in the same way to help them to return to the proper path! hatzlocha rabbah MOSHIACH NOW!

#90 Comment By Fed Up With CHers On December 30, 2007 @ 8:53 pm

By the way everyone’s talking, I’d expect a full riot outside 749, complete with burning torches and all. But of course, being that this is a forum mainly commented on by CHers, absolutely nothing will happen, ‘cuz you idiots are ALL TALK, NO ACTION!!!! If you feel this strongly about the issue, do something about it!! If you’re not ready to do anything, SHUT UP!!!!

#91 Comment By MOSHE L ( I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN CH) On December 30, 2007 @ 8:18 pm

PLEASE PLEASE POST THE PICTURES OF THESE “TERRORISTS” !lET THE VIEWERS RECOGNIZE THESE MEN (SO CALLED BUCHURIM) IN THE STREETS.LET THE COMMUNITY NOTICE THESE INDIVIDUALS AND TREAT THEM APPROPRIATLY WHENEVER POSSIBLE.lET THESE ACTS OF VIOLENCE AND INTIMIDATION NOT GET ANY WORSE.
HAVE THEM ARRESTED AND DEPORTED.
I CAN NOT BELIEVE AS MANY OTHERS CANT THAT WE AS A COMMUNITY HAVE ALLOWED THIS TO ESCALATE TO WHAT IT IS NOW WIHTOUT HAVEING PUT AN END TO THIS.
i REMEBER WHEN GOING TO DAVEN OR TO LEARN OR TO SIMPLY HAVE A FARBRENGEN IN 770 WAS SOMETHING WE ALL LOOKED FORWARD TO. I NOW HATE (I REPEAT HATE AS MANY OTHERS DO) GOING TO ANYTHING THAT HAS 770 INVOLVED.THIS I ATTRIBUTE TO NOT GIMMEL TAMMUZ , AND NOT TO THE GABBOYIM BUT SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE TERRORISTS THAT THIS ARTICLE IS ALL ABOUT.
GET RID OF THEM RID RID RID!! GET THEM OUT OF HERE!!!!!!!!!

#92 Comment By Oholei Torah Zal On December 30, 2007 @ 11:29 pm

very well put, this article is very important for people to read, not everyone knows what goes on with these tzfati terrorists, these bochurim are responsible for a lot of the politics that exist here in crown heights, and they are also a very bad example for the future generation of lubavitch, kids these days get the wrong impression of what yechi and moshiach mean to chabad lubavitch the way the rebbe taught his chasidim.
these bochurim dont follow the rebbe’s ways, they just do what they see best fit according to their bogus ideas of what the rebbe and moshiach is all about.
they do not represent lubavitch in any way what-so-ever, and people dont know that. the only answer and solution to all this, is to send all these guys to psychologists that will explain to them their problem and help them get over it.
the main thing is that moshiach should come right now and hashem will send every one a refuah shelaima, and we will all see the truth the way it is.

#93 Comment By concerned mother On December 30, 2007 @ 10:11 pm

As for the above story, While I do understand th epeople who get angry at the hatred in th ecomments – we must also not be blind – we need to take care of the problem before it affects our childrenand infiltrates our community further. And while I do believe in freedom of speech, religous beliefs etc, we ( the CH community) havr to protect ourselves. Remember this is not their community, this is ours. We should gladly welcome any yidden who wish to live and contribute positively to Ch- but those who do not – please go where you belong – home. We have enough problems within CH – we do not need any more.

#94 Comment By chrup On December 31, 2007 @ 12:03 am

click on th link. whats the difference from those in the pic and those in the dorm???……………………NOTHING!
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/

#95 Comment By chana On December 30, 2007 @ 11:10 pm

thank you soo much shomrim…we are very soory what happened to you!!

#96 Comment By MK On December 31, 2007 @ 12:33 am

i think we’d all be better off if we DIDN’T publicize negative behavior of other yidden, because- check out the comments. publicizing stuff like this only adds anger and divisiveness in our community, and if I remember correctly, we need to say good stuff about each other to bring Moshiach.

Granted, violence is not okay, but neither is public assault on Jewish neshamas who may just need some help.

#97 Comment By chrup! On December 31, 2007 @ 12:02 am

look at a terrorist, then look at one of these “tzfatim”…..theres no difference at all! so big deal, one speaks hebrew and one speaks arabic….brothers frm another mother! animals!!! post their pics! they dont deserve to remain anonymous. show these animals for who they are!

#98 Comment By Let-s stop the nonsense already On December 30, 2007 @ 11:43 pm

Do we have any leadership? How does a society run without government? How does a ship sail without a captain? How do we expect to have a upright, fine community
, where we can raise a future generation of chassidim when we don’t have leaders whom we automatically turn to, who will lead us on the proper path instead of clutching each others throats and calling each other names?

Think about all the other issues over the past year which racked up a hundred plus comments (except perhaps the matisyahu “issue”) – why don’t we have leaders which represent and can intervene and make decisions on behalf of the entire community? If you haven’t realized yet, take this opportunity so we won’t need another disaster like this and another – we must have leaders which REPRESENT US ALL and are strong enough to make decisions without caving in to the many troublemakers and slanderers in our community.

There will be no hope for crown heights, until we make a council which is voted in by EVERY JEWISH RESIDENT in the area who cares to vote, and with our neighborhood divided into districts, each electing their own representative, to prevent the current custom of electing gangs with the full ranks, as we have been doing until now.

#99 Comment By anti terrorist On December 30, 2007 @ 6:02 pm

why did the tzfati cross the shvil? To beat up the Rebbe’s shomrim.

#100 Comment By student On December 30, 2007 @ 11:00 pm

excuse me fed up with crown heightsers who do you think you are putting down our community. we live in the Rebbes shchunah kan siva hashem es habrocha and that is exactly why we are all so mad. we are mad because our great community has fallen into pieces and it is mostly these peoples fault. ofcourse nothing will be done because its not in our hands to do anything. we have no power. and unfortuently no say. if we would i believe that around 5 years ago when they brokie into a member of the communities house and held down his wife and kids while they beat at him we would have done something. then those in charge choose not to do anything and now those in charge will do the same im sure. THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH US CHers! we are outraged and want them out

#101 Comment By Ad Mosai? On December 30, 2007 @ 10:39 pm

Brace Brace Brace. I am sick with worry whats going to happen in this community to wake us all up, Chas v’sholam! I guess Sydney was too far away for us to learn what they have in the past week.

#102 Comment By Achdus Now On December 30, 2007 @ 11:04 pm

“get these retards the heck out of usa back to palestine you crazy terrorists
we need to get these sick terrorist bastards out of here!!!”

ONE AVERA LEADS TO ANOTHER.violence is intolerable. how can the above quotes be said about another fellow jew. what amazes me is how low this community has fallen. Jew against jew. jews dragging jews to a secular court to prove who owns and has authority over 770. I think it’s pathetic. and you, all o f you who dsisregasrds his fellow and insults him with deragatory names. shame on you.

you are the bearers for the at risk teenager/adult who views this as another hypocracy,and sham. An additional ammo against a frum lifestyle.

Yes something peaceful needs to be done. what is happening is revolting.
youir quotes are being read. take personal responsibility. it might be one of your own reading it!!!!

Moshiach Now!!! Ad Masi!!
I pity all of you
Am Yisrael Chai

#103 Comment By outsider looking in On December 31, 2007 @ 8:11 am

I will graciously admit that I do not know all the background and politics involved in this case, as I do not live in the immediate area, but what I can say, from my outsider’s point of view, is that the comments that are being made in reference to this article are certainly not very kiddishkeit.

How can we, who are taught that deep down, a Jew is a Jew is a Jew is a Jew, talk about our brothers like this? Is this a lesson we want to teach our children? No, I think not.

We may not agree with the way that they do things, but do we agree with the way a reform Jew spends Shabbos? No, we do not, yet we do not jump onto a forum and post that they are retards, that they are sick, that they should be expelled from the area.. we instead try to reach out to them, and turn them towards a better path.

Perhaps it should be so with this as well, and failing that, then, and only then, should we seek to have these people legally deported to their country of origin.

It makes me terribly sad to hear these types of things from our community.. it’s shameful.

#104 Comment By Observer On December 31, 2007 @ 10:43 am

Ah finally Yitzy vail in the news..
but I guess better luck next time lol

#105 Comment By elchonon On December 31, 2007 @ 5:59 am

Churp,
The difference is that I have 2 dead neighbers in chevron hy’d… and another 10 friends butcherd by arab terrorists.. dont use the comparsion lightly.. it may be your out of touch with reality, but the arabs try to kill me all day.

I honestly dont see why everyone is screaming, this occured inside “their” building..imagine if the tzfatim went into merkos offices ?

#106 Comment By CHT On December 31, 2007 @ 8:38 am

Please, do not overgeneralize. Most of the Tzfatim are very nice people. Those bandids do not represent them all.

#107 Comment By Yoseph Yitzchak On December 31, 2007 @ 7:42 am

Where are all their protectors who say Ahavas Yisroel???????

#108 Comment By ….. On December 31, 2007 @ 11:34 am

such achilul hashem (chilul chabad)
look at joe and concerned parent they are not frum and they read this article and they is these jews or what?
to berel
they are nuts and they act like goyim i think that we have the right to say this!

#109 Comment By Resident On December 31, 2007 @ 1:31 pm

The problem here is that there is an element of the Crown Heights Jewish society that is physically threatening the lives of people. Regardless of whether or not they say Yechi,where they are from, etc, etc,..WE CAN NOT simply blame ourselves for not being loving, non judgemental of them, etc. We need to feel safe on our streets, in our mikvehs, etc. I for one DO NOT say Yechi and I dont want my family, my children attacked for it.

If the leadership simply sit back, hang out and get caught up in this “I love you…lets have you criminals over for shabbos dinner” game, then they should be worthy OF BEING BOOTED OUT OF THEIR JOBS AND held accountable as accessories to these crimes.

As far as comparing this incident to reaching to reform Jews, etc…THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT MOST REFORM JEWS WOULD NOT DO WHAT THESE GANGSTERS DO.

WAKE UP AND FACE THE REALITY

#110 Comment By chabadnik On December 31, 2007 @ 2:43 pm

Okay all! Let’s get hyped up and sweaty! Down with shomrim! Expel the taliban!

Let’s post a thousand comments about who we like and hate, and who’s right and wrong on all the Chabad websites and whoever else has the scoop.

Of course all of our comments are drastically going to affect the turnout of the situation. (sarcasm intended.) Maybe if we write how much we hate tzfatim or how much we hate shomrim something will actually happen to them!!!

Sorry Buster.

There are the people who respect the work of the Shomrim, and heard a story about bochurim throwing benches, and are bothered by it and want peace.

There are also people who respect the ideals of the mishichistin, and heard stories about Lubavitchers who are not so chassidish that pick fights. And of course they want tolerance for the tzfatim.

Both of these groups visit both of the websites, read both versions of the story, claim that the other is biased, wrong and full of hate, and post comments of insult and anger that are generally futile except for rousing public fury.

So before you post your own comment, realize that it’s as futile as the rest, and you’re only satisfying your own lust for revenge against whichever one of the involved groups that your resent.

#111 Comment By to elchanan On December 31, 2007 @ 2:16 pm

you are wrong do i need to remind you who killed rabbi bistritzky the rov of tzfas? or do u just not know whats going on if so keep quiet

#112 Comment By shaina On December 31, 2007 @ 11:41 am

i just read on shmais that a muslim boy that had a muslim father but a jewish mother i thoght such a kiddus hashem but then iread this i said what?
whats happening?
those boys are not normmal they are making a real chilul hashem!
cant stand it!

#113 Comment By To: An Outsider Looking In On December 31, 2007 @ 11:47 am

They are not retards they are evil.
YOU however are a retard!

#114 Comment By To: Outsider Looking In On December 31, 2007 @ 11:45 am

How can you call an ambush and severe beating of Shomrim members a disagreement of the way they do things? Do you have kids? Do you not tell them what is good and what is bad? I have kids if they ever witness or hear about such a thing I will surely tell them these are bad people and they belong in prison!

#115 Comment By YudaLe On December 31, 2007 @ 5:53 pm

The Rebbe always said “Hent in Bnei Brak”!!

This is a powerful story because when the “Tzfatim” came on my mitzvah tank this Chanukah and wanted to settle a dispute with 14 year old OT Mesivta boys who pirated a yellow flag door to door while in motion on 5th Avenue.

I wanted to have them arrested after being warned to step off my RV.

However Shomrim came running asking me not to have them given over to goyim! I claimed that they had the freedom to leave before the police arrive.

Shomrim really care for them as Jew to Jew, but now the matter is taken to the next stage.

#116 Comment By Shnitzel On December 31, 2007 @ 6:46 pm

Yeah shomrim really are amazing, they I always see them helping people….they have hearts, they care…its amazing to see…I am truly thankful.

#117 Comment By Fan On December 31, 2007 @ 6:23 pm

Thank you CrownHeights.info for writing the truth not like the sites who wrote lies, thank you to all the shomrim members!

#118 Comment By gertie On December 31, 2007 @ 5:46 pm

Tzfatim please stop this instint!:( Show your face to the world and say I Tzfatim member did a lot of things wrong and Im sorry , then people wont be afraid of you ! Tzfatim , how would you feel if people did this to you ? And we all think you should say sorry to Reb Yitzy Vail for taking everything away from him ! Tzfatim Stop Doing this Now , Your Not Helping To Bring Moshiach !!

#119 Comment By was there On December 31, 2007 @ 3:41 pm

to Student
they sre not called tzfatim because they come from tzfat they come from different places in israel but have learnt in the big moshiach yeshivah in tzfat (there is aproxx 500 bochurim in that yeshiva on a yearly bases) and so thay adopt the name tzfati or in other words terrorist

#120 Comment By bentche On December 31, 2007 @ 6:06 pm

for all those posting comments how appaled they are at the calling of names

im not saying its right, but come back to me and tell me the same thing sfter you got beat up by one of these thugs or seen one of them pull another shliachs testicles whos hand had to be bit to stop him these ppl. are not your avrage tough guys there inhumane

#121 Comment By SHOMRIM FAN On December 31, 2007 @ 3:55 pm

to chabadnik
im not sure if you were there but i clearly remember getting hit with a BENCH and an IGROS KODESH in 770 that was thrown by a TZFATI NOT from a SHOMRIM member i would have gotten hurt preaty bad if that SHOMRIM member did not get in the way of a nother BENCH and some SEFORIM that was thrown in my direction.
Shomrim is the best thing to happen to crown heights, and people dont appreciate what they have till they lose it so on behalf of everyone i would like to thanks shomrim for what they do 24 hours a day 7 days a week
THANK YOU!

#122 Comment By Misnagid On December 31, 2007 @ 7:39 pm

Aren’t the CH Mishschistim “feeding” the Tzfasim and helping the promote their agenda

#123 Comment By Isaac Hazan On December 31, 2007 @ 7:57 pm

There is no doubt, that the real problem here are the Tzfatim and they must be immediately deported. They are a dangerous terrorist lot .They have no leaders to guide them and are harmful-(not just a menace) to society . Aguch must employ all their political influence and connections to force these people out of the USA and blacklist them . The famous Tzfat Moshiachist Rosh Yeshiva must be reprimanded and a formal band (Cheirem )should be placed on these undesirable characters.They only perform these acts of violence ,because they are not accountable to anyone We are to blame for not ousting them out of our midst.

#124 Comment By MORONS On December 31, 2007 @ 8:18 pm

points to ponder:
A: theses tzfatim say and believe with every bone in their bodies that the rebbe is physically with us, now if the rebbe was truly standing in 770 why are they throwing benches? why are they beating up shomrim next door to 770?

B: All of you commentators are being complete oximorons you say how can you call tzfatim hamas and terrorists

C: you talk about ahavas yisroel being th ekey to bringing moshiach, so why dont you go out on mivtzoim or go learn or daven instead of wasting time

D: instead of cursing each other go say tehillim here are a few names to have in mind Ilana leah bas shaindel rochel
Chaya Mushka Bas Mattel
Chaim shumel Ben Ilana
KOL CHOLIE AM YISROEL

I rest my case!!!!!!!

#125 Comment By MK On December 31, 2007 @ 10:50 pm

How sad it is that we’re cursing out fellow Yidden!
No matter what the situation, don’t go and call a Jew a terrorist!

#126 Comment By bentche On January 1, 2008 @ 4:55 pm

to MK

define to me what a terrorist is :

is it not someone who terrorizes other people ?

then what makes a group of people who terrorize other jews not terrorists?

is it because they are jews?

has in the history of judaism never been a group of jews who were terrorists

i think there were and is

#127 Comment By Anonymous On January 1, 2008 @ 11:05 pm

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
ter·ror·ist
–noun

1. a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.
2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others.
3. (formerly) a member of a political group in Russia aiming at the demoralization of the government by terror.
4. an agent or partisan of the revolutionary tribunal during the Reign of Terror in France.
–adjective 5. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of terrorism or terrorists: terrorist tactics.

[Origin: 1785–95; terror + -ist; cf. F terroriste]

American Heritage Dictionary
ter·ror·ist
n. One that engages in acts or an act of terrorism.

adj. Of or relating to terrorism.

ter’ror·is’tic adj.

wordnet:
terrorist

noun
a radical who employs terror as a political weapon; usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells; often uses religion as a cover for terrorist activities

Kernerman English Multilingual Dictionary (Beta Version)

ˈterrorist noun

a person who tries to frighten people or governments into doing what he/she wants by using or threatening violence
Example: The plane was hijacked by terrorists; (also adjective) terrorist activities.
If the shoe fits…

#128 Comment By Chillul HaShem On January 2, 2008 @ 3:07 pm

Will you people stop picking
on the Tzfatim! This is not
fair. Just because a few make
a Chillul HaShem, does that mean
they’re ALL like that?

I mean, would it be fair to castigate
all of Lubavitch for the Chillul HaShem
I MAKE, CH”V?!

Oy, Ribono Shel Olam, Selach Lanu.

#129 Comment By Anonymous On January 3, 2008 @ 12:50 pm

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing”.

Thank you Shomrim

#130 Comment By Shliach in a vaytike medine On January 3, 2008 @ 1:31 am

Wilshansky is just having a great EGO trip.

He creates and multiplies these storm troopers. I don’t care if he is a lamdon and incorporates Sichos in every shiur. The fact is … ship them out of the country.

And yes they are terrorists. Why can’t we simple Lubavitchers feel at home in 770? (I have to hold myself from using Nivel Peh when I think about it)

#131 Comment By Reb Levik On January 3, 2008 @ 1:25 am

Just send them to the Israeli Army.
Anyways many of them are in Crown Heights to avoid service.

It is very upsetting to come to 770 and see all these morons.

A Skverer bucher from Williamsburg told me that when he came to visit 770 they tried to make him say Yechi.

What a great way to spread Darkei Hachassidus.

It is simply embarrassing. I don’t crae that Yudl is old, just bring the NYPD in and pull down those stupid signs.

Perhaps then more normal people will daven in 770.

#132 Comment By Some1 Needs To Take A Stand On January 3, 2008 @ 11:18 am

WE as a community need to evict all the tzfatim from 1414 President Street in the confines of the 71st Precinct and 749 Eastern Parkway in the confines of the 77th Precinct.

Skbol need to be kicked out of the NYPD Auxiliary forces cause he is not here to protect us he is a convicted racist who steal from the community with his fake organization “shmira”, which need to be disband all of them arrested.

#133 Comment By They did it again. On January 6, 2008 @ 8:46 pm

Another one of these fights.
When is it going to stop.
Chayala have a great day.

#134 Comment By no name On January 24, 2008 @ 6:16 pm

cynic in Crown Heights wrote:
I don’t understand all these anti-Tsfatim comments.

YOU DON’T COUNT!

YOUR VOICE IS NOT HEARD! NO BODY CARES WHAT YOU THINK OR WANT!!!

GET IT??????

just save your breath & do what you have to do.

#135 Comment By noname On January 24, 2008 @ 6:15 pm

cynic in Crown Heights wrote:
I don’t understand all these anti-Tsfatim comments.

YOU DON’T COUNT!

YOUR VOICE IS NOT HEARD! NO BODY CARES WHAT YOU THINK OR WANT!!!

GET IT??????

just save your breath & do what you have to do.

#136 Comment By ad mosai ???? On January 29, 2008 @ 9:53 am

let’s just hope moshiach come’s then the tzfatim will be happy tooo we could make good use of moshiach anyway